Straight from the source tonight what a quotes that jack smith's says came from donald trump's mouth as the special counsel and the judge are revealing blockbuster her new evidence and the election case against donald trump also, what melania trump just said about abortion that stands in stark contrast to the reality in america, because of her husband's three supreme court picks, the eyeopening new quotes from her new memoir james carville has some advice for democrats tonight, include one moment in last night's debate that he says, they aren't seizing on nearly enough they'll want to know what that is. I'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source tonight, as donald trump is sowing doubt about the 2024 election, we're getting just about as close, but look as we may ever get and what his trial may have looked like for what he tried to pull off the last time. Judge tanya chutkin released 165 pages of evidence from special counsel, jack smith which paints a far more detailed picture than we knew before about the lengths and the depths of desperation that trump is accused of going too in order to cling to power after he lost the 2020 election, taken this scene, the day that trump's supporters stormed the capitol, january 6, trump, whom jack smith says is alone in his dining room. That is just off the oval office, is watching it all play out on television. Is twitter open on his phone? when an assistant of his walton, after learning that vice president pence was in such serious danger, he had to be taken to a secure location the assistant rushed into the dining room to inform the defendant and hopes that the defendant would take action to ensure pence's safety instead, smith writes, after the aide whose name is redacted in these filings delivered the news the defendant looked at him and said, quote so what that is from a firsthand witness about the value that trump placed on the safety of the person who is second in line to the presidency and as much as we're learning about trump in this new filing tonight, we're also learning about what a lot, lot about what pence's delicate dance and to, to push back actually looked like behind the scenes, the filing contains details that presumably could only come from mike pence himself, whether from his own testimony to the grand jury or speaking with investigators. Here's how you can tell. Look at this smith is detailing a private lunch this happened on november 16th, in which pence tried to encourage the defendant to accept the results of the election and run again in 2024, to which the defendant, who of course here is donald trump responded, quote i don't know, 2024 so far off and yet here we are. Here was donald trump just yesterday do you trust the process this time around? i'll let you know about 33 days now we don't know if history will repeat itself in 33 days, but tonight we do have a much better in much better inside into trump's playbook and what it could be. He is laying down a lot of the groundwork that we saw in 2020. Smith is alleging that was when one of trump's attorneys told him that his claims about there being widespread election fraud would not hold up in court. Trump responded, and i'm quoting from the filing now, the details don't matter smith also as testimony from another witness who says they heard trump tells several members of his family this after the election quote, it doesn't matter if you won or lost the election. You still have to fight. Like hell i legal sources are cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, jennifer rodgers, and criminal defense attorney joey jackson, and jennifer it's the sowhat moment that really stood out. It seems like there's an indication of who this person is, an assistant to the president who worked very closely with donald trump, is not someone who is broken with him in a real way. But when you read this and this person ran in to try to get trump to call off the crowd understanding? what this information could mean to trump. And he just responds. So what? well, this is why the brief is so interesting because i believe the brief actually said they don't intend to try to admit that into evidence, but it's there. Why is there? because this is a twopart document. This is for the public, this is for us still all say, well, this is a really powerful case against the former president. This is really, really bad. What he did. It's also, of course trying to convince judge chutkin and the judges up the chain that all of this evidence should come in because it's not subject to the supreme court's immunity decision has those two things, but that is really more of an atmospheric point. I would say they don't intend to try to admit that, but they want everyone to know this was a bad guy acting in bad faith. And the case against him is really powerful and for everyone following along at home, what they're trying to do is say, hey, despite what the supreme court said about presidential immunity, we still have a case here. This can still go to trial and joy part of that is a criminal defense attorney how did you see it when they talk about how they say they have someone from the fbi who can testify to the activity on trump's phone that day. That his his 20 app was open during the afternoon of january 6, that he was using it paired with dan scavino, his testimony, and only dan scavino and donald trump had access to that twitter account? yeah. Kaitlan as a defense attorney i'm concerned about this for a number of reasons. What's this? this is the motion which lays out from jack smith's perspective what's going to be admissible? what is my proof? what is my evidence? and it's not only about the cell phone data, it's about a number of things. Number one, i see a mike penn shaping up to be an all star witness here. Remember, you would think under the conventional wisdom of that supreme court case that you can't talk about mike pence, right? immunity applies. He's the vice president, don't touch it no. Jack smith says, wait a second, it's a presumption of immunity. However, who is mike pence? his running mate? what do you doing running as a candidate, not as president. So you're going to have mike pence really taking the stand it moves forward, giving evidence with respect to the conversations he had with his boss concerning this fake elector scheme concerning his presiding over the senate and ditching the real ones and putting in these other ones. And so that's going to be problematic. What else kaitlan, i'm concerned as a defense attorney, all of these statements and set were made and things that were done with the state people coming from arizona, georgia, wisconsin, pennsylvania, take it as you will, but all of the pressure on them. And then when the outset of this segment you showed the january 6 that's all coming in because that was the culmination of this pressure upon everyone to say iowan you lost. So there's a lot to work for and work with as a defense attorney to refute if the matter goes forward at all of this all of this comes in. Yeah. And their names are redacted. Brian kemp and doug ducey, who is then governor of arizona. Brian kemp still the governor of georgia. And it does it says like, you ppi 17 is georgia governor brian kemp is blackout. I think we know that it's him, but it talks about how trump had this intense pressure campaign on them to overturn the results. Doug, that one point is saying, okay, somebody or evidence, what are you looking at trump never gets back to him. Yeah. I'm packaging it all. Were packaging it and we're sending it right to you and of course, there wasn't anything to say then that's part of this scheme is we're going to tell you something's coming, but we just need this to happen now. We need you to do it for us now. And then don't worry about it. What kind of fill it out on the backend and then when they say no, they shipped to another thing. I mean, what this brief is very good at is demonstrating that they worked in a whole bunch of different ways, bunch of different angles coming at it from every possible angle. And when something didn't work mark, then they would shift to something else. Is it supreme court proofed just on your read of it? i think it is. I mean, they obviously took out the doj stuff which they had to take out is it a stretch on the pence stuff? i mean, they do have to convince the judge that the presumptive immunity doesn't apply here, but i think they've done it. I think they've done it. I mean, i would be a little hesitant because i also wouldn't have said that the supreme court would say that pence while acting as president of the senate in terms of the certification, should have been even presumptively immune. So you know, who knows, but i think they've done a good job with it. And trump is responding to this tonight. I think we have a new we have a quote from him on camera. We'll see if we have that in a moment, but but joined the other, what he was saying on truth social is the justice department is disobeying. It's own rule by, by putting this information out. This soon. Obviously with the argument about how close to an election you can take action against one who's running instead election does that apply here given this prosecution, this indictment happened over a year ago. So here's what i'd argue, kaitlan, his team that is the former president has gone through great lengths at delaying, delaying, delaying and so to the extent that we are here in this process and now is not the fault of the justice department is the fault of your team and attempting to delay it and keep writing on truth social. If you look at everything about this 165 pages, there is tweet after tweet after tweet, that the special counsel seeking to admit into evidence suggesting this is not official conduct. This is him again, being a bully from the bully pulpit as it relates to state actors, attorney general's governance it cetera, as it relates to pence, you better do the right thing. And so the more he tweets is a lot of admissions in there from the former president that i think are going to be problematic at trial. Yeah, that's a good point. Standby because we also have an attorney who previously represented donald trump on this case, jim trusty joining us. Jim, as you look at this, what do you make of the news? so evidence that we've got today, how strong do you think it is? how worried would you be if you were still representing trump in this case i'd probably be angry more than worried. I mean, you can't overreact to a government pleading, but i want to go back to what jennifer started with, which is really an important comment here. This is a pleading that is for public consumption as much as it is for actual legal logistics. I mean, look, you can have a death penalty trial where your limit, your page limits for a filing. An important case where life and death rides on it is 45 pages. This is 165 pages. It includes a lot of gratuitous information, a lot of what i would say because optimistic information, when it comes to mike pence and mark meadows, i mean, those are under the supreme court ruling it's a real stretch to pretend that president trump turned to mike pence and says, i only want to talk to you and your in your context of being the president pro tempore that you are a legislative mike pence for this moment. Not an executive one. So i think this overreaching when it comes to exert privilege, blowing up attorneyclient privilege, you've got a document before a judge chutkan that she's got to look at and decide of every single aspect of that is admissible. Everything that they're trying to get in. If it is admissible on her level, it's still going to go right back up the chain. And then up to this freedom corps. But this is new territory, difficult territory, but they're there reaching, they're going too far when it comes to pence and meadows because they are obsessed with having them on the witness stand. But that's a good point about it will be appealed whatever this decision is, we know that that horse has already left the barn, but on the quotes from trump about the, you the, details don't matter, and it doesn't matter if you lost her won, just fight like hell, doesn't that undercut the defense that we've seen, which is that trump just wanted to have a free and fair election, wanted to make sure all the votes were counted look, i think you can't take this as gospel. I mean, the bottom line is, it's a very politicized pleading we just heard comments about how the defense was trying to well, first of all, there's plenty of people in there that probably have axes to grind. There's going to be honorable people and dishonorable people, but this is not the crucible of cross examination. This is a jack smith pleading for both the court and for public attention. Again, in a case where jack smith pushed this ridiculous theory of a speedy trial a nonincarcerated defendant who is waving speedy trial really had to go to trial before super tuesday. That's the tell here that this entire thing is politicized. A real part of justice wouldn't be pushing for a speedy trial. They'd say, we're going to be transparent. We're going to turn over everything we can turn over. And you tell us when to try a judge that didn't happen? been hearing that poisons everything that comes after it. Well, i mean, the judge here is the one making the decisions. It's not jack smith who released this today was the judge, but but jim, you represented trump on this issue. So when trump is claiming and his team is arguing, everything that was done was in his official capacity as president therefore, they've argued none of this can go to trial the special counsel saying it's hard to imagine stronger evidence that conduct is private, that when the president excludes his white house counsel and only wishes to have his private counsel present. I mean, if it's white house business, why would the chief attorney in the white house not be allowed in the room? what's great about that is what follows next, or what would traditionally be covered by attorneyclient privilege communications. There is no executive privilege, no attorneyclient privilege in the mind of jack smith during this whole investigation. He had to go to a new grand jury to clean up the indictment, to straighten it out in terms of the potential for what was going to be admissible at this trial and what's going to be fought over in a hearing. And if he's made one mistake from appellate review of any of this is an overreach. It's not just that he had something inadmissible. It's contaminating the grand jury. This really reeks of, you can call them as you can call it desperate patient. But this is an effort to get his whole story out, to hope that the trial judge will agree with him 100% across the board and to have the public opinion sway on various quotes from various people and look, maybe some of these folks haven't, right? maybe he said things that were frustrated that he never should have said. Maybe they've got an ax to grind, but you're talking about the politicized process of challenging an election very publicly in many instances by this president becoming the new ground for criminal prosecution, not for insurrection, but for insurrection light. So there's just so many problems with this special counsel. And by the way, keep in mind, you've got a motion coming to track the motion we've got rid of that case for appointments clause insurrection light is a new one. We'll see where that goes from there. Thank you so much, jim. Trusty. I do want to take us now to the comment that donald trump made on camera tonight, reacting to this new filing from jack smith. Here's what he had to say. He's a deranged person. I call them deranged jack smith. He works for kamala and he works for joe. This was a weaponization of government and that's why was released 30 days before the election obviously, jack smith is a special counsel. He is supposed to act independent of the justice department. It's the same thing we saw happen with hunter biden up next, we're going to talk to the man who helped prep jd vance for last night's debate. As vance still have that question at the end that he did not answer. 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I just saw my car to karwan i just entered my license plate and it's sort of your questions i'm dropping off and getting paid today. Well, alter, the noodles. Doubt. Thanks for tuesday, karwan has all your car today, you get paid the same day with carbonic you're leaving me for a turbotax expert seeing it, adam durable, texas your pride's make the rules bertrand at the pentagon and this is cnn tonight filing, by the special counsel adds extra weight to the question of donald trump's running mate declined to answer at last night's debate, it was one that senator jd vance was asked again today why didn't you answer the question last night during the debate about who won the 2020 presidential election? well, look, here here's here's, here's the simple reason. The media is obsessed with talking about the election of four years ago. I'm focused on the election of 33 days from now my, source, tonight helped prepare senator vance for that debate last night, standing in as governor tim walz, he is the house majority whip. Republican congressman tim, emmer, tom emmer of minnesota and congressmen you know, a fellow minnesota and standing good against a fellow minnesota and who is on that debate stage last night? but, but in all seriousness, when you were prepping senator vance for this debate, you had to have an idea that that, that question was going to come up. It comes up in almost every interview that that vance does or that trump does, did you prepare an answer for that question? i actually kaitlan. It was an honor to play a small role in helping jd vance. Jd vance is brilliant and i predicted he was going to wipe the floor with tim walz in that debate last night, and that's exactly what he did. It was about the economy, it was about the border, it was about what a trump administration did what the harris administration has broken, and what trump and vance will do to fix it. So no, i thought it went extremely well. But did you think he'd get that question? did you talk about how to answer the 2020 question? listen, this is again, he answered it. You don't like the answer, but he answered it. This is something that you folks in the media want to focus on a regular basis. The american people, and thank goodness, jd vance and donald trump are focused on the election and how to fix this country. So i think he did so the question, what about voters who want to know if vance is someone who thought that? yeah, joe biden did win the election kaitlan what voters want to know unless you are a partisan that day is has different goals what voters want to know right now, any voters that are not decided is how can we get back that trump economy that created 7 million new jobs that had the lowest unemployment rate in almost half century, that saw american families bringing home $6,000 more a month compared to what we've had the last four years, which is 20% inflation in the average family actually spending $1,200 more a month for the same basket of goods they were buying before kamala harris went into office. They want to talk about the border. They want to talk about what you're going to do to solve the border crisis that has created a crime wave across this country by allowing rapists and murderers and gang members into this country illegally. So they want to know how are you going to, how are you going to create peace around the world? you're saying what voters want to hear you. We've actually seen polls that show voters are also concerned about democracy i just fear is higher than maybe some republicans might predict. And the reason i was especially curious what, what you would say to this and what you're thinking was going into this, knowing this would be a topic is because, you in 2020, you did sign onto that brief supporting a texas lawsuit that would have invalidated the election results in four states. But you ultimately chose to certify the election. You broke with some of your republican colleagues and you chose to certify. You said in a statement that congress does not have the authority to discard an individual slate of electors certified by a state legislature at according to their constitution and you yourself said doing so sets a precedent that i believe undermines the state based system some of elections that defines our republic that do you still feel that way tonight again, kaitlan, we're talking about an election that's going to take place in 35 days. What are you doing talking about something that's four years ago, we can talk still talking about so much the people are hurting well, with all due respect, kaitlan, people want to know they're hurting. They want to know how it's going to get fixed and it's been broken by kamala harris and joe biden, donald trump, and jd vance are going to fix it and that's why they're going to win the election on 5 november. Is that the tactic for republicans is just to not answer questions about that? just move on and focus on immigration, focus on the economy, both very important issues, but i mean as we can see by what donald trump is still saying, so is what happened with the election and his efforts to overturn it? apparently, you don't like my answer either with donald trump is saying is that he created an economy that works for everyone. One of the greatest economies this country's ever seen. Dialogue. Kamala harris, under her watch. They've created one of the worst for many americans. Many americans are suffering when they go to the grocery store, when they go to the gas pump they, tried to pay their bills, their suffering because of these failed policies under kamala harris and joe biden. And then you've got the open southern border and you've got you've got instability all around the globe because these guys are not competent. That's what people are concerned about. That's what they're going to be voting on in just a few weeks. Kaitlan and that's where the focus should be. This this kind of talk is just trying to distract from the issues that matter most it's not the we don't like your answer, congressman said it's a question worth asking given it is still very much a prevalent issue. Congressman tom emmer, thank you for your time tonight. Thank you. Kaitlan. Up next we have new details that are coming out of melania trump's upcoming book that is going to be released next week this might surprise you and a passionate defense abortion rights will tell you what the former first lady had to say cnn this morning with kasie hunt tomorrow at five eastern $273. This is how much you spend. Everyone comes subscriptions. I really have like two or three right? that's what we all think whenever reality, there's so much more that we don't even know we're paying for. 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Her fullthroated support for abortion rights is notable given her husband's three picks for the supreme court, or the reason roe versus wade was overturned. And leaving some states to ban or severely restrict access to that procedure overall, already straight to my panel of political sources tonight sara, this whole book rollout has been very interesting. We've been watching her kind of mysterious videos saying she's going to tell the truth. But this feels more strategic when you when you read this book that's coming out right before the election, where she's saying, i totally disagree with all of this and i think that women should it should have the right to choose its got to be politically calculated. I mean, this is one issue where donald trump tends to be the most fickle you mentioned on one hand that he goes out and tries to say, i put these three very conservative judges on the supreme court which overturned roe v. Wade on the other end, he's trying to say that the federal government should cover ivf and he's doing that kaitlan because he wants to play it to both sides. This election has the widest gender gap of any presidential election in history. He knows he needs the woman's vote what he's doing here, or what she's doing here on his behalf, i would assume is helping him to win the women's vote. And a way that doesn't have to put him as the person who's continues to be so fickle, it can be heard or as a representative of him. And obviously this is something that came up during the debate last night between senator vance and governor walz. They were both talking about this. I just want a preview of what that moment looked like because during the debate was when trump finally answered the question, he didn't answer from his debate, which is that he would veto a national abortion ban first of all, i never supported a national ban. I did during when i was running for senate in 2020 to talk about setting some minimum national standard for so many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy is something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships and we have got to earn people's trust back just mind your own business on this. Things work best when roe versus wade was in place, when we do a restoration of roe that works best i mean, what do you make of how that played out last night? i should note jd vance did say in 2022, he he was in favor of banning abortion nationwide, making it a legal nationwide is how he phrased it. But to hear that, to see meloni his comments, what do you make of this? well, first of all, jd vance quote, ll cool j he lied about the lies and he lied came to abortion. He absolutely was for a national abortion ban and then just got there, got out there. This guy changes personalities more than most people change their suits. And there's a reason the republican position on abortion is so extreme it is so radical and it is so antithetical to most people's common sense. Of course, people shouldn't, little girl should be forced to have their uncle's babies. I mean, they have crazy position than so trump is sana a pogo stick trying to bounce backwards and backwards on this thing. I don't know though, if melania trump is being used to teach. Or not. There does not seem to be a great deal of coordination or affection between this former first lady in this former president xi might just be making her own point and it may have nothing at all to do with strategic jury as they say. But the timing right before the election is what makes it feel very should, will because you're using reason and rationality. And i'm not sure that's present in this relationship is certainly not always president present in this campaign. We've got to look regardless of why she did it. Number one, she has the right to do it maybe women have different views from their husbands all the time. That's right. Well, i want to get to that because look, there are couples in the suburbs of philadelphia or pittsburgh and ohio and in florida and everywhere across the country have different views on not just this issue, but other issues i think it actually speaks well to the former president as he campaigns in terms of gaining people's trust on not just issues, but likability. This makes him seem a little normal. There are diverse couple who have different views on a key policy issue. And cheese, she is putting out on a book and you know what he's endorsing that book. He might not hold the same position, but i think it helps him politically because of that advance your talked about jd vance's past positions. I mean, if kamala harris has been criticized for positions she had in 2019 that she's now changed as vance allowed to change a position he held clearly in 2022 to now, you look, i think it's okay. Look, kamala harris, change, but really the whole democratic party changed. And 2020 because i'm kind of covid, fever took over and democrats were on really czar stuff, defund the police and all kinds of weird stuff, and anti fracking. But what's happened is it's not just commonly harris, the entire party backed away from the anti fracking thing because natural gas became a geopolitical weapon against putin. And so you haven't heard democrats criticizing fracking for four years so it's not like comments, it's kinda flipflopping. The party has evolved on these issues however, with the problem with jd vance, is he gave himself a personality transplant. He when he works here, it wasn't that he had a different policy positions. He was a different human being. He was kind he was engaging, he was thoughtful, and he became a caricature of a character of donald trump for the position of getting on this ticket. And i think that people can evolve, but that you don't change a personality for power oh, go ahead. And that tends to be the same argument by the way, that the democrats are using in comparing him to mike pence, who kind of did the same chameleon jump. Okay. This is the playbook that you have to run if you want to be donald trump's running mate, you have to comment out and get mass appeal. Obviously, jd vance said that with hillbilly elegy and the whole netflix show. But then you also have to make sure that you flip to make donald trump happy. And that's what he had to do under say, this is the bidenharris administration, and this is an administration that has been pushing for within ten years to ban gaspowered cars in the administration, not when she ran for office over the last few years. That's a bad sheets flip to ban to force an ev mandate. And she has reversed her position on that, and that's why donald trump's running ads on it. In michigan i just want to say nobody's tried to ban combustible engine. We did want to move more aggressively on electric vehicles and we had to backup you know, why? because the consumer demand wasn't there. So we actually respond to bakke's and markets. It's a ban will leave it there. 43 million people were watching last night. Thank you all. Tonight, i should also note a story that we're following closely here on cnn, the death toll across the southeast after hurricane helene swept through has now risen to 189 people. As tonight, the biden administration is deploying 1,000 active duty soldiers to bolster aid efforts. That are still very much underway tonight, both president biden and vice president harris were touring the historic devastation today. Biden got a briefing from fema officials in north carolina before getting in aerial tour of the destruction of the state. The mayor of asheville explain to me the other night that was so there wouldn't be a need to shut down that very few functioning roads that they have for a large presidential motorcade. Meanwhile, next door in georgia, harris herself got an up close look at the response efforts as she also met with families who are grieving there is real pain and trauma that has resulted because of this this hurricane and what has happened in terms of the aftermath of it. And so my final i'll point to the to the residents of this community and the region is that we are here for the long haul the white house says that vice president harris will also go to north carolina to see the damage there in the coming days. Coming up tonight. One of the most influential democratic voices of his generation, james carville. 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Now let's fewer than the 57 million who tuned in four years ago to watch kamala harris and mike pence debate. But after senator jd vance and governor walz left that stage last night, i got reaction from donald trump junior, who of course led a big push to get his dad to pick vance as his running mate he was probably more comfortable in those issues than most republicans are, or even on our strong points. So i think it was an incredible debate. Do you think he was more comfortable and those issues? then your dad was in the last debate. Well, you know, i don't think it wasn't necessarily a threeonone debate every month or dad to be saved, no one wants the threats against his life to happen, but you can't blame them media for those starts there's been no evidence drove those and allows people to have a platform to call someone literally hitler every day for nine years. It creates it, whether you want to believe it or not. That's a fact. But as you know, jd vance wants likened your dad to hitler as well. He questioned if he was america's hitler joining me now, democratic strategist james carville, first, what did you make your loan? forwardly are don junior fan, but that was exactly a horse, man, rob. Thank you. Supposed to go out imported good to face on it as you possibly can. I guess she was somewhere here the spin room visit. Interesting phenomenon, are like political people where it's just surrogates go there to say what their takeaways, what they want. They hoped that the candidate cheese, yet, yeah. I got yeah. Yeah. You've stand up, right spawn reverse outcome. Good thing. But if you're good at it though, like you more yeah. Yeah what were your takeaways from the debate last night? but my biggest takeaway was we knew who these people were. Okay in the balance is in kado smooth talk and educated either the guy, governor tim is a master sergeant, coach and the only thing that i thought and i just cannot believe and i think david axelrod certainly why haven't they just gone crazy over vance saying that donald trump's saved obamacare of debts not that's on the pants on far five stalled 20 pinocchio bs and it's a great issue for us. And i don't know why did not kick in that thing. It why don't have harris out their president obama moved, speak mobile speaker pelosi show everybody like, what are you talking about? he did everything he could to kill obamacare and that's my i thought it was fine. I thought the government did find jd vance was good at sentence. Construction, which isn't kind of minimum, but but he was all right at that. But i just somebody please please go kit to obamacare, trump's story. There but in that moment at the end where we're vance wouldn't say that biden won the election and talk to real certifying it. Do you think you think health care moment where trump tried, you think that's more powerful can take, will pop. We've been talking about biden won the election, sets election night. We've been talking about january the six since election night. There's 100% knowledge. He went out in tow a boldface lie about an issue that the democrats have a big advantage own, that's very important and very critical. People, if obamacare is not so popular, why do you take credit for something to take? tried to repeal. I don't know, 100 times i mean, i thought that was the teaching moment in the entire debate. Why you would ever get her a deal i don't know i don't know i think that the vice president campaign a very good at big events. Stay do debates, conventions by vp roe. Wow, they do a great job to get, get an aed daytoday, get in his face and put the microphone. And every republican candidate, do you think now on trump's saved obamacare, you're going to vote to save obamacare. You're going to vote to obamacare subsidies come up in 2025 let me man roe, something that matters to people about that mean that's the fundamentally matter of some people when you have such a strong political acumen, i mean, you were one of the loudest voices in the democratic party talking about biden and just the fact that he wasn't up to running in this 2024 race, you have a new dark coming out on cnn. It airs this premiers this saturday. I've already seen it. We were at the premiere. It's fantastic, but there was a moment in the 90 to bill clinton campaign where you took something that everyone else was panicking over and you tried to use it to your advantage? yes article in the wall street journal on friday. And here's a story that looks like he might be going away and somebody says look we have something that can kick this story an extra day my job was to convey to the crash in the public that we are tough. People at know what they doing because that was really part of what i was selling when you go are you going to let me answer the question even interrupted her that defiance ended up sending but bigger sigma the lasted throughout the whole campaign. If you've got a big problem confronted, don't hide it carnivals approach is just as relevant perhaps more relevant today, than it was in 99 to you've turned into the fire, you don't turn away from it you think the harris campaign should be turning into the fire more well, i like i say, i thank the big events extraordinary. Well, i don't say this is not turning into the fire. You you're sitting behind the lines lobbying artillery over. They are. Okay. I may just one is not hard 75% of the people kind of liked the fact that we cover a lot of people will have more affordable health insurance than we've ever had before. So i don't think there's no fire. Hear you you piling on, you shelling them and now you can do that too. Yeah. We don't need to if we can just that's what they actually said. This is what they actually did. It take every vote in every time that he said he was going to replace it with something terrific, we're still waiting, sir. You have to tune in this saturday, the cnn film carville winning has everything stupid. It premieres october 5th is 7:00 p. M. Eastern right here on cnn up next tonight, there are new strikes tonight in beirut as israel is promising a response to iran's missile attack, property rodak. What's it going to look like? have i got news for you? it's coming to cnn this fall pros and cons less pro hosted by roy wood jr. Row with amber ruffin with chaelian black. 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That includes near the very heart of the city's downtown area and officials there say that at least six people have been killed, several wounded, amid all of this as the israeli military is stepping up its attacks against the iranian backed group hezbollah is the world is watching and waiting to see how israel is going to respond to iran's massive missile attack yesterday, president biden made clear today what kind of response he won't support no. You have a right to respond respond my source tonight is israel's ambassador to the united nations, danny denote ambassador us folk today and you were saying that ron is going to face consequences for their actions that you said would be greater than they ever could have imagined. When do you expect? we will see that israeli response what happened last night was unprecedented. And i say today in the security council but it will be a very strong, painful respond it will be soon. The cabinet is thinking about the options, but i can tell you we will not did it. Why i won we pay a price for what they did. Attacking isabel, 10 million is very had to run for shelters. Imagine the entire population of new york city that have to run for shuttle in ten minutes. They will pay for that and i think they know that we have the capabilities to reach any destination in the middle the list. It's up to us to decide how to do it and what to target. You said sun has the israeli security cabinet made a decision on what that response will look like? but i'm not go into the details, but yes, a few options being discussed. And we will decide about the timing. But i think everybody understands, including our allies it's not about if there will be a respond, it about what will be their response will be the targets? and i think that event well, that when president biden says that israel shouldn't go near iran's nuclear sites, that that should not be part of the response you're considering is israel heeding that message or is that still something that's on the table? we have an open download with administration, but i want to ask you the question, what we want to do to wait for iran to have a nuclear capability and then they can put that on ballistic missiles and launches nuclear ballistic missiles into israel. When you see our nation that extending 200 ballistic missiles into civilian population. You have to stop them. We are going to be asked doing it now. It should be the responsibility of the u. S. And other western democracies to block iran from achieving nuclear capability. Otherwise would be too late that sounds like it is still something that's on the table for israel well, they know where i can tell you that we were all discussing the options and the targets, but we are taking it very seriously. You know, he totally have told us that when you have a radical leaders threatening to destroy the jewish people i don't believe him. When we see the intention and we see the capabilities and the that's why those ballistic missiles on our civilians. It makes one wonder, what should we do next then this night we celebrate the jewish new year is whether very hard deal for all of us, we still have the hostages for a year in captivity. So we are in pain, but we are not we are strong, we are determined. And i will feel it very soon and in that sense, as you, as you look at that, i mean, the concern from the broader world is israel response to this, and then iran feels the need to respond to that. And then this for tat at continues in this manner how do you how do you stop that? what does that look like? or does it risk opening up and making this a bigger war than what we're already seeing. I think that will be also part of the calculations about the target. We pick. We don't want to see photos curation. We don't want to see well, we are peaceful nation, but at the same time, you know, imagine that you had 200 rockets landing in one of the cities in new york. What would be the response of the u. S. Or any other it stayed around the world. You have to retaliate otherwise, you will bring more aggression to your people, to your country. But we would have to make it a calculated respond because we don't want to see full war with iran. And believe me, they also don't want to see it. We have shown our capability is when we felt hamas in gaza, but we are fighting hezbollah in lebanon liberal look what happened in beirut, and in gaza before the start of all with us and of course we're waiting to see what that israeli response is going to look like. You said, ambassador, that it is going to be soon obviously the world will be watching. I know it is the jewish new year coming up. Thank you. You so much for joining us during during the holidays, ambassador danny danon, thank you very much really appreciate that. Of course, we'll continue following all of that very closely, looking at what that israeli response is going to be. We'll continue that with cnn's coverage. Thank you so much for joining us cnn newsnight with abby phillip starts now puts h his cards on the table fr the american people to see