Good afternoon and welcome to the Richard Nixon president ial library. Im with the nixon foundation. Before we introduced the special guest for today i want to announce a few upcoming events. On september 7, we are going to have a cold war historian and member of the National Security council for kennedy, johnson, nixon and reagan and hes going to talk about inside the cold war from marx to reagan, the roots and history, history, strd documents of the cold war so should be an interesting historical discussion. On a similar note on october 23 we will have to historian talk about his book nixon and europe reshaping the postwar atlantic world. On september 11, 11 a. M. We will have our annual 11th commemoration and please look on the website for that at the nixon foundation. Org. November 7 we will have daughters of president george w. Bush and first lady laura bush, jenna bush figure and barbara bush and they will talk about their book sisters first, storiecome thestories from our d wonderful life. Now onto the speaker today. Douglas is the most influential Democratic Campaign consultant for over 30 years and Founding Partner and strategist. His clients include new york city mayor Michael Bloomberg and corporate clients including time warner, procter and gamble and at t and you can also see him as a frequent commentator on fox news. He is also a bit of a mix sendoff that wrote about nixons policies called the nixon effect held the presidency fundamentally changed american politics. His new book is about another presidency and the kurds look at politics today. Its called america in the age of trump, opportunities and oppositions in the unsettled world. The news political analyst Juan Williams calls its contents and noble feathers alnoble feathersr people of all political stripes effective ideas for how President Trumps america can get back to its cando spirit. Ladies and gentlemen, douglas. [applause] first of all, thank you for coming. Im going to try to do three things come hopefully successfully. Im going to try to address the current lay of the land then answer a question that is probably unanswerable but will try what would Richard Nixon do if he faced the same circumstances, and number three what does the books say, what bt does it recommend and why is it different from whats going on in washington and the country today. So those are my parameters today and i do think that to start i ought to share a little context. I was one of those and there were many who did this as well who didnt vote for a president. I worked for bill clinton as some of you may know and i just decided Hillary Clinton was a bridge too far. So on fox news i did make it very clear that i could not and whats not supporwould not suppy clinton, got a fair amount of publicity but i didnt say that i would support donald trump. Ive worked for him in a private capacity in this business. I knew him and my own philosophy and views of government is different from his, so i said im not going to get involved and not make a choice but to speak out however i believe is necessary and appropriate. Well, as i sit here today i am probably one of the few commentators you might hear or see who doesnt have an extra grind, to put another way, i didnt as i said support donald trump or secretary clinton, didnt vote for president. I am still a democrat. Theres much about th the left g and a Democratic Party tha the i cant associate myself with and theres much about the rightwing of the Republican Party but i also cant associate myself with, so im in the middle and i try to do my appearance on fox news to offer a centrist perspective and hopefully a common sense and logical perspective. I leave that to others to determine. But my book america in the age of trump tries to forge Common Sense Bipartisan Solutions to the problems we are facing and i would argue that those problems are getting worse and to a great degree they are made worse still by the Political Leadership. First, let me start with the president. I have two problems. Philosophically, i agree with a lot of what hes tried to do, and i think it is fair to say much of what he has proposed is in the realm of reason. I could disagree as i do with his healthcare plan. I mighthey might not support frm whats been released his tax reform plan. I probably would have appointed a Different Supreme Court judge, justice but lets be very clear everything the president has proposed is within the realm of reason and can be considered and negotiated and we will get to in a second what would Richard Nixon do and i daresay president nixon would have approached things very differently then president of trump. I think like a lot of people, i was heartened by the speech on monday night. He sent out a clear policy for afghanistan, made it clear where he was different from president obama in south asia generally. But when i saw what he said and did in phoenix yesterday, my heart sank. My perspective is pretty direct and simple. We are all americans and all have a common interest and if we dont pursue our common interests as americans, we all lose and that is our adversaries whether it be north korea, iran, the chinese or the russians, thats what they are hoping for is in our own way we will divide, fight among ourselves in a weekend us still. I think it was the case but secretary defends said our greatest enemy is here at home and i certainly share those sentiments and of that worldview because if we cannot get our own house in order and stop attacking, my point of view to polarize as the president does, and i say that with a heavy heart because i think most of it is unnecessary. I think what he said about charlottesville was unnecessary and not helpful. I know the man, hes not a racist or antisemite but certainly to say that there were some fine people in charlottesville and equate the leftwing protesters however offensive with neonazis and white supremacist he doubled down again yesterday is deeply upsetting but its also upsetting to me and im not going to try to quantify an ounce more or less whatever but its upsetting to me that the Democratic Party is the party of resistance. My heart sinks because i was brought up in the 60s where we had a bipartisan tradition, we did the civil rights legislation, voting rights, medicare, medicaid all done with democratic and republican bipartisanship and maybe im old enough to believe we can still do that and i would hope we could. So far though, given the way that they are operating, the chances of that are almost minimal and when i look at people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren i say to myself we are a capitalist country. We believe in free markets and liberty. We dont believe that the answer to everything is to tax the rich or believe that those that have had success in life are inherently evil and needs to be punished. That is wrong and that leaves me literally out in the cold with a level of sad us about what is happening to the country that makes me as disappointed as possible. I was hoping that donald trump would govern like Richard Nixon. If you remember the 68 campaign, and i can see some of you are old enough to remember that campaign but most not. He had a southern strategy, he talked tough a lot and got enough of the vote to win parts of the south and at least the midsouth area as well as much of the midwest. But the rhetorical strategy if you remember watch what i do and not what i say was exactly that. I argue in my book it was governed in a bipartisan way. His agenda i make the argument in the book was more liberal than much of what we see today. We see that he proposed a guaranteed annual income there was more integration done in the Nixon Administration and any other prior time and if you assess his presidency, he consistently governed in a way that was designed to if nothing else unify the country in a policy basis and for those who didnt like president nixon he did get 49 of the vote in 1972 and i think 60 of the popular vote if my memory serves me so this is a man who was a constant leader on Foreign Policy for the opening of china and the beginnings of detente this was a man who was a visionary. Sadly, we dont have that today. I hope and pray that the speech is the beginning of a strategy that involves a more assertive america and seeks to position ourselves to deal with the many threats we are facing whether they be north korea, the middle east but to me the question is still an open one. Again, speech and the right direction on monday night out with the 3900 troops will be able to accomplish, how we will be able to get the taliban to the table as the secretary said yesterday all of these are open questions. The other thing that i think in fairness to President Trump have to accept we had nothing like the north korean threat back in the 60s or 70s or even the 80s or 90s and when you have a Framework Agreement in 94, we were not facing any situation or set of circumstances where north Korea Going Nuclear with a minute. Yes we bought ten years of time, thats correct but they cheated and now we are dealing with the aftermath of that. So we face serious problems, the middle east with iran, the sunni shia rivalry which is taking a different shape. But again, we are facing challenges without a white house staff that in a lot of ways is as experienced as that which somebody like president nixon was able to bring to bear. Weve seen a great deal of turnover in the white house in the last six or seven months. I think the papers in the last couple of days i saw in the New York Times if i remember writing the wall street journal asked while i think they listed ten or 12 people who lasted less than six months. Again my point isnt to say this one should have stayed with this one should have gone up to say that if we have this kind of turnover, the loser is the United States of america because we have a government that appears and may well be inherently unstable so i am saddened by what i see, and im saddened by what my party, the democrats are giving or not going to cooperate, because we cannot address the challenges we have with the kind of political approach. In the book america in the age of trump that i coauthored with jessica, we have ten basic propositions that we addressed and what i would like to do is articulate the propositions can i give yo,give you a second to t each one and then go back through some of the solutions weve proposed in our book. And let me be very clear we make the argument if there were people of goodwill getting together as happened in the 60s and 70s, we could solve a great deal and many of the issues and challenges we face, but in the absence of that and the hyper politicization of the system where everything is a campaigcampaign events and eveng evolves in an attack ad, sadly our challenges have gone unaddressed. So, first, and i think this is fair to say the American Education system is a failure in every level and we will talk about that in a second, but i would tell you one of the experiences i had whenever i talk to immigrants and i say how was your Education System here compared to where you came from, people would extol the virtue of america and say we are there the patriots, they love this country, always say that their educational system is superior. To be sure we have some very good universities here but i would say we have a challenge to educate people and particularly in poor communities and i would just say one thing about that we are one nation whether you are a republican or democrat you cant just governed to protect minorities or uppermiddlecla uppermiddleclass. You have to be inclusive and whatever your approach and so far, again, i have yet to see a politician or Political Party take an inclusive approach to education and most issues. We have another problem that i think most of you have seen. Certainly as the appearance of a 26yearold son trying to make his way in the world coming and i see it myself, the economy to be sure is strong and its recovering but the wages are stagnant. The middleclass is hauling out and the American Dream is on lifesupport. I think many of us, certainly me grew up believing whatever we do is better than my parents. My parents were successful. Im proud of them and proud of what they were able to offer to me, that there was no sense that i would face the kind of challenges i see young people facing today and those have to do with affordability, getting good jobs and just the simple challenges we face in dealing with a very complicated world where our Education System isnt necessarily preparing people for the challenges we face are the challenges that they face. The third proposition is coming and this is something that i alluded to before, we are approaching a National Emergency of readiness and preparedness in a world of mounting security threats. Now, we wrote the book i guess about six months or a year ago. We did not anticipate precisely what happened but again you didnt have to be a prophet to figure out the challenges that trump was going to face from the russians and chinese and as i suggested to rogue nations like north korea and iran. We also have the criminal Justice System that does a good job punishing people that commit serious crimes but its also sentencing many of our young men and women guilty of less serious offenses to long sentences and doomed futures. I think we could debate the policy and approach that the attorney general sessions is taking and i certainly believe president obama may have gone too far with his pardons at the end of his second term but its also the case we have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world and one of the limited resources to both teach and train people in prison to come out and be productive citizens. Put another way we have an underclass in this country and one of the ways we are seeing it reflected is what has come to become known as the opioid crisis. Jessica and i didnt write about that in any great detail but now as we watch the media, and im pleased the president declared a National Emergency we have a think 50 are some thousand people dying every year and you run across people who are taking prescription drugs, quite apart from heroin and cocaine and waking up and finding themselves addicted to pain medication coming into anxiety medication and we dont have a han handle n how to deal with them. We dont have the resources and even if we did, we dont know how to best handle the. I think its obvious to everybody and again this was written before the fight over repeal and replace, we have a Health Care Crisis because while i would be the first one to criticize the republicans for having seven years to come up with an alternative plan its also the case that obamacare is a failure, exchanges are collapsing, insurances are pulling out and premiums are going up by doubledigit amounts or more. The other thing we have that we have not heard about much lately but it still remains a problem is and entitlement crisis. We may well have deferred that. It indicated that within ten to 15 years we could face a very serious crisis. Thertheres one other issue, actually this is my sixth point which is i think that it informs everything. There is something we were talking about at lunch today which is that theres never been a time in my memory and i think the polling bears this out but the republicans have such little faith in our institutions. Why is that . We have all seen how washington or the state governments failed us. I think that its fair to say the level of skepticism is high but theres a couple things going on that exacerbate the problem which is increasingly people are deciding what you want to serve in the government we are not getting our best people to go into government to serve. The other thing is with the internet, and a very aggressive media we live in this gotcha society can and in this society whatever youve done, however youve done it can be magnified and turned into a problem and to say to somebody give up your career, step out, leave your job, go into the administration, democrat or republican, run the risk to some degree of condemnation or excoriation for what you did and what you didnt do. Why would you do that and i ask that as a rhetorical question, but i think for many people, that is also a huge, huge issue. Another issue we isolated is that there is a crisis of values and what i mean by that is basically we were brought up at least i think virtually everyone in this room and hopefully those watching, the vast majority with a sense of right and wrong. A sense of morality, decency and integrity. Thats largely gone. We live now in a transactional society where the issue is not in my doing the right thing or not and candidly, am i going to get over the other guy. It reflects an underlying decay in the state of the country unique. I did something last night that i would urge everyone here to please consider giving just to watch john f. Kennedys inaugural address from januar january 201961. His point was our sense of freedom and liberty came not from our government although it was to be involved in promoting them around the world come about from our religious faith and belief and that was a Common Thread in our political life. I can remember as a child the pride i had him saying the pledge of allegiance and that i had watching space launches and the sense that this was a unique experiment in democracy that has nevehave never been replicated d never will be replicated. Thats what i grew up with. Most people i knew growing up had that view and i think that is all gone now. Sure we can blame president obama or president bush. We can blame lots of people but i think that the societal challenges that we face are huge and obvious. There is one other issue that one of my teachers, colleagues, friends and even employers wrote about in 1965 which is the structure of the American Family is in collapse. The late senator Daniel Patrick moynihan, a professor of mine wrote a report about the crisis of the black family. Now its not the crisis of the black family commits the crisis of the family. And i think for many of you you can recognize as you just look around kids who come from families that are single parent tend to have less good outcomes than those that are from stable families. And the number of stable families has declined from i think a sizable majority when i was growing up to a very small minority of households today. And again this is not a racial issue, it is an issue that crosses economic and political lines and again i think it is responsible in part for why we have the kind of drug problem that we do that i was eluting to. The tenth point that we make is to say the future of the american idea is very much in question. It used to be that the world accepted that we were unique, superior and offering benefits as a society and a people that arguably you couldnt find anywhere else. Now we have the retreat of america. I certainly blame president obama for that, the leading from behind, we are not special, all of that. But, to me it is a larger issue than pointing a finger at the politician. Its the sense that perhaps our culture, or our Popular Culture is to be desired, but theres not much else about america that needs to be. So those are my, jessica and by ten concerns. But he quickly summarize what he recommend and what we think is practical and then answer the question of what Richard Nixon what do. Mathematics and science needs a specialized attention. College is unaffordable, Student Loans are out of control, we need every possible kind of experiment we can have. Vouchers, Charter Schools need to be expanded. We need to expand Community Colleges and vocational training. We just have to recognize that a four Year College Experience isnt necessarily right for everyone. We need to train people for the jobs that exist, not the jobs we think that they should have. And while i think many of us have had a liberal Arts Education and profited from it, i certainly did, but its not right for everyone and we have to accept that as a society and try to organize our society as well. I think we need to understand that unless we are able to do that we will not be able to address the issues of mobility, job growth and job creation in a way that is constructive because so many people even if they believe in the American Dream believe that its often much morgotten muchmore difficult and and ultimately for many illusory but i would like to do and i think we can with some hardheaded leadership in the educational and job Training Field as we can make a real dent in that. I believe that we do need comprehensive tax reform. I think that the president from what i know is going in the right direction, but we need progrowth tax reform, not just a redistribution. Im with the administration there. We need efforts to help lower and give opportunities and to strengthen our families rather than allowing them to continue to disintegrate. I would be one of those people and please you can question me and the question to cope but i am somebody steve bannon would call a globalist and when the president said we cannot do nation building, i guess it is unpopular with. Unless we strengthen the institutions of democracy in the countries likcountries like afge will have a result likely have had in iraq where the forces of evil continue to undermine stable democratic government. In afghanistan we have the network go of television, isis. We have two strengthen governance to be competitive. We need to foster our global cooperation. I am disappointed with the withdraw. Im concerned about the renegotiation of nafta even if they are shortterm and economic benefits, but i think we need to recognize we have a serious issue in cybersecurity. We have the capacity to fight wars on that level as well as conventionally and i think that we need to be more aggressive and assertive then we were certainly during campaign 2016. Look, i just think in terms of criminal justice at we cant attack america and american institutions for mass incarceration. To see it in racial terms as the new segregation or the apartheid misses the point. Weve got to train people and give them opportunities. If they are in jail we have to give them an opportunity to be played in the right direction in terms of rehabilitation, and ultimately job training, but i dont see it as a racial issue i see it as a crisis if we cant take people who are in prison and give them a clear path to a successful life. Those programs that have had Great Success but the problem is from what i can tell they are a drop in the bucket. And i think we need more and Better Police training and community outreach. If you look at, and again im not saying this to credit though i think that he deserves a lot, my client and friend, Michael Bloomberg that a Record Number of flows. And again im not sitting here saying that its Rahm Emanuels fault, but the alienation from the police is so substantial that there is literally a crisis of societal leadership giving the exploding and expanding murder rates. So again that is something we need to do. We have to address the entitlement crisis. I believe now we need to do it with small fixes so we dont have to do big fixes with some degree of modest means testing and raising the retirement age where benefits would be available by a fe via few monthe maybe a year or so. Small fixes like that now can save the programs from the future. I also believe more choice and competition is good. As a practical matter w weve gt to do something about healthca healthcare. I would have been happy for repealing it replaced to succeed. Now we have to take what is and try to fix it with more Market Competition and efforts to make sure Insurance Companies do not pull out markets entirely. I am not an expert on health care but i do know as a matter of politics if we do not address the healthcare crisis the system could very quickly be in a complete collapse. The government has to face the crisis we see in faith and our institutions. There has to be an effort for responsiveness at all levels, from local government to the federal government there has to be an openness. There has to be a responsiveness of the government to citizens and if we can do that maybe just maybe we can turn that around. I suggest we also have to deal with the crisis and values and the family and i dont think theres too many people talking about it but unless we recognize that those are huge challenges i dont think that we are going to in a way that is fundamental i dont think we are going to change the underlining makes. I do think in terms of the vacuum and Political Leadership we need to get rid of the partisan redistricting. I think the fact that so few elections are competitive maybe 50 or 60 of the 435 house races will be competitive and im not here to sa to save time for cits united were against. I have my opinions but if we are in a situation where politicians dont campaign and just fund raise and to deal with special interests, we are doomed to fail and we have to recognize that. My final point is we have to recognize that the american ideal is at risk. We have to recognize that our position globally is eroding. Numerous commentators have spoken of that. Numerous political leaders are basically saying you are off the global stage. We have to deal with a new reality. I think that is sad and wrong but i think that it fundamentally reversible. And i also think as we sit here today, president nixon would have approached this all very differently. Looking at his record as i did in thinking about america in the age of trump as i did, president nixon would have tried to find a bipartisan solution to each and every one of these problems. He would have called the congressional leaders and he would have sought to craft bipartisan solutions. The other thing that president nixon would have done and what to do today if he would lower his voice and if you remember the first term the attack dog was the Vice President spiro agnew. Right now the roles are reversed. Donald trump is the one whos out there talking and mike pence is the quiet behind the scenes operator. Im not suggesting that he should go out there and become something he is not but rather i am suggesting the country with profit and benefit by the president delivering his voice, not attacking his own party, not just attacking the democrats, but saying how do we get this done, how do we Work Together . As i said, i was very moved on monday night by this speech. It certainly is going in the right direction. But i think that rallies further divided the country and put us in a position that we are less equipped to deal with the challenges facing our country. But, i am an optimist. Before i i made partisan orien ideologue im an american. I believe deeply in the country and the values and deeply in the west the halftime a we have dons and republicans to make this still the greatest country that has ever been put together in an assembly. I believe that the Nixon Library as an institution stands for those values and it certainly has a larger purpose getting invitations to a wide range of speakers on a wide range of subjects for a variety of different perspectives i want to make it very clear that this is the third time ive been here and it is a great pleasure to come from new york not only to be in sunny california to be here with such optimistic people whove been so patient listening to me so let me stop and open up to questions. [applause] i watched you on fox. You are very good. You are one of the few that i believe is trying to be honest but youll have to help me out here to be on the one side, being a white retired businessman fairly successful, i look on the one side and the African AmericanLibrary Company of cnn washington has no mentioning of Clarence Thomas anywhere. And on the other side, theres going to be a black lives matter exhibit and they are going to take this stuff if they can get the fidel castro jersey or something. So i am trying to see an irrational bias that with the democrats that are demonizing them, not just resisting. They are subversive by calling the average white guy successful or not. All the things they spew. So my question is when you look at howard dean and what they are saying, what good does that do the country . Not much and i congratulate you for your success. I would agree on the basic premise unless we accept that we are an inclusive country by the degree is a diversity of opinion and diversity of background in all communities, africanamerican, asian, hispanic and white, unless we do that through all our institutions, we all lose. The right to criticize the democrats, there is much i would dare say republicans could be criticized for as well. We are Americans First and of less people together we all fail. First of all, while is appreciated your levelheaded comments i give you a six of my appreciation but today you are a 10. The same with jessica for a democrat alike terabytes tarascan she had anything to do with the book. Now you are a ted. [laughter] i think you are a closet republican. [laughter] in light of what we see recently regarding the of violence is there anything that will happen in your mind to expose what is really going on and to let the huskies people to arrest them for what is going on . Who would you like to arrest . [inaudible] i must tell you that i really believe we have to do everything within the law to discourage the of violent protest we have had. I want to be very clear and i said this before. I do not save you nazi and white supremacist as the equivalent to those on the left however they are doing destructive tax. I say this as the american jew who perished in the holocaust those are so far outside the american tradition i cannot equate them but we dont need violence on either side i absolutely agree with that. I think the protest are destructive and i also think the counter protesters has been harmful to the broader cause and certainly with the cause that i believe in. Boston police wusses handled a lot better but i would like to move to a situation where we dont have weekend demonstrations week after week to focus on this sober way that i can talk about it with the problems that we have. We may differ about whos doing what but what we dont is for a bay unified United States of america. Does fox have plans to you resurrect political insiders . Nine enjoy doing the show i dont know of any plans now but i am very grateful to the entire leadership of fox do give us a chance to do the program. Most of those things that you talk about today i appreciate as a mother and grandmother and greatgrandmother somebody who worked in the schools for least 12 years, for you to have values in your home with they are not accepted or approved in the school and i will say that with everything in me because i have seen it so often. They see it early on when i worked in the schools that we are good people in all i have to do is look to each grandchild of mine raised with the same values you came out of college and different colleges and universities with a totally changed attitude toward who america is. First of all, i have a couple of reactions let me say how proud i am to meet you in this forum. Is this makes a true american and hero with family and education and this is what american makes america great. Just for leading a life the way you have. Number two i could not agree more by Charter Schools are so important. Most in part uniforms and values and attendance to be thing we grow up with taking for granted and the outcome is extraordinary. I can only say that the third issue i heard your address is what i heard you agree with. Freedom of speech but that does not go one way. It is freedom of speech possessed to whatever views that you hold. When i went to college there was some assault but now many years later i know people who are proud conservatives. Who say the following. I cannot tell people what i think because they will run me out. They are not checked ginsburg crow the knowledge to put their livelihood at risk. And then i would conclude and i am proud to meet you. How we should americans me to adopt a socialist platform to bring socialism to america . I am a proud capitalist for the free market. Free enterprise and all of that. Bin we may agree or disagree with the social safety net in that is in the context of a capitalist system and a thank you are right with this fundamental premise have then attacked by those on the of left who appeared to advocate for socialism. Senator sanders is one of them. The critique make sense but basically with those state run societys that are of the orange of foreign tent with consistent the Economic Growth i never thought the defense critic dirty living in that direction. With those that put redistribution and head of capitalism. In with the governing body to work on a common goal. If you have an answer i will be the first to campaign for you. The reason why i was so thrilled because unless a people like you and myself make the argument and speak out where it will never succeed i cannot say i have the magic formula but we have to be unafraid to bring the approach and values. With the 16 campaign. So hoodie you see those up and comers . To challenge trump in the next election . And i could give you names and not like 2007 or 2008 but that Democratic Party can provide a National Leadership and the would be the first but so far jim Bernie Sanders to i believe not withstanding his age is right and responsibility to try to be donald trump and. You mnuchin that the beginning how we are bringing to very low of one of the Top Countries is finland. With that finished educational system has adopted the 40s and 50s of a recommended progressive education movement. As said educator i use those materials to take them deserved day as far as they can go to use that scientific method. Why have they dropped a program apparently successful to come up with a field in the blank . I wish i knew in answer to the question. Why does it come from the jaws of success . I dont have a good answer to that. I wish that i did that i will speak personally but the number of people that by higher is pretty limited. So with another personal example i tried to offer internships to a diverse audience. I have had to teach some people just basic rules like show up on time. [laughter] your work on time. Do not leave your desk and tell it is breaktime lunchtime. Dont decide on thursday you need a long weekend and. I say this because jobs that require training but for goodness sakes wire removing in a way that is doomed for failure . Your question to me is largely unanswerable sadly. One repression. So with your impact on immigration. I believe there is a fairly straightforward although contentious solution. We have to protect our borders absolutely. Whatever the ideology but for the 11 Million People for those that pay their taxes and contributing to society, and to deny them a chance to become citizens. Is wrongheaded. And it is a mistake for society. I am not advocating amnesty. If they are not productive especially those committing a crime get them out. Forgets sanctuary cities. We need the rule of law in this country. [applause] but to underscore that opportunity this is appropriate for those who have already proven they can contribute to society. The interesting thing about your question the pull of the American People asking about a version of what i said youll get 55 per 60 some way or another indicating you to get a bipartisan solution this is another issue but sadly it appears it will not be resolved any time soon. [applause] we will see you next time. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]