[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] okay, folks. Okay, folks. If we could, could you grab your seat. Grab a cup of coffee. If i could get my panelists to sit down, well get started. Quite a crowd. Well, good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to our August Mitchell institute forum. Today our subject is the next Generation Air dominance for engad and for those of you i havent had the good fortune to meet yet, im the dean of Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Power studies and were pleased to have with us the president of the air force association Lieutenant General bruce wright. Amongst a whole set of distinguished visitors, to include general mike lowe, former vice chief of staff of the air force and first commander of air combat command. Weve got an expert panel with us today to discuss this topic. Say, again . [laughter] theyre all youngsters, sir. [inaudible] anyway, weve got a great panel this morning to discuss this topic and we planned the session to ensure that theres a lot of feedback and discussion, but before i introduce our panelists what i thought id do is offer a couple of remarks to set the stage for the discussion. Air superiority, the ability to deny enemy forces access to key portions of the sky, is today a bedrock mission for the department of defense. Everybody over there in each one of the services understands that the viability of soldiers and marines on the ground, ships at sea, space and cyber installations, logistics lines are fundamentally dependent on this mission. Americas air superiority and incapacity, however, is becoming more challenged and while all the services contribute to this mission, the vast percentage is executed by the air force, which say its spider aircraft inventory cut by half in the years since the cold war. Fifth generations fighters f2 prematurely canceled and an f35 was delayed. The result is gaeriatric air from carter and reagan era well past. And the fighter increase with nearly three decades of nonstop deployment to the mideast. Remember, the air force has been at war since 1991 not just since 2001. Meeting the sustained tempo with decreasing supply of aging aircraft have pushed both pilots, support pnnersonnel and aircraft to the brink. The result is increasing risk for the nations defense. The engad program is therefore especially important because its a means of approach for air superiority with assets necessary to prevail in the information age. Every aircraft sitting on a fighter ramp today was designed before the smartphone redefined the way we gather, process and share information. These same trends have had an impact on modern combat operations. Just as a land line is of diminishing value, so, too, are the vast percentage of aircraft that compromise our inventory. And designs from the early 60s and late 70s. The engad program represents a crucial need to reset the nations air superiority force. Now Design Concepts are still classified, but its expected that stealth enabled superiority, advanced Electronic Warfare capabilities, robust sensors, processing power, and the ability to share data in a realtime collaborative fashion will stand as key attributes. Its also likely that engad will not be one specific aircraft. Rather, it will compromise a system of manned and Unmanned Aircraft to integrate network teeming and desired mission effects. Regardless of the system specifics, its critical that the engad program move ahead as scheduled. That said, budget cuts recently enacted by the House Appropriations defense subcommittee targeted the air forces next Generation Air dominance program and theyre putting the future of the nations air superiority at risk. As the office of management and budget recently explained and i quote, this 50 reduction in funding would result in a threeyear slip in advanced Development Timelines and the advancements of Critical New Technology programs, unquote. While some may question the cost of the program, its important to ask a different question. Whats the cost of not securing the sky . Victory is simply impossible without it and countless lives put at risk. Taken in that like, the hack to some of this Program Stands as the unaffordable path forward. With that said, let me introduce our panelists and lets get on to hearing their perspectives. On to my immediate left is retired Lieutenant General john do dog davis and he served as commandant as the last command. In the course of his career hes flown over 4500 in the f5 and fa18 and also the deputy of Cyber Command so hes fully aware of what the networks are about and cyber is about. Today hes an independent consultant and National Commander of the marine corps aviation association. Sitting next to him is Major General mike fanman fantini, the air force fighting capability. And in this position he leads air force for design capability and development for future air force concept. He served as a swng commander more than 32 hours in the mt and and major dave cooler crum. Hes in the acquisitions arm responsible for directing and programming more than 159 Fighter Bomber and missile Weapons Program an air force Weapons School graduate in the f15 and commanded an f22 squadron and wing along with multiple strategy and requirement staff on the joint staff, secretary of Defense Staff and at the United States air force. So what were going to do today well have general fantini kick off followed by general u of m c and wrapped up by general davis. Fanman, over to you. Thanks everyone for showing today and to afa for hosting, and mitchell in particular for their advocacy. As the director of war fighting integration, i tend to swim in a deeper pool of the concept side of the house and thats probably where ill drop my proverbial anchor there to give a tip of the hat to the Naval Services and navy and marine corps. Were in increasingly competitive environment with russia and china as they present this Global Challenge to our nation. The really interesting thing ive not seen in 33 years the Department Come together and centered on a document of this National Defense strategy that has allowed us to focus on this near peer competitive space. Make no mistake about it, we need to continue to execute our Core Missions of homeland defense, foundational nuclear deterrents, prepare and be able to defeat that peer adversary while holding another one at bay, and then finally, continuing to engage in the countering violent extremist challenge. And that is a tall feat. We will not be able to accomplish that without the ability to continue to control the skies. And as i thought to prepare my remarks, i kind of harkened back to 35 years ago when folks would say, engaging the enemy one at a time was the finest air superiority. As ive matured in my thinking throughout that time, i came to realize that the enemy got a vote and weve learned from that and the reality is that air superiority is going to give us the freedom of maneuver that enables our joint forces to execute whatever mission our nation asks us to do. So without that ability to conduct that mission of air superiority, unless we really understand how were going to pull this together from the multidomain operations perspective and the true ability that we have a vision more of connecting any sensor to any shooter, of any service, across any domain, when were able to realize that and maintain that decision superiority every our adversaries, we will be able to accomplish air superiority at a time and place of our choosing and more importantly, its really a conversation of how we are creating air space and cyber superiority at a time and place of our choosing that allows us to gain that freedom of maneuver in the air domain. So the next generation of air superiority flight plan, the work that went on two or three years ago, thats given us a dem template what we need for the future and resourcing these various capabilities. When you ask me as the director of war fighting integration, what do we see in the future . We see the ability to fight in from and through space. We see the ability to connect the sensor and shooting joint, all domain command and control, if you will. We have to be able to generate combat power inside and outside the proverbial bubble. And we have to be able to attack from a distance and the reality is, were going to blend these things together. When we talk about the mission of air superiority, we are talking about bringing these things together in a multidomain operation for that freedom of maneuver. And then obviously, we have got to figure out against how the adversary is producing capabilities to counter ourselves, or to counter our nation, is how do we do the sustainment and logistics side of the house. And thats why when you talk to air superiority, you talk cyber superiority and space superiority, we look at it now from a holistic perspective of a enterprise approach which is why my organization stood up. We see this as an enterprise challenge. We dont want to have a conversation of widgets. We want to have a conversation on how the highway brings any proverbial truck into the fight. And how does that do that effectively . And so right now, we plan to show our investments in pivoting to the future along those four areas that i talked about, space, multidomain, command and control, ability to generate combat power and we have to do this with Logistic Support under attack and thats where we see the division of air superiority of these things pulling together. With that im happy to hand over to my friend, Major General cooler crum. Thank you. And also, good morning everyone as well. I look out in the crowd, i see friends, mentors, icons and remember statute of limitations on anything that may have said or done in the past, a special thanks to general wright, and the general for hosting us, sirs. Thank you for what youve done, your service and your continued advocacy for air power in the things that we do and its great to be here with you for this venue. I do have to tell you though, i was asked by general wright would i come and talk. I was thrilled to do so and honored to do so, but what i forgot was what is the speech topic assignment part of the ask. And so i felt like i was back in eighth grade when i was the last one to the teacher and my book report had to be on war and peace. So when you talk about next Generation Air dominance, thats the sort of magnitude, and certainly theres nothing i could say in a short period of time that would encompass it. Well give you kind of our thoughts on what our vision is for air superiority in the futu future and where were going. What is engad, it is not a thing. It is not a platform, it is not a substitute. Next generation of air superiority is a networked, connected family of systems that works together to get after the things we need to get after for our nation to ensure air superiority. It is not one thing. It is a multitude of things and so when you see us pursuing engad, what we are pursuing is a multiple number of technologies and capabilities that we can bring to bare bear in the way that general fantini talked about, from air, cyber, land, sea and space. All of that connected is what we want it to be. And the other thing that we know about what engad will be is that it will be constantly evolving. There is no more flag in the sand and for the next series of decades weve ensured air superiority for our nation. Its going to be constantly changing. The chief talks about the ps of next generation of air dominance. We know that whatever we bring to bear we have to penetrate, penetrate in stealth, speed, in quantity, overwhelming the enemy. It has to persist. Loiter, endurance, it means air, cyber, able to persist inside the enemys defenses and i tell you, it has to protect. It has to protect itself, maybe it has to protect others. So weve got to build this network of systems together and then it has to proliferate and proliferate does not mean ness ly quantity. By connecting people and connecting the different capabilities we have together those cross the network and make it stronger. And it has to be able to punish. Air superiority means being able to take over the battle space from the enemy and do that. And the way that we are thinking about this is, again, not a single platform or single theme, but a network that everything connects. Everything that shares data, and so people talk about, well, does that mean only new things . It does not. It means everything contributes, and everything brings something together and its changing the way we design, build, test, train and sustain these new technologies. And when we talk about those and youve heard my boss, dr. Roper, the chief of air force acquisitions talk about a sentry series ideas. And the sentry series of ideas rooted in what we did in the 50s and that is we built a series of different airplanes just to prove out. Weve got the same mindset when it comes to developing capabilities, but its not airplanes, its technologies. Its rapidly being able to innovate. Its using digital design, modeling, assimilation, so people talk about well, the sentry series built a number of airplanes that werent very good as well. Well, if we do the right way of digital modeling and digital simulation, what we can do is rapidly prototype and look at what different capabilities and designs can do in that digital model and we can go and fail and succeed in the Digital World very fast and where things are promising, then we rapidly move to prototyping. And the promise of digital engineering and modeling and assimilation, is we can look at things not just in the design phase, but in the Production Phase and in the sustainment phase so we can take a good look at what different parts and different components will mean. I will tell you that too often we look at just the production numbers of a system. But its the sustainment of that system that cost us in the long run. And we know we have to do this because of all the things that like the general talked about, technology is moving very rapidly and if no one believes, i hope, that todays technology is going to be the same five years from now, three years from now, maybe six months from now. So how do we Design Capabilities and systems that are rapidly upgradable . They are modular in nature . What we know is weve got to be able to do this on a very quick cycle. Why were so excited about digital engineering and when we look at those things and weve laid out the scope, what we know is, we have to have that on government Reference Architectures that allow us to take the best and brightest of all of our Industry Partners and integrate quickly into those systems. Next generation of air dominance is not a thing, its not a truck, its a series of capabilities and technologies that were developing to work together. Theyre connected and the highway is what gets us going. And when we look to the future, the future is not as general just said or you did, fanman. You know, the old mentality was oneonone engagement. Engad is not a one for one replacement for fighters or anything else, its a system of things designed to complement. Ill turn it over. Can everybody hear me . Dave, thank you very much for inviting me from my mountain lair in north idaho. And my coming out two years up there and thankful for what the Mission Institute does, basically tell a story, have a forum for open debate and share ideas and working on getting this right. Its interesting, too, the marine corps is not, i would not say actively involved in the engad program, but we viewed f35. Im not speaking for the marine corps, im speaking as a private citizen we need to get this right. We live in trying times and frankly for a long time. When i was a young guy i was with the british near the german border. We were ready for the cold war to be a real war and i learned a lot about what potential high attrition combat was going to be like. It wasnt an air force fight, it wasnt an army fight, it wasnt a marine fight, it wasnt a it was going to be a coalition fight and everybody was going to play. I learned a lot. I learned a lot in preparing for that fight and also when i worked for the general after that, basically the wars that flowed from the end of the gulf war, you know, with the general used to call the stepchild chechnya. And one thing has a student of history and ive had a chance to read quite a bit in the last few years, we really suck at predicting the future. Were terrible at that. But we at this desk up here, i used to, these two gents to my left do now and all of us as citizens have a responsibility to be ready for the fight that looms at our bow. And since we cant predict what that can be, we need to be ready worst case. Protect our freedom, our friends, our way of life. I feel strongly from that as a retired person and talk from that advantage point Going Forward here. So the marine corps is involved in an f35. I brought that program in and its doing well. Its doing well and i would say what were looking we dont look for a straight fighter we look for a fighter that serves a variety of customers and we, like my friends at the table here we fight as a team. A slightly different focus sometimes, but ours is Marine Ground task force and we try to optimize that and its a joint construct in many ways. In order to do that we have to plug in the air force, the navy, the army and our coalition partners. We believe were the force that has to be most ready when the nation is least ready, knowing that people can pontificate about having the future suitcase, we know what its going to be. We know thats not the case. We have to be ready for the worst. And we invest and continue to invest and i check with the commandants plan and guidance and the marine requirements folks, Generation Force. Were pressing down that road. We will be at a fifth Generation Force, solely in a fifth Generation Force in the 2030s. Were training squadrons and weve been Forward Deployed multitimes fa211 and vmfa out at sea as we speak today in locations. For us, any kind of a next Generation Air dominance frankly, we think we are going to fly the f35 for a long, long time. Were looking just like my friends said at a capability more like an iphone, right, upgrading capabilities and making sure that capability has what to takes to fight in the he battles that loom at our bow. The airplane, they want to be a good fighter, to be a good fighter, its got to be a good killing machine, correct . And a good strike platform for us as well. And we want it to be able to do Electronic Warfare, thats with unarea we look for growth in the f35, as a stand in jammer not a standout jammer. Why do i say that . More and more we went from Single Mission platforms to multimission platforms, like dave said theyve got to do a little of everything. Why is that . Because things happen and your plan, if youre going into the high end and going into a target air and penetrate and your your support assets arent, you have to get the job done. You have to protect the guys on the job and solve the Critical Mission and bring the platform to fight another day or later that day so we like to be able to do more. We believe is being ready for the worst fight youve got to have an airplane that can penetrate in the environment and survive. Not only survive but prevail and dominate as best you can. On centers, right now the f35 has incredible sensors and talking to the folks operating out there, its the smartest kid in class for some time. And not only to be a good shooter, a good sensor, a better sharer. I think the airplane could be a better sharer than it is right now and thats the taxpayer. And once our customer, generally its an infantry officer sees what it can do and they want some of that as well. And thats an engineering challenge and were working on that hard to make sure that system can sense and can xeon a can shoot and kill and protect, but also it can share that information because i think the best kind of airplane ive been reading a lot about Second World War and our Army Air Corps in the Second World War and the step change that the mustang brought to protecting the bomber fleet. Amazing. It started off not so great and put a rolls royce motor in there and it changed the course of history, i think. The bottom line, you want that your participation in the fight out there to make everybody better. I think ma mustangs in world war ii made everybody better and certainly made them they could get in and out and to the fighter belt. Making everybody better and if its with a fifth Generation Airplane or engad, you want to be use your sensors to make other players more effective or have other players reach in and make you more effective. Im really energized by what i see, what the f35s are doing. Before i left duties and our air force and army are doing with the airplane right now. Bee basically did experiments and tests with cruisers and shooters with missiles and targeting what the ship couldnt see at f35 could. And thats a game changer and allows our forces and our nations as a joint fight to project power more effectively just so you would say we have to power project. We have to get there, win and get home. Allowi allowing navy to be better shooters if the airplane allows that to do that with censors. And also with our ground base far as, high mars and guiding to Weapons School, basically its a high mars rocket and providing for that to go through long range killing. In the new comment, i was asked to long range fire, 350 nautical files. The f35 will be critical in providing those fires. More on Electronic Warfare side and thats not just as we see it, but the electronic surveillance and the Counter Measures as well. I also think, too, as we talk about logistics and networks im sorry, the army officer did, i think theres an orange flag we just did, is that correct . Where we basically f35s were targeting for the aimd for the United States army. Great synergy and you put that airplane and the systems in the hands of war fighters, the young guys and gals out there, their ingenuity. I talked to one the other day and he said out at sea weve just weve just started to unleash the capability of the airplane. I would say if you have a production line, i went down to the lockey plant at us off the stick with an f15, f35s and had a number. I cant member thousands built. I asked the people, what did you plummet building when you started that airplane . It was like 960. Maybe 3000 is too low i dont know but bottom line is we ought to be building these in making these as cheap as we can and keep the cable people bill that airplane for us focus on cost, drive, try to raise numbers up, cost of ownership down so we can afford them and go dominate like we need to. On the logistic side the marine corps bought this airplane that can land on a short strip or amphibious ship or small carrier. Why . Its about making sure we have wider coverage, fighters i think ranges is an important factor but for the marine corps it was relative. We wanted our range to be close to where we could fly from sea bass, support our guys on the ground. Also we found ways to air refuel so we can extend our range but we have not figured out how to rearm just yet. Bottom line is basic posture allows us to drop down on a ship or a forward base, rearm quickly. We do like nascar, when i do with f35. F35 we dont shut the motor down. We rearm and get back in the air again, upping our sortie rate making smaller number seem like its more. The other thing i will say is, i came back from a two year reunion. I think the future fight will be not only a joint fight but a coalition fight. You need allies, friends. Really super jazzed we havent airplane in the marine corps they can land on short phase, can land on amphibious ship but also we will deploy with the Queen Elizabeth on her maiden voyage. That amazing thing our nation would do that and my marine corps would do that. But also it portends the ability for us to think about what a joint fight, a coalition fight would look like in future we need every bit of real estate to power project. I think what our plan would be, would be what i would ask is extracting every ounce of capability out of the f35, making it as cheap as we can to buy and sustain a maximizer combat capability without particular platform. Make it the best rent out there for the guys on the ground, and the guys at sea. Thanks. Okay, folks. Thanks very much for your perspective. If i could summarize at a macro level, i think a common theme amongst all of our participants is that in the future, whatever the next big thing is, the underlying foundation is ubiquitous and seamless sharing of information. Were going to have as mentioned in my remarks were going to have older Generation Airplane for a long time. Of those have to be able to fit into the equation as well. General davis mentioned imports of allied interoperability. We also have to come up with a system of systems that makes it seamless to plugin to our allies. Lets transition to the discussion phase of our panel, and let me get them warmed up with a couple of softballs for you all come to then come on board with a little harder pitch. Ive never heard you pitch a softball question. [inaudible] this is for all of you. What attribute or attributes do think would be the most significant change for the next generation of aircraft . I i wont limit it to fighters. Ill just say aircraft. Open to any of you. I think the biggest changes from the beginning, it connects, and it connects with everything. And that means not only developing those technology for whats coming but going back using Software Defined radios and communications being able to link all that together. Because no matter what it is a what things we bring to bear, the combined sum is more than the parts. Thats what we know. And so anything that we do has to connect. It has to share. It has to learn and it has to be able to take that data from wherever we gather it and then apply for the punishment. Ive offer probably half the folks who have experienced this. If you dont have Situational Awareness, you die, right . Doesnt matter if it is an f5, you may be flying the most souped up capability airplane that you had to offer. If you have Situational Awareness, you die. And so that kind of in my mind is an attribute that general krumm just described to the ability to connect, and right. You could look through the evolution of systems that haven putting air combat aircraft over the last 30 years and you wonder why some of these folks are greening, and you came back with her tail between your legs. And then you got, i got this little multifunction display and it presented a line. Wow, gives me a lot of i like that. It took us forever to get it. Thats the challenge, right . In my humble opinion it Situational Awareness, but weve got to be able to iterate. Can i borrow your iphone . This is the overused analogy. Can i have your ipad . I mean come in my mind what we need is an ipad that can change overnight, right . That we can suck electrons and can suck Situational Awareness out of the battle face. That includes information from cybercom what happened in the cyber realm. Thank you, sir. Using the abuse analogy of the ipad now. Covering up is the overused analogy for the iphone, but in able to suck that Situational Awareness up and make realtime changes that affect what goes on the next day or the next hour, because right now were waiting, waiting weeks and months and we need to be in the minutes and hours perspective. So there you have it. I think i concur with both these. I would say as i think about connecting and networks, it is incredibly important. The next airplane need to make sure it needs to connect everybody, connects with some very well now. It needs to connect with more, more effectively as we roll up future iterations. I also know from my time at the Cyber Command networks are also going to be, your adversary will try to take that network away from you. Networks can reform. We need to make sure we have Resilient Networks that can take a hit, reform but also goes back to the multimission platform. If the adversary is successful in the 90 that network, having multi disparate platform, both kinetic and nonkinetic, the electronic side of that is important. Theyre taking the network away still allows our platform to get the work done for the folks come for me, for the joint force commander to bring folks home. The last thing i would say on speed, i have worked as a consultant now for two years and i did in the commercial sector. Ive been with the company out of silicon valley. Speed is really important. We have to be a lot faster. I would say ill use the iphone and lg. We want to be more like apple and what we are right now. If i have a new capability i want to integrate it quickly, not weight. The open architecture which is pretty proud, we started a long time ago, allows me to integrate new systems on airplane very, very quickly. That has to be something that speed, the new idea i cant take four years to get an airplane. The new i. T. Has to get on an airplane quickly. Thanks. Very good. We have a lot of folks you so lets transition to hear whats on your mind. Questions from the floor . Yes, sir. Please state your name, rank and serial number and how you are before you ask the question. [inaudible] [inaudible] within the cynicism that will be Something Like an f22 monolithic style platform that could perform the full range of missions or the 2030s and 20 \40{l1}s{l0}\40{l1}s{l0}, stealth and directed Energy Weapons and so forth. Is that gone now . Has that been removed from the concept of next Generation Air dominance . Augmented with a century Style Mission specifically maybe multimission but not the full range that would look at f22 or f35 to do today . You know, why was that change made . What is it about the future of warfare, if that is what took place, that rolls out that kind of platform that weve known for the last 50 years . I have an opinion. [inaudible] okay. Steve, thanks. Heres what ill tell you. We would be negligent as airmen if we were not looking at everything. And so what ill tell you is theres nothing we are not looking at. But the focus and so far in the past has been on a platform or a thing. We really broadened the discussion. The general general has letters multidomain concept where there is no one thing thats going to cure everything. And so we are going to look at a point. We are going to look at unmanned, manned, cyber, space. Were going to look at everything we have to do because what we know is the network of things. And its not that the older systems are not going to be a part of that. We are going to bring them in. The new systems have to be a part of that as well. But as we go forward, it takes a long time to replace our systems, and thats where the chief is. He knows were going to be fighting a combination of our older with whatever comes next. As we merge those together is where we think we need to go. What what weve really been trying to do and we know this from the work general fantini and his folks have been doing, the futures connectivity a network. Its not just one thing. It doesnt mean there will not be trucks on the highway, but the highway is more important than the trucks. Steve, your question denoted a one or 80, that we make that decision and to reinforce for what general conger said. To correct the record is not a one or 80, right . We have investments that we have and will continue to maintain we need to improve those which is part of the air superiority 2030 flight plan execution as well as looking at what that future brings. Certainly there would be a widget, you know, but that widget, like a major part of that widget which it needs to n open mission system. It needs to incorporate uci. If those are not the specific technical and acquisition of the concept of being able, right w our systems are not open. It took us me so long to get at of my multifunction display. We want to be able to do that at scale and speed. Conceptually, right . We want to be able to kill to close thousands of kill change in hundreds of hours. Thats what we will have to do. John . [inaudible] congress is notoriously skeptical things that are labeled systems and they just took half a billion dollars out of ngad so that approach didnt work. What is your poster child, what is your strategy, what is plan b to get this funded and convince congress this is the way we need to go . You are hup. [laughing] thats true. For the the you dont know, general fantini is the godfather of aqp several cycles ago. What allstate is were going to talk to congress all i will say is going to talk to congress. Weve got to do really good job of articulating to congress what that really means. This mindset of family assistance, youre right, theres some scar tissue in the past from that. But we know that networked systems are the weight of the future, and developing these technologies in parallel to go on old, new systems, designing what comes into the fight that we have is going to be key for us. It was the way of the future but we are going to engage with congress to show them that our path ahead and when we go. In my analogy, its probably a poor one, is twitter. So the app should we use the ipad . The app, twitter and what is 140 characters or and may have doubled in the past, what does that do some has the twitter app . If one person has it. Not much. If 100 people have it, not much. But when thousands, hundreds of thousands of people have twitter, the way it connects, we are sharing data where someone see something, someone can verify something, someone can add to the conversation. Anywhere and everywhere the data is accessible by millions. Thats the vision that we see. All these platforms are connected. And it brings a piece of the puzzle that will looking for. And so the rest of the systems, they are all connected, fill in the rest of the puzzle piece and pass the data back and forth. Thats the family assistance. We know that the future because we see it in our daytoday lives and is the same for warfare. Let me also preview, number one we have to go fight, right . Weve got to go fight for whats right. So why my organization stood up was exactly this challenge of kind of disjointed messages, if you will, that folks kind of, i really dont understand what you mean by that. Talk about how we going to do that . I wake up every morning. In fact, i a rock today on, the company said my gosh, there is another multidomain command and control person and its needs e brought into the fold, right . The beautiful thing, what were going to try and do is as we stand a Cross Functional Teams that take on these challenges, that has this centralized leadership, if you will, that extends from old at him in old at him in command and control, extends into the air superiority 2030. Whos responsible to shepherd these enterprise programs or this enterprise things youre looking at them. So one of the things thats been confusing to a lot of folks as well is i dont really understand this and i really dont understand advanced battle management. I really dont understand next Generation Air dominance. So what we see in future is this Cross Functional Team having leadership that goes to the hill and explains exactly what we mean. We need to have a lineage of what were talking about from lines of effort the coaster program element. So that we can go heres what, this is what im talking about. This is why that particular pot of money is targeted towards this line of effort and do need to show progress towards that so thats what i would offer is that is one of iraqs weve got to put in our bag with respect to ngad. Good morning. To achieve this tech Generation Air dominance what does the next generation women look like . For example, what skills need to be added or strengthen, what bad habits need to be lost . To achieve office requires a human being so how do we get a better human being to help . I feel passionately about this. I have secular tenet santini rendering around right now. I have a cadet at the air force academy at another that is threatening to go on rotc. We have got to enable our young folks come people with gray hair and no hair like you see at least here, we have the authority. Weve got to push authority down. These young officers, young airman, they love the multitask environment. They love to code. Dont look at me, but we need to empower them and unleash them. A future airman might look like a Software Engineer thats able to go, you know what, thats able to sit with an operator and company i dont like what i did yesterday, can you help me . Often yes, i can make that happen. In my mind that type of pivoting into the future and getting digital air force where we see and women with those types of skills. I have cadet in rotc as well. Heres what i will tell you. The people come into our air force, which stated event of who they are. They are used to this. They are connected. They demand to be joined up and collaborative and energize with each other. And we bring them in and we tend to put stovepipes about what they can do and where they go. We have just got to take advantage of who they are. They grew up this way. And so our air force needs to take advantage of that. I think her airman in the future exactly who they are today. We just need to utilize that. [inaudible] i would say from the joint side, we have probably the best generation of young people in uniform weve ever had. Its just a source of great pride for me and everyone that knows these folks how good they are. Same thing, you want to empower, equip them. Given the tools. Thats not a boy girl thing. Give them the tools to succeed. Also, one of things you talk about going fast and eating capabilities, there are relatively and patient people. They are used to picking up technology and having instant access and say well, they dont understand cycles, notice most of the customer. I think the joint force, how we better empower the people to use the gear we are developing, designing in the ability to pull information off, make again, whatever comes a point we put in the sky, manned or unmanned, how we can parse everybody in the battlefield to be more effective. Thats what theyre used to with technology. I think thats what they are going to demand from us. Thank you. John harper with National Defense magazine. Can you flushed out are you looking at the army model with the set up cfpbs to pursue their priorities . Can you say when this might be established and how many there might be, what categories they would be in charge of . Absolute. And so we began to stand up right now. We are a kind of skiing in the wake of the army, if you will, in terms of learning where they been under proverbial journey. My organization is kind of, theres elements of equivalency in various areas not exact with army futures command. Weve set up a multidomain command and control Cross Functional Team. Really and filed with the joint and coalition interagency pieces, and really working closely with the acquisition executives architect to make inroads, and theres a lot of framework and structure and that effort. We set up a position navigation tiny Cross Functional Team. In total we plan a standing up ten under that was the rock i turned over this morning. I found out dod cio or u. S. Di, partly, u. S. Di has a crosscultural team as well, which is fine. Were not brand. We dont have a brand or patent crosscultural teams. Its the ability to synchronize better. I want to take a past the buzzword aspect of it and really what across when chilled team needs to do is then youd understand what problem theyre trying to solve. They need to understand and write down a strategy how they want to get that and then the need access to leadership. And not to start. They need access to 4star, undersecretary level, leadership within our department and if you template that larger within the defense department, to get top cover on yes, go do, or no, i dont like that so will change your our concept of that is user Capability Development council. I can go until 3 00 on Cross Functional Teams. I can follow up with you. We see that as a small Center Listing thats matrix across, major commands, majors across the step that a focus on the problem. And we see this as generating combat power, logistics and we see this as space can we see this insider. We expect stand the teams along those lines so it should be about ten stand up teams for the air force. You gentlemen really said ngad be a family system and that the network is most important part but can you give us some breadcrumbs about what those systems that look like . You both mention you are talking about multitudes of systems that are working simultaneously to deliver a spec. That could look a lot different than the type of construct we have right now, the type of platforms we have could you drill down a little bit, and when might we see some of his fielded . Ill take the initial hack at that. I mean, so it means hey, lets connect the f22 and f35. Lets ensure that they have the best available weapon today lets ensure that the Operations Center thats working with those platforms are aware and understand the cyber side effet are going on simultaneously and how you create synergy there. The quarterbacking analogy the general excuse in terms of information coming from space thats a student with an f35 quarterback thats communicating with an army grant element that could be supported with a subsurface capability, the ability to bring all that together. Now, in terms of specific widgets and systems, i mean, you can just template that with what we have in the Current Program of record with respect to capabilities. Thats what we kind of see moving forward in the future. I cant give you a prescription on exactly where going to roll out this system tomorrow or what have you but i dont have that granularity with me right now. Thanks very much, tremendous battle. Military imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. So what are some of things our allies are doing or our adversaries that you guys think are important enough for us to adopt . Whether its a swedish approach to data leaks, the french approach to cloud combat. What are some of these ideas the chinese and russians are working to think would give us the greatest a fax, air affects weather for the United States or its allies . I think looking at some of the weapons where developing, longrange weapons, i think some of those really good. I also think how they are looking at some of in the arrangement of Ballistic Missile threat, how theyre thinking that distributing divorce and operating out there, i think those are some of the big things. Im a Big Coalition warfare guy and i think asking them and learning from them is was smart. I dont have all the details but i was axing some of the stuff on longrange systems, Electronic Warfare really inspiring, breakthrough. Also in some of the ships, a particular our british allies are building that as best an incredible capability for both power projections damp wood from Ground Forces but also naval air forces. I would offer something to look at is whats the cost in imposing strategy on our potential enemies. We found success in that earlier in our history, and so we need to understand pivoting into the future what does it look like . And so i think when you look at what our potential adversaries have learned from us, we absolutely need to learn from them as well. Along the coalition lines, we need to be coalition friendly from the start. Too many times we end up kind of going all, by the way, and by then many things have technically been said or what have you. I would offer we need to get better as a department and as an air force in particular upbringing in coalition sooner. Back of the room. Yes, maam. Im going to ask about the role [inaudible] in nextGeneration Air dominance. A lot of the discussion we have heard concerns about buying more aircraft have been hit against the need for new capability, or new capacity, im sorry. Can you discuss the role of the f15 x or the possible vessel for some of these technologies and does the fourth generation, fifthgeneration argument, debate missed the point of this possibility i guess . Well, look, were committed to the f35. Lets just make sure we still say we are committed to that. What we done and we engage in congress and we are really grateful for the support weve received from congress in the fact we need to replace our aging fleet at a very rapid rate. The general talked about our fleet. Its not an aging fleet. Its an aged fleet, so weve engaged with congress to say look, we know what we need today to replace our fighters at least at rate of 72 per year. And our budget would try to get after that the best way that we could. When you talk about warfare, you notice we never talked about only the future or only does. We know were going to be fighting with a vast array of systems. Any system we have or any system that were going to get, we connect. And when you bring that together, each of the systems are going to bring a certain part to the equation. They will not bring equal parts to the equation. And so what we know in the future is a matter what it is, it connects, it shares, and then distributes the updated across each other. We will have fourthGeneration Airplanes for a long time, and we have to integrate them together. So as we look forward we know that we need to get to a better capacity and air force when it comes to our fighter force. We made that which to congress. We think they understand everything they are helping us do that, but whatever it is we have come we will make work. Okay, folks, weve come to the end of our hourlong period. Im sure the gentleman would be happy to stand around, stay about if they can to entertain a couple more questions. But before we finished i would offer for your study, if you will, a document entitled evolving technologies in warfare in the 21st century introducing the combat cloud, that explains some of these ideas of seamless sharing of information. You can find on the Mitchell Institute website. So an little plug for some of the work we have been doing out there. So i think all of you would agree that the Panel Members have done a magnificent job, d a standby to continue to help understand, help you understand this evolving concept of nextGeneration Air dominance. Please join me in thanking them for their remarks. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]