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Chicago and then and the democrats socialist publication is the quarterly imprint we support their work in the Event Description on youtube and please subscribe to our Youtube Channel which will allow the video to reach more people than the author of several books are presented as obsolete and freedom is a constant struggle and of all Political Prisoners at the university of california santa cruz. As being grounded in the work as an organizer she cofounded the debt collectors and coauthored the new manifesto with the case for economic disobedience so how does this come about . More than one year ago a class for scholarship and activism and we wanted to hear her thoughts on the film to Exchange Ideas but im sure we will reach others tonight. So first, what is democracy and how has that manifested for good and bad and what is the difference of potential that borrows the name altogether different purposes . Her film captures the questions from the activist perspective. The second topic is what type of activism will it take to bring about our democracy and in particular with different groups of people that work together. I had the privilege of knowing angela davis over some time and reasons to be a part the main reason is because of her remarkable lecture she gave which was entitled legacy and activism. Probably gave the most inspiring and heartfelt and uplifting talk about precisely the idea of working together different generations and different types of people for a common purpose because the pandemic struck we cannot have it in person and we were looking for a sponsor that i have a coming up on haymarket and they generously offered to take up the sponsorship and produce the show so my heart goes out to them going into the topic thank you for being here so now i will handed over. Thank you so much also our host haymarket books and i want to acknowledge you david and thank you for visiting this event and sticking with it despite all of the disruptions over the last eight months is a huge honor to be speaking to angela davis and Everybody Knows why she is brilliant and engaged and embodies the title of the book is a constant struggle for gives us meaning and pleasure so thank you for being here the theme is democracy i do know is like the word democracy with the war on terror and george w. Bush saying he was bringing democracy to the middle east shaped my perception i was uninterested it sounded hollow when the liberation and combination and regulation on revolutionizing but democracy and i began to rethink and 2011 from the arab spring to occupy a wall street and then to say so now almost ten years later it is a concept that we struggle with it is a hard word to define it is radical and thats why the powerful have tried to coopt that there are a lot of ways to define democracy each raises questions and conundrums and a paradox thats what i write about in my book are broken down into its parts the people have power and to endlessly struggle over how we defined the people and hold that power its always open for debate and conversation and expansion another way to define democracy that was a very subtle definition they ruled on many and many by definition are not rich so that is the class component the oligarchy is ruling of the few so just a warning we will not spend a lot of time on the election i endorse the advice she has given voting for a candidate we love versus an adversary without political terrain i would rather fight centrist and reaction he reactionary so this limited conception so we will show the two minute clip from my film what is democracy and i wanted to hear from everyone from politicians to refugees with those philosophical subjects and get their thoughts i would is in miami and some of my friends that began to sponsor angelas talk so after the clip would love you to take up some of the themes and pick up on this democracy which is the title of another one of your books and what that means in the context of a bigger protocol crisis of the unprecedented protest of the pandemic that has led to the death of over 200,000 people in this country most of which are preventable and the consequence. And that drives the current administration. I havent been to miami in a long time. I was running from the fbi the first time. [laughter] [applause] the system cannot be fixed. [applause] that the problems we are confronting is the consequence that slavery was never fully abolished. That would not simply be the dismantling of the institution but rather the creation of new conditions , new institutions, new democracy. That the democracy will familiar with could not be the same as a began to participate on the basis of the quality has to be a very different democracy. So the challenge of the end of the 19th century but the challenge of the 20th century and it remains the challenge of the 21st century. That was 2015. Yes. I think we can learn a great deal from w eb the boys. First of all it is not a unitary term its not the same across the states and too often we think of democracy as one thing will of the people will of the majority and it tends to assume and imply and inside and outside. There for so many struggle those who have been marginalized into the existing democracy into the fold. And that is where we make many mistakes and w eb to boys emphasizes abolitionist during that period to argue the democracy could not remain the same with those who had been previously enslaved. The democracy itself would have to be transformed and new institutions and a way to guarantee that it could respond to the need of the people for so many decades. Think of democracy as a unitary concept and unchangeable and simply to bring more and more of the marginalized population into the democracy we fail to recognize the very structure of that democracy has created the marginalization in the first place and by simply including and this is a critique of the strategies , and these days the assumption that any institution that wants to join the office of diversity and inclusion. And those that were previously marginalized a very little attention to the concept to transform and change and render the actual structure that was responsible for the marginalization. We have a great deal to learn from w. E. B dubois that was never fulfilled in the aftermath of the negative evolution and the way in the which the institution itself is prohibited. And in the year 2020 basically the same issue writing about with black reconstruction that now that it seems to me that should have happened 150 years ago. It makes me think of the quote to be integrated into a Burning House or something to that effect. If its a sinking ship to bring down the Burning House and those to be very literal right now in some places. This is exactly what we are wrestling with right now there is tension. With the system and then to keep the guy on the horizon. And with the political system we are operating in. And to the exclusion and men with out property and we could the talk about why they are so averse to democracy interested in minority rights of the slaveholders that they still constrain us and that is frustrating. And all the ways the Current System is undemocratic from the Supreme Court it goes on and on. And working towards the abolitionist horizon and then to be aware and we see all sorts of attempts of what civil rights people have in a basic way and in North Carolina and the disenfranchisement and the public voted and the public voted and then to keep all of those levels in mind but that conservatives in terms of elections or political systems but to alter the rules of the game that is progressive and liberals have been after but rewriting the actual rules. And then we are frustrated by president ial elections and then to transform the system. And then to simply look at democracy as a form of political rule. To exclude a whole range of issues regarding democracy. In this method of the us on the first democracy with so much attention as we pointed out in the beginning called the democracy of the minority that should be an oxymoron but what is interesting is democracy what were the economic democracy entail . What about the social dimension . And how has that changed in relation to the Economic System that comments to tuition of that democracy . And i think its important to reclaim that specificity and that we are accustomed to and to guarantee from the middle classes. And in relation to the fuel system. What it would be like to imagine and a democracy in which that they got to participate on the basis of the quality economically, culturally, sociay and politically. And with that nice definition of democracy in that way and we argue that everyone for example in a particular region should be considered a citizen and to participate in the governing and the economy what does that mean cracks. And this gets to what i was wanting to think about next so the two things i guess that i would notice going around and interviewing people that i expected them to tell me how capitalism was democratic to use that rhetoric of democracy after donald trump won the election to acknowledge they would never win majority so that democracy is bad and then forget the 20th century we will take the capitalism part and the selfconsciously elite and a lot of prominent republicans of tweeted anyway. With the american tradition to be anti democratic. On the other side people realize and to have the economic equality and to have liberal rights and freedoms we dont even have them because there is so much inequality so what you were getting at is that is true with a different Economic System that would violate to think about under the officials the rich democratic conundrums we have these problems but how do we share power or live in a world and also to have control over their lives how do we decide . Of the democratic questions would be more richer and profound. I have been questioning if the outcome of the last election might have been different if more attention had been paid to those who experience the impact of global capitalism with for white families who recognize that their children will not be better off. With those develop strategies that so many of those existing problems in the country with the rise and the spread of global capitalism. And that we use to have more than we have today. Used to be it has not been privatized and with the covid19 pandemic has such a state of emergency. With respect to hospital beds because they are not well. So as one looks at the impact of global capitalism and the way it is very much and explanation for the prison industrial complex. Where so many institutions use it as the economic safety net the increasing privatization of healthcare. And with more institutions devoted to the public good and then to create a terrain that has expanded not only communities of color, but also among white people. And the current occupant of the white house called upon those that were suffering the impact of global capitalism to return to another era in which the industrialized economy responded to the needs of people. And those jobs all over the world those jobs that will not return so it is important that Economic Transformation has an impact on the possibility for democracy. Yes looking at the 2016 election people were very frustrated and they felt utterly hopeless for good reason. But one problem is that this is another question i wanted to as ask, the history of the attacks on the left to undermine democracy. So it speaks we you were just laying out. The lack of Association People can get an education and thinking as active participants and the economy and through this pandemic with the haymarket generation like the red scare i dont need to tell you about that in the sixties and certainly heating up with this administration and the way the Trump Administration and talks about socialism and to the rights or the left and american democracy as we know it. And those contemporary efforts. And the current occupant and that current democratic president ial candidate i wont comment on that but i do think to recognize the role socialist and communist have made and struggled for democracy in this country, i know that for decades there are ways those that were involved that are struggling referred to as the other america. And then there was a union and the struggles against sexism. And that reading a lot of history recently precisely the roles that communist and to expand the possibility in the country. And those in the 1930s. And the role that black communists played in the south that would eventually came to be known as the civil rights movement. And those that are eradicated with that representation of history. And as we are engaging in a racial reckoning the terminology not just a racial reckoning with the history of this country with a history of racism and exploitation and if we are not aware of those who struggle created a democracy as an aspirational notion not as a given set of affairs but simply our way government is organized for a more equal society than we have nowhere to start and then to have the struggles unfold. And the idea to have a communist to be the best president is the history of expanding democracy not something to run away from. So i can relate to that. [laughter] i recommend this is a way to spend ones time i thought i knew that i realized i didnt. How about reflecting on the connection between incarceration and democracy . And with that prison abolition and that where the fact of disenfranchisement in florida thats what happened in 2000 we hear about how the left lost that election we make a much more compelling case it is bigger thing and de tocqueville democracy in america is a foundational relationship of liberal democracy. And you said on the talk but it required as evidence of existence of those two phases of american and freedom and the fact that american and democratic freedom on the domination. On the African People is a have noted have been with conclusion and exploitation so i only know im free if youre not free is that intrinsic to democracy or such as the version we are living in . Where we have a prison abolition at the center of this democratic horizon that we talk about . And he speculates that western democracy as we know it must have revolved from a yearning of the enslaved to be free. The very concept of freedom that we work with in many ways in order to explain and certainly as you pointed out to vote for those who were not enslaved. How do i know i am free . Because i am not a slave. But of course the emergence of president s as punishment with the rise of the revolutionary ideals and that punishment is the underbelly of democracy. And its not conceivable as a matter of fact you need capitalist democracy in order to imagine what the imprisonment entails it entails the divestment of race and it makes no sense in a society that does not recognize individual rights and this is and the terms of people in prisons incarcerated is like china and india cannot even begin to approach the people who are incarcerated. So its important to keep in mind that nagy nation of democracy thats the whole point of my constituents and therefore it has to be denied i was moved by so much of this young man and florida who recently was released and i was so moved by the way in which he talked about indication and this is moving into another area very casually said it used to be that my people could be killed to learn how to read and write and i was struck by that because we are encouraged to think of the human life span for what we do and just very casually talked about the people during slavery as if he could smell them and touch them and those that had the extent of which the capitalist democracy that imprisoned temporality and the relationship to the future is so restrained by the existing forms of democracy and if we are to imagine the new rules we have to generate new temporality. I love that so much. One of the wisest people in the film for that question is interesting i was thinking of bringing it up now that you have we really asked the question of the relationship and what i think oppression in the past has a heavy hand of the Founding Fathers with her hand reaching out from beyond the grave really with a handful of men and that i think in my book i talk about to say tradition is honoring the dead we cannot go against these esteemed men but we can expand democracy but also to include future generations and make their presence comparable not to protect those unborn fetuses that there is a planet for where those who dont yet have a vote so time is interesting to me and that we do have to think about so i will say inherited wealth that accumulation of wealth from bygone generations to way down on us today so the whole question is fascinating. Democracy has to be feminist for sure on the idea of abolition and feminism we need to think of democracy that political sphere of the education and economy and relationship and even ourselves. Those that thought about social reproduction or day care for each other in our society so with that democratic issue we find ourselves with the attention of vulnerability and disability is something to be mocked like toxic masculinity editors you want to be compassionate and wear a mask and then the importance of care. The big question. I would begin by arguing that feminism should be much more capacious than it visually is we assume when the subject turns to feminism that there is an agenda but that approach is so much better than simply engaging and gender and to think of crenshaws term intersection only we learn how to give expression to different connections and whether they have to do with gender or not and abolition and feminism to think about what might be required to move in a democratic direction to say what might we need to dismantle for Police Departments and prisons . But also, how we think differently about those struggles. So how do we think differently of gender violence so if we did not have to assume those institutions of policing and imprisonment were not there to pretend to solve the problem then we would have to take a much more complex approach and this is what i appreciate about feminism that makes a steel and a messy world that social realities dont always reflect the analytical category and we have to be willing to try to begin to approximate the messiness the social reality. And so that means when we say abolishment and abolish the prisons forecast into the depth of history so how do we address the problems they pretended to address but could not . And also to address maybe it is always political and then to say in conversations with you the personal is not political in a way that allows us to equate and luckily often assumed to be ideas generated by our own individuality they are ideologies so feminist approach would argue we cannot have her achieve evolution without also recognizing we might have to adopt critical failings to our own emotions or ideas that we pursue that the idea of the states working through ourselves so this feminist insight is absolutely essential when it comes to reimagining a democracy more egalitarian and justice for all. And the abolition of prisons has the building of institutions of care and repair and in that sense to address our emotional needs and treating people in a different way but there is a lot of care work to do repairing the damage of the system. And that has been incorporated which is an instance that allows us to see an impact of feminism and its one of those terms like democracy people think they know exactly what feminism means but im talking about the kind that is antiracist , we will have to call the usual all white feminism. And it as and orientation and asking questions but capriciousness. But the lateral horizon talk about nonhuman animals. This pandemic has made me feel that we have an urgent to bring the issue up. Because covid19 is not a natural disaster. Its as erotic illness and a jump to species because we are devouring the natural world. And the Chinese Government for example encourage thousands of farmers to hunt wild game because they can no longer compete with the big agribusiness. And then to compete and then the next pandemic will be emerge from an american in farm whether avian flu because be cram hundreds of thousands of animals into small spaces. Striking to me donald trump at the defense production time one time to keep up that meat production plants they are very underpaid and that was driven by greed protecting the industry its becoming clear and then the time at consul one climate consequences. I wrote a piece with the disability rights activist to call upon us with solidarity upon the species that at the ideological reasons so i think socialist really ask what entitles us to treat animals as things and so it is very utopian to think about nonhuman life and Democratic Politics but i think we should treat it as our lives depend on it and we are seeing that with the zoo illnesses which are increasing in number. And people often say we need to prioritize but i feel we have to reject that and i would love to hear your thoughts on that, i completely agree with you. The prioritizing of humans leads to restrictions of accounts as a human and the brutalization of animals is related to human animals i think this is a struggle of the coming. Of the Industrial Production of food and that racial capitalism and i think that our eating habits reflect more than our own proclivity reflect the production of food that is governed by racial capitalism. Thinking about struggles for freedom and democracy, the actual issues have transformed over time. One of the reasons why i think with more expansiveness and more capacious in a democracy , also related very much to the way the flora figures into the frame but the colonization of the planet by monsanto has created damage that is inconceivable. If we are to engage with ongoing struggles for freedom and democracy, we have to recognize that so the question of democracy and then because of those labor struggles of the working class men and the struggles for women, i am not suggesting this is automatic. But what we have witnessed is the ever expansive notion of the nature of democracy. I do not see how we can exclude but i dont see how we can exclude the flora. Looking at webinar earlier for the pandemic and then having to address that only the issues of racism but also with amazon and this makes me want to suggest and the conversation and the efforts to broaden the notion of the possibilities of democracy in the future. And moved in another direction but as far as the book is concerned, everyone who lives in this country are to be able to vote. They are part of the community. And so would also have to address lessons of the nations estate so i am thinking about things issues that will more than likely come up in the future. I dont know if i will be around the become mainstream. I did not think i was be able to witness the mainstreaming of abolition this. And the interest of the vocabulary. And mainstream discourse. To be here we are. That is exactly what i wanted to talk to about. You want to say that for all the exclusions in american democracy, there was long. When actually Voting Rights were contingent on that so thats in demand. And there are some municipalities where the residency in other countries we dont need to be a citizen. I think its something that we should be talking about all the time. It is something, it is there. Its in our track record. Be of support. What community are you a part of. Where you live, not this arbitrary thing of what passport do you hold. Angela in some states some people should be able to vote, incarcerated people. Astra in canada as well. Sometimes our imagination actually has existed before. I love this vision of democracy of the expanding circle. Then in the democratic dark ages. And Network Changes for everyone. It doesnt remain the same. They are transformed as well. The nature of the changes. And i think youre right about being bigger. We never look back on history and to gosh just too much solidarity. Theres never the regrets. I want to think about this is where i want to and read im very concerned with this building power so that is why of been involved with it. An economic material power. And imagine this democracy is there and giving ideas out there. We have been buying to normalize the evolution. Student debt cancellation free college. And youve done an amazing critical and this concept of prison abolition into the mainstream. I want to take a little bit about what that feels like. David pointed out to you. You talk about how organizers of they become veterans and how they start to close her mind from Younger Generations. They want the process to stop. No more new ideas. And so was wondering if you could talk about, your openness. Your so remarkable in your openness to emerging in organizers and activists. Your willingness to learn from them. Maybe give tips on how to be a good mentor. Had welcome the challenges. From the future generations of organizers. We will push beyond what we see here now. This discussion of democracy. I think that i would say that mentorship has to be the don terrien. Excuse me. That that challenged the hierarchy including the hierarchies there often seeming to be set in stone. Such as those that guarantee the elder, more power and influence by virtues. In those that command the Younger Generation to follow the older. I think that it should be more so. I think this is one of the ways in which we can enact. The democratic relationships in the course of struggling for change. Not only in relations in the relationality of generations. But also in relation to and for example those who were imprisoned and those outside. Often times, those who inhabit the socalled free world. Assuming that they have a greater capacity to give leadership than those who are in prison inside. Im really thankful to the critical resistance. Because of the very outset of the organization. And they insisted on bringing those who are actually in prison into the leadership. As a matter fact, the conference that we know in 1998. We insisted it that the participating in any of i should say people in prison rather than in prison. There has been a focus on language and how that affects us as well. We insisted that the members of the panel in the various panels, they had to included people who were in business. And technically, it was challenging because we had a set of telephones and numbers and so the people could call from inside. And that could call collect. It is quite incredible. It was amazing to feel as if we were in community with those who locked up inside for you and lily really to take their leadership and their ideas would be given equal weight is the ideas of the Stanford University senior professor. And i dont think that we have enough locations to engage in the kind of a figurative democracy. Creating democracy as we struggle for democracy. But i think that is also a feminist approach. It helps us to not only imagine in a world but become worthy of participating in the world. In the course of struggling. Astra i think it is such a wonderful answer in the spirit of the democracy will now, we will take questions from the audience. Thank you so much for the conversation angela. Angela thank you. I remember that time. I wasnt ready for my queue. [laughter]. So, i will just give a couple of questions from the audience free to know are running a little bit late. Been a wonderful conversation so far. I want to think about for all of your time. In one last thank you to our comrades haymarket books to john. Ive known of the people for decades here in the are the hardest working people in publishing. They are motivated by ideology. In the the best in the world. And their ideology is a socialism and a democracy that i think, mainly comes through in the things it published. Anyway, thanks to haymarket. So lets start with one question from joel. So paraphrasing here. Joe wants to what inspires doctor davis about major social movement of her neck, black lives matter but also, were might stand to learn lessons from her experiences of being the new left in the social movements with the 1960s from from a different society. I guess you could start with that one. Angela thats movement is so exciting. I can remember. It doesnt seem like it was 2014 was, any years ago. Six years ago. The protests that were happening. In the emergence of black lives matters, has an impact all of the world. And then more recently, of course during the pandemic. And the kind of lasting collective lasting of the meaning of the firm that black lives matter, the previously has been so often misinterpreted his meaning, all lives matter. And of course the tyranny of the universal, i would like to call this this way of discounting the impact in the import of moving at the very particular experiences of black people in this country. In arguing the black lives should matter. And that only when black lives matter but all lives matter. Soy have learned so much of the three women who founded the black lives matter. The movement for black lives. Among the board of the dream defenders. I think my mentors, have precisely been young people who been taken off the struggles of the past and is given them substance. And it me because i see there is a generation that takes for granted what we struggle with soap long and so hard to figure out to even articulate rated they dont know how to articulate it. They know how to expanded. And to develop ways of transforming the world that are truly inspirational. I think although it is basically to prevent the Younger Generation for making the same mistakes that we did. And i think the mistakes is to be made. Often times we learn so much more from our mistakes and we learn from what we did correctly. And that the Younger Generation has to be permitted to experiment and to not do it correctly. In the course of trying to figure out how to build the moment. What is the language that appeals us to how the people and how do we persuade people that even though we are living in a world that is made by capitalism, racial capitalism. There often times the dreamers or even are instructed in accordance with capitalism. How do we nevertheless, created critical response. How do we encourage people in movements and innovations to recognize that ultimately we are going to have to dismantle the system. And move in a socialist direction. Percent question from america which is already issuing something as far as organizations of the when we think about the generations from the far left to the new left and beyond. Often they were type democratic organizations. But there was some sense of membership in a debate about program and the ability to take the energies for the activists as kind of directed and channel it into organizational goals. It seems like obviously, several organizations of the democratic socialists of america. It seems that we are far more diffused now which obviously has some benefits to it. But cant comment on whether theres anything weve los shouo find again. Angela there will be a very long conversation. Yes. I think it will focus for the moment on internationalism. I was a member of the communist party. This is actually how my struggles started. When i was fired from my 31 job because of my membership in the communist party. Attained that sometimes i wonder why we have not been able to create a sense of connectedness. The sense of emotional connection of people in other places and parts of the world. Now why is it that black women who are moving to the floor this country, are not more connected to a movement in brazil. I continually remind myself that there is so much we can learn from the struggles of black women in brazil. Only women that is been activated or another such as a 31 black trans woman to be elected to a states parliament n brazil. But the histories of black feminism that are so much a part of brazil are largely because of the power. Of other religions that highlighted the power of women. Some yearning for the kind of internationalism that makes us feel strong. The makes us recognize that our desires that animates people all over the world, africa and asia and latin america and europe and australia. So if i were to ask what would like to see now, that would be my answer. Im not suggesting that there is no internationalism. Because obviously, the part played by palestine for example in finding the way to our abolitionist struggle in this country has been so essential. The fact that its not about getting rid of prisons. But is about the whole regime. And we see and occupies in which they characterize ways in which people are controlled. In the community and we have to be aware of that. So not in internationalism now. Astra thank you. I 100 percent agree and i also think that the commenter is right. We need organization. We need to be organized. In going back to the question about the reasons and what we dont have strong robust radical left institutions. We have to reinvent this for this moment. And i think for economic power, thats what we devote so much energy how to organize better. Because we live in a financial economy. Our own incarcerations and debt to somebody elses asset. In the leverage that we can use. But forms of labor organizing. And we have common enemies that in essence is an internationally. They have a Global Strike because these companies are now multinational corporations. And financial entities that were often local communities. Theyre indebted to goldman sachs. Whether we are talking about people increase our people in the united states. The organizations releasee and we need to invest in them. We need to experiment. When i think about a relative low. In the u. S. Left in the 1980s, there is a period of time with the struggles of central america. In the struggles in grenada. I know you were involved with that and especially was really the most incredible things that happened in the caribbean. During history. And that was a moment and of course a struggle with that and in africa. Bhaskan so theres a question which is another difficult one. The maybe this is a good place to actually will we will do one more. Bill answer that one. But, there is a question. Is it possible to have them at democracy under capitalist system. If so, what mechanism do you think we have to actually cereal democracy instead of the theater of electoral politics. I do apologize. The question is so broad then takes the entirety of the stock. See config any particular part of that. You both have been talking about this but theres also that wanting a deeper democracy for politics. I know its easy to say, under socialism will have real philosophy. And i just think the people wondering if there intermediary steps. Are there some forms of democracy we can create this kind of before the revolution. Angela this is what we could be doing and i think that im encouraged to kind of enacting of democracy in the course of the engaged intellectual engagement. The activist engagement. And im thinking about academic often are most often, they tended to imagine themselves as solitary individuals who are engaged in labor that is individual or individualistic. So what would it mean to reconceptualize intellectual labor. When would it mean to develop more collaborative notion of research and analysis. Lets do it all because hes so insistent and transforming intellectual work into the democratic labor. Theres so any other examples that i could give. As we struggle for changes. Were also engaging in the process of bringing about changes in our lives. And this is of course, what was mentioned as well. Astra yes. I guess, i have a post capitalist is my ideal for democracy. Its not something that just doesnt exist. Not in perfect form are frozen in time forever. But it is a spectacle. But there are ways to engage it. The meaningful. Im thinking socialist engagement in the primary level. Those are efforts in competitive elections because of the way the district and run. It could be republican or democrat would win. So thats where you can intervene. Negative socialist candidates then can win and take things up. So lets put the spaces where theres more substantial engagement. And then i there are lots of places where we can refigure our democratic practices. And that means experimenting. Really dont even know that means. As part of my trajectory of learning about the democracy is a response to wall street and the insistence on direct democracy which i didnt think worked for you got me thinking. Naomi engaging and now i do a lot of my day today democratic and struggling. To see if we try to build this institution and demand the abolition of these moral and unjust thats. The provision of Public Services that we are entitled to. That process of experimenting and try to figure out what we mean when we say i have democracy. I think your organization question, is it democratic central. I think that doing the work and respecting the people dont have a lot of free time. They dont have democracy to be an endless meaning. Things you can do what you are able to provide strategic resources. And to create engagements that are actually worth peoples times and respectful of their busy lives. Have a chance of having some sort of transformative psyche transformation like im no longer indebted or exploitive. Or angry. Thats a benefit arena getting money back into peoples pockets. There has to be, will not everybody is motivated. Maybe just some of us work born activist to be doing the work everyday. We have to entice people and give them some reward. Theres a possibility of it. Bhaskar we need politics and can deliver the goods reading consciousness is not linear. There are years in which people who mightve been socalled acrobatic or at least thats what the academic word we call them. They said to realize the politics had in fact changed their lives. And changed it for the better. Its an obviously, we are working with our colleagues in haymarket are doing match. They are trying to have that type of information with the working people themselves. We have been watching and will get the video to more people. Well put it on this event forgiving of the time. And thank you for those running the show behind the scenes of the technical levels. Heres a look at some Publishing Industry news of the American Booksellers Association and the offer skills have reacted critically to the sale of Simon Schuster to some of the publisher of random house. Americans largest publisher said to be sold to the largest publisher for 2. 2 billion. Allison help, ceo of the aba marked, is a dominant player in the Publishing Industry, seer ages purchase another big sized publisher further reducing theft markets and the big four. Too much power over the authors and readers in the hands of a single corporation. But the American Booksellers Association and the Authors Guild has asked the Justice Department to reject the merger. In other news, the year draws to a close, Media Outlets are releasing their list of the best books of 2020. The New York Times book review top ten include former president barack obama memoir. Historian Margaret Mcmillan study the war. In a reflection from her time and text started to name just a few. 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