Georgia. Even as election officials argue, it could be illegal, donald trump's allies pushed it through. Plus, we'll go inside trump world on the drama in north carolina. The republican trump endorsed for governor, refusing to drop out in the wake of cnn's explosive exclusive report, revealing that he called himself a black nazi on a porn forum plus a fed up florida sheriff now publicly identifying kids arrested for threatening violence, calling on parents to do their jobs, saying that if they won't he will tonight, he's my source. I'm boris sanchez, and this is the source thanks for joining us. Some boris sanchez in for kaitlan collins a battleground state election board just made a move that could upend the entire election if that rule change stance, we're talking about georgia, where vice president kamala harris stump today. We're donald trump narrowly lost in 2020 and then demanded that election officials find him votes ultimately leading him to a criminal charges. Now for years later, new concerns are emerging after the pro majority on georgia's election board voted today to force counties to hand count all ballots on election day, despite objections from the republican secretary of state and republican attorney general, warning that might be illegal. The three republicans on the panel got a very public shout out from trump himself last month we have to make sure that we stopped them from cheating because they cheat like heard, but the georgia state election board is in a very positive way. This is a very positive thing. They're on fire that doing a great job, three members three people are all pit bulls fighting for honesty, transparency, and victory there, fighting now those three socalled pit bulls, according to trump, made a move that some are warning could disrupt or delay the whole certification process. The vote was 32 and one of those two who voted against the change joins us. Now, let's go straight to the source with the only democrat on the georgia state election board, sara tindall, ghazal sara, thank you so much for sharing your evening with us. Do remember it took about a week in 2020 for that henry count of every presidential ballot in georgia. From a practical standpoint, what is this going to mean in terms of figuring out who wins? well, first it's a little bit different from that. The audit what what the rule that we pass tonight requires is that the actual ballot papers are counted. They're not doing a hand tabulations, so it shouldn't take days but it certainly will take hours and in the aftermath of 2020, our legislature set incredibly tight deadlines for recording the actual tabulation. So if if counties haven't uploaded their vote totals by midnight, there out of compliance, they have violated state statute. And this rule is going and to make it incredibly difficult for counties to do that. So we're really setting them up for failure. Do you anticipate this is going to wind up in court and do you think it could be adjudicated before election day? i would not be at all surprised if it winds up in court. I certainly hope it would be adjudicated. Courts need to be expediting all electionrelated cases right now and it's certainly made clear to us and this is something i argued initially because as the only attorney on the board i understand the scope of our authority and this goes way beyond it so i expect it will be will be sued over it which is what our terror had warned everyone, but i am hopeful that the courts will see, see fit be done with it quickly. Sure. You sort of alluded to this a moment ago, but i was hoping you might expand on the new rule. Was proposed by someone known for peddling conspiracy theories about election workers. Do you think the election denialism from 2020 and trump's lies about it ultimately influence this board literally every single a petition that we have heard and we have passed has been brought to the board by somebody who denies the 2020 election results. That is the only thing motivating these rules. This is not the standard rulemaking process that should be deliberative, that should involve will the election administrators themselves. It should involve our attorneys that's not how any of this happened sara tindall, ghazal, we have to leave the conversation there. Appreciate your time. My pleasure my political sources tonight, a senior advisor on hillary clinton's 2016 campaign, karen finney, and former senior adviser to mitch mcconnell, scott jennings. A pleasure to share this evening with both of you. Turn it how big a concern is this for the state of georgia, one that democrats clearly think they can win? yeah, it's a bit big concern in georgia, but you have to take to vantage points on this, having done elections in georgia, this is a strategy designed to sow chaos that we will have lawsuits. There will be a lot of backandforth and the coming weeks, we have 46 days to the election ballots have already been printed. All of that, one of the concerns is you can even train ballot workers in time on how to do this. And there's lots of concerns about what's the chain of custody of the paper ballots. There's lots of issues here so that's a separate issue. The larger issue as again, sowing chaos because if you part of what they were doing was giving themselves the authority to delay certifying the election. And what that means that throws not just georgia into chaos but the whole election into chaos. It also provides a rash so now potentially for donald trump's something i think we all believe he will do anyway, to claim that there was a problem with the election. I mean, on the debate stage, you said our elections are a disaster, right? so it's a way to create, if people are seeing stories that there was some problem in georgia, it's a way to throw the whole thing into chaos. Like he tried to do in 2020. And just basically slow down the system and by himself time as he tries to fight it out again. So it's yes, there's a georgia specific problem, but it also creates potentially a national problem. Scott we know someone that doesn't like it when these vote tallies take too long. Let's watch terrible thing. Went ballots could be collected after an election, and i don't think it's fair that we have to wait a long period of time after the election. I think it's terrible when we can't know the results of an election the night of the election in a modern day age of computer it seems like four years ago, trump didn't like this idea. What do you say to karen who argues that republicans are opening up an opportunity to sow chaos oh, i think handcounting fiveandahalf million ballots would take a very long time and i mean, i'm only moderately good at math fiveandahalf million pieces of papers, like a lot to me and so i understand i understand the concerns about the logistics of it and how long it would take and what that could do so i suspect that's why when this gets sued and it goes to court, a judge is there's probably a strong possibility going to say, look, we're too close to the election and tried to implement something like this. On the other hand, i will just say i do think there are republicans in georgia who do want more certainty in the outcome of the ballot counting and they just, they want to feel like there are many eyes on it as possible to give them the people of georgia the most confidence they can have that everything was counted properly and so on and so forth. Don't want to cast any aspersions on the motives here. But it does strike me that the logistics of this would make it difficult. They did some other things too increase confidence in the election, which are probably fine, but counting fiveandahalf million ballots it's hard by hand and then machines, you know, they're pretty good yeah. I was just going to say actually this week i had a briefing on georgia and was able to look at some internal data that showed, interestingly enough, moderate voters, liberal voters in georgia, even some moderate republicans in focus groups said, oh yeah, they're trying to steal the election. We know what they're up to, so what's interesting is the, what this could also have an impact of having people surge to the polls to say they're trying to take it away from us. Oh hell, no, we're going to vote in bigger numbers to make sure that they can take it away from us. So it's interesting. Look, i'm just telling you think there are people who are, who were actively planning not to vote, if not, but for this arcane man, no, i'm saying that there are people who are more motivated to vote, particularly black voters for whom voting in georgia is really hard. Sometimes in all debts, not been there. Is a long people have, we have stories of people having to go on for hours all over the place ever been easier to vote in america and in georgia than it is, right well, i'll tell you, i hope they don't get 30, so they don't have to have somebody bring them water but we're going to play this game again, something else i wanted to see about specifically in nebraska, because that rational district that won electoral vote proved pivotal in this election, trump was on a call this week trying to sway republicans there to change the rules. Shouldn't you just go there and campaign and win it outright instead of trying to change the rules. Well, i don't know. I mean, it is unusual to do something like this. Of course it was unusual for democrats to throw biden out at the lastminute two, so i guess we're having a summer and fall of unusual activities. It strikes me what i've heard is that it's not likely to happen. I guess they're trying and look, i think both campaigns are scraping and clawing for every advantage you're right, it is pivotal. I still think you. Know if you look at harris and she were win the blue wall but lose his sunbelt. She needs that. They can get into to 70 so it is a vital matter for her to be able to compete in that one congressional district. They do do it differently there than most other states. So if they changed, it would bring them in line with most states. But it's. Still seems like it's uphill to change it at this point, but we'll see they would wind up sending a tide electoral college to the house and widely expected to potentially win there. I want to pivot. You mentioned the sunbelt to vice president kamala harris in georgia today, obviously underscoring the importance of the peach state. I want to share with you some of what she had to say think about that and these hypocrites want to start talking about this isn't the best interest of women and children who have been care of the women and children of america draw attention there to the deaths of two women that a propublica report linked to the state's abortion restrictions what do you make of her trying to put a human face on this issue? it seems like it could be fraud, potentially well, look, i don't know if we had the opportunity to see or hear from the mother of one of the women who spoke last night at the event with oprah. And i mean, she said, i'm just a broken person from what happened to their daughter, they recently only recently learned that their daughter was left to suffer for 20 hours because the doctors weren't is, you know, is there life in danger? can we do something? can we not do something? and that's not the only story i think what is important, this is exactly what we warned about when roe v. Wade was overturned turn and it went back to the states that the states were going to pass draconian laws that were endangering women's lives. We also heard last night from beautiful hadley, who was featured actually in an adding kentucky who at 12yearsold, had to have an abortion after seven years of being one raped by her father. So these are real stories. These are real women. This is really happening in this country and i think they're it doesn't just happen to the woman who happens to the men who love them. It happens to families, and it doesn't need to and the thing that this mother said last night, that was just broke your heart? she said it was preventable it was just so preventable. So that's part of what the vice president is talking about and talking about the need to this is our freedom for many women. We don't for us, this is our ability to make decisions about our body is a fundamental issue. It is an economic issue, it is a personal issue as a healthcare issue so i think it's important that she continues on to talk about that. Scott last word to you, your thoughts on this approach? well, i think for harris it's obviously the issues she cares about the most as part of their core strategy to try to when the election and all these swing states and i would expect this to be part of their campaign moving forward, the question is, is it going to be more important than the economy immigration, crime, and other things? and that's what's what the next 40 something days is about. Scott jennings, karen finney. Appreciate you staying up late with us tonight. Names much new tonight. A fundraiser for the republican nominee for governor in north carolina was just canceled. More fallout for mark robinson in the wake of cnn's report that he called himself a black nazi on a foreign web site and a sheriff says he's been pushed to the limit, fed up with kids, making fake threats to schools. 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Ad paid for by reelect mayor london breed 2024. Financial disclosures are available at sfethics. Org. The whisker family and try a literal by today i mourn liebermann at the pentagon. And this is cnn their way out in north carolina. And mark robinson's name sits right there as the republican nominee for governor that's despite cnn's kfile reporting about his online posts on a porn forum between 2008 and 2012, calling himself a black nazi, a quote perv, who supports the return of slavery robinson has denied at all, saying it's not him and that these are salacious tabloid lies. But we're learning as donald trump holds a rally in north carolina tomorrow, the lieutenant governor has not been invited hi, did as democrats race to tie robinson even closer to trump, whether it's on billboards or ads like this one it's been an unbelievable lieutenant governor mark robinson for me, there's no compromise on abortion. I think you're better than martin luther king we could pass a bill saying you can't have an abortion in north carolina for any reason my next source is the chair of the north carolina democratic party, anderson clayton anderson. Thank you so much for being with us. Mark robinson, one statewide office despite previously saying a lot of other outrageous things and i just want to remind viewers because of what they were. Let's play a clip night on saturday night, bedded, go to the men's bathroom outside, so many freedoms were lost during the civil rights movement that shouldn't have been lost. There have no reason anybody anywhere american telling me about gender razom homosexuality, any of that filth as he denies cnn's reporting, do you think this news is going to turn away voters when all that other stuff didn't seem to what you just said it yourself that donald trump's not having him at his rally tomorrow. So that should tell you something. I think about the distance that they're trying to show. We've also seen folks like luke farley who is running for commissioner of labor as the republican nominee this year, deletes social media posts with mark robinson's rep. Mark robinson last night, and also other folks like lorie book out who's running against don davis and cd1 in the northeastern part of our state also do the same. They are trying to separate themselves from him, but they will not publicly, no republican candidate in north carolina or incumbent has come out but in publicly said that they would like to see mark robinson step down or not maintained the governor's office or the nomination. What do you make of that i mean, i think it shows you that mark robinson represents the republican party and that donald trump and mark robinson are no different. They're the exact same extremism and we see it up and down the ballot in north carolina right now, whether that be someone unlike michele morrow, who's running for superintendent of schools right now, who is called for the public execution of president barak obama and our governor roy cooper here in north carolina to folks like dan bishop, who is the author of hb2 and our state from 2016, the bathroom bill that costs north carolina over 3 billion in economic opportunity across our state. I mean, you're looking at people that do not represent north carolina values whatsoever at every level of the ballot this year on the republican side, i spoke to a former republican governor, pat mccrory today who said that rumors about robinson's private life had been swirling for years among members of both parties so did it surprise you that this came to light just as the deadline hit for robinson to be replaced on the ballot look, i think it was a lastditch effort potentially by the republicans, but i also think that they have been touting this man across the state for the last year as their candidate and every single republican has proudly come out the door. Somebody who to your point earlier called himself, quote, a nazi and honestly took out or took notes from mine count, like we are literally seeing someone right now who is a person that would take north carolina back to a place that we do not recognize. And i think is important for everybody tuning in right now from north carolina to understand that you have so many more qualified candidates running up and down the ballot this year that want to represent your best interest. And you can get out on the doors this weekend with us and help talk to voters about the importance of this election by going to ncdp. Org and helping us out. Your state historically has split the ticket and in the last 11 presidential elections it's gone to democrats exactly once. I mean cooper got elected twice and both times donald trump won north carolina. A cooper, i should point out where cooper is a democratic governor do you think that his scandal robinson scandal could actually have an effect a ballot until the presidential race i absolutely think mark robinson should bring donald trump down, but i also think that you have to look at the fact that the last time a democratic want or democrat won our presidential race here in north carolina, we had a democratic state legislature. And right now, we sit in a super minority in both chambers by one seat in north carolina state house and state senate, and republican gins have had majority control to gerrymander our state disenfranchise voters. Those especially in northeastern north carolina right now. And we're fighting to make sure that we have free and fair elections this year in the state by electing folks like supreme court justice allison riggs back to the bench this year to fight for better, better folks across north carolina that deserve the opportunity to actually have their voices presented in politics and not have politicians picking their voters anderson clayton, appreciate the time, thanks for joining us. Thank you and tonight there is new reporting on how trump's team is handling the fallout from cnn's report while trump has stayed mum about robinson, he is soon expected to break his silence the new york times, maggie haberman is here with her reporting, maggie, thanks so much for being with us. Sources told you that trump is set to weigh in at some point between now and his event tomorrow in north carolina, what do you anticipate that's going to look like? i think it's going to look like saying the minimum. What most people who have talked to him said they expect him to say as some version of i hardly know the guy as we know right now, democrats are airing an ad tying trump to mark robinson. And i don't know if that might make him say something different. If he would want to condemn it or tried to distance himself further and be more forceful about it. But his team is certainly looking to put a lot of miles between donald trump and mark robinson and had been i should note, leading up to this because there has been as discussed before, this swirl of rumors around him for some time, a lot of concerns around him for some time, trump got behind him anyway. And here we are. We know robinson is not expected at that rally tomorrow, but he has been a frequent presence at trump's events. There, the former president has said things like this lieutenant governor, mark robinson. This is martin luther king on steroids. I think you're better than martin luther king. I think you are martin luther king times two once distance between him and robinson, but noted, he's already using that as part of her ads. What goes into the calculus over how much trump is going to say, like how is that decision ultimately made? the problem with trying to come up with a calculus for what trump is going to say is that trump often does, then goes out and says whatever he wants or said something different. We're post at 1:00 a. M. On truth, social, and so the plans can get up ended by the candidate. What his advisers would like him to do is to put, again, put more distance between himself and rob vincent. There are some people who thought that trump needs to publicly disavow robinson. And i think that's what we are watching for to see if he does anything like that tomorrow, saying something like, i hardly know the guy we have heard him say that about dozens and dozens of people controversial endorsees, controversial supporters, controversial former adviser there's and so the list goes on and on the weight of what is swirling around mark robinson is so much that i think it's going to be hard for trump to just say that, but let's say yeah, it's a common theme of the trump era for sure so as trump is preparing for this rally tomorrow, there was a moment at his new york rally. It was just a split second, but was quite revealing. And i want to play it now we will go in to a depression, but just as a wise guy, covenant this guy, i feel like i'm getting ready. I'm going like this little bit of a yep. Problem here right that was amazing. I was already stuck duking it out he describes it as a bit of a yip problem. He seems to flinch when he out of the corner of his eyes sees some movement and imagines someone lunging out from the crowd. What did you think when you saw that? so it's her i was in the arena on long island for that rally. It was hard from where we were to see it. I had to go back and look at the video. We could hear him clearly something had happened, looking at his face is very telling because you see his eyes dart off to the right and he jerks his body and he says it they thought that somebody was coming up to the stage. This is clearly his reaction after what happened on sunday when there was another apparent assassination attempt on him, the second in just over two months and he is he is on edge for him to say that he is a problem which is an acknowledgement of anxiety is pretty unusual for a guy who likes to project strength at all times how was the assassination attempts? this continued warning from officials that tehran is plotting something to eliminate him. How has all of that changed his views of the race and running for president, if at all? he and his campaign feel very under siege. They just feel as if they are under attack all the time in one way or another. And for a variety of reasons, there were physical threats. There are internet threats that there is a number of threats and it's coming from various places. There's the iranians that you mentioned, but there's the one shooter in butler, pennsylvania and there's the alleged gunman in florida and it's so far there's no reason to believe that those have ties to anybody. Those are those are just people who were activated on their own and went out to find him. And so for all of those reasons, it is clearly impacted impacting excuse me how they are operating day to day and it is with some strain maggie haberman, always great to have you on. Thanks for joining us next. 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The sheriff posted this video on social media of an 11yearold middle school are being arrested in port orange, florida. Cnn has decided against showing the minor who is now facing a felony charge of making a threat to commit a mass shooting let's get straight to the source tonight with volusia county sheriff michael chitwood, sheriff. Thanks so much for being with us. What made you start doing this? what was the tipping point thank you for the opportunity last friday, we received 54 threats that basically put the school system in my county in chaos. We were able to arrest two individuals for those threats and they ran up a bill about 21,000 in excessive overtime schools were on lockdown. Kids couldn't learn, teachers couldn't teach. Parents, and adding. Out of anger and frustration, you saw the press conference and i said, here's what we're going to do starting monday if you're a little tara gets arrested and charged with a felony of the seconddegree under florida law, i had the right to walk them and release all the information and that's what we did starting this week. You posted another video just yesterday of two more miners, 16, 17yearsold, saying they were locked up for a joke thread before you started this, did it strike you as problematic that they hadn't yet actually been convicted of a crime? now, it has the 11 year roles, so we understand one another here. What you didn't tell is he had over a dozen nice he had over 20 airsoft weapons and he had a kill list. And on that kill less was the bus driver than there's a bunch of his fellow students the other ones we locked up the other day, they were in assembly where they were telling the students what will happen to them if they do a school threat and in the back of the assembly, they got on snapchat and they put it out there so it's time we start respecting the rights of the other 66,000 students. My school district and stop worried about that knuckleheads the destroying the quality of life for our school district you told our team that all three minors are still in custody tonight. How long do you plan to hold them? that won't be up to me. That'll be up to a judge. We are requesting is everyone arrested here on going forward 21 they can secure custody when you get out 60 days on followed by intense probation, which involves mental health. It involves everything you can imagine up through to try to get these kids on the right and no social media outside of school work for six months sure. They're likely viewers at home folks who see this and think as you put it, i was a little cherub ones. I made some really dumb decisions, stupid decisions when i was younger, you know, your brain isn't fully developed, your easily influenced the very emotional couldn't these punishments and their names being made public, wind up having a lasting impact into adulthood. That perhaps doesn't necessarily please fit the crime i'm going to go back into what i said earlier. I have 60 66,000 students trying to do the right thing. I have teachers that are trying to teach. I have parents had hadn't have had enough of this and writing aqil lashed out. I don't think we did that. I would ask you this in all respect what did you feel if we notified you that your child or your wife was a school teacher, was going to kill list? i think in my county overwhelmingly supports what we're doing. So i would beg american, please stop making excuses for the 1% focused on that 99% that are trying to achieve. And they're tired of the lock downs i totally understand someone being held accountable for their actions. I'm just wondering of making a child's image like that public might mess them up if they want to change and perhaps go to a good college and get a good job well, how mashed up at when a 9yearold is locked in a bathroom, standing on a toilet seat because there's an active shooter threat. And now law enforcement is searching that school and that nineyearold was locked in a bathroom we're a closet again. Why are we focusing on the 1% that doesn't want to conform when the other 99% kids that are in lockdown, what's happening to them that nobody's caring about? sheriff chitwood, appreciate you sharing your perspective with us. Thanks for joining us i really appreciate the opportunity. Thank you. Of course. I want to bring in cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, elliot williams now to discuss elliot, your reaction to all of that, starting with is it legal is the sheriff within his rights to do that to post the names and videos of these young kids. He is 100% within his rights. It's 100% legal. But just because something is legal doesn't necessarily mean you should do it, boris. Now, look, there's certainly a public interests that the sheriff has in preventing school shootings, keeping the community the 60s 6,000 students safe, but anytime you start releasing information, that number one calls into question that presumption of innocence that you talked about. People are presumed innocent if they haven't been convicted of a crime. And then number two, that you're talking about, children who are still developing, but also may not have the mental capacity to know between right and wrong. It just starts getting more complicated i hear the sheriff, i hear him and respect everything he's saying, but it's just complicated. What about potential consequences for me? he talked about the courts deciding how long to hold them and they're being some perhaps probation with mental health counseling, access to mentors, potentially a six month ban on social media usage does does that line up with does line up. And because the juvenile system exists in florida, there's a separate system for dealing with juveniles who commit are alleged to have committed crimes, committed crimes, you're actually far more latitude there. It's not just prisoner, no prison a judge or a tribunal can impose a social media ban or counseling, or some time locked up behind bars to try to get the kid back to the place. And you asked him this question where they can get their life back on track, where you're not just punishing them and locking them up. But again, this all comes down to a community that wants to prevent school shootings and quickly, what about the parents? what kind of consequences could they face the jury more consequences on the parents, not the 11yearold. And so it there were a way to get them the parents heads, rather than outing the behavior of this developing kid who look, my kid, my son turns 11 next week and it's never shut up a school, but i'm confident that the kinds of things that 11yearold say and do, they're not fully aware of necessarily. And so it can't just be a thing where you're saving the child it's gotta be on the parents more happy early birthday elliot williams, appreciate you joining of next vice president kamala harris, stumping in wisconsin tonight, also trying to court voters nationwide who still say they want to learn more about her what do you want me to do with each one is not going to be in the cameras because i don't believe for littering not okay. 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There my children and i'm very proud of them earlier this week, arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders said her own kids help keep her humble and took a swipe at harris saying that she quote, doesn't have anything keeping her humble joining us now is van jones, cnn political commentator and former obama adviser. Van, thanks for being with us tonight so what we saw from harris, they're not a conventional sit down interview. She hasn't done many do believe that sort of thing is the right strategy to reach voters. Like i think she's doing a great job of using unconventional media to get to folks. A lot of people look, you know, the best people are watching cable news right now tonight, of course, of course. But it turns out there are some people that don't watch cable news. And wouldn't even catch a normal interview. And those are the persuadable people, the people who need to be moved. So she did that very unconventional interview with wired, but it was really fascinating because what they did was they took all the normal internet searches at regular people are doing and they had our answered the questions off the internet. And it was really fascinating of what she said about her family. I thought was beautiful because frankly, a lot of us have been impacted by divorce, either as children or adults kamala harris is a plus plus and figuring out how to make a blended family work. Many of us wish we had families that work as well as hers. And i think i think we should be lifting up kamala harris is example. You don't have to have everybody fighting and not speaking. And this one's mad, you can't be on the same base. Whatsapp groups together just because there was a divorce, you can literally have all the adults together, which somehow com was pulled off and the kids are doing great. She's a great example and she spoke about it in an unconventional interview, but we're talking about tonight anyway yeah. We saw how harris leveraged oprah star power and her ability to reach a wide swath of voters. Here was one moment that surprised me, van you know shot yes. Yes? i hear that. I hear that probably should not will deal with that later there's no question there that she's trying to appeal to some conservatives that might be unhappy with donald trump and swing voters as well. And that's also kamala harris, man 25 years. And listen, i would i would advise you not to break into doubt do it. And i think it's great i love the fact that she's out there talking. Even though its unconventional, it's oprah winfrey, it's not, you know, jake tapper, listen, that was a really fascinating interview. Does she let our guard down that'll come harris she grew up in oakland, dolman up in her house. Do not run up in her house. It seems like a really bad idea. We know that polls have shown the race consistently to be a dead heat. Do you think it's more moments like that that are needed to change the state of the race what else does she need to bolster her momentum and break through with voters who say they're not quite as familiar with her more and more and more, the more people hear from kamala harris and where they see kamala harris and more comfortable they are she's running against somebody who's literally a household name on five continents donald trump is completely welldefined. Martians no who donald trump is. Kamala harris, six months ago. If you ask somebody who was vice president as people don't even know her name. And so she has a lot of work to do to give people comfort. People say stuff that's not true, it? i want to know more policy. I want no more policy. Look, she's got a ton of pauses on the website. They want to know her they want to know her. And i think she's doing a much better job now, get up that stage. The beyonce thing as fine, but get here, get needed knee with reporters be with regular people. I talk to people on their phones where they can see and i think she's going to do better and better as we go but but isn't that kind of a problem? the fact that she's been vice president for three years, and yet this new york times poll recently showed that about a quarter of likely voters still feel they need to know more about her does that unfamiliarity concern you in now? it's just when you're vice president's kind of a sucky job, but mean really it's like i mean, what a pits do for four years. I don't no. We just duck shoes being thrown at them by donald trump. I don't know and so i just think it's kind of a sucky job. You have to stand behind somebody and nod your head through the speeches. And that's pretty much it for the public's point of view. So it's not unusual, don't forget, she was not running for president eight weeks ago. She's running for president now. I'm glad that people want to know more about her because it means she's got room to grow nobody's asked him more about donald trump. In fact, the opposite. But she's got room to grow a van one last thing, it's your birthday, happy birthday. A good way becky, i was starting get out of here without having to do that, but listen. I am happy to do another trip around the sun. This is my fourth presidential election with cnn. I did 2012, 20 60, 2020, and now 2024 and is not my first birthday here and i don't mind it at all. I hope you're ready to ride a roller coaster. The rest of the way, because this one is not like the other. Van jones every birthday, hope you have a good weekend. Thank you. Next, a, political controversy that started brewing in the 90s is still alive and kicking today will explain next my life superman, crazy just that's simple little thing over the worst. 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Looking at the most impactful moments in tv history, exploring how key cultural events influenced a generation of viewers country was gratified to hear the diminution of the family be addressed to have murphy brown being glorified on television as a single mother it is really questionable, if not an absolute injustice we've got a battle on our hands that i think is equal to the babylon communism. Thank god. Dan quayle had the guts to come out and say something about it coyle was from indiana he was very young when he won the seat in congress. Part of the reason for his success is that he was just willing to take on these incumbents when nobody else would at age 30 33, dan quayle was the youngest person ever elected senator from the state of indiana it's time to make this country work again he was kind of a pop polished new face, and that was of course part of his appeal to george hw bush in the campaign. The next vice president of the united states, senator dan quayle of indiana thought there dan quayle would be the poster boy for young republican, straitlaced future of the country maybe one day and it backfired tremendously. The main liability for quail when he was picked as vp as it is an experience. In 1988 at the vice presidential debate, dan quayle uses a moment to compare himself to a young john f kennedy and lloyd bentsen saw an opening. I served with jack kennedy i knew jack kennedy jack kennedy was a friend of mine senator you're no jack kennedy maybe the most epic debate moment in history microwave dan quayle on the spot into a puddle that was really uncalled for senator sure to tune in tv on the edge moments that shaped our culture premieres this sunday at 9:00 p. M. Eastern and pacific on cnn hey, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Kaitlan will be back next week. Cnn newsnight with abby phillip starts in just a few seconds