tim geithner, and ben bernanke are the dentists. >> let me tell you. i felt like i was having a root canal. >> without anesthesia. >> i was a dentist having a root canal without anesthesia at the same time. but there's a saying in the book on -- my book "on the brink," and this was a day or two before we were going to need to step in and rescue citigroup. and what really hit me was that i was forever going to be associated with these bailouts, and it would be the secretary treasure that did all these interventions. i said that will be the good news. the bad news will be if we can't cobble something that works for citigroup and if it goes down i'll be the secretary treasurer that pre sides over night great recession. >> back with david gergen and