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Org] for 40 years, cspan has been providing unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and Public Policy events from washington, d. C. And around the country so you can make up their own mind. Created by cable in 1979. Cspan is brought to you by your local cable or satellite provider. Cspan, your unfiltered view of government. Brian your book is called once a cop. What is it about . Mr. Pegues it is my life story. Up and threw me retiring as a Police Officer. Brian when did you retire . Mr. Pegues march 2013, officially retired. I was injured september 2000 11 so i was out of work for about a year and a half, almost two years. I had two back surgeries. I was injured at work while trying to arrest someone, myself and my driver. I popped a disk in my back. Brian at the time, what was your rank and where were you a policeman . Mr. Pegues at the time it was a Commanding Officer of the 57th precinct and my rank was Deputy Inspector which is an executive position at the nypd. Brian in the new york Police Department. Mr. Pegues yes. Brian let me show you some video of George Herbert walker bush when he was president in 1991 and get you to talk about this moment because you talk about it in your book. [begin video] this is crack cocaine. Seized a few days ago by Drug Enforcement agents. It was in a park just across the street from the white house. It could easily have been heroin or pcp. It is as innocent looking as candy but it is turning our cities into battle zones and murdering our children. Let there be no mistake this stuff is poison. Brian and you say in your book almost right away, you sold that stuff. Why . Mr. Pegues i sold it because of the environment i grew up in. I grew up with gangsters and drug dealers and pimps. I was young. I grew up on welfare. I was in a family of 6, 5 girls and myself. My father left after the third grade. It is ironic that in my book i have a picture of me in the fifth grade and im sitting indian style of the front and im holding my feet because i have holes in the bottom of my shoes and i had cardboard in it so my socks wouldnt get wet. I had a rough upbringing. I got involved with friends who were selling drugs, it was the do. G to so we sold marijuana, cocaine, crack cocaine came out and we started selling that. I was in the streets from 13 to 18 years old, five years. Brian what is the difference between cocaine and crack cocaine . Mr. Pegues crack cocaine is cooked and is in rock form. Brian like we saw it in the bag . Mr. Pegues yes. Brian what is mescaline . Mr. Pegues a tiny pill that people take and put it under their tongue. Back then i dont even know if that stuff is still around but they did back then. Brian what is a lucy . Mr. Pegues he got killed for buying lucy, those little cigarettes. Eric garner. The origin of lucy was a lucy joint. A loose joint. So instead of selling a nickel bag of weed or a dme bag of weed, you roll them up your self we would roll them up for you. We would roll you a loose joint. Brian what is a louie . Mr. Pegues it was a loose joint marijuana joint laced with cocaine. Sprinkle a little bit of it in there. You get the high and the low. Brian who was smooth . Mr. Pegues smooth was a very good friend of mine way grew up with. E who i grew up he introduced me to the streets. Wasironic thing about him he didnt really have to. The irony about him was he did not have to. He had a two family home, mom worked for the telephone company, father worked for the post office. House, car, white picket fence. Just because of the environment he brought me in on the whole drug game and i started hanging out with him. Brian why did you want to write the book . Mr. Pegues im glad you asked that question. Nobody really asked. The role reason i wrote it is for the generations of pegues behind me. Kids, grandkids, i wanted to know this life transformation i made. Then it morphed into this book i had to write and tell my story because i was put on the front page of the newspaper in new york city. They really took some shots of my personality, my demeanor, my character, they tried to vilify me. I had to tell my story. The backdrop was that i wrote my own book and stopped walking across the stage, graduate. All this stuff i did in the streets, i was poor. I was in the streets selling drugs, which the military unit graduated and became a cop and it was over. That was the end of the book until this newspaper hit. That i had to go to my entire Police Career just so i could lessen some of the stuff that was put out about me that was all lies. Brian heres the front page of the New York Post that i think youre talking about. Right there. It says, i dealt crack as a gangsta, nypd honcho reveals. When you saw that, what was your reaction, and how did it happen . Mr. Pegues my reaction to that i was not happy. I never was a thug cop. I did so crack when i was out in the street i dont know if i would consider myself a gangster. A gangster to me is like john gotti. I was not out murdering people, putting hits on people. I was a street hustler come i sold drugs, so i was a criminal. It was really bad for my family. My family had to endure that waking up in the morning. You know, theres a picture of me with the president of United States and the book, maybe a future president , hillary clinton, michael bloomberg, l l cool j. I had such a fantastic life after those five years. Now with me being on the cover it took all that away and it was not an easy time for my family. And, i knew i was never a thug cop. The nypd has a federal probe going on now where there will be numerous executives locked up and probably some lower length people. Those were the thug cops. I never committed a crime as a cop. I was probably the cleanest cop for 21 years and the reason being i thought they were always looking at me because of my past, because of how i came to work dressed, because of my tattoos. I was so clean, i always thought it was a setup. Brian lets go through some brief outline of your life. You were born in what year in what year and where . Mr. Pegues 1968 in queens. In a hospital that is close now. Mary immaculate hospital in queens. Brian where did you go to school . Mr. Pegues in jamaica, queens. I left in the third grade. I got kicked out for pushing a girl behind the stairs. I playfully pushed a girl down the stairs and a bunch of girls fell down the stairs. I went to high school for an Engineering Program and invited some of my friends, some of my crackhead friends to play basketball. To come and see me play basketball. They beat everyone up out of the game, but i get kicked out of there. I went to Andrew Jackson high school and ended up graduating in 1987. Brian what were the years that you were selling drugs on the Street Corners . I left in 1987. Brian and after high school what happened to you . , mr. Pegues the u. S. Army. Brian how long . Mr. Pegues three years and eight months. Iraq, that war we won in thirty days. My enlistment was up. George bush was the president at that time and he extended everyone. I had to stay a few more months. Brian were you actually on duty the alltime . Active duty in the National Guard . Mr. Pegues then i was in the National Guard for 14 years for i have 18 years of military service. Brian that takes us up to what year . Mr. Pegues march 1992. Actually, march 1991, i got out of the military. In january of 1992, i went to the police academy. I became a policeman january 13, 1992. Brian how long did you serve as an activeduty new york policeman . Well talk about what happened during your promotions. Mr. Pegues 21 years. I served 21 years as a new York City Police officer. Brian i want to show some video of you on the Street Corner talking about where you used to sell drugs so people can get a sense of what it was like. [begin video] this is my spot. Murdoch. I spent countless hours here. 12, 24, 48. This is where the drug trade was, all day ever day. There was nothing else to do but sell drugs. It was cool. Almost like a cool thing to do. We had to sell the whole park. I had this area here. I had this area here. All the tenants had different color caps on their crack cocaine. I might have the blue one so if you wanted blue, you came over here. We had a worker on the Handball Court and on the Basketball Court and by the baseball. It was just crack all over the park. Brian who was buying . Mr. Pegues everybody was buying. When crack hit, it decimated that community. I was one of the people who was supplying that poison. But everybody was buying. You had friends, family members. I had family members on drugs. Everybody. They came from all walks of life. People who do not have money. People who were affluent. A middleclass neighborhood for the most part. You had some people, nice houses, they were buying. You had white people coming to predominantly black communities. Just driving in to buy crack. Brian talk about vials. How much did each of those cost . Mr. Pegues we had two vials, a small and a big one, the jumbo. That will go for 10 or five dollars. Five dollars for the little one, 10 for the big one or 20 for the big one. Brian how much should you make a day . Mr. Pegues i worked two different places. I was a freelancer, that was with the supreme team. But i was working on my own, what i would make 1000 a day. When i worked for the supreme team, they made upwards of 2000 200,000 a week. Brian who was the supreme team . It was a drug crew ran by this guy named supreme. His nephew worked with him and he had a bunch of lieutenants, maybe five lieutenants. They had an iron fist organization. It was actually run like a fortune 500 company. I do not know if the drug dealers are doing this today, but we worked shifts. 12 00 at night to 8 00 in the 4 00, and 4 00o to midnight. We got paid on fridays. Like, it was a job. The ironic thing with that was, we worked exact same hours as the Police Officers. Some of these guys could run fortune 500 companies. These guys are smart. They emulated the Police Department schedule. They were so good that they started paying the police off. I talk about that in the book. Brian did you ever get paid off as a policeman . Mr. Pegues no. I could not be bought. I was deathly afraid. I always thought it was a setup. Nobody ever offered me money. I talked one time in the book about, we stopped somebody with a bag of money and he said, i do not know whose money it is, as if to insinuate take it, i do not care. And i was like, no. I did the math really quick. If he had 20,000 in there and i split with my partner, i can make 1 million if i keep the job for 20 years or this could be a setup for 10,000 i am going to embarrass my family. It just did not work. Brian where did you get the drugs on a daytoday basis and where did you keep it when you were standing on these corners or at the park . Mr. Pegues back then, a lot times we held drugs on us because the police were not as prevalent as they are today. They were not around. The ironic thing, there is like 50,000 Police Officers in new york city back then, but theres only 36,000 now, but they were not proactive, it was a more reactive job. But we would just put it in a tire well, stick it in the tree. You keep some on you so you would not have to keep running to the stash. Obviously you cannot carry 200. I would have a package of 300 vials for the shift. You cannot have it in your pocket we just lay them down somewhere. Brian are there supreme team members that are still around that you know . Mr. Pegues yes. Brian in this book, there are so many names. How many of those are the actual names of the people . Mr. Pegues only two. Everyone elses different. Brian those two are . Mr. Pegues supreme and prince. And who was prince . By the way when we saw you in , that video, who was the other person in the video with you . Mr. Pegues smooth. Brian tell me more about smooth. Pegues he went on to become a highranking official in Law Enforcement also. People dont know. They will find out in the book. He changed his life. He went to catholic school. He went to catholic high school, and he went to a prestigious all while doing these things i university all while doing these things i was doing. , he changed his life and become a Law Enforcement supervisor. He just recently retired also. Brian here is the former mayor of new york city, rudolph giuliani. You had a few things to say about him in the book. This is only about 25 seconds. [video clip] i do not know why the morale of the new York City Department is so low. He blames it on me, he blames it on you. The reason the morale is so low is one reason and one reason alone David Dinkins. Brian you affectionately called the former mayor a clown. Why . Mr. Pegues i worked that detail, i will never forget. Brian you were there . Pegues i was on the steps of city hall because it was going to be a big protest so they had to have Police Officers there. I will never forget that protest. These rogue cops walk around with these were all cops Walking Around with nooses, signs with the nword. It was bad. I felt really, really bad to be a Police Officer. It was probably the worst day in my career. Brian 1992 . Pegues the things he was saying, he was riling up. It was basically a major racist protest, that was what it was. You can just look back at the old footage. It is a bunch of drunk, white cops and a couple of white agitators such as giuliani egging them on. And saying these really nasty things about the mayor, sort of like what is going on right now. A bunch of cops saying these nasty things. Brian David Dinkins was black. And he was saying racist things . Mr. Pegues the whole crowd. Brian what was the reason for him making that particular speech . Mr. Pegues he wanted to become mayor. He had lost the election. David dinkins beat rudy giuliani. For the reelection, giuliani was going hard because he wanted to be the mayor. There were a few missteps by mayor dinkins. The riots, the Washington Heights riots. He tipped the scale, and he won. Brian someone else you call a wn is bernard character karrick. Mr. Pegues former Police Commissioner. Brian why a clown . Mr. Pegues here you have a guy who had a Police Career. It was cronyism at its best. His only claim to fame as a Police Officer was being a detective, which is on the same scale as a cop. In the rank structure it is cop, detective, sergeant, lieutenant, captain, deputy captain, chief, chief, chief. He became the mayor of new york city and he made this detective down here and brought him and made him the Police Commissioner, the number one person in this Paramilitary Organization which is the biggest Police Department in the country. I mean, after having ray kelly as the Police Commissioner to bring him you know, he just did four years of federal prison for corruption. Taking things. That would not happen to a seasoned veteran. You go through the ranks, you know you cannot do this, you can do that. You cant do this, you cant do that. Leadership dont start down here, you have to work your way to the top. You cannot spring board there because he was your bodyguard. When giuliani was running for mayor, he was a volunteer bodyguard and he was made corrections commissioner and brought him into the Police Department. That was the biggest joke in the department. It is well known he was not running the police. Brian what was your personal reaction when bernie went to prison . Mr. Pegues i was like, basically, he was not prepared for the job. That was basically it, in my estimation. It was like, he was not prepared for the job. Brian sent you published this since you published this book, you made some people very unhappy. I want to run some video of the fellow that runs the Police Benevolent association. You have seen this before. Explain it. I think this fellows name is patrick lynch. Before we watch it, tell us what his job is . Mr. Pegues he is the Union President for 35,000 cops in the nypd. He is the Union President. Brian right after this New York Post story came out by the way, before we do this, the thug life thing, where did it come from . The tattoos. That is what im getting at. Mr. Pegues someone said i had thug life on my neck, i do not have that on my neck. Brian you didnt have it removed . Pegues i didnt have it removed. You cant write over writing. You have to laser my tattoo off, then it would have a shadow. It just dont work. If you write cat and you try to write dog over it, it will not be legible. You cannot write over writing. I only have one tattoo. Brian where is it . Mr. Pegues i have a tattoo of my wifes name on my neck. Brian you been married twice, which one is it . Mr. Pegues my current one, brenda. Thats what it says. That is where the thug life thing came from. Alright. Brian what was your highest rank . Mr. Pegues deputy insepector. Brian as you look at commissioner being the top, where does Deputy Inspector come in . Pegues commissioner is about four or five ranks higher. In a department of 36,000, Deputy Inspector, you probably have 35,000 people under you. Brian here is patrick being interviewed on the streets of new york city. [video clip] a month ago a retired Deputy Inspector was on a podcast announcing he once sold crack in queens. He should not be collecting a pension as a new York City Police officer. He was palling around with drug dealers. If you get information about drug dealers that killed a Police Officer, he never was a Police Officer. He should not be allowed to carry a retired id card in his pocket. That is a privilege. It is a privilege to serve, it is a privilege to say you did serve and retired. You are not entitled to that privilege. They should look back, find out where he lied, was pension and pull his pension and never allow him to be a Police Officer. [end video clip] mr. Pegues that shows the major difference of a cop and an executive. Lets just say i lied on my application. He is so not informed that lying is what he called perjury and the statute of limitations is maybe five years. If he was an executive he would know that, but he is a cop just spewing venom. He does not have a clue. All he did was arrest people. He was never in a policymaking position to be well informed on what crimes are for. Brian why is he mad at you . Mr. Pegues he is standing next to eddie burns brother and he is the deputy commissioner. That is the battle they are fighting. They are upset because i know the killer of eddie burns. I explained that in the book. Brian when was he killed . Mr. Pegues february 1988. I went into the military 1987. Brian was the guy who killed him . Mr. Pegues three guys in jail for decades now. Brian the one they are upset about he is in prison. Again, thats his brother. Standing right there. Eddie burns. Mr. Pegues you know what really gets me . Theres no pushback. With the reporter there. For him to say i withheld Vital Information on the killing of a cop, do you think for one iota of a second that if i had any information leading to probably the most infamous murder in the history of the nypd if my name was on any sheet, any tag, any sticky, do you think i wouldve been able to be a new York City Police officer . No way the world. I can guarantee you that if i was implicated in any crime of a murder. Forget about eddie. Any murder. I never lied on the application. Nobody ever asked me. Nobody ever set across from me and said, did you sell crack cocaine . That was not one of the questions on the application. If they would have asked me i would have told them. I was trying to get my life in order. I had just gotten out of the military. I had a wife and kids, i wanted to do what was right. I wanted to get this job because i knew this would be a lifechanging event for my entire family. Firstgeneration Police Officer, the first one to get a high school diploma, first to go to college. Get my masters and be a professor. I was ready to take life by the ears and do what is right and i was not going to say anything to jeopardize that. Brian what were the circumstances of eddie burns being killed . Mr. Pegues there was a murderer out there, a drug gang murdered a witness. One of the drug gangs that was pretty much friends with the supreme team. Some guy in prison, this guy named happy mason, this guy ordered a hit on a Police Officer because he got locked up. This poor kid, eddie burns, was sitting in front of his house guarding a witness and three guys came up and murdered him. The other thing about the whole uproar i went to his memorial , every year. I met his brother, i met his mother, i met his father. I met all of them. Every year i went there. But because i wanted to tell my life story of this transformation from selling shut, i knew these people, a drug dealer, i did all this crazy stuff as a young kid, but i was never arrested and convicted of a crime so why should i not be able to tell my story . Every month the nypd since a few hundred checks to prisons for pension checks for people in prison. They want to take my pension, but i never did anything. Brian you make 135,000 a year taxfree as your pension . Mr. Pegues thats what the publications say. I have a tax free pension. Brian and they want to take it away from you . Is impossible. You cannot do that. Brian did you sue them . Mr. Pegues i have a lawsuit and im positive it will be successful because i do not do anything. All i did was tell my story, i was on a podcast. I was trying to do a book deal. Get as much excitement as i can. It actually worked, we got the book deal. But i did not know ill be on the front page next to derek jeter and his last three or four games. Brian combat jack has a podcast. Mr. Pegues yes. Brian what year did you talk to him . Mr. Pegues 2014. July. Brian who is he . Mr. Pegues he has the number one hiphop podcast in america. Every hiphop star goes on his show. I was able to leverage a meeting with him through my lawyer. In my entertainment and my entertainment lawyer. They were law partners. He was fascinated by my story and wanted to bring me on. Brian how long did you talk to them . Mr. Pegues about an hour. Brian that was the first time you told your story . Mr. Pegues that was the first time i publicly told my story. Brian after that the New York Post put that on the front page. Lets look at that headline again so people who may have tuned in later. There is the headline. Thug cop. Now just want to run a little bit of the audio from the combat jack program. Mr. Pegues the first one or the second one . Brian youll have to tell me which one it is . The first one or second one. This is just a brief excerpts of they can hear what started this. And what led to the book being published by Simon Schuster, one of the nations biggest publishing businesses. [video clip] my friend grabbed me. He said, get these loosies off. I think about eric garner getting murdered in Staten Island. For the record, you heard what i said. Im a cop, he was murdered. Thats what it was. At 13, im selling loosies. But they wasnt cigarettes, they were joints. Lose joints. Brian explain more of that, what you were talking about their. Mr. Pegues you asked me about loosies, they were marijuana cigarettes for the most part. Brian the accusation of murder, what is that story . Mr. Pegues the eric garner incident. He was a young man in Staten Island who is trying to sell untaxed cigarettes allegedly in front of a store out in Staten Island. The Police Responded to the location and pretty much were going to arrest him. He did not want to go at the time. It is all on video. He had a little bit of pushback. Was it enough for him to be murdered . I doubt that. He ended be up being choked out. He was murdered. I knew that the nypd was doing a chokehold. He died by asphyxiation, the medical examiner said. It was a homicide. This is what made the Benevolent Association mad . Mr. Pegues you have to understand, this blue wall assault is a serious thing. Brian it is one of the chapters in your book. I. Pegues it was what wasnt going to go with. Dont worry. Well make it fit. For me to come out and say a cop murdered somebody, they didnt take that too lightly. Brian you know, you trigger another memory from reading your book. A guy named orourke and greely. You had some strong things to say about theyre both irish . Mr. Pegues yes. Brian you have some strong things to say about irish cops. Explain that. Mr. Pegues i have some strong things to say about irish cops back when i was a cop. It was still the old guard. You know, these guys were, i came in 1992. These guys were 1718 years, they came in the late 1970s, early 1980s. They were second, third generation. Remember, im first generation. So, these guys were coming in, they had a lot of racist tendencies. They wouldnt even speak to me. Some of the irish cops wouldnt even speak to me. I would walk in a room full of cops and say, how is everyone doing . They would look at me like i didnt exist. I write one story about me sitting in the lunch room watching television eating my lunch and a tall irish guy comes in and turns the tv off right in front of me. I flipped the table over and we were getting ready to have a big fight and everyone had to run it in to break this up. It was so nasty. And disrespectful. Brian he had been a 20 years and you had been there how long . Mr. Pegues about two. Brian you were watching television. He comes in, doesnt ask you anything but just turns the television right off. Mr. Pegues turns it right off. It wasnt the first thing he did to me. They would use the n word loosely. This was 1992, you thought it was a little change but they were doing it. I was in a predominantly white precinct. There were 300 cops and 28 blacks. It was 28 blacks and we were and we were spread across different shifts. My tour from 4 00midnight, i could remember the names. There were four of us. So, you know. It was tough. Brian how did you see racism . Despite the story you just told. Give us some other examples. Mr. Pegues a lot of examples i could give you. Most of it was promotions, assignments. I talk about putting papers to go into this elite unit with my partner, who graduated the same day as i did. Hes italian. I get the letter back. They said you had two years on the job. They put in big letters you need three years to apply. We go to rollcall and they call him and said you have 20 minutes to go down to your interview for the test. And he was a really nice guy. And he came to me, he almost had tears in his eyes. He was like, corey, im sorry. I was like, dont worry about it. Do good on your interview. He ended up going to the elite unit. I was seeing things very early on. We got nine millimeters. I had a few years on the job. Brian nine millimeters guns . Mr. Pegues nine millimeter handguns. We went from a 38. It was supposed to go by seniority. Bought all of the but all of the white guys under me with less time, they got theirs first. I had to wait in line to get mine. There was a lot of things. All of that stuff made me strong and i wanted to get promoted. One thing that could stop racism was being in charge. When youre in charge, they dont have to like you, but its a proud military organization. I tell you to move, you do it. I dont care what your feelings are. I knew if i was the boss, i can make change. Brian you mention your lawyer early. How much did your lawyer have to approve in this book . Mr. Pegues Simon Schuster wrote the implant. I have a whole staff of lawyers, that book has been heavily vetted. I mean, we had to go back and forth on names, places, take this out, take this out. So many drafts of the book, heavily vetted. Brian how did you do the book . How did you actually put words on paper . Mr. Pegues well, believe it or not, when i got injured in september, 2011 and had a major surgery, i had two back surgeries i knew i would never , be a Police Officer again, as you have to be at full duty, even if you are the boss. You have to be able to run in jump over events if somebody is chasing you down the block. If i get hurt, obviously i would be a liability for the city. They were not going to let you work again except for exceptions. Some people do. I knew i wasnt one of those exceptions. So, i started writing my story in the hospital bed. Brian did you write this all yourself . Mr. Pegues i wrote my own story. I walked into Simon Schuster with a script like this, date books. A big stack of date books. I dont have that picture in the book. I really shouldve had that picture in the book. People dont know that i kept a journal every single year as a Police Officer and i wrote down i didnt write every day. Sometimes every week or every month. There were stories. The gillooly story. The giuliani story. All the stories in the book, i wrote them already. When i walked into Simon Schuster with my book agent, we sat down with harpercollins and everybody and they were looking, wow, you wrote all of that and you wrote your own manuscript . It felt good. I already wrote the book. The book was written. Brian let me read something. Were jumping all over the place but your book is so full of things i want to get to as much as i can. Let me read back what you wrote. Tell us the circumstances. By the time they pull the guy off of me, i was hot. I was seeing red. I was covered in cuts and scrapes, this guys blood all over me. We cuffed him and i went to walk him out to the patrol car. At the top of the stairs, he stumbled and slipped out of my hand. I didnt push him, but i didnt try to catch him either. I let him fall and he went down the stairs handcuffed, headfirst, boom, boom, boom, boom. Why did you tell that story . Mr. Pegues i wanted to be transparent. It was the worst thing i ever did as a Police Officer. I could have killed a handcuffed prisoner by not securing him. And that taught me right then at that moment, almost like another incident years ago when they took the nightstick and stuck it up inside of him. Whenever youre involved personally with a prisoner and it goes south where youre fighting, once its over, somebody else should be the common figure that comes in and use it to the side and let them, i learned from that day if i have a fight with somebody, i have to let someone else take the arrest. I was just happy the guy didnt die. You didnt read the best part, wasnt good at the time. He was hivpositive. I had to be tested for a whole year. Brian define some of these things in the book that you wrote and this goes back to your earlier life. What is how fly we were, what does that mean . Mr. Pegues we look good. We can give a lesson on slang. That means how good we look. Brian whats good shooting . Mr. Pegues i kind of hate that term. But its a police term. If the shooting looks like its just a fight, they call it a good shooting. As i got older and got further in my career i hated that because any shooting where someone got hit with a bullet, not a good shooting. But in a police world, a cop would have a shooting with somebody and there were shot and it was an investigation and when the chief comes, they want to investigate the shooting. Brian why did you tell us about your personal life . You talk correct me if im wrong, you talk about having two women in your life early in your life pregnant at the same time. Tina is that her real name and teresa. And you married teresa. But those children were born to each of those women about the same time. You were in attendance. Why did you tell us about that . Mr. Pegues because i wanted to be transparent and real. I put my life out there. Some family members and friends are not happy about that. But the only way i could come on cspan and to all the shows is to be real and honest with people. That is one thing that people understand honesty. When youre honest with people, then they believe in you. Brian what was the story, this happened twice, when was the second time . How long were you married to teresa . Mr. Pegues 89 years. Brian how many children did you have by teresa . Mr. Pegues just one. Brian what was her name . Mr. Pegues natasha. Brian you call her tash. Mr. Pegues yeah. Brian tina had one child. Mr. Pegues cory junior. Brian where is cory junior these days . How is he doing . Mr. Pegues fine. Im in touch with him. Brian which woman was most upset when they found out . Mr. Pegues you could flip a coin on that. I was living a double life as a teenager. Had a girlfriend in queens cheating on the one of brooklyn. The one in brooklyn thought she was my girlfriend. But i really had one. So, when they both found out, they were really upset. Brian as you told us earlier, you have a tattoo. Didnt you have another affair at the same time and have another woman pregnant at the same time . Mr. Pegues no, no, absolutely not. Brian i misread that one . Mr. Pegues we wouldnt be sitting here today. [laughter] mr. Pegues she would probably kill me. Brian she had children before . Mr. Pegues yes. Brian how many children did you have together . Mr. Pegues two. One big happy family. Brian where did you meet brendale, and how many other people in your family are cops . Mr. Pegues i met her in third grade. In that picture in the book, shes the one in the corner with the bushy hair. Brian when did you get with her . Mr. Pegues after my divorce with teresa. Maybe 20 years after that. Brian what does she think of this book . Mr. Pegues well, she likes the book. Shes not happy with everything in the book. Brian when did she read it . Mr. Pegues honestly, i dont think shes finished reading it. You know, shes picking and choosing. Its very emotional. Because of all the things, mostly but the whole new york york post thing, its very traumatic for her. She dont want to involve herself in it. But she definitely read like the early parts of the book. Brian so, you are friends with ll cool j and run dmc. Mr. Pegues im friends with ll cool j and i was friends with jam master j. We grew up in the same neighborhood. The ironic thing, i talk about that in the book, crack and rap came up together. The rappers back then, they were not making big money. The drug dealers were driving the fancy cars. I believed they wanted to be drug dealers and now the pendulum swings today, all the crack dealers wanted to be rappers. Thats today. So, ll cool j, i have a three or four second cameo on one of his albums. The 14 shot to the dome. Brian you were a cop then . Mr. Pegues yes. Brian security. Was that independent of you being on the police force . You are there and he put you in the middle of this. Weve got that clip. [laughter] mr. Pegues i havent heard that clip since that day. Brian you have to listen very do you remember what your lines carefully on this. Were . Mr. Pegues i think you fell off, kid. Brian this is from ll cool j s rap song, god bless. You can see the whole thing on youtube. You have to listen carefully because it comes in at the end. You can explain all of this afterwards. [video clip] brian i thought you fell off. Mr. Pegues i thought you fell off, kid. So, hes bragging about what he got. So i come in, basically saying, your people saying you fell off, kid. Brian explain the world of rap and hiphop, whats the difference . Mr. Pegues its all the same. Rap is hiphop. Its the way you walk, talk, it is the way you dress, the cars you drive, it is everything. Brian whats your ditty bop . Mr. Pegues my walk. Its a ditty bop. Brian didnt it tick people off from time to time . Mr. Pegues i had this walk. This distinctive walk. I grew up and i was in hiphop and everybody had the slagged. They walked with the competent step you have when youre walking. It is more pronounced than everybody elses. Brian whats the bling thing . You say in here these people had so much money so they bought all this jewelry. Mr. Pegues its all dressed to impress, pretty much for the young guys. Growing up, it was to impress the ladies and let the other guys know youre making more money than theyre making. As you can see now, im not blinged out. I have a little watch on here, but we are older now and the bling is gone. Brian let me show you a clip from the movie, you talk about in your book, new jack city. Tell us how close this is to the real world. [video clip] i think my cousin also like s the fact that youre in the tradition of joe kennedy. Who . Good. We have to rob to get rich in the reagan era. They are running a strange program, doll. Folks, more than you have ever seen. They act like it dont exist. Meanwhile, the rich get richer and the poor dont get a [bleep] thing. Times like these people want to get high. Real high and real fast. This is going to do it. And make us rich. People going crazy over this . I mean, really, it looks like cracked off pieces of salt. [end video clip] brian how real is that . Mr. Pegues yeah, theres a lot of hollywood to that. You know, they say that that movie was largely based on the supreme team. Thats what a lot of people say. Im quite sure, i was a street hustler, so i was not privy to the meetings supreme had with his lieutenants. But im sure it was like that. Brian whats your advantage being a cop that you had been a member of the supreme team . Mr. Pegues my advantage of being a cop, being a young black man growing up in the city, i understood what would go on the go on in the city. So, police work came fairly easy to me. If they had put me in chinatown, it would have been harder for me to navigate. Most of my precincts i worked in queens, a astoria greek area, minority neighborhoods. Easy for me to fit in. As i was going higher through the ranks, i was able to impart my knowledge on officers that worked for me to tell them, listen, every time someone in the street calls you son, theyre not disrespecting you because youre older to them, older than them, that is how they talk. They refer to each other as son. Id just like drop jewels on them and impart knowledge. This is how it goes out here. In the suburbs, when they go to the park and in the projects, their parks benches. They have nowhere else to go. What will they do . So, you know, a lot of police work is common sense and discretion. You have to use it. Brian nayshaun, you call it the luckiest thing in my life. The day the gun didnt fire. Explain that story. Mr. Pegues yeah, so that was probably december 12 or december 13, 1986. My son was born december 12, cory junior. It was either that day i came home or the next day. I get off, come from booking and black on the block. Im happy. My son was born. Nayshaun walks up to me and pulls a pistol out and says get off the block. You cant hustle here no more. I left. He had a gun. I ran. I went home for two days and thought about what i was going to do. Back then, it was all about street credibility, or street cred, as they would say with slang. I had to get my revenge. I decided i was going to kill him myself. With the gun i had. I had nice little nickel plated. 25. And i was so crazy back then. I said i want to do this in front of everybody. Im not going to do it at 3 00 in the morning. Im going to go primetime at 6 00 when everyone is out there and ill kill him in front of everybody for hitting me in the face with a gun. I walked down there and he walked up to me, didnt i tell you . I pulled the gun out and put it in his chest. I pulled the trigger three times and the gun didnt go off. He pulls his gun out and start shooting at me and i run and a friend of mine turned the corner and saw what was happening and pulled his gun out and started shooting at him and we ran into another house. My friends mother wouldnt let us come into the house. Brian what happened that the gun wouldnt fire . Mr. Pegues we were so young and crazy and running around the streets, i didnt know anything about guns. It was a semiautomatic. There was not a bullet in the chamber. Brian so it is safe to assume that if that gun had fired, you would not be here today . Mr. Pegues without a doubt. Brian did you ever shoot somebody . Mr. Pegues some stories in the book, i cant give away everything in the book. I gotta get you to read something in the book. I had some brushes with guns, yeah. Brian i want to show a clip of you in a barbershop. Theres barbershop one and barbershop two. Lets watch this. Youre sitting getting a haircut and listen to the dialogue between you and the barber. [begin video clip] [indiscernible] you come up here and you have a hat on. He did it. Chargest care what the they looking at you. It does. The elephant is the room in the room is that you are hitting on it. I dont care about no jury duty. Play a partt because these cops are getting 100,000. Hold on. What im saying is they are not supposed to discriminate. It goes against human nature [indiscernible] brian can you fill in the blanks . Mr. Pegues thats my youtube web series, barbershop cop. I am filming stuff and barbershops all of the city affecting things in the community and getting real feedback. That is live stuff. That is not scripted. I just start a topic. Then we talk about it. Its not scripted. It is good stuff that america sees how young black men feel about cops and Law Enforcement in general. The point i was trying to make with that particular situation was that cops are getting paid, and i am talking about nypd getting paid over 100,000 a year to make sure that theyre not discriminating against people. So, like, i would tell my cops every day, check your attitudes at the door. I know you just had a Domestic Violence incident with your wife, but youll have to handle it. You the look at everyone as an individual. People look at the police for everything. Cabinetry, police. Car accident, police. Somebody shot, police, everything in a tree, police. Youre asking somebody that is 1920 years old in most jurisdictions, six months of training, who have never lived out of their mothers basement and give them a gun and tell them to conquer the world. You have to do all of that and they never even had a girlfriend. You have to handle a domestic dispute. Its a tough job. I criticize police a lot. But when i criticize them, im talking about the bad police. But thats a small percentage. Overwhelming majority are just coming to work and doing their job, but you dont hear about them. You hear about the tamir rice, eric garner cases. You hear about the bad cops or belied or bad police. Once Law Enforcement starts weeding them out because every time you see one of these cases, you look at the persons background. Seven complaints, of use of force, five substantiated, the guy was a mess. And we dont find out until they kill somebody. What do you do prior to when they kill somebody . We should be handling it from the jump. Brian where does your last name, pegues, come from . Mr. Pegues well, it has french origins. I traced my roots to north carolina. Brian you say in your book your dad was an alcoholic . Mr. Pegues yes, my dad was an alcoholic. He was a functional alcoholic. He went to work every day that was drunk every day. Brian what year of his life did he die . Mr. Pegues third grade. No, no, no. Im sorry. He left in the third grade. He died my second year as a Police Officer. He came to my police graduation. It was one of the happiest days i had with my father. He told me he loved me that day. I hadnt even heard him say that. But he told me that day. Brian whats the different guying for you if the sitting here asking you questions is a black eye versus guy versus a white guy . Mr. Pegues it doesnt matter. See, i dont base the things on race unless its quite obvious that theres a racial component. Im comfortable in any setting. I have white friends, spanish friends, black friends. You know, its just when people show me racism it pisses me off big time. There should be no room for that. I know what i made of and i stand on the back of the 3ms, malcom, martin and megan. If they didnt fight for civil rights, i wouldnt be able to stand here and have this interview. I feel very strongly about racism. Brian do you notice a difference in the question that white interviewer will ask you versus a black interviewer . Mr. Pegues not necessarily. You talk about the combat jack show, it was a more laidback show, no suit and tie, i probably had a yankees hat on different environment. , but these type of interviews, i go into interviews and somebody wants to take a shot at me, they can try. Its hard to take a shot that that book is everything is vetted and you can fact check everything in their. Unless youre going to tell me you dont i dont have holes in my shoes because i definitely do. Brian so whats the question youre asked all the time . As you do this book tour . Mr. Pegues how did i become a Police Officer by selling crack cocaine . Brian what would you say you say in the book that you never missed a day of school and you. Didnt use drugs . Mr. Pegues nope, i didnt use drugs, believe it or not. My team around me smoked, that i but i didnt smoke marijuana. That was a big thing. I very rarely did that for cold 45, i rarely did that. I was so money hungry. I just wanted to make money, be able to take care of myself. Didnt want to waste my money. Help my girlfriend. I didnt want to mess with any of that. I never smoked a cigarette in my life. Brian still havent . Mr. Pegues no. I smoked a cigar once in a while. Had one last night. Brian what does cory pegues want to do for the rest of your life . Mr. Pegues for the rest of my life, i just want to go out and spread my message. I believe i have a transformational story that can touch the lives of some of these kids and i want to start a nonprofit and open a Computer Center on murdoch and have Financial Literacy classes for these kids try to help these , kids because theyre hurting out there. And they need somebody. The main thing is when they see me, they see somebody that looks like them that did it. And i can go to any community, White College campuses. ,i want to get on the campuses and talk to these kids. Because a lot of kids are going through things. They think there is a dead end. Im here to tell them, you can make it. Brian is there a website people can go to . Mr. Pegues yes. Coreypegues. Com. They can find me on my website. They can hit me on twitter, instagram. Im all over the internet. Google my name. Everything pops up. Brian well show the cover of the book so people can see the spelling of your name. The title of this book is once a cop at the street, the law, two worlds, one man. Corey pegues. 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