Straight to the source tonight, donald trump rallying this evening in pennsylvania, tearing into vice president harris, insisting it's too late for another debate on criticizing the early voting that his own party is pushing plus i have new reporting for you on mark robinson tonight. The embattled republican candidate for north carolina governor has just lost a big name supporter over disturbing comments that he wants made on a porn site we're seeing tonight for the first time, the chilling words of the suspect and that second assassination attempt of donald trump on the golf course i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source donald trump is on the campaign trail and pennsylvania tonight delivering a mixed message about early voting to his supporters. Just six weeks out from election day from that stage tonight, the former president encouraged pennsylvanians to get out and vote early in one breath. Then pushed baseless conspiracies about doing so moments later early voting begins in pennsylvania over the next two weeks. And we need each and every one of you to go out. Just don't take anything for granted and we got to get out and vote. You can start right away. You know that right now, we have this stupid stuff where you can wrote 45 days early i wonder what the hell happens during that 45. Let's move the cheeley's votes. You've got about 1 million votes and then let's move them were fixing the air conditioner in the room, right? now it's terrible. But what happened the last time was disgraceful, including right here. But we're not going to let it happen again to, you know, too big to rig right talk about whiplash for those in the audience tonight. Trump went after the vice president on that campaign stage tonight for promises that she's made out on the trail and that comes as he has continued to resist for challenge to meet him on the debate stage for at least one more time before november 5. Harris has been arguing there's a lot more for those two to talk about after she formally accepted cnn's invite for a second showdown exactly one month from today on october 23, for now, trump says he won't meet her on the debate stage because you guessed it. Early voting the problem with another debate is that it's just too late voting has already started. I'd love to, in many ways, but it's too late now i should know. We did not hear trump make that argument about debates when early voting was underway during his first two presidential bids. The final debate in 2016 between trump and hillary clinton was held on october 19, the final one of 2020 between trump and president biden october 22, that was 12 days before that election. They'll trump's advisors are telling me that for now, it does not seem like he's going to change his mind on meeting harris on the debate stage again. Though they acknowledged based on comments like these, it's ultimately up to trump himself. I just don't know that we will think so because we've done two debates and because they were successful, there will be no third debate. I did great with the debates and i think they've answered everything but maybe if i got in the right road, i don't know my sources tonight are top political insiders, former harris communications director and jamal simmons, former trump white house communications director, alyssa farah griffin, and cnn's chief media analyst, brian stelter. Alyssa, i should note it was republicans in pennsylvania who pass these early voting laws paul's that trump is now complaining about what that looks like, but that's certainly not what we've been hearing from. His daughterinlaw, who is the rnc cochair, who was saying, yes, we do want people to early vote. This goes back. It's giving me 2020 whiplash when his campaign was wanting him to promote early voting mailin voting as well during the pandemic. And then he would cast out on it same thing. He's got something intellectually he cannot accept the fact that you can vote early. It can be safe, it can be tabulated. He just has this very arcane way of looking at it but there's also the secondary thing that comes with trump, which is he wants to preemptively cast doubt on the results in case he loses, he's incapable of losing and accepting that he lost so he's done that a number of ways, just as he did in 2020, we heard him blaming jewish leaders. He had a dig at catholics. He cast doubt on the system. So it's twofold. He genuinely does not in my understanding, trust early voting, but he also wants to have something to blame if he loses. A lot of other republicans have been critical of what he's, his mixed messages on that's because they want it to help them help them in a critical senate race that's happening in pennsylvania. And jamal, senator j. D vance is running mate, was also talking about early voting when he was on the stage in north carolina tonight, listen to what he had to say about this this country has gone from election day to election season, but it is what it is. And we got to play by the rules that are set so use early voting, used mailin voting, used voting on election day, whatever you can to get out there and make sure that if 100 people plan to vote for donald trump, 100 people actually get out there and do vote for donalds i mean, if you're a republican voter, it's not totally clear what they want you to do here. It's not except for the leader of the party is telling you that he doesn't particularly invest in this process. Right? here's his party is investing a lot of early voting absolutely. And remember we've all lived through this i mean, remember georgia, those georgia standard elections which probably got skunk too, because donald trump went down there and skunk them here's what's happening to me. He's not playing when the actual game. He's playing to get to over time, believing he can work the refs and then try to win it. There. So what's happening is this is all about just getting the vote close enough that when they get to the day after election day, all that legal process, the lawyers, they've got the 150yearsold lawyers are putting him 15 battleground states whose job it is. The challenge votes at the voting site to challenge votes in the electoral in the board election board process, and then collect evidence for lawsuits this is what this is all about. It's not actually about winning the game well, we know they challenged it last time. Obviously we saw all the lawsuits dozens of them that were thrown up by courts that's a great question that jamal poses there, which is, is this going to be are they going to be better challenging the election this time, if, if it's closed and if it does doesn't go the way they think they are much better prepared. Now, i've talked to democrats inside super pacs were preparing for this possibility, who are already in september preparing for november, assuming that this is going to happen right? they are also laying the groundwork. It may be a little bit of mutually assured destruction that both sides are planning for this. But, but i think you're right to call this out and we in the media yet need to point out that it's happening as it's happening, so that people are not surprised in november. So people are not caught off guard in some of the documents that we've seen from 2020 that only came out earlier this year and litigation in wisconsin, one of the trump allies described the strategy has been thusly to create a cloud of confusion. It wasn't about when you're losing was about creating so much confusion the no one would know what happened. Here. That's what's happening now, they could argue, well, we're litigating this in court, so i mean, this is what trump wanted. The doj to do. And bill barr to do in 2020, which was just to say that they were doing something. And then jeff clark wanted they were trying to get him to do this, to say there was something there so they could point to something. The lawmakers on capitol hill could have something to talk. So there's something there, even though it's not legitimate and that's why perhaps we've already seen some lawsuits filed ahead of time challenging certain early voting rules. This is also why donald trump, by the way, played heavily and secretary of state races and even in state house races which are president traditionally wouldn't really put his finger on. But those are avenues that he can challenge the election results. So he has he talked to the michigan representatives in 2020. He wants to have allies there so that he can try to challenge it if he were to lose will change the rules in as many places as possible like georgia change the rules so that they can make it as difficult as possible and as much of a mess as possible. So i an account of every vote and state that's all is going is not been is accurate when they initially do it, it may require another hand count because to take days, this is not something that happens immediately when you got millions of votes on the table. Yeah, it's a good point and this all comes is we're debating over debates and whether or not there is going to be another showdown. I want to get your take on why harris wants another debate so bad, but, but bryan on just trump himself i've talked to a bunch of his allies and advisers who say, right now, we're not doing any more debates. We're standing by what he said. No more debates do you think that trump though, can resist? 70 million viewers two weeks before the election. If it's as close as the numbers we're looking at today, show us know that's why this is a very live possibility. Cnn had been working behind the scenes for weeks, trying to get to the point where on saturday, kamala harris said yes. And challenge trump to say yes. And both campaigns received a letter a threepage letter, offering this debate you know, i noticed that trump said, yeah, it's too late, but he also said, i'd love to do it, but that was the more interesting part of his coat on saturday, i'd love to debate. It's just too late. Historically, it's not too late. The final debates in 2016 and 2020 were basically around the same time as cnn's offering october 23 this year. I think he will. I mean, there's a very real chance he will agree for two reasons. One the ratings, as you said, huge audience that he can reach a number two is he really going to let j. D. Vance have the last word? does he trust his running mate to have the last word? the debates, there's one more debate. October 1, the vp debate coming up next week. Right now, that's the only debate scheduled. I don't believe that donald trump, once j. D. Vance to have the last word on the debate stage? well, listen, i mean, you worked for trial what do you i am i'm incredibly bullish. There will be another presidential debate. I think he, if he sees any internal polling, is that even look tight? you cannot turn down the option to have 70 million eyeballs glued to you. And i will say he performed substantially better in the second 2020 debate than he did the first one. Some would argue he really helped blues in the standby stand back one, but he was more ready and i think listen, trump's not even as sharp as he was in 2020, there's a case that he could actually do better in the second, i want to go back to the scene of the crime cnn's offering this debate in atlanta, the same place where trump defeated biden. Yeah. So there's something about that. I think emotionally and he, you know, he regrets that because it pushed biden out of the race she was running against president biden jamal from the harris perspective, what does she get out a second debate because she had a strong performance. People weren't sure how she would do is there a risk and a reward factor here for her? yes, some people would argue, take the money and run right one last time. I take it, take those benefits to keep going. I think the campaign is showing up on first of all, a lot of confidence because they're going after donald trump on this very question and they're even taunting him a little bit. This is one of the reasons you'd get them to do it is because they're basically calling him a chicken. And i don't know donald trump's going to be able to withstand six weeks of being called the chicken. So many animal we've got sport to get animals were going to do the whole thing think that but i think what they're doing is something that's a lot of confidence they want to show that they believe this candidate can do wish needs to do in a debate. And it doesn't matter if as alyssa says, she's not wrong, simply the person who is the incumbent don't trump in this case is looking like the incumbent. That's better in the second debate than they do in the first debate so even the danger, the danger for the campaign is that of donald trump lances a good blow, if he just said one good thing, they hope he can go out and talk about who tried to turn that into a moment. But the bigger danger is that donald trump can't do it and that she looks even stronger as voters are looking to get one more touching feel of her. They want to see her one more time, a little scratch and sniff, make sure that she's actually the person that they want and they can vote for her on election day, 8% of voters want to know more about, or that's a prime opportunity to do it. Right? well, but trump would also we'll have that moment because those those people who are not early voting, who are tuning in, or the people who have not yet cast their ballots potentially and want to see what trump has to say. And of course, it was his campaign manager who was walking around business cards. It said anywhere anytime anyplace about about debates. But also i want to ask you because we hear a lot from trump and he was criticizing heard tonight for reversing her her policy on fracking. We hear from trump on his economic policy. He's been talking about tariffs that he wants to impose if he went to a second election and he's been saying he doesn't feel like he needs to go to congress today. He was sitting in front of two john deere tractors when he said this about the company moving some of its manufacturing to mexico i just notice behind me john deere tractors, i know a lot about john deere. I love the company, but as you know, they've announced a few days ago that they're going to move a lot of their manufacturing business to mexico. I'm just notifying john deere right now if you do that, we're putting a 200% tariff on everything that you want to sell into the united states i mean, somewhere paul ryan is rolling over. I mean, he's not he's still with us, but it's there's nothing about that. That's conservative economically. It's also just terrible policy to threaten a beloved company with a strong brand name. And a huge population of workers in the country that you're going to penalize them if they loot, i leave the country. Of course, a better response would be we're going to make the conditions better here that you're not going to want to leave his message in 2016 and to some degree, 2020 was onshoring american jobs, rebuilding manufacturing investing in the american worker. Now it's something very different. Its retaliatory, it's about sticking and yet to china but not thinking about the cost that fall to consumers. He's not running as a republican. I cannot point this out enough as the owner of a john deere tractor in my barn that sounds like a strong man. That sounds like a strong man, not republican or democrat the two things he believed in tariffs and antiimmigration, does two things he's been consistent about. Oh, we gotta good morning to you. Come over for driving along with john dewey plowing this time of year. Seltzer. Thank you. Alyssa and jamal, we'll be right back with us because up next, we're going to talk about why trump is lashing out tonight in a republican who is refusing to do his bidding 43 days out from the election plus i have new reporting for you tonight on the republican who is running for governor in north carolina. In the wake of his pornsite scandal, mark robinson just lost a big name supporter source with kaitlan collins brought to you by jp morgan wealth management thinking i'm thinking about her honeymoon, about africa so far hot air balloon ride swim with elephants, wait, 342 so far great question. 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That's because the republican lawmaker is refusing to go along with a push by the former president and his allies to change a 30yearold state election law, roughly 40 days before the election tonight, ump is calling state senator mike mcdonald, quote, just another grandstander. Trump and his allies see, had wanted mcdonald to help republicans get enough support to make nebraska a winner take all state in november effectively hand trump an extra electoral vote and potentially taking one away from vice president, vice president harris. Nebraska is one of two two states that awards electoral votes by congressional district. In omaha is seen, is that blue. In the red state, giving democrats a shot at a piece of nebraska every four years now to understand just how decisive that one vote could be come november, listen to what senator lindsey graham had to say that one electoral vote could be the difference between harris being president, not during my political sources here at the table tonight is the chair of the nebraska democratic party, jane club, and it's great to have you here because there had been this very intense lobbying effort on mike mcdonald to go along with this to have enough support to call it a special session and change this law. What do you make of the fact that he resisted this nebraska has this beautiful long tradition of being very independent. We have a nonpartisan, unicameral. We have 100% public power. And mike mcdonald really is a son of the state. He decided that he was going to really stand up to trump's boole's to the lobbying efforts by trump and his cronies and decided that he was going to say, look, if you of any political party wants to change the electoral vote system, that shouldn't be right before an election. And you should put it on the ballot. Let nebraska voters decide. And i think what you're going to see is a lot of voters really defending mike of both parties. What we see in nebraska as both republicans, democrats, and independents, they want a fair system. They want politicians who are actually going to say what? they mean. And that's exactly what mike did. And he said he wasn't going to change his mind on this months ago that yet all of lobbying, all of the efforts came up by trump and he stood his ground. Yeah, a personal call from trump on speaker with lindsey graham didn't even change his mind. And jamal, the reason this matters so much in that trump is calling in to try to change this if on election night this could be the story that we're all talking about. If harris wins michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and she gets this one vote in nebraska, she could have 270 votes. She could win back, could be the 270 in a night that could stretch on and we just talked about how georgia may go on for a couple of days or arizona or one of these states that could be so razorthin she might north carolina, even that might be the place where the 270 comes, which might make the other ones a little less stressful. It won't stop donald trump from fighting it though, just because he didn't win the day, doesn't mean he won't keep pushing on this. You know what i'm interested in though, is trump is fighting to change this law, but he's not really fighting to win exactly what i was going to say. So we have all these massive blue dot signs and harris and walz signs all over the district and trump doesn't have a single office open. He has one staff member on the ground versus the democrats and the kamala harris and walz campaign. We have 25 coordinated campaign staff, three offices open. Were competing for every vote. We don't take anything for granted. And if trump is so worried about winning, compete like get in the field and compete at the spending. Alyssa, i mean, just i want your thoughts on this. Trump is spending about 100,000, $100,000 the harriswalz campaign is more than $5 million but delta there, this is what donald trump does so as much as he moans about, you know, the system is rigged and stacked against him he actually likes to get in and change the system in his favor. I think of the republican primary he changed many of the contest to be winner take all that in nikki haley or someone didn't have a more formidable chance of taking him on and challenging him. This is exactly the same thing. He's actually far more frankly, guilty of trying to bend the rules in his favor. Favor than the democrats have been in recent years. And it just goes to show he's not trying to win it. He just wants to have that extra, you know, you're trying to get it without having to do the work that which is so ironic, given what we have republicans on and we asked them about not certifying the votes are not saying the election was fair in 2020, they point a lot of times to election law, changes before the 2020 election during the pandemic. But here the republicans are trying to change a state law 40 days out from an election. Hey, when are we expecting intellectual consistency out of the donald trump campaign that's not the game that they're playing. Hi there, clare playing when this is all about power politics, donald trump's never been somebody. He's not even consistent with the statement he may have made earlier in the day. If he doesn't think that it will help them later in the evening. So i think you just can't look to donald trump to do something that's going to be something that we're going to look to look back at. And political science books and say, oh, here was an argument that really want on the day at the moment of donald trump's election, the other state we're watching closely is of course, north carolina and seeing what's going to happen there. And the governor, the republican nominee for governor, alissa, has been totally embroiled in scandals since kfile reported about comments that he made on a porn site a decade ago, about a decade ago, i just got our reporting before we came on air tonight, the atlanta journal constitution had reached out to governor kemp's office because he had spoke at a fundraiser for robinson just last month brian kemp, the very popular republican governor of georgia, and also the cochair of the republican governors association. The vice chair said tonight that he's no longer supporting robinson. What do you make of that? it's a significant move by whether most popular republicans in the country and someone who is seen to have a postdonald trump future. If donald trump loses, i think a lot of eyes will look to him and glenn youngkin is the future of the party. I actually genuinely believed brian kemp is it just a principled person? i don't know that i think this is purely a political coldplay. He's at times stood by people like brad raffensperger who donald trump has gone after, and people in his state who have been on the receiving end of his backlash. But listen, north carolina, a state that could help determine this election. Donald trump in the north carolina gop decided to run a radioactive candidate that before kfile uncovered any of this had a bad enough record? already knew about holocaust denialism. We already knew about antisemitic comments. This is just the icing on the cake. And frankly, if he ends up being a drag, which is rare, he could actually end up hurting donald trump in a state he needs to win. A state like georgia. One thing you don't do, you don't attack krispy kreme doughnuts? i did gotten problem and you don't attack martin luther king. And a lot of people that's they do. This is a guy who's come out and said bad things about warmth the king, he said he's pro slavery and would own some if it were illegal. And he says he's a black nazi. So you can't be pro hitler, and antiquing and expect to do well, is it like georgia and brian kemp's good politician? he knows that's not where he wants to be. When you're looking at north carolina on this issue, i think a lot of republicans think mark robinson's going to lose the race for governor that josh stein, the democrats going to win. But even if they're conceding that, what about a depressing downballot? i mean, you're very familiar with state elections and what this looks like, and that's a real concern. It seems that party members have there's no question. First, north carolina has one of the best state party chairs so shout out to anderson. I know she's on cnn a lot. What happens on the ticket, especially with younger voters, they're actually hyperfocused on downballot races. And because they know how important abortion laws, climate change issues of race and criminal justice happen at the state level, not at the federal level. So you can see a lot of young people and women and communities the caller really focusing in on the governor's race in downballot. And then that then they vote uptick it, right? in some voters obviously go to vote for harris and walz are trump in advance. I was like, who is who has decided to actually put their name on the ballot with him and then vote downballot. So it goes both ways and so there's no question that i think this helps democrat so if you are in this position and this was your party, you would be concerned that it would affect everyone else on that ticket? no question. The republicans are terrified and i think this is hopefully going to be one of those moments that shocks the republican back into the middle. But i think we're probably at least another two election cycles before they wake up and realize that they actually had to come back to the middle to win elections yeah, we heard from vance today, senator vance on this, he was asked by our embed kit maher if she if he would condemn what he said to disavow mark robinson, and he essentially said mark robinson needs to speak for himself and he said that mark robinson said these comments aren't true. I mean, cnn's reporting is that they were his username is email it looked and i just wonder what you make of how compared how kemp is talking about this to how vance is talking about listening stance doesn't really have the freedom to go out on a limb and say like, i'm going to condemn that. He takes his cues from donald trump down trump's not someone who admits fault, says they candidates he endorsed were bad. He kind of takes the never apologize and never be apologizing for someone else approach i think that's what vance is doing, but i think as someone like thom tillis who in a cycle is going to have a very competitive race in north carolina, a consummate centrist republican who actually gets things done for the state, who's going to have a tougher race because of candidates like this. But besmirching the name of the gop and the party and making it look trump/vance voices have sound super healthy where's mike pence harris need to do because you're looking at this polling today and you see that trump is ahead of her by 55 in arizona. No clear winner for georgia and north carolina, they're within that margin of error. I mean, if you're the harris campaign, how do they? they take advantage of this with six weeks to go. I mean, look, i think do you see what they're trying to do now, which is creating ad that tie trump to mark robinson they're going to keep trying to make this case over and over again. She's going to keep showing up there. The one thing that's happening in north carolina that's different than georgia is that north carolina you're seeing white college educated voters, whoever increased in there the percentages in that state, and they are more likely to vote for are in georgia. That's not necessarily true. Those white college educated voters are still voting conservative. So even though you've got more africanamericans in georgia, which is how you win in north carolina, you actually have two great big populations of folks to appeal to. I think that's what they're going after. Jamal simmons, alyssa farah griffin, jane club. Great to have you on thank you so much for being here up next, we're going to take a first look at the chilling handwritten letter that was released today. You can see the letter itself from the man suspected of trying to assassinate former president trump rated oprah winfrey show of all time. We're still talking about it. She opened the door to have discussions about outweigh in a way that we had not before tv on the edge, moments that shaped our culture. Sunday at nine on cnn, get the most his bidding when i saw that ethan was not breathing i determined that i needed to use something to remove the obstruction from his airway. 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Shall we heavy into wow we move into monday i'll be on until now surge ai assistant in the hotels. Com app. So you know, honda's 22yearsold and we've been together most of my life not often. You have a childhood dog that leaves this long. So i think it's really unique and special that we've experienced so many so many things in life together knowing that he's getting good nutrition and that he has energy is a huge relief for me and my dad took them a little have had this time with hi now, back news night with abby phillip tonight at ten eastern on cnn court today revealed this handwritten letter that you are looking at here, address to the world making clear that the man who sat in the trees with a rifle at donald trump's golf course, was going to try to kill him because of ryan ruth's own words, the fed's plan to charge him with attempted assassination. But tonight in a lengthy post railing against the fbi and the justice department, trump claims that they are downplaying the investigation. And in all camp said to let florida handle the case, arguing that state charges would be much more serious than the ones the fbi has announced joining me tonight is the state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg. Dave, i we have been hearing this from the florida attorney general, ashley moody, and she sent a letter to the director of the fbi today, chris wray saying that they are involved in these politically motivated prosecutions of donald trump. And demanding they share evidence and cooperate with florida's separate investigation into this what's your thoughts on the argument that florida is better position to investigate this than the federal government is kaitlan, you only part of the argument that i would agree with is that when it comes to the crime of attempted murder, that's generally a state crime and it's not unusual for state prosecutors to assist with a federal investigation. But what's happening here? is that the state prosecutors are designed to compete with the federal investigation because a politics of turf war based on politics and that only causes problems. Fortunately, the statewide prosecutor, the one at the state level, who is in charge of the investigation is a good guy who's not political. Nick cox and i know who do the right thing. And when the feds our done with their investigation, they can turn the evidence over to the state. But you're dealing with a state investigation that's premised on the belief that the feds are corrupt and compromised and so when the state asked for evidence and demands it, what do you think the feds are gonna do you think they're going to willingly give it over with before their investigation has done not a chance saying, you know, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar yeah. And is there anything that you've seen so far? i mean, i was i was reading to what prosecutors were saying during that threehour court hearing today. It seems like a pretty detailed investigation. They were laying out a roadmap of where they're going, where the fingerprints were at the scene of this attempted assassination? have you seen anything that indicates to you that the federal government is downplaying this investigation they're not. And i do think that governor desantis and the attorney general are jumping the gun when they say that this is small ball the fed's filed these gun charges because they were the easiest charges against ruth. And that's to keep him behind bars while they continue to collect evidence to file more serious charge. Remember, there hasn't even been an indictment yet. This at the beginning, not the end. And i do think the federal government, as they collect more evidence, will go ahead within indictment, then includes a more serious charge, perhaps, of the attempted assassination of a major presidential candidate any attempted assassination of a former president, which can get you life in prison. So i do think it's premature to say, look, the feds are charging seriously enough when if the state had this case, they would be doing the same thing. You have to base them on the evidence and the law dave aronberg. Thank you for that, and i always want to get some perspective tonight because we've got cnn's senior legal analyst, elie honig, cure just a technical question. Ryan ruth is in federal custody. Would they even be able to turn him over to state custody until after this trial would be done. So he can be prosecuted both federally and in the state at the same time. But you're right, the feds would the absolutely keep custody of him. And this is the most important point i want to make care if donald trump wants this case prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law, he wants the feds to do this. And i have always was both federal and state over my career, generally speaking, federal prosecutors have a heavier hammer than state prosecutors. They have better sentencing. There's no parole. They have better bail laws so he should want the feds to do this, okay. But i have to ask you because they did release this letter today. It's from ryan route that he had written before what happened in palm beach happen, but he said this letter essentially that he was he was out to assassinate donald trump. He said he had failed on it for attorney general, bill barr is bashing them for releasing this. He said today that he was dumbfounded by the decision to do so. He said it serves no purpose, quote, other than to risk inciting further violence. By that he was referencing how ryan rules set in here about $150,000 reward for whoever was successful it does bill barr have a point? he does. I don't often agree with bill barr, but i agree with him here. What the feds could have done in their brief and i read it, it's a powerful brief has just say we recovered a letter from him, from his possessions where he says this was an attempted assassination. That's it. Instead, they publish the whole letter, which to somebody who's unbalanced or dangerous could see that as some sort of call to arms i disagree with that tactic by the feds. I think it's counterproductive elie honig. Thank you. Great to have you up next. Of course, we are covering a story here that everyone is paying attention to the pentagon is about to send more us forces to the middle east as we are seeing tensions in that region reached an alltime high have i got news for you are pretty yeah what are the kinds we could run on the news? more than would never happened if i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn and streaming next day on max. I am tony hawk and like many of you, i take a statin to reduce cholesterol, but statins can also deplete cookie ten levels. 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In this is cnn tomorrow we're going to hear president biden deliver his last major speech to world leaders at the united nations general assembly here in new york just as the pentagon says, it is sending a small number of troops to bolster forces already in the middle east. As violence is escalating in the region there, as we can so clearly see, is on edge look at this today israel launched its deadliest day of strikes and lebanon, since it's 2006 war, the idf saying that 1,600 hezbollah targets and assets were hit in that attack. And also that its war with the, with the iranbacked militant group, not the lebanese people, lebanese officials say that there are at least 400 492 people who were killed in today's attacks now, this offensive is coming just days after thousands of hezbollah own pagers and walkietalkies exploded in civilian areas last week. I want to get perspective now from evelyn farkas, who is the former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine, and eurasia. It's great to have you here because essentially it seems to be that israel's hope is if they scale up their attacks enough on hezbollah, it's going to force this group that is backed by iran to ultimately pull back. Do you think that strategy is working yeah. I mean, kaitlan, it's clearly not working right now. He hezbollah has said they're not going to pull back. They are continuing to assert that everything hinges on gaza, that if israel doesn't make a deal, you know, to have a ceasefire to release the hostages just to release, of course palestinian prisoners in exchange that his below will continue fighting in solidarity with their hamas terrorists brotherin. So they don't appear to be backing down even though of course they must be devastated by these attacks now, just on the civilians. But of course, on their command, on their leadership, and then on the rank and file with the pagers so i think a lot of people are sitting at home and saying, i have watched this region beyond edge since the october 7 attack last year, we're almost at the one year anniversary. What do you what is the conversation happening inside the pentagon, inside the sit room that as warranting the u. S. Sending more us troops to the region yeah i mean kaitlan all along the administration has been determined to prevent the war that was basically started by hamas. And let's be clear iran, because iran is the, you know, iran is supporting these proxy militaries, these proxy terrorists the war was started in with that october invasion of israel from gaza however there was always this low level skirmish and going on between israel and hezbollah in the north, coming out of lebanon the administration though was very clear, it did not want another fullfledged war. We haven't had a war between israel and lebanon, or at least hezbollah and lebanon since 2006 and it was really important for the administration to prevent that from happening because of course, the loss of life, but also there's no end game. I mean, to what end and how do you bring it to a conclusion? and it seems that the israeli government again is going down a road of kind of fullout war, or at least it appears to be moving in that after action where it's unclear how they will bring this to a conclusion. Well, given that and given right now, there's no credible real prospect for a hostage release or a ceasefire deal. Do you think this is entering a different phase of this war? it feels that way, kaitlan, but it remains to be seen. I think a lot depends on frankly, what iran wants hezbollah has shown some restraint and it may be that they are, first of all, of course, they control lebanon, which is a state, so they have a greater substance the responsibility, i guess somehow there they have behaved in the past with some more restraint. Iran is we have been getting mixed messages from iran because on the one hand, you have a president who is of course, interested in getting the sanctions removed. And he said that publicly, the president then of course, is not the power in iran. The powers really held by the religious leadership. And then of course the irgc, the quds force these military commanders. So the but the military commanders also understand there's a balance to be maintained because the iranian people don't want these continued sanctions the question really is, how long will iran support hezbollah in a fight with israel and whether the israelis can move back because they really want to move their citizens back to the border, which frankly i think they made a bad decision letting their civilians leave when they did. But that's another issue. We'll be talking about it at all as we are watching it very closely. Also, president biden's speech here tomorrow to see what he says about this evelyn farkas. Great to have you joining us tonight. Thank you thank you. Kaitlan. Up next we have a story for you. You about a murder that galvanized the civil rights movement. And now nearly 70 years later, we're still learning many details some that frankly i didn't know about the brutal killing of the 14yearold emmett till. 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Next on cnn closed captioning brought to you by meso book if you or a loved one have news of helium up. We'll send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and we'll come to you 808 to 14000 it was 69 years ago today that an all white and then all male jury in sumner, mississippi acquitted two white men in the brutal lynching of a black 14yearold by the name of emmett till months later, the same two men admitted to the crime in a magazine interview that they were paid for it's a story that many of us know very well, or at least thought we did. My next guest grew up just 23 miles from where emmett till was murdered. But the history book that he wrote in high school never even mentioned till's name and it wasn't until he left the state for college that he learned a story that's shaped the civil rights movement in america. My source tonight is right, right. Thompson, the bestselling author of the new book, the barn at the secret history of a murder and mississippi, you spent four years researching this book and talk about how a lot of these details about his murder that, that aren't wellknown to the title of the book, alludes to, were hidden in plain sight kind of. Well, i mean the thing that totally shocked me when i got into it was how much of it had been erased. And then when you start digging into it intentionally erased, i mean, one of the things that i came away believing about our country, frankly was that like the real enemy of the american experience is a racer and so what, you know, what i found was people who over the course of 70 years had been trying to erase this crime. And then a group of people now who are trying to fight a racer with memory well it's interesting. I mean, i'm also from the south and it's this idea of growing up in not knowing what happened, where you're from. The atrocities that were committed there. And how that eraser as you write and put it, that it doesn't really help. Because when you hide those hateful things, review and this is what you wrote, you said you never learn the lesson that hate grow stronger and more resistant when it's pushed underground. Well, you know, it's like the very basic thing. I think that should be the american tribe is built on, is honesty. And like, let's talk about who we are. Let's talk about how we got here. I mean, i was sitting back in the green room watching the ticker a ball while the crazy news and like i watch, i watch news all the time and my main question is, how did we get here and so i think a very real way the answer to that question runs through the barn where emmett till was killed. I mean, it's like a vessel. I don't know if that makes sense. It's like a vessel for the american past, but also for the american present i mean, i feel like i consume network and cable news and it feels like every minute of every show, no matter what the topic is actually really about the same thing, which is like an urgent search for the soul of america and i certainly found that in this story, who are we? how did we get here? and so i'm guessing that way, i never really thought about it, but, you know, the barn is the barn where him it was killed is also a vessel for our future. And i just feel like there are a lot of lessons about our country that feel super urgent and present tense right now in the story, what do you mean it's a vessel for our, for our future explain that to me like, if you look at the history of the land around the barn, which is a big part of what the book is about, because that's where he was tortured and he was tortured and killed all of the things that happened around there. And you realize how these people came into intersection in this place. And in this time. And when you start finding out when you start reading the book, i think part of you might think, what does any of this have to do with the killing of emmett till? and i think by the time you get to the end of it, you don't really know why this isn't how you're taught it in school and by that you mean because there was a governor's race happening and mississippi that had ended just before emmett till came down from chicago. One of the things i certainly didn't realize is that i mean, this was the rhetoric in the 1955 mississippi governor's race will be very familiar anybody who was watching your show tonight i mean, the speeches, they were giving on the stump wouldn't be that different than the speech we were watching former president trump give tonight. And it was really super charged rhetoric. And the people got the message and so the election was on a tuesday and emmett and his cousins and his friends went to the store on a wednesday. And so one of the many untold things about this story is that it is so closely related to political rhetoric. And two metaphorical violent rhetoric. And like i did, i certainly wasn't taught any of that mississippi. I don't know if you are an alabama the fear mongering that you hear in the speeches of politicians is what leads to violence that we see in this. It's just like you end up with like small people who will do anything for a vote and don't realize that there are angry, desperate people listening to and you just see happening over and over and over its powerful and really painful to read this book. And i just wonder as someone from the south who didn't learn about this growing up, how that makes you feel as you were looking through this and thinking, what if i had known this when i was 14yearsold? my mom is very politically active on facebook and she lives alone and sometimes i worry about her mom's are yeah. One time i asked her what, you know, just what, you saw, what you went an argument on the internet, big deal. And what she said to me was i grew up in mississippi in the 50s and 60s and didn't really understand what was going on. And i when i learned i promised myself that if ever had the chance again, i wouldn't be silent and so yeah, i'm a sportswriter usually. I mean, i came across this in the pandemic and got completely obsessed with the fact that i grew up 20 minutes from here and never knew this barn existed and it was part of that is trying to live up to the example of my mother, frankly, which is when you know something it is a combatant. It's incumbent upon you as a citizen of the mississippi delta and of mississippi of the south of america. To say something and not be silent fight, thompson, you are certainly not being silent. It's a it's a beautiful rate and i have raids at thank you for joining us really appreciate it. The book is the barn by right. Thompson thank you all so much for joining us here tonight. Cnn news newsnight with abby ph starts right now.
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