Have you heard from camila would love to that would be so wild that i'm like just doing a silly video and then the vice president is aware of it. That'd be crazy calm a lot. But crazier things have happened even kamala harris seemed are struck by the trajectory her life has taken the most extraordinary story at her reese has only been a month a month elizabeth wagmeister, cnn, los angeles thanks for joining us. The source starts now straight from the source and i, donald trump doing damage control as he has slammed not only from the left, but also by some on the right over his shifting positions on abortion and ivf. He has been all over the map in just the last 24 hours also as kamala harris refuse to distance herself too much from president biden's positions in that cnn exclusive interview, the city hey, vp is now seen by voters as just as much of a change candidate as her opponent, or to go inside those surprising numbers. And a former middle it's teen usa contestant now firing back at trump, running mate j. D vance, who is refusing to apologize for using an embarrassing old clip of her clip, you probably remember two okay. His opponent, it's a moment that once made that pageant contestant contemplate suicide i'm pamela brown in for kaitlan collins and this is the source right now on a busy friday night, donald trump is addressing the conservative moms for liberty group in washington, dc. And of course, we are monitoring every word, but we know he has one thing in particular on his mind cnn's interview with vice president kamala harris, he was clearly watching that first indepth sit down with harris and her running mate, governor tim walz last night wanted to know of his supporters watched as well at a rally just a short time ago in pennsylvania think she's going to be able to handle president xi had on things so china, north korea, russia, i don't know this is going to be the president of our country. I don't think so. Sitting propped up in a desk with this guy. This is tampon tim tampon and he also took aim at harris for changing some of her policy positions on the same day that he flipflopped again on reproductive rights trump, who has often bragged about overturning roe v. Wade, stunned many in his base yesterday when he said this i think the six week is too short. It has to be more time and show that an i told them that i want more weeks. So you'll vote in favor of the amendment. I'm voting that i am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks the former president there is referring to florida's current sixweek ban. But then today, some apparent damage control. Now he says he'll effectively vote to uphold back ban because voting yes on the ballot question would restore abortion rights to viability, which was the standard under roe do you need more time six weeks. I've disagreed with that right from the early primaries when i heard about but i is disagreed with it at the same time, the democrats are radical because the nine months is just ridiculous situation that we're, you can do an abortion in the night and then, you know, some of the states like minnesota and other states have it where you can actually execute the baby after birth. And all of that stuff is unacceptable. So i'll be voting no for that reason no state permits. The execution of babies after birth vice president harris is now slamming him for saying that he'll vote to uphold an abortion ban, quote. So extreme that it applies before many women even know they're pregnant and the bp says, the choice in this election is clear. So could issues like this hurt donald trump with women according to him, there's nothing to see here somebody said, women don't like donald trump. I said, i think that's wrong. I think they loved me my republican source tonight and you are congressman marc molinaro. Congressman. Thanks for coming on so there is no question. You are paying attention to the presidential campaign and how it affects your own campaign. I imagine do you know? standing there right now what donald trump's position on abortion as can you definitively say what it is president trump made clear certainly to all of us in his shed that he would oppose a national ban in braces ivf. And i'll just tell you as a new york republican and as someone who spends a lot of time i'm listening to the people i represent. I personally respect the choices women have to make and i've said this consistently and believe it as it relates to reproductive health. The decision ought to be left to a woman and her physician and washington dc shouldn't get in the way it's actually one of the reasons i have worked to block a national ban. I've kept my word to ensure that that wouldn't move forward. And i was the first republican to join with democrats in sponsoring legislation to both codify access to ivf and to protect access to birth control and mifepristone all right, so let's dive a little bit deeper into that because donald trump is of course at the top of the presidential ticket and now he just shifted his abortion stance in the last 24 hours now saying that he's going to vote no for this florida amendment, which effectively means he supports the sixweek abortion ban and i'm wondering, does his stance on abortion and the shifts and so forth, does it complicate your efforts for reelection? you're obviously in a swing district right there. One that biden had won before you want it now is public kid and it's a tight it's a tight race i that is a specific state ballot initiative what i think the voters across american certainly the ones that i represent, care deeply about is in congress. Will members like me uphold our commitment? both to block i can asheville ban, which i haven't will, and to respect women and the choices they make, it's actually by the way, one of the reasons that i continue to lead on access to prenatal neonatal care, access to health care, and that's by the way of broad question that we ought to be talking about. They're far too many individuals in rural communities like the ones i represent that don't have access to health care. I want to be sure that we're partnering to ensure that people do both behavioral health and physical health. For me nothing is it doesn't complicate for me. What is my commitment? and that is to continue to listen to and learn from the people i represent. Uphold my commitment to continue to make clear i would not support a national ban and to respect women and by the way the choice that they make. We ought to be very respectful the same time those who choose ivf bring life in the world. They too must be respected and the heartache that comes with it and so i just think it's very important for those of us in congress. Did reflect the interests of the people we represent and speak clearly with them and uphold the commitment we've made, which i have, you say speak clearly with them again, donald trump for his part, shifted just in the last 24 hours and there's this new fox news poll out this week and it shows harris with an 11 point lead over trump among women in those key sun belt swing states. And yet, you have these abortion stances just in the last 48 hours. He reposted this disgusting sexual reference vp harris and his running mate obviously has a lot of thoughts about a single women the cat lady comments, you've heard about are you concerned that trump could lose this election by alienating some of these critical female voters well again i think we are respect women and we ought to be ensuring that every voice is heard. What is equally troubling for me is that the vice president, after serving with president biden, we know for months, by the way keeping from the public, but we knew was happening. President biden unable to serve another term. This decline covered that up vice president harris, leading the i understand that she that she denies it. In fact we saw on stage during that debate, what what many democrats and members like me, new president biden was on the decline and unable to serve another fouryear she she oversaw the dismantling of both border security, allowing 11. 5 million illegal immigrants in this country and quite frankly, i've done more interviews today. And the vice president has in the last 30 days, america's, americans deserve a robust debate and if they don't like what they're hearing from president trump, i can't imagine what they what they have learned from vice president harris. She has been consistently it by the way, it seems to be the democrat mantra these days. And i'm running against the washington dc lawyer who won't even want even answer your questions of the media. We have to be open and honest and leave to the voters. I think throughout transparency and directness what they think is best, but she's avoided all scrutiny. And for that, well, the way it ought to she did speak to cnn in this exclusive interview last night that you mentioned and i do want to take a little bit of that, some sound from that about these issues that you just mentioned. Let's listen donald trump got word of this bill that would have contributed to securing our border. And because he believes that it would not have helped him politically he told his folks in congress, don't put it forward. He killed the bill so congress, back in april, you voted for this belt. Did donald trump hand her a gift by telling republicans to kill the bill, which did happen i mean, i take issue the entire context joe biden and kamala harris coming to office using, by the way, the legal arguments, my opponent, josh riley made before the supreme court dismantled through executive action border security in this country allow over the course of a year and a half 11. 5 million visuals come into this country illegally allow states like new york to continuing to brace sanctuary city status. And by the way, then transport the federal government. This president transporting illegal immigrants all across the country and to cities and communities by the way, like mine, a peruvian gang leader, 23 murders placed in a, in a village in upstate new york she allowed this to happen but after he's arguing, there and they'll let me think let me finish after a year andahalf and 11. 5 million people let into this country. President biden, vice president harris didn't pick up the phone to negotiate at all. The house adopted border security. We're committed to it. They wait to the crisis comes by and adopts a half measure. They want us to adopt something that codifies the problem instead of solving it, he didn't hand anybody a an easy argument. The vice president allowed for the bill if you think it doesn't, you vote, you were supportive of that bill? right? now. She says has helped would help solve help solve the problems. Go ahead. Know that jet provision that that bill that they were shading in the senate one was never negotiated with the house, didn't come to vote in the house. We voted for the strictest border security in generations, a yearandahalf ago and president biden should have negotiated with us then instead they allowed for the dismantling of border security, the surrender over southern border 11. 5 million illegal immigrants into this country. And then a yearandahalf later, they want to have a conversation. I mean, come on. They should have been negotiate. They should have upheld remain in mexico. They should have upheld border security. Then we wouldn't have the crisis they're making now, what about the changes in asylum that have now causing the number of supplement? are you satisfied with that again, this president and kamala harris surrendered the southern border to drug cartels and i just i mean, it's a clear indication. There action there, executive action only months ago so should have been taken a year and a half ago when they allowed 11. 5 million illegal immigrants into this country. And i will say as a representative of upstate new york, to have a peruvian gang leader, 23 murders arrested at the border and then released catch and release the legal argument my opponent made before the supreme court. If threatening ultimate but lead the lives of people in upstate new york. Now, they should be ashamed of what they did and instead should have come to the table immediately to negotiate him today. There ought to be absolutely the president ought to ensure that he uses executive action to keep the damn border close. He left it open for a yearandahalf. All right. Congressman marc molinaro. Thank you very much for coming on the show. You bet thanks be well, am i democratic source tonight, california congresswoman katie porter. Let's get your reaction. First of what we just heard from congressman molinaro well, i think what congressman millennia is doing is trying to have it both ways, both defend his own seat too at the same time, tried to distance himself from his leader, donald trump's policies, which are policies that most americans don't want look, i think the biggest problem with donald trump and it's not one that republicans downballot are going to be able to run from. Is that donald trump is simply being deceitful, deceitful donald than remarks that he makes, for example, about abortion or simply untrue. And i think that what americans are looking for is an end to that chaos and to have a thoughtful leader. America has got a lot of opinions about a lot of different issues, whether it's immigration or abortion. But you can't have any meaningful discussion with someone who's simply being deceitful and deceitful, donald, here is going to be a losing ticket for republicans downballot. And i think you pure the congressman struggling with that. Let me ask you about, as we're talking about donald trump and his views, he is now promising to make ivf free. It's of course not clear where that money is going to come from. But is trump's promise on ivf something harris should adopt well, look, i think kamala harris has made very clear again and again that she wants women to have health care and health care choices so i do think that she should be supported as she always has two out her career access to health care here for women, and that includes reproductive care with ivf control. You think she should adopt that the free ivf that donald trump is now proposing look, ivf is a medical procedure. So i think it ought to be covered by health insurance in the same when i think we need to have stronger health insurance, lots of kinds of health care are covered without deductible including things like immunizations. And primary care. And so i think that's absolutely something she ought to be considering. The difference between kamala harris and donald trump are two things. One, kamala harris will have a plan to pay for this and to implement it thoughtfully because it won't just be a hollow promise and an empty talking point. No american should take donald trump's seriously in his comments about ivf or abortion why? because he's been all over the place. So he said he's against these four and he's for this, he's for that. You can't trust him, whereas kamala harris has made very, very clear that we can trust her to let women and health care providers and families make their own decisions without government interference all right. I want to talk to you about her economic plan because when harris spoke to cnn yesterday about her economic policies, this is what she laid out. My agenda includes what we need to do to bring down the price of groceries, for example, dealing with an issue like price gouging, what we need to do to extend the child tax it's credit to help young families be able to take care of their children in their most formative years what we need to do to bring down the cost of housing. My proposal includes what would be a tax credit of $25,000 for firsttime homebuyers and we should note congress would need to approve the homebuyers downpayment support and economists largely agree that price gouging is not a primary factor with higher grocery prices. Are you concerned at all that she's overpromising on something that she won't be able to deliver on if she wins kamala harris has already delivered with joe biden on a number of those issues. The child tax credit has to be passed through congress and it was a big, big hit with american families, with all families helping reduce child poverty and makes our next generation workforce even stronger. She understands what americans are concerned about. They're concerned about being able to afford food, being able to take care of their children, being able to buy a house. There. She's centering her campaign on the very real concerns of americans what are we getting from donald trump name calling? and so i think that's a very, very clear difference. I do think that there is a need to address corporate price gouging. It comes because of monopolies and there have been studies that show the fewer producers you have, the more monopoly power that company has, the more likely they are to price gouge to overcharge and not to have competent mission so competition is a core part of capitalism. And so when she says stopping price gouging, which he's talking about is making sure that we have a fair economy. And that's something that benefits every american, right? congresswoman katie porter. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. 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Com have i got news for you, ramirez? saturday, september 14th at nine on cnn donald trump has a new prediction for his first ever interaction with vice president harris at their debate, just 11 days from now we should probably call me a racist on a week from now, we can have i look forward to that debate very much looking forward to that debate, to my political sources tonight, former communications director for vice president harris, ashley etienne, and republican strategist brad i'd todd. Great to see you here. All right. So ashley that sound that we just heard from donald trump as he projecting what he wants to happen. Do you think he wants kamala harris to call him a racist? i really don't spend much time thinking about what trump wants. I mean, honestly sorry, maybe it's too late at night. I should say that right? exactly. But here's here's what i think this strategy is going to be from the harris campaign's perspective, and that is to let trump be trump. You know, i think what she's going to try to do is, you know do a democrats don't typically do. And that is she's going to defend her own record, lean into it and hold him accountable to his secondly, what i think she's going to try to do is needle him a little bit strategically, needle him to get underneath his skin because there's nothing in my experience, having worked with speaker pelosi, there's nothing that gets under donald trump's skin more than a woman challenging him. And so i think she's going to do that and hold him account honorable to his his record now. So lean in hers and a needle him as much as she can to try to unravel him. And i think to put himself in you know, put donald trump on full display. So i think that's going to be strategy. What do you think brad? i think it's time for him to get serious we are heading into the fall labor day marks the start of the campaign, and it's time for to lock in on ideology. Sometimes in rallies, he likes to play crowds, try to get a rise out of the crowd. It's time to stop that she's the most liberal person to run for president on a major party ticket in history, american history, he has to make that audiologic niccol case. Ideology is not his favorite mode of attack, but it's what he has to do if he does it, he's going to win i think you're absolutely right. I mean, he's not a policy guy that's not what he does best. He bloviate, spews hatred, sexism, racism. All of those things and so i think that's what she's going to do. She's going to allow him to be himself. And by doing that, it's going to remind people of what they disliked most about donald trump why they don't want to support him, which is why you've seen him stall out in the polls, which is why he can't get over 47, 48%, which is why he has no path for growth. I mean, i think you're absolutely right if he would stick to the policies, if he would actually be disciplined, maybe he could create some room to grow his base, but the reality is that's not who he is. He never has been that person he was just went from january to june and were in a wrong track country where the incumbent administration is very easy to be disciplined against joe biden. I mean, you only had one line to use against him, which was his age. Now, he's no longer in and you know, they couldn't completely flailing around trying to land a punch on a kamala harris and they haven't seemed to be able to do that. Well, i want to ask about abortion. I mean, for one, we saw donald trump's change his stance on abortion in the last 24 hours as you sit here right now, but you say he needs to be disciplined ideology. We really need to focus. Did you see that from him on abortion? can you say definitively what his stances right now? i think he doesn't want to lose the election on abortion. I think that's a stance and it has a lot of conservatives nervous about it as well. Oh you know, he, he prefers to run on other issues, on security issues and economic issues. He probably should go back to issues where he's comfortable instead of wonder who he's going have a different position and every day the americans are upset about where the economy is. They're upset about what's happening at the border. Those are two issues where he has an advantage and a big part of keep painting is keeping the debate on subjects it's where you have an advantage. That's what he needs to do. Yeah. I think in this case, i mean, sorry to interrupt, but i don't think i mean, i don't think donald trump has an advantage on either either of those if you look at the border, the border crossings are down 40% lower than they were when donald trump was president. You look at the economy, inflation is down, unemployment is down, wages are up you know, this is, the strongest according to the wall street journal. This is a strongest economy. The envy of the world. So those two issues aren't working to his advantage, which is why he's not leaning into into that i'm anymore which is why now he's trying to shift to abortion to try to pick up some of these suburban women. But the reality is like women aren't fools, are not foolish. This this is a president, a former president who bragged about reversing roe. He bragged about the fact that he was found liable for sexual assault against a woman. He's got a running mate who denigrates women and says that if you don't have any children, you mean less in our american democracy. I mean, women are not going to be fooled by this, but so too disrespectfully, he has no sort of no issue that'll land a punch on vice president harris. Well, in the medal, grow his base of support and the polls show that kamala harris is doing much better there he has when it comes to female voters. But i want to play some sense and from her from last night that really stuck out to me when dana bash asked her about a comment that donald trump made about her he suggested that you happened to turn black recently for political purposes of questioning a core part of your identity and his same old tired playbook next question, please that's it what do you think about that. Strategy? not to engage. Oh, no, i think it was absolutely smart and it's brilliant. I mean, it's a consistent she's right. This is consistently with donald trump. Does he tried to invalidate barack obama with the birtherism? movement in arguments. So this is what he does, but the reality is, this is the stuff that people dislike most about donald trump. And this is not working any longer. It might rev up his maga base, but the reality is that's not a winning strategy. The maga base is underperformed of the last three cycles. He needs to figure out how does he build and grow his base. And the reality is the people who he needs to grow with don't like this kind of talk i think it's a distraction and 67% of the country thinks the government's on the wrong track the economy and the border, they're not happy with. She's part of the administration that put it where they're not happy with. That's his path to victory and he has to avoid any kind of distraction shan or any kind of insult that might take attention away from that if it's an election, a referendum about is this administration doing a good job or not? he has a great chance to win. He just has to be focused on it. So understand the wave of poll coming up we're going to discuss with a pollster, tony gonzales, that actually the people polled actually looked at her as a change agent the change candidate, even though you see donald trump trying to frame her as just an extension of joe biden and so forth. So we're going to talk about that. There's the tease for you guys coming up. Thank you so much, ashley in brad. Great conversation so what we're just talking about, right, the first ballots in this election, they're gonna go out and just a week from now, can you believe that and what this race tighter than ever now of politico? putin said i was just talking about takes apart some of these new surprising numbers about kamala harris and how they view her as the change candidate you pull that one second practical jokers only thurursday at teten on tbs set r dvdvr now leleah, did yoyou sig for a momonthly susubscriptiono? know that t was najla. A. 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D think k of the plplaces that t can expoposr ininference lilifelock monitors millionsns the d data points fo identity theftyou deserve a gre night sleep i'm pete muntean at reagan national airport. This is cnn who is seen as the change candidate between the sitting vice president kamala harris and former president trump. All the answer actually might surprise you. We w were just talking about this earlier. There's this new fox news poll out this week, and voters in sun battleground state say it's basically a tossup giving harris a one advantage over trump when asked who they trust more to bring needed change, should they win in november? well, it's not like harris is shying away from the biden administration's record either. Here's her defense from that exclusive interview with cnn last night very proud of the work that we have done that has brought inflation down to less than 3%. The work that we have done to cap the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors. When we do what we did in the first year of being an office to extend the child tax credits so that we cut child poverty in america by over 50% joe biden and i and our administration worked with members of the united states congress on an immigration issue that is very significant to the american people and to our security. I'll say that that's good work. So let's go deeper inside the numbers my source tonight, editor and publisher of inside elections, nathan gonzalez. So nathan house surprising is it that the city vp can be seen as a change candidate? well, i mean, it's surprising because she is the vice president, but also when you when you look at them and you look at the aging current president of the united states versus a black woman it's, there's some ability for her to put some distance there, but this is one of the fundamental fights of the election. Can she balance that balance defense of the policies that maybe some people don't like. But also being someone that i'm going to bring a new a new era, or a new term to this that's what republicans clearly want to make this a referendum on the biden administration, like brad was talking about, because that's the winning that's how they were going to win with biden at the top. But now it's a little more challenging because she's and it's interesting too, because in her interview last night, she really didn't put a lot of daylight between her and president biden, right? even though she would say we have more work to do, how important is it? how important is this idea of a change candidate? in this election who could win a nobel? well, it's important because, you know, a majority of the country believe a majority of voters believed that the country is headed in the wrong direction. So they're looking for change when this election looked like it was between too old white men, they were looking for change, looking for something different, not just a rematch. And now democrats are providing an alternative. They have a candidate who is not the sitting president who hasn't i've been the nominee before and so being being the change agent at a time when people don't like the status quo is very important. There's this new quinnipiac poll out and it was conducted entirely after the dnc and it finds it harris and trump within the margin of error is you see here on the screen nationally, 49 to 47. But harris supporters are now even more disaster to vote for her than trump supporters forum 70 five to 68 enthusiasm and been a change candidate were to advantages trump had just a few weeks ago it's really remarkable to see how it's been flipped essentially, right? and one of the things that stuck out as trump at 47%, he has been very static in 2016, he got 46% of the vote in 2020 47% of vote. He's at 47% of the vote in this poll. And so it's all about the democrats and what they can do and can they boost their number on the enthusiasm? frankly, an enthusiastic vote counts the same as an unenthusiastic vote. But i think what's key for harris is the her ability to consolidate the democratic base in, but couldn't have dizzy some spur someone who may have been on the sidelines if joe biden and that stayed in to actually go and vote? yeah. I think that there were some democrats who are unenthusiastic that maybe we're saying that we're going to vote for rfk jr. Are not going to vote that eventually would have come behind biden, but now those people who are not only going to vote for harris, but they might volunteer, they might do some work actually for the campaign because they're much more excited with her at the top than what they were with biden so much focus is on these battleground swing states, but your organization actually inside elections has some updates on house races and the york and california, why are these important? why should we care about that right now? first of all, an entire chamber of congress is up for grabs. Majority is on the line. Democrats only need a net gain of four seats. We made seven rating changes that people can see it inside elections. Com and it looks evenly divided between republicans some democrats. But what we're watching is how harris does at the top of the ticket because there is not a lot of ticketsplitting in 2020, only 16 of 435 districts voted for one party for president, and the other party for the house. So biden was on pace to get crushed at the top of the ticket and drag house democrats down. But now harris is doing much better doing something closer to what biden did in 2020. That's going to help in places like new york and california where democrats have eight opportunities to win districts that biden won in 2020. You also released some new information on swing state house races in michigan, pennsylvania, and virginia. Where do you see in there? well, i think with this the map, the electoral college map has shifted a little bit instead of it being the same six swing states. And by trump potentially winning in virginia or new mexico, minnesota. Now we're looking at six swing states, adding north carolina to that list for seventh think states, but then also is florida back in play and the harris are doing much better in the swing states than biden and xi could be expanding the map. All right, thing gonzalez helping us better understand this? data, play. Thank you so much. Thank you. Up next, the wife of harris is running mate, has some choice words for the other side so let. Me use my teacher voice mr. Vance how about you mind? could you are own businesess surere. I i'm a a paid actoror. 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And we're going to governments get to pay for ivf when people need to treatment where they want the treatment when they want to go and with the fertilization government is going to get totally involved and they can help people while at the same time, he keeps saying states should decide laws and abortion and reproductive rights. His stance on reproductive rights seems to be all over the map. What do you make of all of this yeah, his messaging has been very mixed on abortion and reproductive rights for over a year to say the least, i think what i make of it is that trump is well aware that abortion appears to be a liability for republicans after the overturning of roe v. Wade, which of course he's bragged about his instrument central role in that there's been a voter backlash the last couple of years whenever abortion has been on the ballot, voters have signaled support for abortion rights in several states, including some red states like kansas and kentucky. Republicans, including former president trump, are worried about that. So we've heard him try to soften his message on abortion and reproductive rights in several well different ways in recent months, including what we just heard about ivf in vitro fertilization but, but then today, at the same time, he said to fox news that he would vote against that amendment in florida, which effectively means he supports that sixweek abortion ban that is in place in florida. So he says that today and you have to wonder how much ammo that gives the harris campaign and how much it could alienate some of those crucial female voters that he needs right? we heard we saw tremendous backlash to those statements, both about ivf and about his his statement that he initially seemed to indicate he would vote for the abortion rights amendment. Then said he would vote against it we saw backlash from the antiabortion movement from some of his sanchez supporters in response to those statements, which i think resulted in his decision to say no, i'm not voting for that amendment but let me just follow up with you because you have a unique perspective on evangelicals as someone who grew up, right? and the church. And you wrote a book about this i mean, they were going to be in his corner regardless, right? it's not like because what of what he said yesterday, they were going to suddenly vote for harris. I mean, they were likely going to vote for him anyway, from what you know, is not it's not that they're going to vote for harris. I think the concern is about losing the support of the base in a, post on x, kristan hawkins, who is with students for life of america she's been a supporter of trump and she's, she said she'd vote for him, but she said that some of her supporters were saying they didn't want to get out and door knock, so he's concerned about losing the support of his base while also trying to win over swing voters so republican senators, including trump's own running mate, j. D. Vance, rejected an ivf bill this year with this provision similar to what trump is pushing. Do you think that he could shift his party on this issue? again, i think this is just a sign of the struggle for trump to define his message on issues of abortion and reproductive rights. He sees the liability there. It's a controversial i guess really less of a controversial issue than some of those people think it is a majority of voters, including a majority of republican voters support access as to ivf. But there are those in the antiabortion republican base who object to ivf because it often results in the destruction of embryos and this is launched a sort a debate several months ago after the alabama supreme court issued a ruling that temporarily resulted in lack of access to ivf bama. We saw republicans scrambling to try to get a legislative fix there and scramble really to try to fix their messaging on this issue because again, they're aware that this is a liability for republicans in november, i think we see trump trying to move his party a little bit on this and maybe just trying to see what message will stick knowing being that republicans are vulnerable in this area. Well, the state on the ivf front decides to ban ivf. It's unclear how trump's proposal would work, right. And my colleague john berman press j. D. Vance, about just that today. And vance said the idea of a state banning ivf is a quote, ridiculous hypothetical point, alabama saying, after the supreme court decision there that the alabama legislature, after quickly the alabama messenger conservative state what do you think? is it a ridiculous hypothetical i think the way we saw things play out in alabama, which is a deep red state suggests that it's unlikely at least anytime in the near future. The bigger question i have about trump's ivf proposal is just how a little work, how would how would he pay for it? ivf is a very expensive procedure. It can cost tens of thousands of dollars and it's such a departure from traditional republican positions on these issues. I mean, you remember how much pushback there was to the affordable care act to public funding for even a public mandate her health care of any kind and particularly around the issue of contraception, you know, the affordable care act includes a contraceptive mandate requiring most insurance companies to provide birth control at lower no cost. And that was that was an idea that had a lot of pushback from social conservatives. There was litigation around that and the trump administration and when trump was in office, work to weaken those measures. So this is a real reversal from traditional republican positions on these kinds of issues all right. Sarah mccammon, thank you so much. And i've next j. D. Vance appears on cnn. He actually was asked about obamacare and whether the idf idea from trump as an extension of that and a mandate. 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He'd gotten a hold of the full kamala harris cnn interview in 2015 up, didn't revealed that t her public mocking from that trigger depression and suicidal thoughts when confronted with that fact today by cnn's john berman. Here's how vance responded i posted a meme from 20 years ago and i think the fact that we're talking about that instead of the fact that american families can't afford groceries or health care young families can afford to buy a home to raise their families and those are the real crisis that we should focus on. I'm not going to apologize for posting a joke, but i wish the best for kaitlan. I hope that she's doing well. And again, what se is one bad moment shouldn't define anybody and the best way to deal with this stuff is to laugh at ourselves caitlin upton didn't see the humor though, posting on x quote, it's a shame that 17 years later this is still being brought up regardless of political beliefs. One thing i do know is that social media and online bullying needs to stop. And then she appeared to lead her x account just a short time later, joining us now is axios media reporter sara fischer so sara, if you look at all of this together, right, you make the mosaic between this post by man's trump's recent flurry of posts about qanon and crude sexual jokes about harris. What are the consequences of posting stuff like this? or do you think most people just find the humor in it like j. D. Vance said, that's no big deal. This is just like humor. I think their base thinks of it that way. I mean, they like whatever they're posting regardless of whether or not they're offending people or they're bringing coming up traumas in the past. But the challenges, this is a close election. And so you need to be catering to a much broader audience of independents of undecided voters who might be looking at this thinking is this what electability looks like, is this what professionalism and put a presidential and vice presidential candidate look like, right? people that joke, that are posting memes that might be offensive. That's the question that they're going to i have to figure out when it comes to j. D. Vance. What do you make of this? what seems to be this emerging pattern of him? the way he talks about women and childless woman i just think it's a lack of experience, political experience, especially right now, we know that abortion, ivf, birth control. These are such hot button issues. I don't think that the trump campaign is necessarily benefiting from some of his past comments it's on these issues you saw trump come out and said that he's going to make ivf freight to me this past week. He said that that feels like a huge rebuke of what j. D. Vance is trying to do. And so i don't think that this helps the ticket. I think it's one of those things where if j. D. Vance was wellvetted and they decided that these comments we're going to be beneficial regardless. I'm curious who made that call? because i think that you have a huge voter population of women. This is an increasingly important issue. It's a weird time to happen that kind of record. Yeah it's interesting just seeing the role that social media is playing in this election. Even just this week with this visit that trump had at arlington national cemetery. And the controversy surrounding that and this backup and forth with an employee of the cemetery, apparently, it was pushed aside by a trump campaign employee and now we've seen statements, from the army and from the cemetery about how this was against the law. This camp pain activity. And yet there is a tiktok still a video that's still up even though this was apparently it gets the law. There's been all this controversy. You know, it's interesting. This is a very online campaign. They're not afraid to dabble unconscious diversity for the sake of getting the video. And there's something powerful to that. I mean, donald trump has a massive, massive following on x. He has his own social media platform on truth, social, whether or not this goes back to the same question, right? the base loves it. It works for the base that's why they're doing it. Whether or not this hurts them when they're trying to expand out to an audience of undecided voters is the question they clearly don't think that's the case. They clearly think that the more attention they get, the better of the attention is we'll see if the polls show that as we get closer to november, we well and bowed to go down and weak in some states vote both are already starting to will soon be wrong probably none. Thank you so much, sara fischer, we do appreciate it. Thanks for