From the campaign. And i wish them well in their future endeavors. I look forward to announcing new staff roles in the coming days cnn, kfile senior editor andrew kaczynski, who broke this story is joining us now with more details. Andrew, what more are you learning? yeah, that's right. What we are learning that the top campaign staff to lieutenant governor mark robinson, are resigning from his campaign in mass, including the campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, senior adviser, and top consultant to his campaign finance director, deputy finance director, and his direction tour of operations this is a stunning development after our bombshell story that we posted last thursday, his staff are leaving the campaign now, it's unclear where this is going to leave. Robinson were just a month away almost from the election and now he essentially has almost no we'll senior campaign staff now we did speak to robinson ahead of our story on thursday where he denied all the allegations in them. Take a listen to a little bit of what he told cnn and this is not characteristic of me nor has it ever has it ever been done, not going to get into the minutiae of house on my manufacturer this all these salacious tabloid last but i can tell you this. There's been over $1 million spent on me through ai the things that people can do with the internet. Now it was incredible. It's just like clarence thomas said years ago, this is a hightech lynching back long years ago, but used to use wrote nauta using table now we were able to track robinson to those comments that we found that he made on a pornographic forum where he called himself a quote, black nazi. He said he would prefer hitler to the leadership in washington during the presidency of barak obama in one disturbing comments, he said he supported reinstating slavery along with a whole lot of other comments, some of which we can not even say on air. Now, when we confronted robinson, as you heard, he vehemently denied it was him, but cnn was able to trace this to him because he used a common username across both the forum where he made that and all of his social media and qt, including previously on twitter, he left biographical details on that forum, showing it was him. We showed that we saw that he that same email that he used on that form along with his real name, which he used he used elsewhere. So we were able to trace that digital well trail of breadcrumbs to mark robinson and only mark robinson all right. It is incredible reporting. Andrew kaczynski. Thank you so much for that. I also want to bring in cnn's dianne gallagher who's been following mark robinson's campaign this year. That gubernatorial race there in north carolina, she joins us on the phone from north carolina dianne, what are you hearing from your sources tonight and what have the last few days like been inside the campaign. I know former president donald trump was also in north carolina over the weekend that's right. And they were definitely not together, but both campaigning on saturday here in north carolina. I will add that in addition to what andy just reported about the top advisor campaign manager, finance director, and deputy campaign manager stepping down from the robinson campaign. I can now report that according to his top senior adviser conrad floor zelenskyy, he is telling cnn that, quote, the reports are true that i along with others from the campaign, had left on our own accord now it's top adviser says, in addition to those that were announced by the campaign as leaving also to political directors and the director of operations have also resigned. So we're looking at really the senior brain trust of the robinson gubernatorial okay. Campaign. All leaving it appears some sometime today or at least making those announcements sometime today just a few days after reports that bombshell kfile investigation, i have reached out to the campaign about the additional departures, but i have not heard back from them just yet on those and jessica, at the end of this announcement of those departures officially, the campaign, robinson noted that i'm confident that our campaign remains in a strong position to make our case to the voters and win on november 5, i will tell you that republicans here in north carolina aren't so sure about that. The state party is standing behind him effectively issuing a statement saying that we believe has denials and we think this is the left trying to make this about personality but they're republicans in the state who are concerned about the toxicity of robinson's campaign potentially not just down the ballot, but even maybe up the ballot, talking about former president trump in a state that he is virtually tied with vice president kamala harris right now. On polling. Now he is back on the campaign trail of robinson. Is he actually had an event, a meet and greet at a speedway in fayetteville last night where he spoke briefly before the event and then shook hands with people he didn't necessarily address the investigation directly, but he did sort of allude to it saying, quote, we are going to focus on the issues that you're concerned with. Everybody else wants to focus on the garbage and the trash that tries to do much people were out her telling people about what we want to do, how we want to partner with you to make this state better and make your lives better. Jessica, he has to meet and greet events scheduled for tomorrow where he is supposed to have sort of these small little events that it just started really having a few weeks ago, the campaign had not been super robust with these public events, but we've seen it sort of ramp up recently we're hoping to attend and to see how he interacts with these voters. I can say that from local affiliate coverage, many of the voters who are we're at that speedway say that they either didn't care what was unearth in that investigation or they did not believe it, but these are staunch robinson supporters. Others in north carolina, including elected republican officials, tried to sort of keep their distance a bit, either, not commenting at all, or just attempting to, again, keep that distance democrats on the other hand, have been sort of searching for any kind of picture that they can find that the republican opponent with robinson, any sort of endorsement or even just nice comments? they may have made about the lieutenant governor to try and tie them to robinson. And also against some of what was on earth in this kfile investigation. There is, again, much concern about what this may do on a downballot race for republicans in this state? yeah, that is that is the big question. Downballot republicans and also to your point, also, what if anything it might do to the top of the ticket as well. All right. Dianne gallagher, andrew kaczynski. Our thanks to both this a view. Let's go two more breaking news. Now, this from capitol hill where tonight house speaker mike johnson has released a new shortterm spending bill in the latest attempt to avoid a looming government shutdown johnson in a letter to his fellow house republicans warning allowing the government to shut down close to an election would quote, be an act of political malpractice. Cnn's julia benbrook joins us now from the white house and julia, this follows another proposal that he just couldn't get the votes for. What is he proposing in this in this new legislation? this time around, this plan seems to have bipartisan support in a letter that house speaker mike johnson wrote to his colleagues, he outlined what they're looking at and that is extending the funding until december 20, yes. With a limited continuing resolution. So likely setting up another fight right before the holidays, but after the presidential election in that letter, johnson said, quote, our legislation will be very narrow, bare barebones cr including only the extensions that are absolutely necessary. While this is not the solution, any of us prefer it is the most prudent path forward under the present circumstances. Now, we know that it does include some funding for the secret service that has been a big time topic on capitol hill following those two apparent assassination attempts against former president donald trump this bill comes after, like you said, some failed attempts and democrats are accusing johnson of wasting time by bringing a bill last week that was opposed by most democrats and several republicans. He leads with a very narrow majority, but this time around they are praising bipartisan negotiations in fact, senate majority leader chuck schumer said that it is three of cuts and poison pills and hakeem jeffries, the minority leader in the house he said that he thinks that there is a path forward. So a lot of hope as they go into monday that they can at least kick the can down the road, but a few more hurdles until it arrives here on the president's desk. Jessica, right? julia benbrook at the white house as far as thank you so much there has been violence every day this week on both sides of the israeli lebanese border. Where do things go from here that is the question. A lot of people are asking. We're going to talk about it next in the cnn took culture over the edge. People are watching and then are world change. He had an explosive reverberation tv on the edge premieres tonight at nine on cnn roses really it's something you build over time it's 21 mr. 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But it appears those rockets that weren't intercepted hit other areas, causing a few injuries and some damage to property while israel continues to strike targets in southern lebanon, more than 300 between and saturday and sunday in beirut, hezbollah held a funeral for ibrahim aqil, one of the group's senior commanders killed along with more than a dozen other militants in an israeli airstrike on southern beirut friday, the strike also killed more than 30 civilians, including women and children funeral hezbollah's deputy leader, naim cost him, vowed that his butler's strikes deep inside israel or an installment in what he called a battle how limits and said despite the pager and walkietalkie attacks and friday's airstrike in beirut. The group will continue to fire into israel israeli officials, are making equally dire threats toward hezbollah with israeli army chief of staff, herzi halevi saying, our strikes will intensify jessica and wedeman. Thank you for that latest reporting. And let's talk further about it with cnn. Military analysts and retired us army commanding general mark hertling and former middle east negotiator for the state department, aaron david miller good evening to both of you. Thanks for being here with us general hertling. Let's start first with you taking this week as a whole. I want to know your thoughts about israel's approach to this conflict with hezbollah well, that used electronic capabilities to set off the communication devices within the hezbollah military wing of the terrorist organization i talked to our colleague jim sciutto on thursday about this, saying that that attack on first of beepers and then the walkietalkies was likely meant to disrupt and cause churn within hezbollah. And sure enough, it likely did because israel was able to take some of the intelligence just from that churn and target the following days in the missile strikes so what you see now in my view, and i'm sure aaron has a view on this too there's a lot of churn in that terrorist organization. Ben wedeman's report was interesting, but i'd suggest that hezbollah is not going to be able to conduct many operations he did do a strike as he said, this morning with several missiles longer range missiles and haifa, but i don't think they're going to be able to sustain a whole lot more that kinds of strikes hezbollah has been conducting with 30 to 50 missiles a day coming across the border prior to this, i think we're going to see a slowing of hezbollah's actions, but a continuation of israel's actions. And aaron, i do want to get your thoughts on that and also kind of underscoring this point that the president and the administration who said they are concerned about this escalating, and that they are trying to resolve this diplomatically there's also this idea of, on israel's part of escalating to deescalate. If that is something you think is possible that's certainly a hard thing to get exactly right? i think it is. I think mark mark hertling got it right. That in fact, there's a lot of churn in his ball and if you look at their response, it's been tension. You see once short range missiles further than any point since october 7, but they avoided and i think we'll continue to avoid major israeli infrastructure and population centers none of the key cities, haifa tech berries, aria, were impacted over the last three or four days. So i think that hassan nasrallah now missing several of his core confidence and commanders is in no way shape, or form prepared to assuming the israelis want this. And that's arguable to play into israel's hands by attacking population centers which is going to result in a massive israeli retaliation. And remember, those high trajectory weapons that they have 150 to 200,000, they're not there to fight palestinians or frankly to fudge israelis and israel. They're there as a hedge, should us or israel at some point strike it arounds conventional or unconventional nuclear facility? please directly in iran. So i suspect general holder, i think he's right. I think this is going to continue now, you always run the risk of one side misreading or miscalculating. But i still believe that neither side once the kind of rate is going to demonstrate the kind of risk readiness that could trip everyone into suddenly middle east has never experienced before which is a major multifront regional war and lieutenant general. So there's hamas and hezbollah, obviously both backed and proxies of iran. But different in that fighting a war with hamas there's one thing fighting with hezbollah is different militarily, can you help explain how and why that is yeah, it's a great question. Jessica, because this this brings the scope out a little bit further i think israel wants to finish the fight against hamas in gaza. They have plans that are rumbling a little bit within the israeli defense ministry as well as the government about what to do next. And there's some, there's some really well, let's just say bold plans being generated within the israeli defense force so that's why i think the israeli ministers have said we are looking to escalate in order to deescalate, they needed to strike the second front, which is hezbollah, to keep them at bay. And i agree completely with erin, the fact that hezbollah will strike only if they know they can gain a victory and they can't right now. But at the same time, israel has to be very careful about continuing to open both of those fronts, both in the north and in the south, and potentially even some other actors from syria, yemen, iraq, and other places attacking into israel. So israel obviously lives in a bad neighborhood they want to tamp down things as best they can while continuing to defeat hamas and gaza potentially getting the hostages back before anyone in israel wants a second front war with hezbollah. So that's why they're trying to tamp them down. And from a military perspective and so aaron to that end, what are you looking for over the next few days and weeks? what are you looking out for? what do you think will be indicators of how this is going to progress? well, again, i think i think nasrallah basically it's made it unmistakably clear despite his rhetoric. He's going to wait to see what the israelis do next and they're going to keep as far as going to keep their minimum response within and escalatory ladder to avoid what what they warn who were boys a massive israeli counterresponse. I do worry about one thing though, jessica, that is usually have demonstrated incredible tactical brilliance and maybe maybe tactics ultimately is, is in fact the road too gratitude. But if you take a look at this situation now, there is no prospects of a ceasefire in gaza. Prime minister of israel today and inform the knesset committee that he believes out at 101 hostages that a mass holds half of them are dead hamas is going to continue to survive as an insurgency and 11 on the israeli space strategic quandary, what to do about to 70,000 israelis who are dislocated from their homes in northern israel and hezbollah has effectively created a security zone inside of israel. A nogo zone where people cannot go and return to their homes. That's a real problem because those people cannot go back unless there is rahel assurance through israeli military dominance that is vulnerable will not launch incursions as hamas did on october 7, with their elite radwan forces so that's a problem mirroring the tactics to the ultimate strategy. And again, it's hard to believe october 7 is the first call it first anniversary, the first marking of this war extraordinary alright, lieutenant general mark hertling and aaron david miller. Thanks to both of you. 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And perhaps a century harris now leaving trump, leading trump by five points in a new national poll from nbc news, 49% trump's 44%. Now that is the lowest level of support seen any poll for the former president since harris entered the race in late july. And a new polling average conducted by cnn shows the same theme that we've been seeing no clear leader, harris and trump deadlocked in this race. Well within the margin of error. And again, that's a national poll trump continuing to lead when it comes to issues like inflation he shouldn't and the economy and this just into cnn, vice president harris, thank she will be laying out her economic vision during a speech this week. So let's talk to some experts to break this all down. No credit pollster and ceo of the terror group at tom banja and republican pollster and ceo of walling opinion research justin, justin wallen. So good to have both of you here. There's a lot of numbers to chew on, but tom, i want to start first with the economy. What we were just talking about, the vice president going to do yet another big speech on the economy. I would guess based on what you're seeing from voters, that's no accident, that that's what she's talking about yeah. That's right. And it's nothing new when we look at the relative importance of issues the economy is always going to be one of the top issues you mentioned the polling there. We have seen in some of these latest polls that you mentioned that present isn't trump still has an advantage on that issue. What's remarkable to me about the polling, though, is that generally republicans have a much bigger lead on the economy. Generally candidates who aren't in the incumbents or the incumbent party have a bigger lead so the fact that the vice president is bearing down on this issue, i think is a positive sign in terms of the traction they see her getting on the issue and the potential to really improve her numbers even more and justin, there's been a major push for outreach to independence, of course, but even some republican voters who may not feel comfortable or want to vote for the former president or maybe are waffling there, but are concerned about these key issues like the economy have you talked to some of those voters? what do they want to hear from harris on the economy to convince them or also too, what do they want to hear from the former president that's a great question. I mean, the reality is those voters who do remain undecided, it's not a massive group, but it's a very, very important group because of course this is very, very close, as you noted earlier those folks have not yet heard from either candidate a credible path towards resolving those issues. Their most important to them. And as tom mentioned, as you mentioned, first and foremost, it's the economy. And i think that both of them, if there too really prosecute their case, they need to establish a gap here and neither of the really have. I mean, i think harris has done an incredible job curating her brand up until now and if she wishes to create a sort of a gap that's be honest. Numerical gap that's actually a statistical gap. She's going to really need to elucidate some of these items. And trump hasn't done a better job hi there. They're both in this kind of stasis where one needs to break away and make that point or make that case that neither has really made it a meaningful way i also want to ask about at tom, this favorability swing that we saw an nbc news poll harris with this 16 point jump in favourability, which they say is the biggest jump of any politician in their polling since president george w bush, after 911. What does that tell you? and what are the realworld impacts of that? well, it shows us what we've been seeing also in a lot of the other data beyond the polling is just the amazing excitement and enthusiasm that vice president harris and her campaign have been inspiring since july 21, when president biden withdrew from the race. And endorsed her since that moment we've seen massive increases in registration from younger voters, women, women of color, part of that is just benefiting from prior to that point most americans didn't want to see a rematch of the 2020 race. And so seeing vice premier president harris entering as a new candidate as a young and energetic candidate, then also seeing the contrast that we saw a couple of weeks ago in that debate. I think is driving those favorabilities in terms of what it means for the race, while those new voter registrations are probably the most impactful part of this because we know that people who registered to vote for the first time, they voted a much higher rate in the subsequent election are numbers show over at 3% turnout from new registrants in 2020. That excitement, enthusiasm, those favorable numbers that you're seeing are likely to be adding just more turnout for her base, which this close of an election can make. The difference. Alright, tom ban, you're adjusting well and i'm sorry, we ran out of time. I'd love to talk so many more numbers with both of you will have to come back. Thank you so much. Thank you, jessica silva, come, israel and hezbollah trading hundreds of attacks prompting fears of an allout conflict and ukraine's president arriving in the us to push western leaders for more help against russia. Up next, we're going to talk with congressman jake auchincloss about these conflicts and america's potential role in bringing them to an end. Reaction to the first one on one was overwhelming. The idea he's fictional character played any role in politics is bananas tv on the edge, moments that shaped our culture premieres tonight at nine on cnn, i just found out i've been paying for 27 subscriptions out you add 27 kids. You didn't know money yes it was rocking you had to netflix accounts. I had to fubo counts. How much ryan did it save you 700 bucks i guess if you guys want to save some money, download rocket money, it probably will cover the drinks wet amd, you never want to lose sight of the things you love. 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State department is telling americans leave lebanon while commercial flights are still available, issuing a level four, do not travel alert joining us now is congressman jake auchincloss of massachusetts, congressman, thanks so much for being here. I first just want to ask you what you think the u. S. Role is? here as we see this conflict between israel and hezbollah intensifying good evening, thanks for having me on again the u. S role here can be summed up in one word, which is iran israel is surrounded by a ring of fire. It's got hamas do its south as his but led to its north. It's got proxy terror forces in iraq and syria. It's got cyber attacks against its civil infrastructure. I know that right now, the story is his beloved, but israel is going to be fighting this ring of fire until it's flame is extinguished. And ultimately it is all fueled by iran since trump revoked the jcpoa, the united states has not had a coherent strategy against iran that revocation was disastrous. And now i think we really need a bipartisan commitment to engage iran so that it stops attacking israel from all fronts. And that strategy needs to do a few things. One has got a wedge, iran from china. China's sustaining iran finances through oil imports it has to isolate the hard line regime going into the impending death of the ayatollah and a new succession. And it has to uplift iranian middleclass and civil society, which is actually pretty tolerant and does not want the regime to be isolated. And we're pretty close to election day and when it gets to be that close to elections, especially in the house, i know it gets harder and harder to act on anything. But do you think that there is an appetite for something like what you're talking about? there needs to be and it may need to come from congress for exactly that point because of the ferocity of presidential politics right now. But we need bipartisan committee. I'm on the select committee on china. That's been a bipartisan oasis in this last congress, which has been largely marked by partisan dysfunction. Thanks for speaker mike johnson but it sends a strong message since to china, the chinese communist party, as they aware that washington is actually oriented and largely unified in regards to the threat that china poses, particularly in the indopacific, we need similar strength and clarity regarding iran because we cannot keep allowing israel to have to fight one tentacle of the dr. Post after the other without ever hitting it squarely in the head and i'm going to connect the dots here with what you're talking about with china, iran, and then the third part of that, russia and of course ukraine in the fight for its life against russia right now, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy isn't the u. S u. S. This week he's been touring an ammunition factory in pennsylvania. He's going to meet with president biden later this week. And we know that he's pushing for fewer limits on using these longrange missiles, being able to go further in, farther into russia. Do you support ukraine? stridently in vocally, we need to unleash ukraine to win this war. The united states had labored under these kinds of restrictions in world war ii, we would not have been able to defeat germany and japan. In particular, we have got to authorize ukraine to use us made at 16s and atacms to strike russian troops staging sites and their oil refining sites. There's four sites outside of moscow in particular that account for 20 to 30% of russian oil refining capacity. They're all within atacms range. Ukraine should be allowed to strike those four sites repeatedly. And at scale so that vladimir putin is not able to turn all petroleum to f war economy. Why do you think there's been such a hang up on this? misplaced fear of escalation. I think the administration regrettably is indexing to a concern that if we unleash ukraine to strike russian energy infrastructure, putin will escalate with more ferocity of attacks he's already brutally an unprovoked, launched an assault against a sovereign state. The truth threat of escalation is that he wins. Then he takes kyiv and he starts to look at poland are true, russia on nato conflict. I think that we have seen over this last two decades that russia understands one language only that is strength. And we need to equip ukraine to win this war all right, congressman jake auchincloss. Thank you so much for your time tonight. We appreciate it good to be with the mayor of birmingham, alabama says gun violence. There is, at quote, an epidemic level. This after gunman killed four people overnight, wounded 17 others, we're going have the latest on that investigation next got news for you saturday at nine on cnn what you're doing, just buying a car on carbonic you or not? yeah. 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The past hour, we've learned the white house is now coordinating with state and local officials. There in alabama. Cnn's rafael romo joins us now live from birmingham raphael, the gunmen remain at large. The manhunt is underway. What more are you learning and as far as what authorities have public plead this close, jessica, there's very little that they know about the suspects. And that's probably why birmingham police are not only asking the public to share any information about the shooting they're also asking area businesses here where we are for surveillance video that might have caught images of the suspects there are several key details but officials have revealed so far first, birmingham police chief scott lirman says several individuals showed up in a car shortly after 11 last night, got out of the car alright. 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You're very, very emotional jackson quickly realize that he wasn't i'm talking just another fan. All right. Let's cnn propaganda. Cnn propaganda described to cnn as i'm seeing it as the worst outlet how do to get out questions now. I love how a neon they all just for gelling about cnn. What else did you learn in putting this together? donie it's the friends he makes along the way yeah. Well, thankfully, the show is coming up right next right after this, so i don't have to try to explain to you in the course of two minutes, swap maga communism is but you are going to hear an explanation to that oxymoronic term it coming up but look, we're looking here at really disillusioned aggrieved men who feel that american politics have left them behind. A lot of these guys that we meet this episode were bernie bros, bernie sanders supporters just up until a few years ago and have made this very hard pivots to the far rice it is it's very fascinating to see kind of the swing on that spectrum. One young man tried to explain his worldview to you. What tell us more about, i know you've talked to a lot of people but this person in particular what did you think? yes. So jackson henkel, he's 24 24yearsold. He a few years ago, a surfer, kids in california now he is a socalled maga communist. He has a huge following on x and on other social media platforms where he is pushing i really prorussia, prochina pretty wild propaganda i asked him to explain to me a bit white why such an embrace of these countries and what is maga communism? you can't genuinely say that people in russia and people in china have more liberties than people in the united states. Thanks well, there's no free speech you have, you have a lot of free speech really you take i have free speech. You don't think give free speech though. I mean, what? let's the public square today, it's obviously social media. You have 3 million followers on x. You could pose whatever you want your hosting events here how do you not have free speech while kind of various speeches? being curtailed? very simple. It's very simple. Yes, i have 3 million followers on x. But what about instagram? i've been banned. Youtube, i've been banned. I was banned from riaa, a dating site jackson's bans might have something to do with his repeated sharings of hateful posts and his celebrations of violence you look like you're in pain. I'd been left frustrated and confused jackson, did he really believe all the stuff he was saying or is he just doing it all for social media, closure for money yeah. As you heard there, jackson's free speech has been attacked. He says because he's been banned from a dating site but look, just what we're really getting into. With this is an and people might find it difficult to figure out how can somebody go from the very far left to seemingly very farright and such a small period of time. And look, it is a phenomenon that's really happening there online. You actually see a lot of former fox news and other very hard rice influencers and presenters who now have their shows own shows on social media platforms. Teaming up with people who but traditionally be seen as being on the very far left. So this is actually a pretty deliberate strategy that is happening on the part. We actually know it's also being pushed specifically by countries like russia where it is trying to tap into the the feelings that the disillusionment that a lot of young americans, especially young american men, have with the political process here and really kind of pulling them into this world of propaganda and conspiracy you see theories. It is fascinating stuff. Donie o'sullivan is going to take us there next thanks so much for joining us to talk about it and just a reminder to be sure