You may notice it looks a little different tonight. I am pleased to welcome cspan. While this is the very first time at hillwood, it is not the first time that our lectures are assessable to folks at home. Any of our fantastic programs are available on the Hillwood Museum youtube channel. So check that out in case you missed something or want to see something again. I know youontinue, know what im going to say next. Please be sure that you have silenced anything that chirps or barks or beeps. You may know that the hill word founder began her russian collection while she was posted insoviet era moscow in 1937 1938. Over the next 30 years, she was dedicated to building the most comprehensive collection of russian imperial art outside of russia. She realized as the collection passiont her personal could inspire and educate the public and made plans for hillwood to become a museum. Legatees legacies, public, and lush gardens, as well as a new biography, archery meriwether s the life behind the legacy and it inspired this years holiday decorations. I invite each of you to share hillwood with friends and family during the Holiday Season for what we are calling a very meriwether christmas. [applause] we will raise a glass to hill word members at the members open house on december 3. And of course the memberships are a perfect gift for everyone you know. To it is my great pleasure introduce douglas smith. He is an awardwinning historian, translator, author of rasputin and former people. His book seven translated into a dozen languages. The recipient of a guggenheim fellowship, he has written for the New York Times and the wall street journal and has appeared in documentaries with the bbc, National Geographic and netflix. Before becoming a historian, he worked for the u. S. State department and the soviet union and as a Russian Affairs analysts for Radio Free Europe radio liberty. He is a frequent test here at hillwood although it has been three years since his last lecture. I am delighted to have him back. I want to think especially international councilmembers and our dear friends. For hosting him this evening. Please join me in welcoming douglas smith. [applause] that nice introduction. It is wonderful to be back. I think of my self as a repeat offender but only in the best of sense. To also thank erin for putting this altogether with all her organizational skills. To cspan and richard for wanting to tape this tonight. I need to thank my local hosts, who are taking good care of me. Last night, maybe too good of care if i am a little incoherent, it is their fault. But it was a fun evening. And i want to thank you all for coming out tonight. Theres always a lot of demands on our time. I know disney is now streaming live. [laughter] so to come out and learn about a russian famine shows true dedication and intellectual curiosity. I applaud you for that. I think the plan is i will talk for about 30 minutes or so, and then happy to open it up to whatever questions people may have. I want to talk tonight about arguably one of the noblest acts in american history. Yet, sadly, something few of us seem to remember of ever having heard about a fact that could also be said about russia itself. At its heart, it is a story of charity and compassion, two things that i would say are always in short supply. And, it seems to me, in recent days in particularly short supply. On the 13th of july, 1921, the russian writer maxim gorky penned an appeal to the world titled to all honest people. He wrote gloomy days have come for the country of tolstoy, dostoevsky, mendeleev, pavlov, mussorgsky, glinka, and other worldprized men. There is a splendid opportunity to demonstrate the vitality of humanitarianism. I ask all honest european and American People for prompt aid to the russian people. Give bread and medicine. In 1921, one of the worst famines in World History descended on russia. 30 Million People, almost a quarter of the population across the vast territory, were facing starvation and death. There were several causes for the famine. In the shortterm, it was precipitated by two horrible droughts in 1920 and 1921 that decimated the harvest. But there were longer, in a sense more important, factors that led to the famine. There had been seven years in russia of unending war and revolution, beginning with 1914 and the start of world war i, when millions of peasants left the land to go off and fight, to 1917, where we had two revolutions in the span of one year. The collapse of the 300 year romanov dynasty in february followed by the bolshevik coup in november of 1917. The bolshevik seizure of power led to a civil war that lasted until 1920. Both the reds and the whites laid waste to the russian countryside and spread terror wherever they went. Lenin had long understood the connection between power and food. 30 years before, in 1891, a similar famine had gripped russia. Many in educated society at the time, led by the example of leo tolstoy, organized to offer help to the starving peasantry. But not lenin. Lenin did not believe in charity. He believed the only answer for russias working class and peasants was revolution. He said, at the time, the overthrow of the tsars monarchy, this bulwark of the landowners, is their only hope for some sort of decent life, for escape from hunger and unending poverty. Lenin was convinced hunger and misery could be used as a tool to undermine tsarist rule and lead to revolution. Now that lenin and the bolsheviks were in power, they waged a war on the peasants. They forced the peasants to hand over their grain at gunpoint. They needed the grain to feed the workers in the cities and the red army soldiers. The peasants, obviously, resisted. They hid their grain down the well or in fake walls in their cottages. They even created a peasant army to try to fight back. They also reduced the amount of land under cultivation. This meant that there was no cushion when the drought hit. There were no reserves anyone could fall back on. By march of 1921, lenin was terrified there was no food the state of the soviet itself may collapse. Without the support of the workers and the army, starving themselves as well, they would be no more interest in the bolshevik government. He said at the time, if there were a harvest, then everybody will hunger a little and the government will be saved. Otherwise, since we cannot take anything from people who do not have the means of satisfying their own hunger, the government will perish. Herbert hoover was born in west branch, iowa in 1874 into a family of quakers. Orphaned at the age of nine, he was sent off to live with an uncle in oregon. In 1891, he enrolled in the first class at Stanford University and, four years later, graduated with a degree in geology. By all accounts, he was an average student with average grades and left with average expectations. None of his fellow students and professors held out much hope for a Bright Future for Young Herbert hoover. He proved them wrong. He went off first to the gold mines of the australian outback, a place he described as pure hell, before moving on to china. Very quickly, he rose to the ranks in the International Mining business. He had a rare talent as an administrator and had a way of finding new opportunities that no one had seen before, of turning around failing operations and making a lot of money. By 1914, he was living in london with his family. He was now the head of his own International Firm with offices around the world. He was extremely wealthy and successful, but he was also getting bored. The fun had gone out of the game, if you will. World war i gave him an opportunity to try something new. After germany invaded belgium, starvation faced the entire country. Hoover realized somebody had to step in and try to save the country, so he created something known as the committee for the relief of belgium and ended up feeding millions of people during world war i and became known as the savior of belgium. In 1917, back in the United States, thenpresident Woodrow Wilson appointed him head of the u. S. Food administration, based on his success in belgium. Two years later in 1919, after the war, he pushed president wilson to create an Organization Called the American Relief administration, with an appropriation of 100 million in congress that would be used to feed warravaged europe. By 1921, hoover was now secretary of commerce in the warren g. Harding administration. It was as secretary of commerce in july 22 of that year that he read, in an american newspaper, a publication of maxim gorkys appeal to the world. He immediately cabled back that, yes, the americans would come. Not everybody was excited about the idea of American Relief to soviet russia, red russia. There was a good many people in the United States who argued against hoovers request for additional money for the ara to go to save starving people on the other side of the world. Some of the criticism came from the political left, who insisted that hoover, a wellknown antibolshevik, was not interested in aid but in coming up with a scheme for counterrevolution. They insisted the only way soviet russia could truly be helped was through official political recognition by the United States government. Most of the criticism, however, came from the right. Some insisted there was no real need to help russia. That what hoover was trying to do was get a stop to American Farmers who had produced too much grain and were looking for the government to buy it off their hands. Some insisted charity needed to begin at home. That we had enough poor, hungry people in the United States that we did not need to run off to russia. Henry ford put out his own spin on why we should not help and insisted that the ara, led by hoover, was a corrupt organization controlled by jews and bolsheviks. Others insisted that the russians were starving due to their own fault, their own incompetence, their own stupidity. That the best thing was to let the russian people starve, for this would then destroy bolshevism once and for all. Hoover batted back all of these arguments against doing something he said at the time, the soul object of relief should be humanity. It should have no other political objective or aim than the maintenance of life and order. He did agree that, in his idea, soviet russia was what he called a murderous tyranny. But felt the United States, nonetheless, had a humanitarian obligation. He also went on to say that, in a country like the United States, which, at that time, could spend 1 billion a year on things he described as tobacco and cosmetics, an additional 20 million to the ara would not be felt by anyone. Here is a photograph of one of the ara warehouses in new york city with american grain getting ready to be shipped overseas to russia. It was not just some voices in the United States wary of hoover and his intentions. The soviets were extremely concerned about what hoover may be up to. Lenin and the bolsheviks had lead a revolution to throw away to overthrow capitalism do , away with the old political order. And here they were contemplating letting one of the Great American capitalists into their country at their weakest moment. Some were convinced that the ara, led by hoover, was nothing but a trojan horse that would lead to the overthrow of their government. Lenin ordered strict surveillance over all americans preparing to come to russia. He tasked the cheka, the notorious secret police, later to be known as the kgb, to infiltrate the ara as soon as it arrived and placed agents inside. Nevertheless, he felt they had to agree to the terms americans put forward that without american help, they had little chance of survival. The First Americans arrived in moscow on the 27th of august, 1921. The first food shipment arrived in petrograd on the first of september. Five days after that, the first ara kitchen opened in petrograd. Four days after that, the First Kitchen opened in moscow in the hermitage restaurant, which had been a place for the wealthy and fashionable to dine before the revolution. This was arguably the most spectacular of all the ara feeding locations. This is the alexander palace outside of st. Petersburg, home of russias tsars. This was the last home for nicholas and alexandra and their children. This particular kitchen, at one point, was feeding 2,000 people a day. According to ara records, among the kitchen staff was one of tsar nicholas former chefs and various servants of the romanovs. The initial plan when the americans went over was to feed one million children. But they quickly realized that the scale of the famine was worse than anticipated. By december, they realize they would have to feed somewhere around 7 million. Frank golder, one of the americans sent over was the first to explore the famine zones. He wrote that the famine is beyond all imagination. It is the most heartbreaking situation ive ever seen. Millions of people are doomed to die, and they are looking it calmly in the face. To see russia makes one wish that he were dead. These are the kinds of things that he and the other americans were seeing when they arrived. This is a photograph of a Young Refugee at a refugee camp in the samara province, victims of the famine. This is something that weighed at americans, something they could never prepare themselves for. Golder remembers being disturbed by a scene he came upon in one village, where there was an old woman down in the dirt on all fours, fighting with pigs for a tiny scrap of pumpkin rind. He heard tales of mothers killing their children and then killing themselves, since it was too painful to watch their children starve. The worst places were the orphanages and childrens homes and hospitals. Some of these Children Homes were set up originally for no more than 30 kids and were now crammed with 400 to 500 orphan children. The conditions were beyond description. Typically, the children just laid in rags on the floor. One ara man said there is just enough food and heat to make their death a slow one. Around this time, another ara man wrote to his fiancee back in the United States i often think now how people in new york told me how they envied me the opportunity of seeing so many interesting things. Yes, interesting. that is the word. Yes, it is very interesting to move among people who come at a glance, tells you would be better off dead than alive. There is no escape, even in this railway car, for men and women come to the door begging for bread, and children can be heard wining underneath the car window whenever the light is showing. A great many of the men soon develop something they dubbed famine shock, sort of a new version of world war is shellshock. The starving peasants first ate whatever remaining grain they had. After that, they would kill and eat all of their livestock. Next, they hunted down and killed and ate every last dog or cat in the village. This was followed by trying to survive on grass, weeds, tree bark, and then the thatch off of their roofs. Finally, some succumbed to cannibalism. Sometimes, people murdered their victims after luring them into their homes. More commonly, they would raid cemeteries and dig up the freshly buried and bring them up to carve and eat. The problem became so pronounced that local authorities had to put the people who just died in stables and sheds, lock the door, and keep a guard outside. A young scholar, who later went on to become one of the famous sociologists of the 20th century and teach at harvard, toured the famine zone at the time, interested in studying what happens to people subjected to such conditions. He wrote in a memoir, not long after coming to the United States, revolution promised to save the people from despotism. The bolsheviks promised to feed everyone. If they did not keep those vows, at least they give the people the communion of human sacrifice, human flesh and blood. The image i am showing here is from a series of drawings and paintings done by a man we know almost nothing about but are now in the collection at the Hoover Institution out at Stanford University. The russian text on the bottom says russian village, 4 februarymarch. We know the year was 1922 that he did this. On the far right, it says russian for cannibalism. The russians have two words for cannibalism, one meaning people eating and one meaning corpse eating, lyudoyedstvo and kannibalizm. They made a distinction between the two. I did much of the research for this book at the Hoover Institution, since that is where the aras files, records, photographs ended up. One thing that was truly difficult for me researching it was to go through these hundreds of photographs taken by the americans by soviet officials of the famine and the acts of cannibalism, which were recorded. They are horribly disturbing images. I struggled a lot to find the right balance in a way that will convey the real depth of this horror and suffering without, in any way, trying to sensationalize it. Thus for my talk i am giving around the states now, i purposely avoided any of the photographs of this and went instead with this particular image. But from the very beginning, the americans realized the famine was much worse than they had ever imagined it would be. You will sometimes hear about this famine as the volga famine, the volga river famine, but that is entirely wrong it was much broader, much more widespread. It covered Something Like one million square miles of territory at its peak. This is a map the ara made. Here is moscow up here. The shaded areas show you all of the extent of the famine and where americans were working. It extended all through ukraine, which had a population of 26 million, 9 million of whom were starving. The americans worked there. They also worked all the way down in the caucasus and all the way deep into the Ural Mountains as well. It was way beyond the limits that we sometimes think of. Now the size of the famine made it and a enormous challenge to try to deal with. But there were other challenges as well. One of them was the mere fact of the number of people that needed help. At its peak, you had about 200 american men working the famine in russia. Obviously, they could only do so much. So they put together an army, literally, of russian employees, who worked under them. This network of russians who worked for the ara and eventually reached 125,000 people. And none of this work could have been done without the russians. So while it was American Relief that was orchestrating it all, much of the work was done by the russians themselves. Transportation, as you can imagine, over one million square miles was one of the biggest headaches. The Railroad Network had been destroyed as a result of the civil war. Much of it was no longer simply working. The rail lines that were working were equally attacked by bandits and thieves. And they did not reach out into the most remote villages, where much of this aid was desperately needed. And a great many of you know russia is not famous for its network of paved roads. So much of the year, especially in the spring, where you have the muddy season, where villages become almost isolated islands, it was extremely difficult to get aid and food out to these people. This is an example of one of these aid caravans. Winter was, in fact, the best time, because you could move on sleds over the ice and snow. Typically preferred horses, but there were times when they had to rely on camels. This was a photograph taken of one of these convoys taking food. The americans had arrived, as you would expect americans to do, with a fleet of cadillacs, fords, and some trucks. But beyond petrograd and moscow, these were not a great deal of help. Life in most russian towns was pretty grim in 1921, after revolution and civil war. The Living Conditions were harsh, rustic at best. This is the main street of the city of kazan in early may of 1922. It gives you a sense of the mud and what life looks like, what cities and towns looked like at the time. It was not just that they were uncomfortable, they were incredibly dangerous as well. All of the ara men got guns quickly after they arrived, some sort of pistol or revolver. And whenever they would leave their personnel house, leave offices at night to go back to the personal houses, they would typically go down the middle of the road so they would have a bit of time to see if someone was running at them to try to rob them. There were repeated attempted burglaries of the aras personnel houses. For example, one night, the men were wakened by the sound of marauders coming in with their guns drawn. The americans jumped out of their beds with their guns, there was a gun battle, and they chased them off. There was another group who woke up in the middle of the night and smell the smoke to realize someone was trying to burn their house down around them. In addition to this, they were constantly being monitored and surveilled by the cheka, the secret police, who watched their every step and also tried to force the russian employees to spy on the americans. But the greatest threat of all was typhus. It was the disease so Many Americans lived in fear of. The disease was so widespread, it was in the Railway Carriage upholstry. It was on fleas, on walls. The ara men, when they went to wouldphanages, desperately want to pick up the children or pat them on the head, but they were afraid of doing so in fear of getting bitten and coming down typhus. The russian couriers, who had to come and bring supplies to the americans, suffered the most. At some point, Something Like half of all russian couriers ended up in the hospital with typhus. Mission creep quickly took over the area. The ara. The americans realize that, while food was vital, they needed to do more to try to save russia. The country had been hit not only by typhus but by other infectious diseases. There was cholera, smallpox, malaria. The americans went out to try to literally fix much of the completely ravaged medical system. They went into hospitals, which now no longer even had aspirin bandages were being wrapped in old newspapers. So they brought supplies. They imported millions of dollars worth of vaccines and drugs, blankets, disinfectants. They set up free dental clinics. They outfitted a large hospital train that went from town to town offering free medical care. They installed Water Purification systems in a number of cities to try to reduce the rates of cholera. That was just one such clinic there, of children being inoculated in petrograd. You saw earlier a photograph of the poor little children in their rags. The ara helped import roughly half a Million Pounds of shoes and clothing from the United States to give to young russian children. This is an example here in odessa of three little children with their new shoes from the ara. The leather looks so new and stiff it must have been painful to walk in. But i am sure they were happy. I am sure they were glad to have them. And the clothing was made from repurposed sacks of grain, sewn into pants and dresses and tunics. They also created special programs to help russias intellectuals, artists, and theater performers. They created special feeding operations. They brought in literally 28,000 pounds of the latest scientific literature for various specialties, biology, physiology, physics. It is hard to imagine, but russias intellectual thoughts intellectual class had been cut off from all of the intellectual work done outside of russia since 1917. They were starving for information that pertained to the latest research. So the ara helped make that possible. They gave free subscriptions to medical journals to a number of russian universities. Obviously, i am sure many of you recognize who we have here, ivan pavlov, Nobel Laureate with one of his famous dogs, being visited by a group of ara men who had brought him things for his laboratory in petrograd. The ara would take refugees who had fled in search of food and, in return for payment in american corn, they would organize them into work gates, and they would send them out to fix destroyed bridges, repair schools, buildings. They went out and installed drinking fountains that had not existed before. They dug wells and did a number of work to try to, in some way, begin to restore the utterly devastated infrastructure. As you can imagine, this was grueling work for the men of the ara who, at times, felt like they did nothing but work. But of course, one needs a little r r, one needs time to let their hair down and relax. Those in the bigger cities were able to go to the theater, to the opera and ballet. In the summer, they would picnic at the estates of the former nobility, go for boat rides. Some even went skinnydipping in the moscow river, not far from the kremlin. And they played baseball. This is a game of some americans stationed in the city of simbirsk having a little baseball game here they brought their bats, their ball, a couple mitts. There is a russian over here watching, probably thinking what in the world are they doing . On the fourth of july in 1922, they had a series of these baseball games organized as a way of marking independence day. There was a good deal of partying. They had their victrolas with them. They had some photograph records with them. They would invite young russian women, often from the theater, ballet dancers, to party with them in their personnel houses. There was a good deal of foxtrotting, dancing. The most famous party happened in moscow in thanksgiving of 1921, when the Star Attraction was Isadora Duncan who danced for all the men, apparently, it got quite rowdy, from all written accounts. There was also a great deal of drinking, as you may imagine. The soviet officials americans interacted with loved trying to drink americans under the table. This was not fine wine or some thing like that. This is what the russians called russian moonshine. One of the area men recalled being given a cup of the stuff to drink. He said it looked like water but smelled like a mixture of gin, three and one oil, and kerosene. He was too polite to refuse, though. He drank it down but come after that didnt dare light his pipe for several minutes. [laughter] and there was a good deal of romance. The americans went over mostly young men in their 20s, a lot of them veterans of world war i. They did not speak a word of russian, for the most part, so they had to hire a lot of translators and interpreters and others to work in their offices. Many of these were young women from the former educated classes of tsarist russia. Some of them were daughters of the old russian nobility, the former people, if you will. We do not know how many affairs there were, but there were Something Like 30 marriages between the americans americans and the russian women, who became known as famine brides. One involved this particular woman, and this is a portrait done by a fairly wellknown russian artist from 1922. She was another one of these former people from a noble family in st. Petersburg, who had lost everything in the revolution. She had been reduced to selling matches on the streets to support her and her mother. She had been educated all over europe and spoke fluent english and french and was hired by the ara in petrograd to work in their office there. And it was in that office that a man by the name of j. Rives childs saw georgina, and it was love at first sight at least for him. I am not so sure about georgina. Here is a picture of childs on the far right in the dark suit and hat in the right. He was from lynchburg, virginia. He went on to harvard and then fought in france in world war i. Like many of the men who signed up for the ara, he went partially out of the desire for adventure. He found the United States too boring after the war. He also had dreams of becoming a writer and thought the experience fighting the famine would provide him with a lot of great cereal. He was also a man motivated by a sense of service to humanity. He had a certain sympathy for the revolution itself. He was a committed socialist. He voted in the 1920 president ial election. And reading his letters back onto his mother and father and his diaries and things, i became convinced he was sort of the idealist, if you will, of my history. When i was trying to figure out how i was going to tell the story of the ara and the famine and tell it in a way that would be engaging and would bring people to life, i realize that, to discuss large groups of people, 30 Million People starving, or an entire village, it is hard to connect that sort of thing. It becomes almost an abstraction. I wanted to find several of these ara men who had left behind letters and diaries and memoirs and things, who would allow me to tell the story through their experiences. One of them i came up with was childs. And i should say, too, they are all men, not for my own failing, but the ara did not hire any women, because they thought it would be too dangerous for them. I would have included women if i could. But childs was an idealist. I then found my realist in a man i mentioned earlier, frank golder. He was born in russia to a jewish fmaily. His family fled russia due to the pogroms to the United States. Later converted to christianity. He got a phd in harvard and then taught for a couple of years at Washington State university that line got a big applause when i talked in seattle. Not on this coast, i guess. [laughter] then moved on to Stanford University. I found my cynic and a man by the name of William Kelley from kentucky, also went to harvard for some reason, all of my stars went to harvard. Fought in world war i as well. Later became a new york ad executive. He was one of these people who went over without any great idealism, without any romanticism, and quickly soured on the whole experience of famine fighting. He wrote these letters to friends and his fiancee back home that are just dripping with sardonic and cynical and, at times, tasteless comments. But i thought this was a good contrast with the idealism of someone like childs. And then i have a romantic in harold fleming, again a harvard man, studied economics. He went over thinking it would be a great adventure as well. But the first few months, he found miserable in moscow. He regretted having come, told his mother and father in his letters he really wished he could get back the United States soon. And then he hired paulina, a russian language tutor, and, all of a sudden, things changed, he never wanted to go back to the United States and had a series of romances. Even after he left russia kept wishing he could go back and meet up with paulina and the others. So these are my four characters i used to tell the story. Back to childs. Here is a photograph of childs, in the middle outside of a student feeding hall, dining hall number two in kazan with one of the trucks, surplus trucks, that the ara brought with them. Childs arrived in russia in september of 21 and was sent to the city of kazan to work in the tatar republic. 4. 5 Million People spread out over 96,000 square miles. And he worked like a dog, practically day and night. Most of the russians, it should be said, worked equally hard. I did find a couple instances where the russians did not really care for American Work habits. There was one russian man, who when told they started work at the area office five days a week at 9 00 a. M. , responded, ah, yes, this is how the capitalists exploit us. [laughter] he did not last long. Childs practically gave his life to fighting this famine. He came down with typhus and, for several days, lingered close to death. He was forced to go to germany to recuperate for a while. But even after that, he couldnt wait to go back russia, to kazan. He wrote his mother from the hospital in germany i am so anxious to get back to kazan. The russian experience is the richest ive ever had. I would not take anything for it. Much of this, i think, had to do with georgina. He had heard transferred from petrograd to kazan. Later that summer, they went back to petrograd and were married in saint isaacs cathedral. Later, the two of them left russia together. In two years, from 1921 to 1923, the ara carried out the greatest humanitarian relief effort in history, at that time. The numbers are amazing. 11 Million People were being fed a day at the peak of the operation. They work in 28,000 cities, towns, and villages. They shipped one million tons of food, seed clothing, and medicine. They distributed medical supplies to 15,000 hospitals. They inoculated 10 Million People against infectious diseases. Nevertheless, best estimates would be roughly 6 Million People died as a result of the famine. But the americans did manage to save well over 10 million lives. And what is more, the ara gave the russian people hope, which they had not had before. This is an amazing letter that i found at the Hoover Institution archives that was written by some women to the men of the ara. The archive has a lot of these, many of them are beautifully illustrated like this one. You see at the top, the new york city skyline the statue of liberty and the american aid ship dropping these life rings with ara on them down into the bloody sea. This one was written in the crimea on march 14, 1923. It reads at the top we, the woman and mothers, overflowing with fervent gratitude extend to you our sincere thanks for the health and concern you have extended to our children at this trying time. Tears of emotion pour from our eyes at the sight of how our childrens faces, that were pale and exhausted, are once again fresh and healthy thanks to the fraternal help of the americans. Our children are happy. We mothers are joyous and have for the future. May the hearts that made this possible be forever blessed and made the hand that gives always be full. This is one of my favorite photos that i found. This is again that hermitage restaurant in moscow that had been turned into an ara kitchen. Four girls having their lunch in march of 1922. On the 20th of july, 1923, the ara closed up its operations for good in moscow and the americans went home. A little bit before this, gorky wrote a letter to hoover in which he said, in all the history of human suffering, i know of nothing more trying to the souls of men than the events through which the russian people are passing. And in the history of humanitarian, i know of no accomplishment which, in terms of magnitude and generosity, can compare to the relief you gave. Relief that you have accomplished. The generosity resuscitate dream of fraternity in a time when humanity greatly Needs Charity and compassion. Your help will be inscribed in history as a unique and giant accomplishment worthy of the greatest glory and will long remain in the memory of millions of russian children whom you have saved from death. Gorky was right. In 1975, a halfcentury after the end of Americas Mission to russia, j. Rives childs returned to the soviet union. He was an old man, now in his mid80s. He had spent his life working for the state department throughout the world, including serving as ambassador to saudi arabia and ethiopia. He had stayed married to georgina until her death in 1964. When he arrived in the soviet union, he told one of the officials there that he had been a member of the American Relief administration. With that, the mans eyes widened, his face lit up, and he whispered with reference, ara. [laughter] many russians, at that time, still remembered and were still grateful for americas charity and compassion. Thank you. [applause] so i am happy to take any questions that people may have. In the back . How did you come to get started on this particular issue . Douglas how did i come up with this idea for the book . I have a folder at home in my study titled book ideas. [laughter] most of them are pretty bad. I wrote an earlier book called former people, the story of what happened to the russian nobility after 1917. And i focused on a few families. And in reading their letters and other personal papers from the early 1920s, i was reading about some of these young women from these once prominent aristocratic families who had lost everything who had heard that the americans had come to town and were hiring people who could work as interpreters and translators for them. And then i started to read about these women getting jobs with the ara, having great experiences working for them and all that kind of thing. And i thought this is a great story i know nothing about this. I have spent my whole life studying russia, i do not know why i do not know about this. So i filed that away for a future book project, and, in fact, when i came back to it, i was toying with the idea of trying to do it as fiction. And i had this elaborate plot i had put together and interesting characters at least i thought interesting characters and then i got cold feet. I was not sure i had the writing skills to pull off fiction. But even more importantly, by now, realizing the facts of the famine, i knew that if i had put all of this stuff into a novel, people would not believe it or they would be thinking i am exaggerating for dramatic effect. I said is has to be written as a work of nonfiction. Speaking from personal ignorance, my impression of herbert, as the president , is not the same Herbert Hoover who did this act of charity. Is that a false impression . Douglas yeah, hoovers reputation and who he was as a man i know he worked for the commerce [indiscernible] for socialism. Douglas yeah. I mean, before the depression, which would destroy his reputation, he was known as the worlds greatest humanitarian. Through his works in belgium, for example, then his work throughout europe after world war i, and then his work with the ara in russia. His reputation is destroyed as a result of his presidency. And then, also, throughout the period of the cold war, we americans did not want to be reminded about times when we worked alongside the soviets so much. I think there was an element of that. That being said, hoover did some things that were not so good. And i write about those in my book. One of the things that helped launch him into the presidency was a horrible flood in the lower reaches of the mississippi in the late 1920s, and hoover was put in charge of those relief operations, and he basically saw that all the aid went to poor white folk and very little or none went to poor black folk. Not only that, poor black folk were put in camps and forced to do rebuilding under armed guards for nothing. And he was ok with that. Later, during the depression, if he did not order it, he okayed his administrations kicking Something Like 750,000 people of mexican descent out of the country, forcing them to go south of the border to mexico, a great many of them american citizens of mexican descent, the idea being we need jobs for real americans. I do not want to make him a saint, he wasnt, but he did do some truly remarkable things. This is fascinating. How did the soviets handle this history . Was there any attempt i certainly have never heard of it either. Was there any attempt to talk about it . Was it erased from the history books . Douglas i talk a lot about that in my book about what happens the minute the americans leave. There is a huge banquet that the soviet government throws for the americans in moscow in july, right before they take off. Memorial plaques about eternal gratitude and that kind of thing. As soon as the americans are over the border, the russians do everything they can to remove any trace that the americans had ever been there. They had been a Herbert Hoover memorial highway. That was quickly renamed. There had been a memorial hospitals named after americans. Those were renamed. Many other people in russia who had worked for the americans were arrested as spies. In fact, some were still being arrested after world war ii for having worked for the americans. The whole operation, when it was discussed, was discussed as it was a plot by hoover to overthrow the soviet government, but the vigilance of the cheka had saved the soviet government from the nefarious deeds of Herbert Hoover. And then it was basically forgotten. I was in moscow in september, and i was walking along, and i remembered that the aras main offices were on that street. I knew what the building looked like. Sure enough, there was the building. I had this idea of getting a poster made that said, in russian, you know who lived and worked here . My russian friend said that probably was not a great idea. I am hoping the book will come out in russia. All of my books have come out all of my books have been published there. I am talking with my publisher. I have yet to hear if it will or not. I hope so. You alluded to this a little bit, but can you talk more about how or why this story was not known here in the u. S. . In russia, maybe, it is more understandable, but it sounds like people did not really know about it here either. Douglas i think, again, as i i kind of mentioned before, it is so much a story about Herbert Hoover, and with the depression, his inability to get the country out of the depression, he leaves office, in the early 1930s, his reputation is basically destroyed. Maybe he was not always the best publicist for himself, in making sure that people remembered the things that he had done before he was president. And i think, again i grew up a child of the cold war. I do not think, in school, we really wanted to focus on moments where america and the soviet union had worked together. So i think, for the sorts of reasons, it was kind of forgotten. Yes . I seem to remember my mother working for russian war relief after the second world war, collecting money and clothing and so on. Am i remembering incorrectly . Was not also i think it was part of the effort at that time. Douglas there might have been. I do not know. Obviously, we did a lot for the russians during world war ii, lend lease shipped huge amounts of food and clothing to the soviet union to keep them going in the fight against nazi germany. I am not an expert on that. There may have been some things. People bring up i heard about the famine in ukraine in the 1930s, why have i not heard about this . Obviously, that famine under stalin, no International Help was forthcoming because no one is going to get into the country because they did not want it coming in. But i have a friend who still has a lend lease blanket from his grandfather and they keep as a relic of good times when relations may be or better. I dont know. Yes, over here . Just before the 1920s, there was mass insurgents of the russian army. Do asat have anything to a catalyst to get this to start . Douglas to get the relief started or the famine . The breakdown. Douglas it is hard for us to imagine. What russia went through from the beginning of over one to the beginning of world war i to the middle of 1920 was the apocalypse, basically. The country is utterly destroyed due to revolution and war. And there is mass desertion often among some of these red army soldiers. A lot of them were going to these peasant armies, who were then taking their guns and fighting against the red soldiers, who were terrorizing the russian countryside. It is not like there is a front line. In our civil war, there is the north and there is the south and there is a front line. In the russian civil war, it is chaos going all over the place. Yeah, exactly. Is there any relation to the collectivization in agriculture that followed shortly . Or it just happened . Douglas in some ways, there may be a slight connection, only in the fact that early after the bolsheviks seized power, the reds begin to requisition grain from the peasants. They basically go out and take the grain. This practice is stopped in 1921, when they have a retreat from these extreme measures, and you get the beginning of whats called n. E. P. , economic policy, and they can keep their grain and pay tax on it. Stalin, in a way, you could say, starts the revolution all over again, both in the cities and in the countryside, and that peasants are now forced into collective farms and are put under much tighter control. That was obviously a factor in the famine that breaks out in the early 1930s. There is also a National Component to that. The reason we know so much about the famine in the 1930s is because much of it was centered in ukraine, and the Ukrainian Community outside of russia has done a very good job about writing about this famine, documenting what happened. So that famine is much better known, even though no americans or foreigners really were there to win this much of it. To witness much of it. I am getting a signal one more question. Who has not asked a question . Yes . People recruited to go to russia . Where did these americans come from . Douglas they came from all over the country. Most of them were men in their 20s. A good many of them had served in world war i. Some of them were rhodes scholars over in england at the time. So the ara really gets going before the russian famine, when it started to do work in europe after world war i. I think word spread about these American Relief efforts. And for young men, so much of the reason men went over was they wanted an adventure. You know, they had had these experiences, many of them, and in world warhem, i. For many of them, it was this amazing thing which is hard to imagine. And they went back home to i do not know, i am from minnesota. And they thought, god, this is boring and they wanted excitement. This is something fascinating, because the russians couldnt even begin to wrap their minds around that fact. That these were people who live in a country that was so boring that they wanted to go off to these warravaged places. The americans would say, i come for adventure, and they would be like, please, can we have a little less adventure . They had enough adventure for several centuries in those periods from 1914 to 1923. Anyway, i want to end it there, but thank you all very much. [applause] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] [indistinct conversations] history tvamerican on cspan three, where each weekend we feature 48 hours of programming exploring our nations past. Next on the presidency, make a discussion of congressional oversight over president misconduct. Professor jeremi suri and professor Kathryn Brownell talk about the impeachment, including current proceedings against president trump. The National History Center Hosted this event for members of congress, and their staff. Ok, shall we get started . Thank you for attending. A very timely events on a timely day. 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