Interference case, special harris is actively behind it and he goes on to accuse her of weaponizing the system against our political opponent, which she is not so pam, a lot of what's in the new indictment is actually the same as what's in the first indictment. However, the new indictment we call it a superseding indictment make some crucial changes. So first of all, here's what's been removed from the first indictment. First of all, any allegation relating to donald trump's efforts to pressure the justice department is central theme of the first indictment was that trump leaned on doj try to get them to substantiate his false claims of voter fraud. That is out now, second of all, some other trump communications with white house advisors, the supreme court had said, those are probably immune. Jack smith has now removed many of them from the case. And third, i found this really interesting. The first indictment refers to donald trump is the 45th president of the united states the new indictment returned today actually does not call him that. All it says is he was a candidate for office. They're not trying to insult him. They're trying to shift the focus from things he did as president to things he did as a candidate in his unofficial capacity. Now, a couple of important things have been added to the case. So first of all, there is now explicit mentioned in the indictment that donald trump had no role certifying state elections, and he had no role in overseeing presidential electors because a key part of the case that remains is this false electors scheme. And finally, the new indictment adds an allegation that congressional staffers took the physics paper electoral certificates out of the chamber on january 6, and that's a response to a separate supreme court ruling that said there has to be some element of document fraud or document tampering in order to be obstruction. So i think jack smith is trying to now work within that ruling as well. All right. So john, to bring you in, the supreme court's me merrily rolling, how much do you think this indictment has been weakened? and jack smith's case, again? go through, obviously, it's going to be litigated at the district court level, which is the lowest court before a judge. Chuck can and she's going to decide initially if this works under the very vague, unclear sure standards set by the supreme court and hopefully the more explicit and detailed she is the more likely it will survive and make it back through the supreme court because i'm sure donald trump will appeal whatever happens in the next phase of the process. Right so the bottom line is this is not going to trial anytime soon. Certainly not before the election, but ellie, walk us through what the next steps are here, what we see donald trump go back to play again. Yeah, so now they fight it out in court. I'm sure donald trump, when he goes into court next week, we'll say we still think a lot of the stuff that's in the indictment is immune and should come now, jack smith obviously will defend his indictment and judge chutkan has to sort that out. She can either hear from the lawyers in written briefs or she can hold a hearing which might look like a mini trial to decide what's in and what's out. And as john said, from there, donald trump will have the right to appeal to the court of appeals, the intermediate court of appeals, and then protest the supreme court. So 0. 0% chance this thing gets tried before the 2024 election and john, just yesterday, jack smith filed an appeal to bring back the classified documents case. Now he's filing the superseding indictment to save the election interference case do think he's sending a signal here that he's going to keep up the fight i think it's very clear he's going to keep up the fight the maralago documents case. He filed a very aggressive brief. He did not ask for the judge to be removed. All of this would if she is overturned, would be he's a third strike and i suspect it's a very strong brief showing that the judge judge cannon had very little basis for tossing the case and dismissing the special prosecutor. There's a long history in the department of justice, the attorney general's appointing special prosecutors. She wants to demolish that. Indeed did she would have her ruling upheld. All assistant u. S. Attorneys would be out of work. So it's a very striking situation down there. And i think jack smith is aggressively defending, the department of justice, his office, and the cases he's filed all right. Elie honig, john dean. Thank you. Both the political fallout already coming fast and furious. Let's get some reaction from two campaign veterans, ashley allison was the coalitions director on the bidenharris 2020 campaign and david urban was a trump campaign advisor. Great to see you both. Let's take it off with you. Ashley trump is already fundraising off of this. No surprise there. He's emailing please. Please give $10 to stand with trump asap during past indictments. Of course we saw trump also fundraising and really a fundraising surge should the harris campaign be concerned about that? i don't think so you know, people who are supporting donald trump unfortunately, even though he already has 34 felony convictions, are going to continue to give to this campaign what i think the harris campaign should do though, is use this as a reminder that we are literally having a debate about whether or not a president should be a person should be elected president who tried to overthrow the election in this indictment is a reminder for those voters who are independent, who are undecided, that if you don't want the ongoing chaos and mischievious behavior like donald trump then let's not go back to him. Let's move forward with me, so i would use as an opportunity to continue to draw the contrast and the folks who are going to support donald trump, so that he can pay his legal bills will continue to do that. David donald trump is blaming harris saying she is pushing this. Of course she's no control over jack smith, but politically is this a lifeline for him something to grab onto an attack when he's been so flummoxed by harris listen pam i think that, is elie and john dean just said that this had to be done, it was it's kind of mechanical for jack smith and continue to move along in this case. What i think it does give the president shop at opportunity to do is perhaps, maybe talk about the letter that was published yesterday or sent to jim jordan yesterday from mark zuckerberg, where he says that he received pressure to censor search terms during covid that the bidenharris administration, you know, kind of set censored, maybe even in violation of the law, the first amendment then was pressured to cover up, not publish the hunter biden story. So i think maybe gives maybe gives him a leg to kind of go there with it and use it as a says i'm being persecuted here, but yet the bidenharris administration is doing awful things and they're getting away with it and point to the zuckerberg butter right? and the white house is pushing back on that. But david, i want you and your audience and listened to trump's running mate, senator j. D. Vance, reacting to this news gavin read the whole thing, but it looks like jack smith doing more what he does, which is filing these absurd lawsuits and an effort to influence the election. I think it's clearly an effort to try to do more election interference from jack smith he should be ashamed of himself as one of the reasons why we have to win because he should not be anywhere near bauer. I mean, first of all, this isn't a lawsuit. I mean, these are incredibly serious criminal charges that could hold jail time what does that even mean that jack smith shouldn't be anywhere near power in your view, david i think the j. D. Vance i'm not going to try to interpret as his his, you know, mince his words you clearly heard him say it what i think he's trying to say is, you know, ashley pointed out earlier that donald trump is convicted of 34 counts and in new york courtroom by all accounts even our own fried zakaria said that if his name wasn't donald trump, those those counts wouldn't have been brought. I do think there's a great deal of law fair being waged against this former president in this campaign, there were suits initially to keep him off the ballot and many, in many states 14th amendment suits which all failed the suit and georgia, the students in new york. This suit. So a lot of people just hear white noise. They see the legal system is an extension of the political system, and that's unfortunate because there are some in some instances, some real justice able issues that need to be tried and they get just matt it up in this big morass of politics. It's unfortunate. What do you think about that harris about that ashley, because there are there's a large swath of trump's supporters who believed exactly what david just laid out there, right and this could further galvanize them. Is there any concern about that, that each development like this, like what? we're seeing today with the superseding indictment will just further drive voters to the polls for donald trump i think it's important for all of us to remember and talk about the facts on what really happened. We all witnessed january 6. We all know how the people decided to come on january 6 is because of tweet that donald trump put out and that he encouraged folks to go to the capital. We know that he did try and find votes in georgia that did not exist. And was colluding with folks around fake fake electors. We do know those things and we also know that donald trump lost the 2020 election and i think that there was an opportunity unfortunately, probably the boat has probably sailed at this point, but there was an opportunity at some point for all of us to just acknowledge that donald trump laws and that he should tell his supporters that he lost. But instead, he continues to do and now his running mate continues to sow doubt systems that are not perfect. But in this instance are actually working because he did do things that were very troubling that we're very undermining to our democracy. And i think most people can look at that. But when you aren't operating in facts, it can lead people to feel doubtful and systems that they don't feel like i've always worked for them it is worth noting what you just laid out there the president biden has called out trump repeatedly, saying he's a threat to democracy, pointing that out, you're seeing the harris campaign not focus as much on that shifting away from that, talking about other issues in this campaign. It is interesting. Ashley allison, david urban. Thank you both so much. Thanks. And then just moments from now, i want to talk to trump's former national security pretty adviser about this new indictment. 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But the bottom line is she's now making good on that promise. She made. What do you think? you gotta look? i think this is the right step for the campaign. This gives the american people the opportunity. Those who may be skeptical eye to see if whether or not the vice president is ready to do the job on day one, people know her yet they don't really know what her stances are on a whole host of positions. She's attempted to moderate somewhat. I understand why, but i think the question remains, why is she moderate and isn't because she's seen new data that suggests you need to change your position or is it because after 3. 5 years of being vice president, she realizes that being a united states senator and being vice president a heartbeat away from presidency, drastically changes one's outlook on policy and governors, generally speaking, this is the opportunity to ameliorate, if you will her standing. What i think some crucial swing voters in the country that she's going to need if she tries to win this thing. Mayor, to bring you into this conversation today, trump's vp candidate, j. D. Vance, claimed that harris he, doesn't know what she believes in. Xi has shifted her policy positions in several instances since she first ran for president. How she handle that, and this interview pam look, i first of all, i don't know someone in public life who hasn't evolved on some issues and some of that to pick up on shermichael's point, some of that can be actually because of growth, can actually be because of new experience, new information some of it sometimes is obviously political, but it is part of being a leader to take in a bunch of information and sometimes realize you got to do something different. But if you take kamala harris in lifelong perspective, she's been extraordinarily consistent i think she had combines in a really fascinating way, core progressive values. Part of that very strong northern california progressive tradition. But also she's a tough prosecutor. And so much of her life has been focused on enforcing the law that's a powerful combination that very few things that i think people point to as changes in her approach are minimal compared to a lifetime of actually very consistently believing in a set of values. I thought at the convention she did an amazing job with the biographical part of her presentation. In particular, of showing how her views are grounded in family, in her personal variance, in what she experienced as a child of her mother i think it's really hard to pull her away from that very clear tradition. Sure. Michael, to bring you in, donald trump for his part, has done rambling news conferences with little substance and interviews with fox news or elon musk but do you you think that this will then put pressure on him to sit down for an interview with someone who's maybe not his friend. I mean, look, i think so far the strategy for the campaign is to try to reach low propensity voters, specifically men as there is a gender divide in this race. And we've seen it based on every data, all readily available date i should say dan, the thought process there. I don't think the former president is necessarily afraid to sit down with adversarial journalists for a contentious interview, we have seen him do that many times. I actually think i think he enjoys it to be quite honest with you but i will say that the mayor said something i thought was interesting about the consistency of vice president harris his beliefs in terms of her policy positions maybe on some fronts, but i do think voters are worried or maybe concerned about her positions on fracking be in against it now being forward, some of her immigration stance is stances on law enforcement, stances on the economy. And so there are some, i would argue very legitimate and viable questions for republicans to raise against the vice president to say, well, hey, you believe this before, why have you changed your mind going back to my original thought process at this first interview with dana gives her an opportunity to provide some clarity now whether or not voters will believe it. That's up to her to convey that message persuasively a highstakes interview like this could could make or break someone's can to see we've seen in the past, many of us remember, harris is 2021 interview with lester holt and which she seemed defensive when leicester push back on her about visiting the border. Let's take a look again at that moment we are going to the border. We've been to the border. So this whole, this whole this whole thing about the border. We've been to the border. We've been to the border. You haven't been to the border? and i haven't been to europe and i thought i don't understand the point that you're making. She was heavily criticized for that. How does she avoid another moment like that? mayor? pam, it's a it's a powerful clip to show to remind us. And i know she is an extremely methodical and professional person. I hope she looks at that clip too, and her team is reminded that that defensive approach doesn't get us anywhere. Look, i made that mistake more times than i can count when, i was mayor of new york city, because you do feel embattled the times you do feel an a box. And i think it can bring out bluntly the worst instincts. What i think we need to recognize here is she has been extraordinary over this last month or two and is getting incredible support from the american people. And i think she needs to use as fuel if you changed the position on something, i think the best thing in the world pam say, i changed my mind. Here's why. If she made a mistake on something at some point i didn't do this well enough myself. I'm saying it confessionals. I think there were times i should have said, you know what, i made a mistake on that one. I think the public actually embraces that humanity and that selfawareness and a sense of accountability so my hope is that her preparation is very minimalist. Don't get fancy. She's got a lot of great position to talk about her plans for lowering health care costs or vision of fighting price gouging. A great history as a prosecutor to talk about stay there and if she changed her mind on something you say, you know what? i changed my mind on that. Here's why shermichael. I wanted to talk a little bit about another highstakes moment coming up and that's going to be the debate date with abc september are reporting has one source confirming that the abc debate rolls are decided that mics will be muted that's like they were on the cnn debate, but a source close to the harris campaign says actually not so fast the mic rule is still being talked about what does this ongoing debate over the debate rules signal to you and what, what's going on here. Shermichael. I mean, look, i've held i think it's actually in the former president's interests to have the mics muted. It benefits it had him on the first debate with president biden and we see how that worked out for biden. I also think that vice president harris and her team, they're probably looking for a similar moment that she had before i guess what mike pence and so i understand the strategy and the thought process there, but i think people want the opportunity to have clarity between both candidates. It's each side will get an opportunity to rebut the claims of their opponent if they so choose. And so i think that's important but i will say this 28, 30 plus days rather of incredible news coverage for the vice president has not yielded her significant leap over the former president i do think that there is some some consistent and persistent issues that the vice president and her candidacy has going to have her campaign rather is going to have to figure out a way to address from immigration and the economy. And so this one, and if you with dana is the first step, but she's going to have to do a whole lot more and i can promise you this donald trump's going to hit her hard on those issues come this debate i see you sort of nodding over there at mare yeah. Look, i think she's going to be challenged, but i think it's a chance for to give a knockout punch. I really do. It's really trump's last guaranteed chance less is more is my message to kamala harris. She was fantastic at the convention. Keep it simple, hit them on being a convicted felon, hitting hit them. I'm taking away the rights of women and be proud of her incredible career particularly as a prosecutor stay simple and she wins that debate. The blasio shermichael singleton. Thank you both. And you won't want to miss that highly anticipated interview. Harris and walz with dana bash, there was a united nine you'll only see it right here on cnn up next, a former our top trump aide who says, people ever worked for trump again, opening up about his time in the white house while blasting trump's ego and securities former national security adviser hr mcmaster, is here live with us the pros for have i got news for you or pretty yeah. What are the kinds we could run on the news before then? i would never happen if i got news for you, amir saturday, september 14th at nine on cnn and streaming next day on your best defense against erosion and cavities is strong enamel. Nothing beats it. 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My tour of duty in the trump white house is out now. Thank you so much for coming on. I do want to discuss your book at length. And before we get to that, i want to get your reaction to this news. Who indictment against donald trump he thinks an indictment alleging he tried to abuse his power to overturn the 2020 election results is election interference. What do you think? well, kamala, i'm not an expert at this, but by any means, and this is why we have the judicial process and i think at this period of time in our history, when we seem to be just at each other's throats from partisan political perspectives we have to really try our best to restore faith in our democratic processes, in our institutions. And i think our institutions have held up against the stress test of the past several years and we need to maintain our confidence in them and this is why we have checks and balances, right? and i hope that your viewers hope all americans, you can come together and have confidence in our democratic institutions you're talking about the democrats but it institutions and the importance of restoring faith in the democratic process, given what is laid out in this indictment about trump allegedly trying to abuse his power to overturn the will of millions of voters to stay in power on top of what you discuss in your book about trump's affinity for dictators like putin and xi do you believe he would actually uphold the democratic processes? and a second potential term? do you think he wants to be an authoritarian leader no, i don't think he wants to be an authoritarian leader. I think what happens with donald trump is donald trump will say outlandish things will do atlantic, things on a case of the election denial and and encouraging, you know, the assaults on the capitol january 6, he abdicated, is responsibility is under the constitution, but i think what the situation we're in today, kamala is whatever donald trump says and does oftentimes the reaction to him is even worse. And we create these centripetal forces that are just pulling us apart from each other so i think what we have to do is knock down the hyperbole and recognize that there have been efforts, i think across the political spectrum for by politicians who are trying to score partisan political points. And they do it in a way that jeopardizes our confidence in our democratic principles. And of course, these cases aren't equivalent with each other, but they've happened on both sides of the political spectrum. I discussed this and at war with ourselves. I mean, war with ourselves is a theme that carries through it, is how this kind of vitriol, this division, it's not just bad for our psyche, which it really is, but it's bad for governance. You and remember when president trump came in he had all of the threats of collusion with the russians, yet the mueller investigation, right? the mueller investigation, 32 million. It created in our right about this kind of a sense of besiegement on the part of the president that wasn't healthy for him, wasn't healthy for the country and so i just think it's just time to get over kamala and i hope that we have leaders who will help us do that. Oftentimes present tropes, not the best leader to do that, right? because in doubling down on the field tear of his narrow political base of times are extensive political base, but his political base it prevents him from getting to the politics of addition i think you can see the same thing. On the far left at time so i just think what we need are american leaders who can bring us together, can start conversations with what can we agree on and i think we could get a heck of a lot done. Kamala. And really the book is in large measure it's critical president trump, and a lot of areas. But it's also about how this disruptive president disrupted a lot of what needed to be disrupted in washington in terms of administering. In many cases, long overdue correctives to previous unwise policies in the area of foreign policy area, of national security and i know, i know you do lay that on the book. It's a complex portrayal, right? i mean buckle trump book right here it's not a hagiography and it's not an antitrump screens. Right? right. But it's clear, even in you talk and you want to be very careful and you want to walk that fine line. I want to be. Precise. I wouldn't you want to be precise, right. I understand. You want to be precise and i respect that. But there are concerning anecdotes as well in this book is, as you tried to point out what you thought was good, they're also moments where you talked about how putin sees on trump's susceptibility to flattery. You mentioned this mcdade of walking into the oval office and trump is running a node on an article that we're putin was nice about him at a time when two people were poisoned by russia on an ally soil and you have to ask in light of what you lay out in this book. And even you wondering, why does trump putin have such sway over trump? if trump wins? he will be assuming office as the russia, ukraine war nears its threeyear mark, does putin sway over trump keep you up at night at all, given what is happening on the world stage. Well, i think all of us should help it if the president does get reelected, i think we should all hope, hope that he can learn from these experiences. Remember, vladimir makes you think he would learn at the age of 78 though. And after having for years where i heard that all the time covering the trump white house oh, he's just learning. He's just learning. What well, i don't know. I don't know about that. And hopefully hopefully anybody can still can still learn i'll tell you, remember, george and in prison, obama early in their presidencies, they both thought they could charm vladimir putin, right? they could get a big deal with them and they can have a better relationship. Remember, george w bush looking into his soul remember president obama with the research with the reset policy and leaning over to medvedev, who was keeping the seat warm for, for putin and sand here hey, off more flexibility after the election and he traded off missile defenses in poland in disbelief that you'll putin just needs to security concerns allayed. President trump. He felt that that kind of same trap and i just saw it it's my duty to tell the president what he did, what i hear. Hey, mr. President, vladmir putin is the best liar the best deceiver in the world. And so hopefully he's learned that and hope he's learned from sadly, the plate of the ukrainian people. I think president trump was persuaded he is actually learn that listening to what he's been saying on the campaign trail about putin and saying that he could prevent world war iii if he's in office again well, i hope i hope what either president trump or president harris understands is that vladimir putin is actually, is provoked by the perception of weakness. And it was the perception of weakness associated with the disastrous i don't know how to call it a selfdefeating and the deadly retreat from kabul, afghanistan. I think you could draw a direct line from that. Kamala to the mass of reinvasion of ukraine in february of 2022 and so whoever, whatever president comes in i think there has to be a recognition that you're very dangerous time in the world because this axis of aggressors that we're facing, who are really coalescing at this moment. And i'm talking about really, obviously russia, china, iran, and to agree, north korea, they're working together in a way that's unprecedented. And they're becoming much more aggressive. So i think all americans it should be concerned what you're with both candidates, what their positions are. This is why i think this interview is really important that cnn's doing on thursday. Hey, we've got to ask the candidates, what is your approach to national security? what is your approach to foreign policy? and maybe foreign policy doesn't typically determined the outcome of an election but kamala, we are in a dangerous time. And what i'm hoping is with this book at war with ourselves. Hey, let's stop being at war with ourselves. Let's recognize the threats and the opportunities we face internationally and work together to build a better future. The dedication page on the book is for our grandchildren, and i've been like all of our grandchildren. Alright. Lieutenant general i hr, but master, i did see it was dented. It doesn't dedicated to your grandchildren. Thank you so much. It wasn't it's an interesting read. Appreciate you coming on to talk about it. Thanks. Thanks for having me up next trump's running mate, j. D. Vance, on offense tonight, stumping in a critical battleground and accusing vice president harris of copying trump, a top paris ally colorado's governor is here you know what's crazy this is better than cooking at home i mean, more affordable than groceries. Of course. Groceries are expensive. 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Now, look, i cannot speak to the wardrobe thing you just heard there, but i should note harris did adopt the no tax on tips into her campaign platform after trump announced his support for it, does senator vance have a point here? look, i think this is what's great about kamala harris. She is willing to accept good ideas, whether they come from the left, the right you know an incorporated him into what she wants to do. The truth issues leading with her initiatives around building an economy from the middle class up. She's proposed middleclass tax cuts. You couldn't have a starker contrast donald trump, j. D. Vance is middle tax, tax increases with their ten to 20% tariff. So stark contrast and of course, kamala harris is able to take a good idea her anywhere and make it work. I want to follow up on another criticism that we heard from j. D. Vance today and he said that kamala harris does even know what she believes in and it is true that we have not heard a lot of specifics from her in this new role that she is now. She did rule out her economic proposal. She is going to be sitting down with my colleague, dana bash here on cnn. This thursday for an exclusive interview with her vp running mate tim walz. But do you have a good sense of what her belief system is where but she stands on the issues absolutely. Look, this is somebody who as a prosecutor, put criminals behind bars protected people as attorney general of california fought for consumers, took on the big banks. She's ready day one, what do you want in a president? you want somebody with a judgment, the intelligence, the passion for service. That's why but she has she is going to work on behalf of the people. As she said in her speech kamala harris for the people, what a contrast for donald trump, who's only out for himself. What to ask you about a new ad, the harris campaign released today using her own personal story to talk about her plan on the housing crisis. And here's a portion of it. Most of my childhood, we were renters. My mother saved for well, over a decade to buy a home. I was a teenager when that day finally came and i can remember so well, how excited she was. I know what home ownership means and sadly, right now, it is out of reach for far too many american families and the ad harris outlines her housing plan promising to build 3 million new homes, offering $25,000 to firsttime buyers and cracked down on exploitative landlord practices. Your state of colorado is one of many facing and affordable housing crisis right now. How realistic is that plan? this is what's great when kamala harris talks about the opportunity economy. She's talking about how look rather than having every month struggling to make rent, let's see if we can translate that into mortgage for more americans. So they build equity, build wealth. This is how people enter the middleclass. This is how they saved if for retirement or for the kids college education and that's what 3 million new homes in downpayment assistance is all about. Very consistent with our working colorado. We're removing bureaucratic barriers to housing, deregulating the ability to build housing, making it easier to build housing those are the kinds of policies she supports nationally that lead to more homeowners their ship a real opportunity economy, and ownership economy, and a wealth building. The economy for every american family. And she's seen that an act itself in her own life and the life of her mother. Do you have any concern though, about the potential billions and billions of dollars it could add to the deficit according to economists well, it allowed a lot less than donald trump's expensive plans. There was a new analysis out just in the last few days. It shows donald trump's deficit busting, big spending plans. He has a track record of record deficits. This is a guy that even when he was in the business sector, ran huge deficits, losses every year, it's how he operates. We know that is tariff plan is going to raise costs for american consumers and frankly drive out american manufacturing jobs because of course, retaliatory tariffs from other countries will hurt our ability to sell made in america and grow in america products. So i think for anybody who's looking for fiscal responsibility, kamala harris is the right choice. And of course, we want to continue to push to balance it's a budget and started moving forward with reducing our debt. We should note the committee for responsible federal budget. This is a nonpartisan watchdog group, estimates that her policies would cost at least 200 billion over ten years. Of course economists also say that donald trump's policies, as you point out, would also add a lot to the deficit as well as inflation. But i think it's worth pointing now and looking at both policies and what it could do to the economy, looking forward and it's not just housing, right? you'd take food prices for example, there's a cbs yougov poll and an ast independent voters about how both candidates would affect prices at the grocery store. 50% of them thought that a harris presidency would raise prices, while 40 1% of americans thought a trump presidency would make their grocery bill cheaper. Those numbers have to be concerning for the harris campaign. Know what more does she need to do to get her message across on that front? well, sometimes i wish these pollsters ask different questions. I mean, i wonder how many people believe that the president is the one who affects grocery prices. I'll give you an example. In colorado and across much of the west, egg prices have gone up. It's not because of me being a governor, it's not because of a republican governor in neighboring state. It's because of avian flu so taking out a lot of egg laying hens, the reduce supply. So there's a lot of factors people are smart. I'm glad that kamala harris is on it, really looking at ways we can make sure that we don't have monopolistic or antitrust behavior. It's worthy of investigation. Certainly when you look at especially the amount of food that's imported, most of our vegetable and fruit products i said winter as an example tariffs would be devastating. The american consumer inquiry, increasing costs by ten to 20%. I'm excited by kamala harris has plans for agriculture, for saving people money on food. And again, i think there's larger factors and kamala harris or donald trump can impact. But i know the kamala harris will do our best every day to work for the people to save money the and groceries. Let me just follow up with you on that because what i hear you saying is that look, a president can only do so much when it comes to prices, when it comes to the cost of eggs, there's a lot out of their control, but then you have kamala harris talking about grocery prices, saying that it's president day one, she's going to bring prices down. Do you think she's overpromising then? given the point you just made well, i think what she wants to look at our problems in the supply chain where you have monopolistic practices that we can do antitrust investigations into? i don't know for a fact whether there is or isn't pricefixing and groceries, but wherever it occurs in our economy, somebody who's been an attorney general and been able to investigate these has the tools they need to make sure that it's on the up and up and that people don't monopolize the market for their own gain rather than have an efficient market that pass the savings along to consumers. 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He says the biden administration repeatedly pressured his company to censor covid related content in 2021 zuckerberg now says he regrets that meta, which owns facebook and instagram, took down posts including humor and satire he writes, quote, i believe the government pressure was wrong and i regret that we were not more outspoken about it. We're ready to push back if something like this happens again the white house with a response tonight, quote, this administration encouraged responsible actions to protect public health and safety protect journalist and cohost of the pivot podcast, kara swisher joins us now great to see you. Kara so interesting timing of this letter. Yeah, how much of this is about currying favor with conservatives and trump, attacking him? all of it, i don't know what else to say. I mean, one of the things is talking about pressure and censorship when he was here the full i don't think anyone feels like mark zuckerberg can't act. I think what he's trying to do is sort of hedges bads. He's the most equivocating ceo in tech. And so what he's doing is he's saying this happened and he knows that if harris wins, she's not going to take revenge on him in that way. But the republicans very well might, because donald trump is even threatened mark zuckerberg earlier in the year so he's just equivocating as always, and he doesn't want to go all the way down the line like elon musk. So he wants to be trump adjacent if he needs to and so that i'm going with the supreme court, which ruled that this it didn't happen. And there are lots of testimonies by other facebook and meta executives. It said it didn't happen this way. So in mark's not on the record whatever yeah, it's interesting though, because he's a very powerful figure and yet you're, you think he has to kowtow the trump essentially they're really to not be certainly he's target this is exactly right. This is what he's doing, but he's not comfortable going full ilan, right now, backing him he's not a public figure in that regard. The thing that really was, first of all, the supreme court has ruled on this, which said it didn't happen this way. And that government should be able to talk to social media the platform is about dangerous things. He also had certainly at enough power to push back and say something publicly at a time. I think he can have regrets, but they're his regrets. His business decision regrets. And to use the term pressure is just it's just it's just currying favor with jim jordan, which is fine if he wants to do that. The other part that was really irritating as he gave money to help election turn out essentially through his philanthropy. And here he is saying, well, you know, it didn't, it didn't. I have other information saying it wasn't it wasn't partisan, but just in case people think it's partisan, i'm not going to give money for election turnout and it's just i don't know what to say. I honestly don't know what to say. Well knows it's not true, but he's doing it anyway yeah. No, i did that that stuck out to me too. So i just want to be neutral so i'm not going to i'm not going to even donate this election cause. What he says he wants to be neutral when it comes to public, to politics, but republicans are touting this as a win because they've long accused social platform firms like metta been biased against conservatives. That committee posted on x a big win for free speech. But is there any evidence meta and facebook is actually biased against conservatives. And i know you've mentioned the supreme court ruling, but beyond that, the supreme court has said it's not that this didn't happen. So they also have a lot of interviews with executives that i don't see going out and are being coming public where it didn't happen again, mark was not under oath here, so i'm going to believe the people that were under oath and if they had the they had a lot of interviews with executive saying this happened and proof of it. They would tout it. Of course, it is a victory for them and they've been trying to put out this nonsensical thing to the election was stolen, and that there was so much pressure. I don't think anyone feels like mark zuckerberg as a victim at all. He's one of the most powerful people on the planet. And so the idea that he's somehow being bullied by the biden administration. I'm sorry. It's nonsense. You're not you're not buying all right? well, especially the last part the last part was so ridiculous. I can't give money in case people think i'm biased. And even if it's nonsense again, same thing, nonsense all right. Kara swisher. Thank you so muat