Special. You are going to have to tune in to watch that. Thank you for joining us tonight. Cnn newsnight with abby phillip starts now gets shelled. Donald trump declares he's done debating there will be no third debate as kamala harris dares him to dance once more, we owe have another debate plus back on the trail, the candidates open up their playbooks for the crucial spread. Also just greatly diminished is there a double standard over the mental acuity of the former president and her rhetoric and her hateful tone. A family feud erupt inside maga over who's more racist, more of a conspiracist, and more damaging to the brand he says, poison live at the table, van jones madison, jesse auto, bomani jones, and ryan goodall ski welcome to a special edition of newsnight, state of the race i'm abby phillip in new york. Let's get right to what america is talking about. Refusing a rematch. Donald trump and vice president kamala harris returning to the campaign trail tonight after their ferry first and possibly only debate hitting the key states of arizona and north carolina. And despite trump saying that he faced his opponents anytime any place, it doesn't appear that that is no longer the case donald trump and i had our first debate it to the voters. Have another debate as everyone saw two nights ago, we had a monumental victory over comrade kamala harris the president she immediately called for a second debate, which means that she was like a prize fighter that lost a fight. So because we've done to debate said because there were successful, there will be no third debate there will be no third debate. I'm not sure i follow the logic of what he's saying there, but at least a lot of his supporters think that he lost the debate so much so that one sort of pro trump maga pastor says, when i say witchcraft, i am talking about what happened tonight. Oh, colt empowered ception manipulation, and domination. He's talking about harris is vague on full harry potter explanation that's a bad, that's a bad weapon. And that's that's trump when he thinks trump lost i give this to trump. That's a pretty smooth spit. Only losers as for rematch, which by the way is correct, and bonds is typically not the person that one that's like, yeah, love to do this again, it's normally the loser. That's the jet out. My trick that could work on a lot of people if you didn't happen to watch the debate, right? he took a l. It happens. I don't know how much it matters in the grand scheme of things. But if i were him, i would definitely be say, why would i want morning? tell me wrong. I don't think kamala harris and her team really want that second debate either. I mean, they're saying that because they know trump doesn't want one. If they had another debate, trump would do better because he couldn't do any worse. And so i agree with you. It's probably not a good idea for her to do it, but i can always do you look at the trajectory of trump's debate performances in past debates, if you look at the scene and instapolls from 2016 and 2020, trump improved and every single secondary and third debate against clinton in the second big against joe biden. And obviously the first debate with joe biden, although that was more really joe biden than it was anything else. I think a second debate wouldn't hurt him actually but it considering he usually gets a lot of that out the first time, his first day with hillary was not good as firstrate with biden was horrendous. But he improved substantially every single debate. And he pretty much pulled this point. I really think that she has so much more to gain from another debate that he does. I mean, he's the most defined candidate arguably in history. And when you look good, her performance, yes, she did very, very well. But at the same time, i think she had a lot of missed opportunities and time that she spent defining this most defined man instead of talking about what matters to people in these swing states and really giving them a reason to jump that fence and vote for her. A lot of independents, a lot of people on the fence that are more focused on the economy that are more focused on immigration. I think she could have expanded policywise a little bit more there in one of those votes. And i don't think she did that on monday, stylistically, she but i would like commonly do a second interview before she doesn't. Second domain since she has the least vetted candidate, she's never got a vote and she has one interview where she had a vice president with her in history, there's never been a candidate who's left that's better than companies also, the vice president of the united, well, you wouldn't know that from her debate performance where she pretended that she barely knew anything that the biden ministration is doing. It wasn't responsible for any of it he was too busy weapon your boy, all over the stage to get to those things. Here's what i think commonly harris did something that no politician has done ever. She didn't just beaten she humiliated him. She humiliated him he he has been the pacman of american politics. He is eaten up, gobbled up politician spit them out, went through 16 republican governors and senators like it was nothing and even when he does badly, he usually has somebody you can point to xi what tim so badly that i think he literally afraid to come back. And so now i agree the last 20 minutes, she could have stopped with the elder abuse at that point and then turn more to her program. I wish that she had, but she's got plenty of time now and now, the funk is off. I think she's going to do a bunch of interviews i wanted to do interviews. I agree with you. She needs to get her program to find, but she first had to demonstrate this is a woman who can deal with any man putin, donald trump, or anybody else. And she establish that she is no worst polling democrat against donald trump in history on national polls, no one is performing worse and our no one's frameworks among black next among hispanics, the worst voting democrat in modern history among those demographics, worst worstperforming pollingwise among jews, she is losing key factions of the democratic base muslim voters. She's at under 50 50, 52% in the latest care poll among black muslims. She is not doing well and we're still neck and neck. Well, let me ask this question. What, makes you so sure she's going to define this platform even further because we're seems to be clear on all sides. And this is nobody thinks the details matter, right? trump certainly doesn't think the details matter details ain't really his bag. That's not what he's going for. There has been plenty of opportunity for her to spell things out with far more detail. And i think they've drawn the conclusion ultimately for who, for what? let him crash out. Like you put them on tv. I'm just like wash this. I can make his old man loses mind. And she did it in this what does it matter what the details are? i think to your point it matters to a degree. There are people that have things that they want to hear, but i think the strategy and the conclusion that seems to have been drawn is if we just keep giving him open shots, he's going to miss so ball and we fracking in pennsylvania, you look at israel, palestinian people issue in michigan. You look at so many of these specific issues that i think affect a certain demographic within the most important swing states that ultimately this election will come down to. And those are the people she has to win. And i'm not convinced that she's winning them, right. I'd love to talk more about fracking for a couple a reason to i'm glad we have time to talk about this stuff kamala harris needs fracking. She needs tracking the idea that she's spent four years. They did nothing to stop fracking that she would stop it now is literally ludicrous. Why does she need it? fracking is given us a geopolitical weapon against putin. The reason that we've been able to hold the european coalition together is because when putin said, if you back ukraine, i'm going to cut gas off to europe. I'm going to freeze europeans in their bids. United states said, no, you're not, you know why we are now at the biggest exporter of natural gas in the world? we sent liquid natural gas to ukraine. And where did it come from? it came from fracking in pennsylvania pennsylvania fracking is key to our geopolitical strategy so if you ever want to have a conversation, i don't trust her. She's gonna do first of all, for four years, she didn't do anything against fracking. Why the entire retired democratic party shop about fracking, why not for this election, but because that's how we're going to be putin, right? but okay, but 60yearsold, which is about what she is jihad, transformational life experience apparently were in 1,000 days, she has changed from my bernie sanders democrat to a prochoice bush democrat. She is abandoned almost every position, not just on fracking, on our reparations for the sentence of slaves. She was gungho for a multitrillion dollar policy, never mentioned that jesus completely against it. Obviously, the transgender illegal aliens in prison, which she did sit there and say that she was for she was against ice, she was for open borders, defund the police, but for me now on fracking specifically, do you believe that she has really convinced these voters? pennsylvania? i was just in pencil this is to bomani's point. I mean, do the details matter and if they do, it should plan to trump's hands, but it seems like trump is not even capable of working on that terrain even if it might be advantageous to him well, i feel like he's made his point on the issue of immigration on the economy. When you look at the polling coming out of the debate on tuesday, 2% more people no longer trust kamala harris on the economy. And those 2% of people now trust donald trump more in states where that is polling as a high issue or the top issue. I do think that's something that they should be concerned about from her campaign front the economy i think is a very weak issue for her, especially as they can continue to tie her to the biden administration in the way people view him on the economy, which is pretty low you guys get really upset about common changed her mind conlon change her mind it's not about her i'm speaking i'm speaking as you get upset about changing your mind when donald trump has flipflopped on, even in the past couple of weeks on abortion which is a key issue for your coalition, j. D. Vance used to call trump aide hitler, and he changed. So here's what happens in politics. People do change. Let me tell you. It's not just kamala harris. That's moved our whole party was on some weird pogo stick in 2020, we had all kinds of ideas that turned out to be bad ideas. We call black lives matter she's yet to be able to explain why she shifted. That was the pogo stick. It was equity. I actually what i want when i put a whole lot together that sound like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no van jones sitting here at this table with his history, environmental issues, defending fracking is not something i had on my bingo card speaking of people changing or yeah was changing but here's what's what's good, because we can actually have real conversations here early on in my career, we thought we were going to be able to get all the way to clean energy goals with no fossil fuels. Turned out that wasn't true. Turned out, you're actually going to have a more will have to have a more robust mix. The entire party came to that conclusion four years ago. So people keep pointing back to ideas that i had and others had to turn out to be not and workable ideas. But in practice, in california and other places, the party has matured. It's not just kamala, heard vice president harris to explain that, right. Like i think that's the other thing is that that people do change their minds, but there is going to practice. There is a need to explain how she got there 1,000 days. She's used her mind on a dozen issues in 1,000 even if you change your mind and what you have to be able to go for and explain why you change your mind and how you got has not been able to do that is the standard in a great way it's election not good enough, like the mood to the center for a general election is not something that's rare. This happens in your. Vote for her in that important state. And when you have over 100,000 people working in that industry that need to buy it. She needs to give them a better explanation or else you and i both know she won't buy it. They will josh shapiro moved on. The issue. Biden moved on the issue. Camo moved on the issue of the whole party has limit issue. We haven't said a word about fracking for four years for a reason. So you guys like to talk talk about it, but i don't think there's any evidence that democratic party has an anti fracking party. And so it, but this is the only thing you guys have live on fracking four years ago. But the reason you guys want to talk about this because your candidate is so deficiencies polling better than he is so deficient you million on fracking on what you guys wants not an immigration. Were neck and neck with somebody who just got the nomination six weeks ago. And i'm not i'm not worried about it all. Let me tell you let me tell you something. You guys are so interested in trying to talk about details. Trump has none flipflops. He is a flipflop. So the answer is how much should it tells either know what i'm saying is we are neck and neck and you guys have more deficiency that you're trying to talk about us having. You've got in space while i already told you i've been more transparent on my party, been most democrats now, what about your party that you're, you talk about the 50s for your party. Well, i'd be happy to talk about it because there's a huge one that i'm talking to people well, that almost every single day when it comes to operatives in the swing states, people are very concerned about the ground game. We saw huge shift from the rnc when trump took over with laura trump and others in the rnc, michael watley, they came in, they shifted the strategy on what's going to go on with the ground game. They relied heavily now on outside groups which has not been done before. And i'm hearing that it's a ghost town and a lot of swing states when it comes to that door and it comes to those operations and that's very concerning. We're going to be back with a lot more. Everyone stick around for us, but coming up next a maga family feud, its erupting publicly between members of donald trump's entourage. But there are some serious questions now about what is behind this war between marjorie taylor greene and a far right conspiracy theorists. We've got a special guest who is going to join us in our fifth see to discuss night with abby phillip, he's brought to you by, so tick to find out you've so tick two is the treatment you've been looking for smile. You found it the feeling of findings, psoriasis can't filter out the real you. So go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only so tick to a oncedaily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis and the chance that clear or almost clear skin, it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your closeup. Are finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. Oncedaily subject to was proven better, getting more people here's skin and the leasing pill don't take if you're allergic to so tick too serious reactions can occur. So tiktok can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb, serious infections, cancers including lymphoma, muscle problems, and changes in certain labs have occurred tell your doctor if you have an infection, liver or kidney problems, high triglycerides or had a vaccine or plan to tick two is a tick two inhibitor, tick to as part of the jack only, it's not known as a tiktok has the same risks jack inhibitors fine with plaque psoriasis has been hiding. There's only once of tick two ask for it by name. So clearly you, so tick two relax your book you're a. Small business owner. You don't have time to waste. And that's why you go to bizou credit for funding are simple application makes it easy to get fast financing time for funding it's time for biz to credit. Here we go. Consumer cellular uses the same towers as big wireless, but then passes the savings on behalf of saving the money for something else. Speaking of, i ordered us some time for unlimited talk in texts with reliable coverage starting at just $20 call consumer selling with the credit god's on your side. Rewards. Once available to the view, are now accessible well to the many credit one bank get cash back, or was it lives large? what's the greatest invention of all time? new handsfree sketcher slipins. You just sleeping in their on it's like they have an invisible builtin shoe horn so your foot slides into place so that bending down or touching your shoes, then he'll pillow technology keeps your foot coffee and secure hands sketch your slippers only from simply safe 24/7 lifeguard protection. This exclusive technology allows simply safe agents to help stop crime in real time, stop police are on their way. For instant intruder dare standk sale at varied dotcom unbiased reviews, unrivaled research, and unreal savings elevate your every day. Cnn underscored the all our reviews and recommendations that underscore. Com max bundle there's a maga civil war erupting tonight. That's raising questions about the extremists who are in donald trump's inner circle, let me set this up for you. Farright activist laura loomer. She posted a racist message about kamala harris saying and quote, if the vice president wins the white house will smell like curry. Congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, who is no stranger to divisive rhetoric. She called it out her rhetoric and her tone is does not match the base, does not match. Maga does not match. Most republicans i know and i am completely denouncing it. I'm over it and i would encourage anyone else that matches her statements to stop now, the two have been back and forth about this. All day, but here's the thing loomer is now apparently part of trump's entourage. In fact trump brought her with him to the 911 events in new york yesterday, even though she is a 911 conspiracy theorist joining us in our fifth seat is john field, founder of the fealgood foundation. He was a 911 responder and has been a dogged advocate for the 911 community and for veterans. John good to see you your thoughts on laura loomer suddenly being in trump's inner circle and the idea of bringing her to 911 events that's a choice on the surface. She's silly but underneath all that, she's just an attention seeking, selfabsorbed, me, me, me but her rhetoric is going to get someone hurt. Her rhetoric might get someone killed wifi. And just from her tweets just on her podcast, just things that come out of her mouth she's ugly on the inside. She's she's an empty vessel. She's cancerous and it seems that donald trump attaches to people like that. Two things happen at historic event, like nine allubban advocacy and conspiracy theories. I chose the advocacy. Yeah. And laura loomer is hurting inside. She's helped. She's miserable. She said, and she wants to share that with as many people as you can but for marjorie taylor greene, who had said to my rages things over the years. Let's say jeffrey dahmer calling out john wayne kasie. So it is i mean, that's part of the surprising nature of it. I mean, in look, i believe in giving people credit where it's due, she's right to call it out. She's right to say it in that way. But it is weird oh, well, that it's coming from her. Well, they used to be friends. Apparently they were friends. She was a supporter of laura loomer is at one point and they've had since had a falling out. I mean, it seems it seems kind of personal, maybe more personal and petty than principled on our barbie. But you know what? i'll take any help i can get against a white nationalists. I'll take any help i can get against someone who has been such a horrific attack or of muslims and everyone else. And that's really laura loomer is, and some people might say, why are you even quote unquote platforming laura loomer. Why are you talking about her at all? all you're doing is making her bigger and stronger. And that's the problem with people like this. If when when when laura loomer walked off the plane with donald trump, everybody who the political professional literally gas and gagged. We like what the heck would you realize most americans don't know who she is? i don't know the nasty thing that she fifth she is a true hate monger. And for donald trump to be with the heat margaret, i think it hurt her debate performance. I think hanging around somebody that crazy herded the bait for. So it's fine. It's funny that you would say that because cnn's reporting about laura loomer, it's exactly to that point. It's not just that she's unhinged online. She's been hanging around trump. She's been calling him. She has a cell phone and a lot of people around him, according to cnn's reporting, believed that she is the source of a lot of these unhinged attacks on kamala harris on her race the conspiracy theories, the dogs and cats of it all he's hanging out with her because she is a conspiracy there. I don't i don't follow law or loomer's stuff. I don't really know. I spoke to a lot of normies. I asked him if they knew who she was none of them dead and i just i just find is i find the rhetoric, as you said, it was a joke. I don't really understand what the punchline came with that joke so a person who says those things should not be around the inner circles possibly than most powerful man in the world. I would say though my concern is not so strong since we've had four for decades of democratic politicians and in their on bring al sharpton into the white house. There's no, no, it's not it's not it know. You're right. You're right now shot down the white house italian no. Excuse for the on that plane lecture i just wanted to say just just real quick. Donald trump is running to be president of the united states. And on his plane is a woman who believes 911 is. There was a conspiracy. Minded. She is actively right now spreading racist lies. And rather than just saying that's terrible reprehensible, he shouldn't be doing that. You're going to bring up alshawa know, i think it is terrible. I said, i don't agree with what she said. I don't think it was a funny joke. It was a joke. So why wasn't it that why is one person on one party a major thing and why the white house went out with a bag. The point that the reason was a major thing in 2024 is that it's happening in 2024 okay. But that was in mind white house oversight. But what you what you're talking about insurance samples about him, go back to when i was in elementary school, like it's an obvious and clear when i say, that we're right he is, on you he should be ashamed of yourself. It's completely inexcusable that she's on that plane. It's inexcusable that she's anywhere near the president. It's a failure. I think at the top with leadership around him, i think people should be fired over it. I'm talking to a lot of republicans who are saying that there may be a preexisting, what about donald trump? he is the person i think it's i think it's wrong from top to bottom, but especially the people around him who are relying this to happen. I hear some of them encouraging it. I hear there's preexisting relationship between loomer and potentially chris lacivita, jason miller. I mean, in all that, it's doing is hurting the president's campaign on top of everything that people out there who are suffering in this country that need relief economically that we want to see the president get across the finish line may not have that opportunity because we're distracted and talking about loony scenes like this that continue to surround themselves around the john, i think it's based on you know, i sit here and i've watched republicans or democrats cherry pick what they want to say to make their points donald trump's out running for president. He's running to stay out of jail. That i don't care what anybody says the man is not capable with solid thought. And for him i'm not going to say what i want to say listen in to shake this hand in 2019 when he saw my bill i don't like him. I don't i don't like him. I don't think he cares about the american people, even in the debate or anything needs done at his rallies. He doesn't talk about the issues that americans face the table tool. What we're going through, how we pay all utilities, have we put food on i think he cares about that. I know we can respectfully disagree. Yes, but i i've known him for ten years since before he ran for president. And i do believe he really does care. Now, we may not all agree on his policies. We may not all agree on how we feel about him, but i'm telling you as the person at the table that does know him. I respectfully this is what's tricky though to me and this discussion about like laura loomer is on his plane, trump how would you do that? it's kind of like you have two teenagers, they get in trouble in both of their parents to say and you hanging out with the wrong people when reality is they both are all people, right, like you always assume somebody else's good, that's the wrong people in both states. If she's not the person on the plane with him saying crazy things, it'll be somebody else on the plane with him saying crazy, but we don't want anybody on the right. But if you're wrong trump well, if you're wrong in with trump, the person is saying crazy, things is going to be hill right now. This before that it was marjorie taylor greene or lauren boebert always wanted to be somebody that's there with him so we could point out that this is extreme let me ask you a question of the other people what is the impact? you talked about the conspiracies of two paths. It's either, you become an activist or you go into conspiracy land. What has the impact of the conspiracies ban on people like you who survived 911 who the people that you know maybe were killed or maimed or, you know, all of that went if anything, is sacred in this country, it should be 911. There's so many people who haven't healed so many people's have an open wound. So many people, so haven't gotten justice and it's an insult to those up to fight for their lives. Now, who is sick and dying, this saturday, i'll add 317 names to my wall on long island. This is continuing so while we fight and we tried to see another day, there's over 30,000 people right now with 911 certified cancer 100 terrori 2000 people being treated for the romans is. So to see this kind of rhetoric it's insulting to the family members, those who lost a loved one, those who are still sick it's, it's, it's pathetic. It's comical. But it hurts. We're forgetting that were human beings ship the titles, republican, democrat, black, white, tall, short, skinny, fat, doesn't matter. We're all human beings and the true spirit of human beings, gabi of itself. And when you got to spew crap or 911 to be noticed you're not a good person. You're not a good human being the true spirit is to give yourself, we should be knowing 12911, happy devastating some motor riff everybody keeps saying anniversary, it's a stark reminder that horrific day, it's not an anniversary to remembrance but i told everybody came together. Nobody can. Your skin color was nobody cared what your religion was. We all came together and here we are talking about a woman who needs to be medicated in the hospital she's playing around with the main wants to be president give me a break some okay. Look, it's your point is so well taken that when you use conspiracies to get attention, that's really reprehensible especially in light of the substance people like you. There's no substance to anything that comes out a map listen, i put a pretty good on twitter. I had a lot of people on twitter. I don't i don't hold back. I'm holding back right now because i'm on cnn my rhetoric can get really, really rocky on feel thank you very much and thank you for everything that you do we appreciate you. Thank you very much. Everyone else stand by for us coming up next monday questioned the mental fitness of president biden. But after last week's debate, should voters asked the same question of donald trump? is there a double standard at play here? we're going to discuss it. That's next news for you? premiere saturday at nine on cnn but the gains are pumping the markets closed. Features don't sleep in the after hours. Burrow is mostly financed bro she switched careers to make money so you're weddings and his doctor blownup, sweetie crappy piggy bank. We're going all in. Let me ask you for your wedding. Do you want because ipo in a river something that your mother always wanted, never gotten or you could give these different investment options a shot. The ride money moves aren't as aggressive as you think. I'm keeping the best. Quince has been my best kept secret. I love luxury at affordable prices. I want to dress down, but still an amazing, they have it if you need george, they have it. I get so many and the compliments the whol onestop shop, get $20 off your first purchase at quince. Com within each of us when awakened, he can boost performance enhanced learning, even help you work smarter and you can unlock it with one simple thing. Better sleep software provides that with her luxury mattresses handcrafted with premium materials in our american factories even delivered to any rule in your home for free. Safa, you deserve the comfort of a great night sleep let's give her complex get out of my head, will thrive the understanding like this realize some home maintenance jobs aren't worth the risk. That's when we call lee filter to protect our getters, filters patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good, guaranteed crawley 33 lee filter or visit lee filter. Com when it comes to amgen, life changing medical breakthroughs, every second counts, but without investment, those break are often past. Cities seamlessly connected banking markets and services, businesses deliver global financial solutions. So our client can keep investing in patients for patients around the world without pause. For the love of moving our clients to 90 now or visit us at gory law. Com the wild wasn't built for guys like us. You think is going bad right and wrong penguins streaming exclusively on max standard over the mental acuity of donald trump after months of hitting president biden's fitness, trump is now under scrutiny for his rambling at rallies he's and at that debate that we all just witnessed this week, we compared his debate answers back in 2016 to the ones that he gave this week after the very first question on the issue of immigration that is right there in his wheelhouse. This week, as you'll see, he veers off topic several times. Watch well, first of all, she wants to give amnesty, which is a disaster and very unfair to all of the people that waiting on line for many, many years. We need strong borders. First, let me respond as to the rallies she said people start leaving, people don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go there coming in illegally. Drugs are pouring in through the border. We have no country if we have no border, people don't leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. The single biggest problem is heroin. That pours across our southern borders, just pouring and destroying their youth. And what, what's going on here. You're going to end up in world war iii just to go into another subject what they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country. Now, i want to build the wall we need the wall and the border patrol ice. They all want the wall. We stopped the drugs. We shore up the border in springfield they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And once the border is secured at a later date, will make a determination as to the rest, but we have some bad ombres here and we're going to get them out if she becomes president this country doesn't have a chance of success. Not only success will end up being venezuela on steroids that's really fascinating modestly, i first of all, i'd forgotten about bad hombres, but that was an iconic moment from that debate. But it i mean, look, everybody ages, there's no stopping it. But you can definitely see such a clear difference. I mean, immigration is the issue for donald trump. It's been that way for almost a decade now. But there was a weird clarity in 2016 that it was completely absent this week i. Think that would kamala harris had very effectively was that there and get under his skin. So every question started with him defending some comments she made, whether it be about is rally sizes or as wealth that he had when he was father passed away. And that threw him off tremendously. There is a signs of aging as there is with everybody, but i don't think it is clearly not at the level that joe biden was during his debate where he said he defeated medicaid i mean, that's just it's not even close to the same exact comparison to me. The problem is if you watch what he said in 2016, i was like, wow, that sounds a little cuckoo for cocoa puffs to not like the first day they've given you is though reasonable, did you come back around and like, wow how he's talking about kennedy, is that a ridiculous in the first leg, just like he's got a ridiculous of the second clip. Just a different brand ridiculous in a second wind. And that's what makes it so difficult to evaluate him. He's not be any other reasonable human being that will be running for office because what we're talking about a feature, not a bug, the baseline is so wild in the first place than when he says something filed into second place, you're like oh, it's not really terribly different. You, this think? i think part of trump's ability not to be judged like every other politician much to the chagrin of journalists and democratic politicians, is the fact that he was a celebrity for a long time. And celebrities, they just they can sit there and say things that are a little out where he just okay. That's fine. Whatever just doesn't make sense. That's the problem. I mean he has a case to make on immigration presumptively, but he didn't make it. I mean, look, when you mentioned biden saying you know, we finally beat medicare or whatever and that was disqualifying in the eyes of a lot of people and understandably so because this problem person wants to be present, united states and if the pressure or late at night or you had a in the sniffles is going to have you be that off track. Our party said not acceptable. We love you, but not acceptable. You've got somebody who apparently is so easily manipulated that someone can just say your crowd sizes are small and they forget that there's it's supposed to be talking about america. They forget this wasn't to talk about. I think there were numerous missed opportunities, not just on the immigration, but on various issues throughout the debate in which she could have made the case. And i think the polling shows people do agree with a lot of his policies on these issues, and i don't think he made that case, however, again, going back to what i said earlier, he is the most defined, the most wellknown person. And so it's a question of would that have really taken these voters that are independents that aren't sure them over the edge. I don't know if that would have, but i do think it was a missed opportunity. They should have taken advantage rightly different point. You're making the point that commonly harris waited her time to finding him. She should have been doing something you know, i'm wasting time not focusing on these issues excuse. I think it goes to the commanderinchief test. That's what i'm saying, is that he was able he just couldn't do his job up there because somebody was messing with his mind. Right? i think do you think that putin isn't that what he's not doing his job decide who writes his job right? most this is a really important point that van is making it was it was like child's play you know, she talked about his crowd size, just she talked about every possible thing go world leaders don't like you. Every possible thing get under his skin, every single word. He just picked it up and was like, i'm going to talk about this now. He took the bait every time and it was a complete so it was he's done for a year, you are what you want to be president of the united states and the world leaders like putin, who is a master manipulator, is looking at that performance the takeaway would be that it's very easy to manipulate someone. Absolutely. That would be the takeaway from people who sat there and hate donald trump. I think that people who are voters, one, he's made the case for a decade about the border wall, for instance, or reducing immigration so much so now that kamala harris is campaigning on the border wall that so many voters she's one over on the issue, and then the second point is that he was up to voters minds. They look at putin and say, well, he didn't made ukraine while trump was president. So therefore, his craziness or what people perceive as being an unreliable, or i don't know what he's going to do next. That in a lot of minds, a lot of voter says, well, that's good for us don't during this three past administrations besides trump, under the obama administration, this administration and george vi last i think the point on the double standard though is i think people are more uncomfortable when they believed their leader is unhinged versus believing their leader is senile, right or wrong. There was a peaceful right i'll leave you i'll leave you with this the pew research poll on mental sharpness describes trump 58% in july said that he was mentally sharp. That's 52% now, it's on its way down. We'll see where it goes after this debate. Everyone hang tight coming up next a provocative question. Are algorithms going to ultimately decide this election? we've got another special guest who will join us in our fifth seat. To discuss that culture over the edge, people are watching and then our world change he had an explosive reverberation tv on the edge from years sunday, september 22, did nine on cnn sophia, help me get my money right to achieve my ambitions in investing in my game so if i can help fund all your ambitions no. Matter, how ambitious bank was so far, to score a higher apy in an epic welcome bonus work play link relief, work play, blinking really, the only three and one extended really formula for dry eyes lake. Make this the summer. You make the most of it with great deals on the most capable wrangler ever are most affordable suv, jeep compass the only openair pickup a jeep gladiator. And the most awarded suv ever jeep grand cherokee hurry and you're local jeep brand dealer and make the most out of summer with great deals today during the cheap make this the summer event get $5,000 bonus cash allowance, or get 0% financing on 2024 jeep grand cherokee overland and summit models i tried everything from my stubborn dandruff and then i found nice nice role works differently to get to the root cause of dandruff. In fact, it's active ingredient is ten times more effective at binding fungus. The primary cause of dandruff, say goodbye to stubborn dandruff with nicer all from meet free monday to sizzle pans sunday so many ways to save life ready wallet, happy. That's 365 by whole foods market for 13 million americans were affected. My identity theft in 2022 and the threats or more than you realize, if you're a victim of identity theft, lifelock works to fix it on your behalf, backed by the million dollars protection package, enroll. Now better with the credit god's on your side, rewards ones available to the few are now accessible to the many credit one bank get cash it's back awards and lives large at simply safe. We build advanced security sensors and cameras for your whole home, powered by 24/7 professional monitoring and fast protect technology exclusively from simply safe for faster police response there's no safe like simply safe. Welcome to the now way to network. They switch to junipers ai native network. And now everything is so reliable that no one has ever left in the dark. That's the now way to network at work with relay eye for an experience but what you're seeing skechers, famous glide step, but where everywhere. And now that famous design is available, enhanced free sketches slip in, get the comfort and style guide step. Now with the convenience is slipping with no bending down or touching her suits, try glide steps, cancers, lipids. Its pods biggest sale of the summer, save up to 25% on moving in storage for a limited time in cy pods is in trusted with over 6 million moves, but don't wait, use promo code big 25 to save visit hot. Com today, did you know you can save with goodr accident even if you have insurance amount of medicare, had checked good rx because it can be my coping we're going to like that even if you have insurance get our x cannot be safe another good reason to check, good rxfound out i've been paying for 27 subscriptions out, you add 27 kids. Didn't know rocker money. Yes, it was rocking you had to netflix accounts. I had to fubo counts. How much ryan did it save you 700 bucks, i guess. If you guys want to save some money, download rocket good money, it probably will cover the drinks i'm bill weir on the california coast and this is cnn your most viewed video warning iran, raises iran for more patriot and those who got blue. But the trump flag in my office you think you just fell out of that tree those videos you just saw there from gen z, content creators on tiktok. That's the platform that's attracted more than 170 million users in the united states. And it serves as a way for young users to keep up with politics, apparently, joining us now in our fifth seat is cnn senior correspondent donie o sullivan, who spoke with some of these creators who are creating content on the left and on the right. But what is this content about? you kind of get the sense of it there. I mean, it's the memes, it's the dances if it's in the trump world, like a lot of it this week is what you see on the rest of the social media stuff about saving imaginary cats and dogs that are being picked up by haitians in ohio and if it's on the left, its people leading in a lot to j. D. Vance and pieces of furniture. So i mean, it's a lot of we can we can pretend that lindsay is doing something totally different, something that we can't figure get our heads around. But really it's a lot of what we're seeing on the other platforms. I think one thing which we do talk about it in terms of when we talk about conspiracy theories, we often think of are crazy uncle, crazy former president who might be engaging in conspiracy theories but i think there was this there was this idea for a while in the early days of social media that young people, gen z, millennials, whatever might be immune in some ways that they'd be absolutely not. There is as much misinformation on a platform like tiktok and his maybe even more, yeah, you could argue it's more, yes. And this scary thing from when we were doing that pace or what a harris fan and a trump fan, their algorithms, of course they're serving up totally different reality, different worlds exactly. And then you, a couple weeks ago after the dnc, you were talking about harris's kind of vibe shift with the gen zers. And then also at the dnc convention they, they basically brought in a whole army of craters and gave them special access i mean, they were really cultivating this content. Well, look, i mean, twitter was for donald trump, which was people forget. That was completely new us of communications technology when donald trump was basically this twitter candidate tiktok, really has become that in some ways for comment well, harris, when she first burst onto the scene, she was kind of like this. No. Underestimated vice president that nobody really heard from. And suddenly she's everywhere, its brett summer, it's like, wow, the coconut and all that stuff actually helped to create this energy that's kind of vibe around her. So she used tiktok really well. The same time. I think a lot of people are terrified at tiktok because you just said 144 million americans are on that. That's like half the country. Yeah. And it's run by china and it seems really weird and scary. Well okay, so just to throw a little chaos into the mix here, some of it is also just hard to define. I mean, here's what's been going around today on tiktok as relates to trump in this immigration issue they're eating, the cats, keep the cats, they're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats eat the cat the cat dog's, they're eating the cats. That cat oh has been stuck in my head all day long. I don't even use tiktok and i saw this video on twitter it's honestly quite intriguing to watch this big shift in people using that bare was it was the guy from the young turks. Can i think made that it's like everybody is doing it and also everyone well, i mean, and also there are some people and lesbian community say that's kind of like an anthem for them because it's meetings, anyway, because a lot happening talking about tiktok is this theoretical real that don't, and i have been, i don't know too much about either. Their algorithm feels more like a black box didn't just about anybody else's does anybody that has had to do stuff that involves your work going on tiktok, you drop it in and you just hope the algorithm picks it up in a way that you don't hear people talk about being the case with other platforms it does make you walking, it does make it a little bit scary as you say, it does ultimately, when i look at it, just feel really stood ourselves a bit i got to get down on his new whole story coming this sunday, but it's about, it's interesting about former bernie bros who have been lured into trump land via conspiracy. Yeah, basically the kind of bernie bros who've gone to the far right's i think about 8% of bernie sanders supporters from the democratic primary in 2020 are now trump's supporters. Now, obviously people have all different reasons. There's about 80%. Yeah, that's not a huge number, say fine irish person comes after seven but you mentioned did the creators at the dnc were actually hanging out in in the whole story on sunday where hassan piker, who is one of the biggest twitch streamers, video game streaming platform for people who don't know what twitches, but it is where a lot of political discussion is happening. It's where a lot of gen z is getting their political discussion and what we're focusing on in this documentary. This hour on sunday is we're really looking as disillusions young weiss, american men who spend most of their waking hours online and who believed that america has left them behind. And it's everybody's false. But there's the there's such an interesting crossover ideologically now with people and conspiracy land that's happening all over the place watch donie's our sunday night at 8:00 8:00 p. M. I'm a slave all right. Thank you, johnny. Everyone else stay with me coming up next. The panel will give us their night caps, including eminem, taylor swift, and trust fund babies have i. Got news, for. You? it's coming to cnn this fall. Prisons pro hosted by roy wood junior row with amber ruffin with michaelian black people might confuse you, but abby phillip pro people might confuse me for abby phillip, are you not abby phillips? pronin know i'm not i was told this was going to be without the shores. I love her. It's abby phillip. I was notice. Okay everybody got news for you. Ramir saturday at nine on cnn green next day on max united healthcare knows you've got your whole life ahead of you free to focus on what matters which reliable medicare coverage from united healthcare was a great place to find affordable luxury for us there's beautiful linen sheets, there's court has curtains, whatever your style is, the quality for what you get is really substantial and that's one of the reasons that i've been drawn to this brand. The $20 off your first purchase, queen's dot com. This is thes is the easiest c swap. You'll ever meet women of toothpaste with me? he'd by dentists designed to break up back and remove toxins in the mouth a little deep, clean your teeth waiting your feet without any sensitivity by illumina toothpaste at a wall martin target, you're a small business owner. You don't have time to waste. That's why you go to bizou credit for funding. Are simple application makes it easy to get fast financing time for funding it's time for biz to credit. It looks down at his queen and says our wire my name more albion to, let's work on that french, shall we in hebbian oh, wow money i'll be tall now surge ai assistant in the hotels. Com app in sure. If i can help you save up to $852 a year on car insurance answer a few questions and get fast affordable quotes from top companies compare and switched to a plan that saves you money without sacrificing coverage. Visit ensure faa. Com, and start saving today signage that gets you noticed in terms hot lots into homes that's signs make your statement okay, me move. You said it the missile strike it. I'll tell them how liberty mutual customizes car insurance is the only pay for what they need. Got it. You get. Only pay for what difference when you get it right stay salty laura coates live next on cnn closed captioning brought to you by mesobook. Com if you or a loved one have knees of helium up, we'll send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and we'll come to you 808 to 14000 it's time for the news nightcap. You each have of course, 30 seconds to say your piece van europe. I just want to point out that in, i believe schools is always the bait all of these affirmative action pixies dei picks, nobody is anything about the legacy, admits the kind of trust fund babies show up there. You just saw what happens when a dei pick kamala harris goes up against a trust fund baby. She whooped his butt, and that's what often happens. These nobody challenges of credentials as somebody who gets there because their dad got them there. But that's what happens in the socalled dei picks often are the superior candidates i started with the fire all right. Madison, political differences should not be the end of friendships. We're seeing people come back together once again with brittany mahomes and taylor swift, both on very different sides of the political aisle and maintaining a very close friendship as we see in the picture. So go girls okay. I'm actually surprised that you believe that that's real because they're friends and they're really actually going to say thank you to donald trump because that may i said no more debates and that's the best news i knows get. It reminds me to my omnipresent thing at this point, you undecided voter what the hell else can you not decided? i need to know the other thing that leave your brain? he's scramble to, you can't figure out because you can't figure out who to vote for it by now. But bun, go figure this out no time side of this is the right word. I think it's just like like they don't want to commit to anybody they're not undecided. Juror, their phones being called over and over again i guess if they live in a swing state and they doubt that it's something totally there. As a geriatric millennial that grew up with really important vmas are britney spears, i'm a slave for you with the snake around her neck and m&m had 100 clones behind him and lady gaga was covered in blood at use to be a really important cultural impact that broke scenarios. The vmas happened last night no one paid attention. They don't make news because pop culture is mid, its corporate, it's generic and no one really cared the jerry very good take. I like it. That's correct. I think it's correct. I mean, a little cool. J brought it though to take what you can get and say, thank it. Ll cool j make some brain the drama at the vmas, there's the most i saw was that thailed and want to hold her award she tried to hand it to somebody and they wouldn't take it. Yeah it's geriatric, it's mid one cares what does mid mean? just it's just like land. It's not anything interesting you can file better than me, but it'll get the job done. It will make your head hurt. Yeah. I'm waiting for something nice and i'm waiting for something dramatic to happen to everyone. Thank you very much. I guess maybe we have drama in our politics. We don't need enough of vmas. A quick programming note though for you guys tomorrow night's the comedians of cnn's new original series. Have i got news for you? will