Issues during this difficult time. And as we face the challenges like this have never been more important during this covid19 pandemic. In these discussions will now begin printed as a reminder, we will be taking audience questions and will encourage you to submit yours located on the but not at the bottom of your screen. And it says, type in your question and we will try to get to it to the end of the broadcast. Todays briefing is from Victor Davis Hanson. Is a senior fellow here at the hoover institution. He focused his classics in the military and history. Author 24 books of the most recent, is been the National Humanities and the price, victor, youre a better man than i if i had that metal i would have it hanging around my neck 24 7. How are you. Victor very good. Host before we get into the policy side of things, a lot of us are watching this from Population Centers are in cities and suburbs and exurbs. What we know difference but in the past couple weeks, but is come to a standstill. Youre a fifth generation armor, but you right now are about 15 miles outside of fresno i think. Im curious as to what difference you note an Agricultural Community in this kind of situation. Victor i think there is a sense that life can go on and will go on because agriculture by definition is the at least the production side is solitary existence. And so what looking at out here, and looking down at a great vineyard or a plum ric trucks going by constantly, headed toward the coast, and the east coast even with chicken and eggs and beef. There is a sense that agriculture is very important and people are looking to make sure the food is delivered to people who are sheltered home. And that theres not as a great danger because of population density. Fresno county is a big county. It has over a Million People. 1. 2 million but weve only had a little 100 cases into debts. In the Rural Counties that in the near, kings county, karen county, they have far fewer cases per million residents and four fewer, so it is not the feeling that we are in battle thinking that we were at Stanford University before the shut down. Bill the year of 2020 over half of the americans to stay home, they been told by government whose essential who is not, people been told to keep their distance from each other. And theres no foreseeable end to this. The end of april or may be the end of may or june or july and who knows when. If you go back and look in a virus that struck the United States in 1957, the hong kong flu, with use of politically incorrect term back then. But the economy did not shut down in 1957 when we went through that strength. The elective 1918 victor, president woodrow wilson, he did not hold Daily Press Conferences to talk about the influenza epidemic. Commerce do not do spending bills and the economy did not come to a halt. Why are we doing things different in 2020 as opposed to six years ago. Victor were much more technological interconnecting population so we do it because we can do it printed im television, and the way that we are communicating over the internet right now. So people want instant information. We are much more affluent population where we all deal with dying in the late 80s. That was much more tragic society. The case of the socalled spanish flu, during a war which would kill about 50 Million People. 60 Million People. In the United States with about 120,000, to flu. And that was considered part of the tragic existence and people do not have control over the medical and hygienic and their economic circumstances to the degree that they feel that they do today. The results were more tragic. People were used to mark physical distance, im speaking, it is been in my family for 145 years. They have had a history and i grew up seeing my grandparents talking about the 1918 flu. I heard them. They quarantined themselves out here they were completely selfsufficient pretty than their own part in sewage and their own food and then just it grow by many of the very many places. There is not very many places to go then. And i remember the stories of my aunt, when out to swim ones in 1922 and she got polio and she ended up here in the corner and crippled and she stayed in this house and she died in 1980. And i remember the 1957 flu, i was for five years lofgren one of my first memories. When a chip in this house we had a humidifier. And we are all sort of told to breathe this error so we would not die. And i remember everybody thought that penicillin was a miracle drug so we had the dock and drove out in the car then we went out and we rolled up her sleeve and he gave us a shot. I dont know whether it help with the virus. A note did not help the virus but we felt that penicillin was still a magic drug. Bill todays just kind of come one after the other on the situation. I get up in the morning to have breakfast, i watch Governor Cuomo givest briefing great, i have a light lunch and then i see Governor Newsom give his briefing and then i have a snack and then i hear President Trump give his and the each day just goes on. And you will be disciplined in the society. Is there any model we should be looking out for how long a contract, especially country that values civi civil liberty d freedom. How long can we go on like this. Victor when we have been in similar situations, world war ii, fear member the japanese and the paranoia that came from judicious and liberal minded leaders like rural warren and fdr. They later regretted it but at the time there was a panic that was with the nation and we look back fondly at the productive history of World War Two that was not a sustainable situation they have that much of your gdp, devoted to military production. I can tell you that if this thing continues, the way it is charted by sylmar people the price will not just be economic, will be in human lives because youre already starting to see him out here, social rebounds. I can tell you that within my circumference, there are people who are opening for legal order shops out of the barn. An illegal Daycare Center right on the street. It are campaigns that are supposed to have to cut food and the serving food with people sitting down. And to talk to a lot of people from a lot of different varieties life and their attitude is sort of like 1950s, that was okay. It wasnt great but im not going to destroy my childrens livelihood on the basis of some and i will try to navigate around and their people when you go to the store here, the person is told one paper towel, one toilet paper, one hand cleanser in the market with two, its a dilemma because if i dont, or allow them to do it, the list let me charge them and i can get the money from them but if i say no on the one, they will just walk out with two. And its a minor misdemeanor that will not be prosecuted so there is already a frame of this society. They because were such a diverse country, and we have the same diversity as europe does, south dakota, louisiana, Central Valley is not San Francisco, new york is not north dakota or south dakota. We need to look be a little bit more flexible. To allow the states if not the counties to be a little bit more liberal in the way that they adjudicate the perceived danger to their subset population. Bill you mentioned models, the university of washington is been doing a model, they refine his today. Now suggesting that were going to hit a peak mortality number this sunday which is good news, that means we are coming to the hump in this thing. And will go downhill after that. But heres my question. This wonder two ways of looking at that either people can look at the have full thing that we the hampton we kept our distance and keeping this thing under control for people could look at this and say heres another example that is fake news. Lack of confidence. This should happen and it didnt. Which one will prevail the halffull or halfempty. Victor i hope it is halffull because there is logic to shut down. And at least some of the population is getting paid and you feel that this is a sustainable proposition to be and are not aware of the effects of other people, because you were closed in. And then you think that the numbers have to be ever increasingly more optimistic, you have to get not 2. 5 percent mortality rate but 1 percent or half of a percent are not going to go out and is 99. 8 percent and then that becomes a logic of its own. It drives realities. What i am worried about is we have to realize that it between the government coronavirus, it is between lives and lives were going to lose a lot of lives. Suicides, substance abuse, anxieties, doctors appoints, neglected surgeries. If we dont allow flexibility and with people. As far as the modeling goes, this is the first epidemic as i can think of when the modelers had no information whatsoever about the denominator. The number of people who actually have it. Excellent based on those who are ill. Or took the effort to go get tested. Most people believe that is a model itself. That is a tenth of the number of cases of actual cases. For caseload the mature royalty route rate, and what we started out now is 2. 5 and oh my gosh, its bound to go down when we have more data. People who have antibodies or inactive cases and even the numerator of the number of people who are dying, is subject to interpretation because a lot of people, physical issues and challenges are being listed as dying from the virus rather than with it and theres so much uncertainty. This reflected in the inability of the modelers to be correct. Running to have 2. 2 Million People die. I dont think the washington modelers would want to go back to their initial data. I dont think the modelers have convinced gavin newsom three weeks ago to say by the end of this month, 25 million californians will have a case of covid19. And given them a tour the routes, 1 million would die. I dont think mike in ohio, should have said on march 12, and he thought 100,000 people and an active case when in fact there were about hundred who have tested positive and maybe 500 might have found it rated but he said it was doubling every six days based on his commissioner or Health Directors modeling that would give us today, 24 days later, 1. 6 million ohioans and probably 40000 dead. I look at the statistics yesterday. They have over a little of 105,000 cases. So theres a downside to modeling. You have to be careful. If you make a model, it has consequences. And so far i am afraid that the media suggested that the consequences are always good because the vestments served to purposes. They know that what can happen and therefore, we little hysterical and take the necessary measures. But if its incorrect, i hadnt done it, it wouldnt have taken these measures and that if hes right, the instagram person who is accurate. The optimist suffers situation because the modelers exaggerating, the data is incomplete, hes found to be correct however mason yeah but its only because of the tests that most of people change their behavior the major optimistic assessment of possible. If he is wrong, given life and death, they say that the optimist will be murder because it wouldnt be this many dead because the view and the people were not cautious. Safety keep in mind the psychological landscape that these models are given. There are consequences when somebody tells western government the 2. 2 million americans are likely to die. That had a lot of ramifications. They did not do larger 1918 in 1957, im not saying we didnt have have the statistical knowledge to make these models for the data retrievable abilities that didnt have confidence that they were all knowing they didnt have computers and things like that so they were much more humble about their own data in the ramifications about public policy. Bill this virtual policy meaning with Victor Davis Hanson printed the former mayor of chicago and before that, bill clintons chief of staff initially said never let a serious crisis go to waste printed even watching government, watching what has been going on in congress, and what california has been doing statewide and locally, tell us what you think the government has done well in terms of this crisis but also in the way of civil liberties. Would you be concerned that maybe a state like rhode island which is very upset the new yorkers are driving through on the way to massachusetts. But we see a situation where maybe its okay to shut down the borders. How far do you think it was would push us. Victor i think anna cox right now. Because we reacted as we did after pearl harbor very rapidly to very difficult situation. In the Chinese Communist government lied about the nature of the birth of the virus, the transmission rate of the virus in the infectiousness of the virus, the spread of the virus, everything about the virus and those untruths were echoed by the World Health Organizations. So when we had the travel been on generally 31st of the World Health Organization, the Chinese Government said it because you cannot really transmit persontoperson. As a city couple weeks weeks earlier given all that, and given all of the cdcs test kits do not work. People were told to wear a mask and not to wear masks pretty getting to a point where were starting to emerge a consensus that what we are doing now, has reduced the infectiousness. But where we are at flux is this is not a sustainable situation. We will have to either have original both choice or people can modify the protocol or we have to realize that if we do not get the sentiment deep test, we have no idea of the degree of immunity. Civil go out and will start the infectious process again and will be able to justify the six or 7 trilliondollar hit in the economy and i guess on the rationale that they give us breathing time. We didnt get the hospitals overcrowded and we have the medical systems intact. For the second of the third of the fourth wave. Each time we shelter and space and then we dont get out, and we dont develop them will go out again and again, and the only rational i can see that is been given is that we are buying time. For either anecdotes or vaccinations. But its not a sustainable situation. The cost, effete think eventually eventually in terms of days rather than months, persuade people that we dont have a choice but to gradually be careful and wear masks, proper hygiene, dont go to a sports event but you need to get back to work. Bill youre listening to Victor Davis Hanson senior fellow at the institution. If you want to learn more about victors research. Please go to our website and that is hoover. Org www. Hoover. Org. Lets take some questions. To rights to victor my knowledge is where the economy sees the postwar room. Given the interpretation that were in a more. And with the historical role apply now predict. Victor i think it will. I think once we are in 1919 or 1946, or even after the war, there was a lot of research, like earlier on in my career that showed that all the pets to make appraisals that happens is 1 ounce, that it actually had a boom after the war. And i think the answer is people feel they survived something rated and they have been starved for social action or travel restaurant so then they indulged their appetites even to a degree beyond what they did before the crisis. In an economist can argue whether that makes up for the low or not. But there are also some criteria we should examine read we are reaching a point in the summer were going to have record low fuel prices. So driving, getting in a plane would be very cheap in a way that has ever been. Almost zero Interest Rate and can argue that we are making redistribution of money in their use due to three 4 percent and theyre getting zero now. The lost revenue is going to be given to people who borrow money but zero interest, but what ever view you take of it, it will be an economic stimulus and then we have the government, guess the logic is been that we have lost six or 7 trillion of liquidity both of the stock market and the loss of gdp. That was real money that despaired. Therefore, i could be so crude, neanderthal i can say they infused a cash into the system and they claim it will not be inflationary because were just replacing at least temporarily lost capital. But the point of all of that, went the answer is, there is going to be stimuli after this crisis that i think will really accelerate. And that what is very important is what was the situation before the crisis. There were a lot of people said, we had a second recession depression almost and 38 and 39 we had 16 percent on employment and negative gdp and it will be like that again. We are very worried. In our case, we created 7 million jobs when we moved 7 million jobs, and go back to the status and 2016 and 2017. So we had a Strong Economy and that was really important. Bill victor, variations on the same question, what is the relations going look like china moving forward. What will it look like a year or two from now. Victor chinas success was built on the following assumptions that they were going to outsource labor, you could outsource real labor to china and they were going to produce quality merchandise in a manner that is consistent with norms and world mercantile trade protocols. When they did not do that with dog food or drywall or Pharmaceuticals People said will that was an abuse or an aberration but did not endanger the paradigm. There was a naive person that said, we can outsource our pharmaceutical industry to china because the richer it becomes, it will become more liberalized. We have 360,000 students in the United States, we have 20000 people flying in friday. Theyre becoming liberalized and that someday, shanghai and beijing will look like paris and San Francisco. Thats inevitable. W liberal minded. That will not happen. In the reputation of the china, is destroyed and now i think the general global perception is when is the next wuhan virus coronavirus number, but three coming out of wuhan and when will they get nine or ten hours to San Francisco or los angeles paris, they have blessed International Credibility because they lied about every aspect of the virus. They contaminated the World Help Organization is lost its credibility. I dont think it is going to be a sustainable proposition for an American Company to produce and pursue only in china and think it is good him connotations that theyre not a national or patriotic. Those wont be dirty words like they were in the past. So think things will change printed think thats why the chinese are so worried and that there engaged in this Propaganda Campaign that whether the virus, theyre helping other countries because their International Reputation is at rock bottom. Bill of the effects change our relationships with entreaties but other nations and many are they redefined with new partners changing partners. Victor will obviously people are starting to look at things in different ways. One is taiwan. We know the democratic the play by the rules, their small and they endanger our relationship with this christian going 1. 4 million person china but now we look at it may say you know what, the play by all of the rules of the transparent, the projected the population, they allowed people to voice dissension, they are a model oft china shouldve been. Why do we have them feeling guilty about the our support with taiwan. I think the same is true with japan and south korea. I see a lot of those countries being far more afraid than they even were before the crisis with china. And far more amenable to a relationship a close one with the United States but in terms of europe, its a little bit more problematic because we were lectured that europe, under these guidelines, was sort of a model. Almost as if the model in the west will be a Transnational Organization runs on solar and wind power and relies on self power. And has no borders. And within a nanosecond in this early crisis, borders closed. And for a while germany and other countries in the north were not willing to send medical supplies except to the south and we had this sort of anti creed that a country where people were dying with more money and could not get money from and people with money were not dying as much. And when you add all that together, with the preexisting, the north and the south and the financial crisis and italy and greece and the least in the west and immigration and then the fight, the nato countries have thus number funding of the alliance. I think the e. U. Has taken a big hit. W call Henry Kissinger right now, do call the president of the e. U. And definitely speak for italy or greece, does he speak for germany. I dont know. You have not sorted that out. I think theres going to be a lot of pressure in the union to invert more to a model of the original european common market. It stopped trade barriers, encourage freetrade within the european nation but dont have an e. U. , china tell a Person Company inches of banana has to be a banana. That type of simple control i think. Bill hello doctor hanson, do you think this will create a generation similar to the golden generation. This crisis affect the toughness of our current generation. Victor when we talk about the greatest generation, we characterize that like to send expenses pretty 9029 1939 and that was a dedicated and they then they fought a world which cost 70 Million People. Almost 500,000 americans. And dont see this crisis lasting as long as those two crises are taking as much life from a much smaller population pretty but what i do think it will do, get a dose of reality to the average american in the sense. Theres an excellent potential effective life that when you get up in the morning, whether you will live the next day depends on the food you get, the water you drink, the sewage that is disposed, and the fuel that warms your apartment so right now, whats important to you is not Michael Bloomberg financing Chinese Companies half of whom were communist to get the western liquidity for them to be viable to get a big cut out of it and to lecture us that china is a consensual society of farmers dont have enough grain and they dont have the skill of people. That is irrelevant. In fact is less than irrelevant and is dangerous giving that not even take, that thinking with the chinese. We want people to know how do, takes a lot of gray matter with the way tomorrow in manhattan, depends on somebody over here getting that crop to market and a trucker from bakersfield driving all night and then stalking that supermarket. I think it will be a much greater respect and honor for muscular labor and for people who we felt was the losers of the globalization. They didnt understand there was a global market. I think we will see that if you want to make a ventilator, you want a pharmaceutical one head of lettuce, and you will rely on american maybe, just maybe you didnt think was that important to the Global Economy and youth of the Global Economy was everything and it turned out, when you look at the Global Economy whether it was the model, the World Health Organizations for chinas, roll it was not too good and what was good was the guy driving all night on the interstate and the guy out there looking out over the potato harvester or the young kid that is willing to go into the Grocery Stores stand there with a thousand customers every day and be exposed in three and sell you things. I think that will be very positive. Bill Victor Davis Hanson has written a lot of book, first global conflict, fought and won. The next question comes from kevin and he writes quote, and drug comparison to the dark days of world war ii, and they do a better job of communicating about the sacrifices than a known how we can better carry on today. Victor think so. The secret to roosevelt success is that he had the gift; to forsyth. So we woke up on september 8th and he sold mr. Roosevelt, the zeros much better plane than anything we have printed better than wildcat, and by the way are torpedoes are substandard. By the way have a more carries in the pacific than we do by the way, theyre just about ready to take over all of the european colonies where in indonesia, southeast asia, it will take singapore, they cannot take the philippines. Roosevelt was able to say, yes but, this is with the United States is capable of in world war one. But 2 Million People in the year and a half and landed them in france without losing one in the middle of the world epidemic. And we eventually produce then dinner allies put together. We can do that again this will be for the unused capacity. He knew that and he was able to nurse us along. This is what we are going to do. And that he never said at midway, he said this is basically the end of the beginning. There will be more and more setbacks as we perceive, we are on a learning curve. And then suddenly we wake up and 42 as a by the way, we are producing 27 carriers in each one, 30 percent bigger but we are going to pay for it erasable how are we going to pay for it. He said everybody just after home. And they are working 20 hours a day and creating real wealth and will build one every hour. And by the way, will have a new b29 that has 50000 new parts. Thats in the cockpit alone. It was just a different attitude. The confidence, i think thats what we have to do. After we get used to this virus and what we have done, is to go out and conquer it. Im amazed at all of these people that we thought had lost the american spirit, theyre experimenting with ventilators, with off label drugs, theyre in competition to see which person to get the vaccination first. It is starting to happen like that. It is pretty amazing. I just went down to a market and i was talking to a guy, i said how long have you been here he said six hours printed in us and you will be done into any snow i have eight more hours. I said are you going to get the virus pretty salerno. He said theyre going to be a plastic barrier tomorrow. This 90 days into it. And rather than damning everybody, is looking forward to it. So theres a lot of people that still have that spirit. Bill donna writes quote, i live in california and concerning the homelessness in california, was california not ended up like new york. We probably had it in the fall. As a possible. Victor is a very good question. Here at Stanford University, a number of epidemiologists, statisticians, try to figure that out. It just does not make sense. We have half of the nations homeless, about 180,000 homeless. We have one third of all of the nations people in public assistance. One out of every three californians whose admitted to hospital as diabetes and prediabetes which is at risk factor of covid19. We have the lowest number of nurses per 100,000 population. Most number of doctors we have the lowest numbers of hospital goods almost in the nation per thousand population. 28 percent of the population, is that poverty level, 27 percent were not born in the United States and you put all that together and people looked at california and they said, it is not in a situation to resist. And more importantly, lax, san diego, and these direct flights from china and theyre bringing in five and six and 7000 today, 15 20000 are in the United States pretty 23 direct flights and during this period to them from wuhan and so people thought, and is going to be terrible prayed and gavin newsom, i think three weeks ago said 25 Million People will have the virus. That would mean a million dead. Were little bit halfway, this prediction. I dont think we will have 25 million. We have about 17000 known cases probably hundred and 70000. So everybody wants to know what happened. Was in california is warmer. Not really, the south is warmer this time of the year. In their suffering. Is it because we are less dense than new york. Maybe. But why would we have twice the population in one tenth the death tolls. One 20th or one 30th of the caseload. In one people that will women, lets look at this a different way. Maybe after that he got and then she got, in november maybe november, december and january and february, we were exposed to the first wave. And while we didnt get the immunity gotta a lot of people, maybe ten or 15 percent of the population of the flu the cdc said, was not influence a in flu shots do not work on it. I might not have been. We were told that we had 16 outbreaks of influenza even though the cdc did not test very many of them. All we were told it is whos who did get tested, it was not influence a it might have been be. When i am getting out, desperate for explanation as they said but we had shelter in place the day that the governor enacted that. And within two days, i think us to other states and within three days, new york did it. I think is helpful but i dont think that he claims that california paradox pretty we dont know what the answer is pretty hopefully with this new anti body testing, the stanford doctors will no. Bill a crystal ball. What effect will this crisis have on this november election. How does trump have to calibrate his message. But also joe biden because you look at the history of challengers, itll get the job by saying Couldve Wouldve shouldve pretty they have to offer agendas. How do you this is affecting the elections. Victor whether we like it or not, this virus has been westernized and by that i mean every decision were modulated in the media whether you are poet organs trump. The left, the hard left they see it in the manner increasingly that Robert Mueller an impeachment or not, it will show the world but they have been claiming all along. And that the economy is only a signature issue. They feel the crash and they will win. In the right says, this was nick substantial threat but is probably not the threat that killed all those people that killed them in 1967 or even in 2017. We can handle it. That get back quicker. In the economy will recover in time for the election. The colors almost everything. I never thought we would get to this level when president says, antimalarial drugs seems to work, have an adult evidence in the cdc is taking it seriously. They will test and that becomes a trump was inspired and save lives or trump was a quack. They will kill people. But that is the level of political discourse that we have extended two. Joe biden, i think he thought, it seemed logical, had moments on the campaign trail, he did well against Bernie Sanders not last debate people thought, joe will go back to his home, he will rest, he is 77 and then he will do aside chat and to the daily rambunctious trump. In his sobriety will impress people. Willie started off teleporting and then ad hoc and then he didnt provide at least into pulled, and the insurance and additives of trump. More importantly, he started with a false premise that trump had rejected all of his medical advice. Anti scientists, just like he didnt believe in global warming. But actually, trump has accepted almost all of the recommendations from science not put biden and different situation to disagree with trump. But he is actually disagreeing with science. I will give you an example. Trump issued a travel ban on january 302,001st. Against all of the suggestions of china, the world and the World Health Organization as well. Some of his own advisors like anthony had switched rated they said it wasnt necessary. And he does that. And biden if he did that i have to be against it. So he said we can all of a sudden, it works. It stops the 20000 coming in in the next trump has demanding his africa, and connecting flights ten days later, europe connecting flights, and biden sort of mumbles, you cant have that either in the knees in a dilemma. How do i explain that to criticize something that i now endorse. Boy meant that he used the world chinese virus. So now he is saying i wouldve had the band. While i wouldve done it earlier. And so what is that mean. Present biting what is said, i will stop all Chinese People coming in on january 10th but i wont call them chinese. I was that. It gets into a fantastical and surreal. Somebody needs to do, is just be empirical look at trump and when trump does something well, policy his advice or rejects that advice, he said i would do the same thing. In the long run it would do as well. On his attack on every single thing that trump does. In the same thing about criticizing biden. He loses his train of thought, and sentence structure. But sometimes he is very clear. And so cant say will he is demented. They can say that he has bouts of it. And they seem to be increasing. But you dont want to say that he cant string together a sentence because sometimes you can. You have to be empirical know these things. Bill we have one last question from timothy printed doctor hansen, im reading a book of award like no other and you speak to how we have pulled back from defending the farmland in response to the spartan strategy to write out the work. Then appear to be once attainable strategy for them printed honey think the americans response to covid19. In trying to restart the economy. Victor i think the question is worried that we are creating a culture that we did not intend. The longer americans are sheltered home, and the longer we have some compensation, we will lose the causeandeffect relationship that you go out and work, and that creates capital and money and when you said home, you are not creating goods and services, you in the country at large are impoverished and you cant just print money. And you create a take culture of complacency. And you get it fear of the virus. What you want is a sense of defiance, youre going stable as soon as we get these antibodies testing, we will see if this virus does not kill three out of every 100. It will probably kill one or two out of every 1000. If its like the flu, and we went through this and 2009 in 2017 flu, our grandparents and parents survived and 57 this what we are going to do and then you know what, theres cheap gas and the interest wont go right back into it. That is the attitude that youre going to have. Im worried that the longer we get into this attitude, the more complacent we become in the lesson more timid and frightened we become. You can start see it, when i start to see certain areas that i got to, people even though the rates of death have not met the modelers expectations, people are becoming more pessimistic because the media focuses on the young man who was 22 years old and suddenly died three days. Rather than the person who is 86 and had congestive Heart Failure and diabetes and lived. Nesta scarified. As rare exceptions in its sensationalized that the normal tragic caseload is not. I think we have to be that way. We have to let counties and states, adapt. That will create optimism. We hear a governor, or bold mayor or county board, say you know what, were going to be hygienic, social distancing, and mask going to go out and work and others will follow suit. And we will have a chain reaction. Bill im certain the audience has questions as well. So is only appropriate that you get to ask or say. Victor we dealt with it in 57 and 2009 and in 2017 and 18. I know that the experts tell us that they coronavirus is different because it has the potential to be much more infectious and much more lethal. But one of the people that we work in 2009 or even and 17. We proceeded at a geometric rate as well. Were better connected, we have better information, we have more medical protocols, we have a worldwide race right now to find not just vaccination but an effective antidote. 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