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Eric is an awardwinning historian of lgbtq with politics, he graduated from Harvard College and received a phd in history from the university of cambridge where he was a gate scholar. The war is the first book. A novelist, screenwriter and aids historian. The 20th booklet the records show a political history and will be published in may of 2021, please welcome them both to your screen. Thank you. This is a great time this is a great time to talk about how movements get worn and progressed, i have a lot of questions, i want to ask a personal question first. What made you decide to do gay history and gay movement history. Its a good question. I did not start my academic career wanting to be historian, i started undergrad thinking is going to go to law school and get involved in politics or something and it was not until i watched the film milk as 18 or 19 then i realized, how did i not know the story earlier, how did i not learn about harvey in the important figure as a High School Student who is interested in American History and took several classes on it and even in my first year at harvard i had noisy of his name so then the realization, how did i not know his name, the next step was what other names joy not know. As you know so much of writing history is excavating what knowledge has not yet been introduced to the academia or to the public yet. So i soon stumbled upon the name who historians know, everyone within the queer history part of academia knows his name but the general public does not and even though there was an acknowledgment that he was the grandfather of the Gay Rights Movement, there had been an indepth study of his past, especially in the 1960s and especially not in the immediate aftermath of stonewall. Thats what i was working on the past seven years, yes historians are very important but how do we tell history in the context of the 1960s. If you realize quickly, it is not one mans story, this is a National Story of the black freedom, trans resistant and thats why it took a long time to write the book. But thats how i first got interested because so much of it has yet to be told. Lets start with the context. We know early in the first part of the 20th century, theres a lot of radical activity, the commonest party, socialist gets 900,000 votes, we have the antilynching movement, scottsboro, woman suffrage, and technology in europe. But then theres world war ii. World war ii has been theorized as a personal expansion, we see that for women and black people and gay people, there is an independent experience that takes place and then we emerge into the 50s. Can you set the stage nationally across the board what was going on in terms of rebellion and resistance. Two sides to the story, as you said postworld war ii america was a scary time because starting 49 50 you have a new threat within the commonest modest, the red scare and even though that was a Political Tool and David Johnson did phenomenal work showing how trying homosexuality to the red scare in the lavender scare was a convenient Political Tool especially for republicans in 1950 who were faced with the reality of mccarthys numbers of the security risks within the government were not very reliable, they are dubious, nonexisting numbers to begin with, went to start saying homosexuals are equally dangerous to National Security, then you start to see, this is much easier to find people who are arrested for homosexual activity and Public Restrooms or in gay bars, thats much easier to proof. So what started as a convenient Political Tool for delegitimizing the true administration, especially after eisenhower came into power a much more routinized apparatus for surveillance and persecution. You mentioned resistance, that is what provokes some of the very first iteration of gay pride whether hairy on the west coast in los angeles or more prominent in my book is firing committee. He was a victim of the gay purges or the lavender scare and because they were faced with the rationale of the government telling them that they were in moral and secretive and subject to blackmail at a security risk, he was working for the Defense Department and said that not logical, be all prove its logical but making my own arbitrary argument which is to be gay is not immoral, its a morally good and thats when i argued the first iteration of what we know silver each and every june. The dynamic of repression and resistance prewe know individuals act on and transform each other. So there are these expressions of resistance in the 50s, the montgomery boycott in 1955, enormous counterculture going on, where does firing committee sit in that. I think you cannot tell his story without also telling the story of the 60s and specifically without telling the stories of the black Freedom Movement, im so glad you brought up montgomery because i think so many people look at queer history increased activism in a vacuum which is unfortunate because if youre only looking at individuals and trends within isolated my normandy that was overwhelmingly white, then youre missing a large part of the story which is how, when and why they were drawing and borrowing from the other movements, one thing that a lot of generations dont know about, montgomery, rosa parks was not just the victim of persecution, she was chosen by the organizers because of her status as a very morally sound figure within the community, they rejected another potential victim because i believe she had been she was pregnant. For me too give them the credit of saying the black Freedom Movement recognizes the power, respectability of reclaiming morality for themselves and thats something that frank did a few years later after green burro, the citizens went on a visual level, you see the students dress very properly sitting peacefully at the counters while its a white racist who are very unequivocally morally corrupt, pouring ketchup on the students. There is no way to argue with that, i think it is in a way Performance Art because your quite literally provoking an image that can be transmitted across the world and i think that is something that he saw when he was deciding how to react to these claims by the government that he was in moral, he said im going to prove that that does not make any sense, thats completely arbitrary. You think his emphasis on masculine close for the men and lesbian for addresses would influence the black limit . Absolutely. There has been great studies done on black activism especially in the south where organizers would tell those marching, children or people at the church is congregating before march, dress as if youre going to church. Verbatim thats what they were told, it was a conscious strategy of we dont want to look like the antiwar folks, you have the same conversation within the home File Movement or the Gay Rights Movement where we dont want to be affiliated with the dirty browsers marching and causing trouble and smoking pot outside of the white house, we want to be in franks words, we want to be employed so we damn well better look employable. What i try to get out the book is the unintended consequences of that where he was essentially sacrificing individual aldi but also inclusion and i think that was something he ended up having to cope with and fix and adapt a bit too late but that was the big intervention at stonewall. What was the difference between sexology and the Homophile Movement. Sexology was a new field that was really contained within academia, it was a new study of human sexuality in one study that influenced not just rank but a large number of activist was a report, and gave a shaky methodology improve that there was a Minority Group that existed within america, a very large he used his own translation to make it and claim it was 10 homosexuals. So we gave them the numbers to say wait a Second Period if we organize and convince these people who are engaging in activity who may not consider themselves to be part of the Minority Group, if we convince them like the marxist convinced workers that they did not recognize, then we can wield political power. That is something that you see harriet representing and bring can be representing them. The Homophile Movement was very much a movement of activism. And rather just studying sexual activity, it was about promoting the rights of the sexual deviance and i think there was a relationship between them, you see activist allying, researchers like evelyn hooker, sexology magazine which was an academic journal with more of a popular audience, they say here is our numbers, were dealing with a regime that is telling us were immoral and we dont exist, you have the commission saying homosexual is not a noun and it does not exist. But it actually does. What were the concrete demands of the Homophile Movement and what were their strategies for achieving them . Prior to frank you see a glimmer of radicalism and he retreats respectability. Another was pushed back to that recently but i think you see at the very beginning for people who do not know in the context of mccarthy, you see the first organizing on a National Level of the age of sexual deviance in trying to achieve the end of the gate purges or the lavender scare, but because simoni came from the communist party, literally they were members and quite involved or they were travelers, the early activists initiated their own purges of the communists, those who have threatened their own political progress. So after 53, you see that respectability were becomes a matter of simile improving to the world that we are good, moral upstanding citizens and that is the case all the way up until frank canady in 1961 when he and a few other allies who say wait a second, the goal should not be fitting in an convincing other people that were good people, we need to lobby, ticket, demanding more from change so it becomes more militant and for frank someone who was a victim of the gate purges was kicked out of the government and his job, never allowed to work in the field of astronomy again because all those jobs require security clearance. His goal was ending the gate purges and continued fighting all the way into the repeal dont ask dont tell, that was a continuation of the exact same phenomenon. There were different priorities especially lesbian groups and we said we have our own unique problem that are not as related to men getting caught in Public Restrooms and fighting for the end of the todd amis laws or indecent conduct. So you see in the book a lot of the conversations of what the priority should be. Ultimately i think you see that it needs to be a conversation on how to prioritize the most marginalized numbers, not just those who manage to get a job but those who are homeless and did not have federal jobs to begin with. They are undocumented now. I asked you to prepare a section to read from your book, since the gay movement was a movement and struggling as a police, i think you have a section to share with us. Absolutely. Im going to read for my section because of looking for a Good Opportunity to read from it especially given the current history that were living through in frank does make an appearance because he was not at stonewall, forgive me for anyone looking for a feature on frank, but i think it shows the conflict weve been talking about. On the night of june 27, avon ritter wearing his mother dressed in toronto by 200 other patrons sat as stonewall in. Lack walls, black ceiling, blacked out windows and weak drinks. But it played the supremes and rolling stones. Had gogo dancers, i felt safe. As hes shot there, a group of nypd officers were outside, two female officers were inside posing and watching. Within a year after he criticized the mafia ownership of gay bars, the city was taking action. The last three weeks of june and conducted five grades with different clubs like stonewall and bars that sold liquor without a license, the reason occurred in the Election Campaign when homosexual spiked. Indeed the rise against gay bars look good for who conducted them. The City Government could give numbers, there were easy arrest, the drag queens never fought back. Everybody behaves the officer in charge recalled. It was like were going down to grab the bags and at 1 20 a. M. The officer entered in the music turned off and the bright white lights turned on. Witter ran for the bathroom she thought she could escape through a window. As she reached the door and arm grabbed her, youre not going anywhere said the officer. The police dragged her back to the bar and pushed her up against the wall along with other patrons who defined gender norms. They demanded identification and they performed the second duty of the evening, they took the trans women to the bathroom with the policewoman exam of the genitalia. If patrons did not wear the three cover items of clothing, they were arrested. Usually this is an examination to scare the transvestites into confession. Usually the officers led them into the bathroom and emitted. But in the second rate in a single week, and that night the patrons in th drag resisted authority. Get your hands off me, dont touch me. Female officers had five transplants. The officers release the humiliated women and arrested her. Officers told another group of detained patrons identified by one witness to stand against the black wall. Male officers push them, frisk them and touch them. The gay man in the bar stood in a single file line and one by one after trying identification, he exited. As he waited outside, they struck a pose with and applaud in the crowd went inside. They called their friends from payphones thalamus. Group festive. They were in proper dress then arrived, a Police Officer showed one of them and she hit him back with her purse. He hit her with his club. A Village Voice reporter heard food and someone suggest they tip over the police wagon and officer led them to the police man full of clothing. When he returns to retrieve another, ritter stops out, the officer begged her to stop. Please, its my birthday she is 18, she was sobbing in her makeup running. The officers surrounded by angry patrons look the other way. Ritter ran for the crowd outnumbering 400 in the band drove away. Officers brought another patron who identified as a woman wearing crutcher, neil close in handcuffs. One noticed a black leather suit and others described as a fancy go to bar drag forbush dyke. She put up a struggle reported the boys, dyke wrote one witness, lost her mind on west village. Taking, cursing, screaming and fighting. Twice she escaped from the police car for before getting caught. After the second time they grab into the patron into the car, voice, witness recalled and shouted female, why do you guys do something, was at that moment that this became explosive, limp risk were forgotten, beer cans and bottles were he did the windows and coins descended on the cops which cries a police brutality, fag it cops, the interruption began. Officers retreated backward and bolted the door of the bar. The mob used, the swung open and the officers hit by flying object, they grab the man, dragged him into the bar and beat him mercilessly, voice reporter was trapped inside with officers in the sound filtering and does not suggest dancing fag its anymore he relayed her rope. It sounds like a powerful reach. Certain they would storm the bar, pointing their guns outside. Will shoot the first [bleep] who comes to the door. Outside calls for lets get gas. The lighter fluid into the room and fle through a match, wu show flames, officers prepare tissue in a mask year seemed intimate. Suddenly the sound of sirens, fire trucks arrived followed by two buses the right police, they escaped in the reinforcement turned their hoses and club onto the ground, for several of hours, the hustlers who were the 42nd street taunted the riot police. The street that you are seeing, we are the stonewall girls change in the course line, kicking their heels. Long a heads and backs. The writers ran but the officers ran faster. Witnesses saw a young man covered in blood dragged into police cars. The young veteran of randys first new york ticket yelled gay power from watching below. Next evening saturday the clouds grew larger. They lost a seat, and flames rose from the trashcan, writers through bottles and windows broke. One black trans woman recklessly climbed a lamppost in high heels and a tight fitting dress, she dropped the bag full of bricks shattering the windchill. The riots survived again in the street use. By 3 30 a. M. The clouds dispersed. On sunday afternoon assigned appeared on the stonewall window. We homosexuals plead with her people to please help maintain peaceful and quiet conduct on the streets of the village. Signed the manner she. Officers scatter them in a single suite but the stonewall state open playing rock n roll. The poet allen ginsberg, the in esses entered the stonewall indians therapy the guys are so beautiful upon leaving. They lost the winded look that we all had ten years ago. That night avon ritter stadium brooklyn should been avoiding the village line low after taking the subway home saturday morning, she graduated from high school that week of feeling remained and printed in her mind. After she escaped to the police man full of drag queens and blended into the angry crowd, makeup streaking down her face, she pick something off the ground, maybe a break or a piece of glass, she does not know that she threw in anger and defiance and pride. Thank you so much eric. Now lets open it up for questions. Sure. I boys question the concept of bricks at stonewall. Where did those bricks come from . As Current Events are an indication, they appear and somehow are found with questionable origin. I think johnson image of her climbing the lamppost, that is something that he saw was the own eyes and who knows if it was actually bricks inside the pillowcase or whatever that she was climbing up but i think the larger question is who cares. Who cares what was thrown whether it was a shot glass or brick, i think that minimizes the importance of the moment and what actually was occurring in the contribution of those that michael and sylvia underscored but before and after. As you know a big part of the book that im honestly most proud of is the findings that i was able to find about sylvia and her indispensable contribution to the gay activists aligns in particular. So when i think you see in the popular media focusing who really what happened at the stonewall. I think we need to ask larger questions of peoples contributions around and after. Lets go to questions. I want to encourage anyone who is not answer the question just press the little answer. I am back, i think. We have three questions so far. Im also peeking over here at my second laptop, has a facebook live, ill be able to look at them as well. The first question is, its about the International Dimension and commuting to gay politics. I wonder if theres an International Context for activism across the globe and game and another sexual minorities in the 50s and 60s in a newly strong and powerful state. Absolutely. There is definitely International Context especially after stonewall, he did not just stop, his own organization from washington became a one man organization, he continued working as part of the aclu which is very much in conversation with british reformers, especially after their own successes with overturning the laws before stonewall. So there is the conversation and its a really good study, one they would recommend is david minto who is it jerome when adversity and will talk about the Transnational Movement and how some of the conversations we are taking place in the Carpenter Hall archive and its a great resource to see how u. S. Activists were including in conversation with a long reformers in the uk and even before franks time, german activists had a number of publications and from the very first gay publication that were ever in the u. S. Were german, whether it was a circle a lot of great work done, if you just google trans atlantic, homo viable movement, who should cobalt. I am sure especially with your research in the 80s, id be curious what you found on the transatlantic front, later in franks life. That would take me a month to tell you. [laughter] lets do that for another time. What else do you have there . This is a question we can open up to both of you. Given that millennials are part of it is inclusive into integrate with their peers, thats the day we open up the apps and moving venues. How do we encourage younger queers to learn our history and values those with the freedom that we havent participate in the community . Only of you also give a followup. Weve been doing this for much longer, galvanizing is one thing that im trying to figure out but i think with this book my theory going in to marketing, these are human beings in any sort of depiction of history or within the publishing world, as soon as you strip people of their feelings and emotions and sex and drama and the conflict, then it does not become relatable. Historians have an obligation because so much of history is the result of these dramatic elements that are really appealing to young kids. Why is he so upset with the society and the homework it was not because those political policymaking level that he was interested in doing the problem. Its because he was obsessed with them because they were making these claims about his sexuality and he wanted to nip that in the butt so to speak. You have to be telling the illicit parts of history in order to to all of this. I think i would encourage that wound on the hard work in the research, maybe makeup version of what your publishing that is unfiltered, uncensored, on academic lingo ordered whether the New York Times kitchen know all the history. When we started this project in 2001, i went to about people to come to her website. We interviewed 188 surviving members over 18 years and we had 14 million hits on our site but when we started the project, we asked ourselves why is a 20th century u. S. History not have an aids component. It does not make any sense. In high school and intra u. S. History. We went to the american something of historians, im not an academic and neither is jim. But i teach creative writing. So we had a big inpatient and the only people who shut up, there was a real resistance. In 2012 we made a film called the united in anger, the history backed up which we made available for free but we found the people were afraid to teacher because they were in various other material. That brand if you know the book which is an incredible book that came out this year, heated the teaching guide that is Available Online for free and Teachers Want to teacher but they feel they dont know how to talk about a no or drugs or whatever. They can just follow the teaching guide. We spent everything that we can to make it possible for people but they have prejudiced in curriculum construction that keeps information out. I have a history major but i ended up going to law school. My question is this, you make parallel between the civil Rights Movement and Lgbtq Movement, the room and right teaching in the early 70s was a large part then, do you think Lgbtq Movement borrowed anything from the Womens Movement that was helpful . Oh my gosh, so much of it. We have two different answers, you said no, okay you go first. When we started the lesbian adventures in 1992, our initial club card that we made out and handed out to people said lesbian, dikes, gay women, those were three different groups of people. To identify the different terms in the gay women who were in the Lgbtq Movement, at the time it was called the gay movement, they were very alienated from the feminism, it notoriously led the purchase. I experience a lesbian purge in 1982. Although it was not called that. So there has always been a lot of tension and ultimately i think one of the failures of traditional feminism or street feminism as heterosexual men really never got involved. Heterosexual men never got involved in the abortion Rights Movement, one of the advantages of the clear movement is that queer people meet each other for love and. They always have to meet each other to find each other. If you construct a movement where youre asking heterosexual woman to put themselves in a situation where love and is not available. Its hard to create that counterculture, so those positions and those in tag and is him play out even in the roe v. Wade case itself. They ultimately hurt the feminist movement. It is heartbreaking also especially with the people who i interviewed who were lesbians who were also dedicated to womens liberation feeling that they had to make a choice between the Homophile Movement and womens liberation, so people eventually said i give up. But the Homophile Movement has completely dominated by men and so ill put my emphasis on womens liberation but as sarah said, then within womens liberation is the own purges putting out and you end up having a lot of the organizations that are for lesbians and whether its radical, i think also to answer your question, yes the Homophile Movement did borrow or even the Gay Liberation movement borrowed from womens liberation and you see it in protest of the Gay Activists Alliance and other organizations, you had women burning their bras at the ms. America pageant because it was a very powerful visual demonstration and you see very similar things and you see it on creating a visual spectacle in order to make a political point and i think that was borrowed from womens liberation and the real shame of it all if anyone seen this as america, betty was really not the best friend to lesbian. Really was not antagonistic and then you have him utilizing the same exact spectacles, when they were wearing the shirts and took over a feminist convention. In 1970. Its very interesting that they did borrow from the womens Liberation Movement but then use the same tactics against them when they were being excluded. Its a complicated a shout out to two historians at the early lesbian movement, one is marti f who wrote the incredible history that is under red and should be in the classes that we are talking about in the second who did a history of gay San Francisco with a very important interview, that work was done it just never got the play that it really deserved. I want to Say Something about craig who i knew i want to say i dont think hes totally reliable on source, just to say that. But when he opened the bookstore on christopher street, i went there when i was in high school and this is before the gay and lesbian in your mentioning radical lesbians before, the men spoke would be cycle stock and stuff like that, foreign novels, and the women shelf would be xerox or ditto before xerox by groups like the radical lesbians that were stapled that you could buy because lesbian literature there was little available. Anyway, he died because he was a christian scientist. So when he had cancer he did not treat it. Anything else on the list . I think we have two more questions if we can get to for three more. Or is it two more. The next question, your comments on current trend of trans phobia within the lgb portion of the community and transgender among the binary trans community, can you speak about this in order to gain social credibility throughout the history of queer activism false on her past and present. It is everywhere, it is one of the most heartbreaking parts of all of study in the social movement is this fallacy that there is a way to make sexual deviance or queers more palatable, to make the rights of some of the more palatable to the majority were to the oppressor as you said by throwing the most marginalized members of the community under the bus and the book talks about one of the first incidents were that happen in first with frank in his dress code which was unfortunate and exclusionary even though maybe was unintentional but you have a much more explicit intentional influences occurring were Sylvia Rivera because of her the day Activists Alliance becomes an incorporated organization in the state of new york because shes the first one to get arrested for the city Council Petition in 1970, she finds the attorney for becomes a ga attorney and legitimizes the entire organization, the organization in the Legal Action Committee become legal and 20 years later becomes the first to join the marriage fight in hawaii and 93. What happened, you have to tell the story of what happened next, when she organized her own ticket against and why you, later in 1970s, the executive of the Gay Activists Alliance says explosively, we will not join these tickets because they were organized by street people. So who cared about the merits of the protest itself because i had an image of being organized, they remove trans protection from the very City Council Bill that she got arrested fighting for, what happened the bill still failed 20 years later, 30 years later when the Human Rights Campaign remove trans protection from the federal discrimination legislation, what happened, it still failed george w. Bush threatened to veto it. Time and time again you see it is selfdefeating. It ends up doing much more harm than good and you actually see its instance when activists are the most inclusive in the most marginalized members of top leading the decisions, leading the protest, that is when changes made in the biggest one is stonewall, for once who is leading the charge regardless of the shaky eyewitness, it was without a doubt the homeless trans kids in sex workers who were leading the fight. For once everyone in the entire movement or who were not in the movement said i dont want to be a part of that suit wearing professional they call randy and all the gay bars in new york because he would show up wearing his preppy attire. And try to convince him to join, no way why would i join that its not for me. After stonewall, thats when everyone realizes this is much bigger than randy wicker marching around. Great, thank you. And then theres a question for sarah is a native new yorker who is young at the time of stonewall, what were your memories, were they on your radar. [inaudible] i was born on east tenth street, quite close to there, i remember as a child there was an incident where there was two things, and argentinian gay man was arrested at a bar and brought into the Police Station two blocks from my house and he jumped out of the window and was impaled on the gate. And i remember that happening and then there was a famous bakery where my father used to go to buy roles across the street from the womans house of detention. This is before gentrification. Right in the middle of the village, we would buy these roles and women would scream out the window of the prison and people were standing on the street yelling up with them and it was just part of my childhood landscape. Later i found out workers and women who were arrested on the previous saturday night. So yelling up and down to their kids or their girlfriend or whatever else out the window. That is the prison were valerie flores, angela davis. They moved it to bedford. Hugh ryan is writing a history that im sure would be amazing. He is wonderful. His name is diego and Something Like that where he got entailed because of that raid, thats what first initiated the Gay Activists AllianceLegal Committee and they were going to sue the nypd because of the raid and because of all the men taken without attorneys and held at the Police Station and they formed the very first iteration of the Legal Committee, the Gay Activists Alliance in response and they cannot find the attorneys to join in and file the lawsuit and take charge, they basically retired it and the only thing that because the Legal Action Committee, they renamed it to come back into being Sylvia Rivera getting arrested in april 1970s a year after the raid and thats when she found the first attorney who is willing to represent and i believe he was straight, to represent the Gay Activists Alliance and then finally the Gay Activists Alliance have a Legal Committee. It is so interesting how Police Procession in the most marginalized are picking up arms for the more privileged part of the community. Thank you. Maybe we will in with the standard bookseller question, what you are both reading right now. It looks like i froze. Im reading a book called the empire of critique which is a history of the palestinian clear movement. It is quite a fascinating book. Its intense and i recommend that at Stanford University press in the book i mentioned earlier for queer studies from duke, its a fantastic book. Its about facing elitism in the university and the role in the structure. Thank you sarah, we mightve lost eric, i might give him a second to see if he can reconnect. All it looks like he was excreting internet issues so ill see if he comes back on. I was in a long struggle with frank for most of quarantine which i want to read for a variety of truly selfish escape wrist reasons, but in light of everything that is going on, like many people revisiting and reassembling that fell by the wayside. The new yorker reminded me i have a couple behind me on the bookshelf and i need to pick those up as well. I need to read really short things these days. I dont know if thats common but thats whats happening to me right now. And my duty. I warned you about crowd cast, dont use that for your book tour. What are you reading eric . I am reading the pink line that comes out, another author that comes out next month and someone asked about Trans National activism, he travels the world and looks at different battles for lgbtq quality across the entire world ranging from africa to the middle east, everywhere, i highly recommend it and i think it comes out mid july. Mark was in new york, he was a south african. When he returned to south africa he brought quite a few user communicated between the two movements. Somebody needs to write about him. Were doing a joint podcast with jackson art editor tomorrow i believe so i will ask him about that. Great. That brings us to the hour, thank you, you can buy this on the podcast, if youre watching on facebook live, you can head over. Thank you so much for talking about the books today and to join us here, people from all over the world, australia, coast to coast, we appreciate it and thanks again. Thank you john and thank you sarah. We really appreciate it. Thank you all. John boltons new book the room where it happened is being released on tuesday but news organizations have obtained copies and reporting on the contents. According to the law street journal, the former National Security advisor to President Trump rights the president ran the white house where obstruction of justice was a way of life and that the president was stunningly uninformed. The white house is none of the allegations are true in the book contains classified information which makes publishing inexcusable. The Justice Department has sued to stop the book from being released at its publisher plans to make it widely available next week. Look for the author in the near future on book tv and cspan