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fredricka would you like to enjoy a baseball game from that seat? yellow everyone. thank you so much for joining me is back on the campaign trail hoping to re-energize his election bid after sure. when he acknowledged was a weak debate performance thursday night, the president just touching down in east hampton, new york. today's making several campaign stops on long island and in new jersey as well today but it comes as cnn has learned, the democratic party leaders are conducting polls to determine if biden is really the best candidates the party is conducting new poles to determine if biden will drag down candidates down ballot especially in critical races in the house and senate. cnn's arlette saenz as jordi us right now with a very latest on this. arlette out. what more are you learning about these efforts behind the scenes? well fread, we're learning that behind the scenes, democrats are quite anxious relating to the president's debate performance on thursday night. and it's prompting some a top democrats to engage in some polling and research to see how much of an impact his performance would have, not just on his ticket, but but also down ballot races as well. so in the coming days and weeks, democrats are expected to conduct their own polling and research. of course, there will also likely be news media polls at sometimes as well to try to determine what the state of this race would be and what kind of further impact it. the president's remaining yet the top of the ticket would have on down ballot races when you think about the senate, what do you think which democrats are trying to control the house, which democrats want to try to win back and other, other offices as well. but it really speaks to the awareness within the democratic party about trying to chart forward the next steps after that debate performance, one person said, told cnn a longtime adviser to the president said that the only way that the president would likely consider stepping aside is if he was really presented with serious data showing that he would not only potentially lose reelection in himself, but also cause damage to the house or senate, or other races as well. it's unclear how exactly this is all going to shake out when you think about the polling in the coming weeks, the biden campaign, of course, has insisted that the president is remaining in the race and they also believe that their message is one that will continue for resonate with voters going forward. so i think a lot of attention will be paid in democratic circles to what this pulling looks like as democrats are trying to chart the path forward for the next four or five months of this campaign. >> and then our lead as a result of biden's debate performance is the white house revealing anything are his campaign revealing anything about any adjustments that he's making in appearances or commitments? >> i think you've heard from biden advisers acknowledging that it was a bad night for president biden on that debate stage. and they are saying that the course correction at this point is getting him out on the campaign trail. you saw him yesterday in raleigh, north carolina. the president was quite fiery and impassioned in his speech, not only acknowledging his own performance on the debate stage, but also in his attacks against donald trump. there were moments yesterday in north carolina where the president was using leinz a, he had tried to use during the debate, but ones that had simply a fallen flat with his performance. and so his advisers have insisted that there are no plans for the president to drop out of this race. that they adviser say he is still intent on debating donald trump in september when that next face off is currently scheduled to take place. and they have said that the conversations that they've been having with the president's are about how to move forward on the campaign trail and deliver his message and convince voters of his ability to serve in a second term. >> all right. arlette saenz, we'll leave it there for now. thanks so much all right. the national hurricane center says tropical storm beryl is forecast to become a dangerous major hurricane beryl would be the first hurricane of the 2024 season. let's get straight to cnn meteorologist allison and chinchar. so what do we know about this barrel? its potential and when's the next update, right? so we just got a brand new update at the top of the 2:00 hour. >> not much changes, really mostly it's just that forward speed in the position. still looking at sustained winds about 65 miles per hour for reference, 75 miles per hour is what would classify this as a hurricane so close but not not quite there yet. it's just east of the windward islands. it's moving to the west at about 23 miles per hour. but what sits this storm apart is just how early we are seeing this strong of a storm. normally you don't get the second named storm until mid july. july 17, the average first date of the first hurricane isn't until august 11. and this one is you mentioned it's forecast to get to a major hurricane. we don't usually see our first major hurricane until september 1. so very early in the season and the main reason for that really comes down to those incredibly warm sea surface temperatures the area were beryl is located the sea surface temperatures running about three to five degrees above average. i know that may not sound like that much, but it is enough for systems like this to be able to flourish and really intensify rather quickly. the other thing too is the location. it's normed east of the windward islands. that's not very common early in the season, meaning may and june. typically there are more in the gulf and the caribbean, not necessarily this far east. now this storm is expected to become a hurricane later today could be as early as the 5:00 update, perhaps, maybe the 8:00 update, those would be the next subsequent updates that we get after 2:00 p.m. but the point is it is expected to increase as it continues to make its way towards the windward islands. several watches and warnings already in place there, but it is forecast to get to a major hurricane late sunday or early monday day. that means as it's reaching the windward islands, so those areas need to pay very close attention to this. from there, it's going to continue to make its way into words. the caribbean sea, so likely going to see at least a few more areas getting those watches and warnings as the system begins to progress westward, also to looking at that wide swath of those tropical storm-force wins, you're looking at numerous islands in both though lingered and the leeward islands that are likely to have impacts from this. so again, remember just even if you're not in the cone, your still likely to have impacts from this particular storm. also want to note it's not the only thing we're watching. we actually have two separate systems were watching, one just behind beryl that having a pretty good chance of becoming mean something. the next 48 hours or so. and this other system here that's located right along the yucatan peninsula that could slide up into the gulf of mexico. and the coming days. so a lot of things that we've got to keep an eye out here for the next two names on the list. by the way, if they were to get named, is chris followed by daddy? gosh and again, you said we've we're starting a little bit earlier than usual. all right. just what, 28, 29 days into hurricane season started june 1. all right. allison chinchar. thank you so much. of course. at the top of the hour, we're going to have no director joining me alive to give us the latest from his point of view. thank you. it's still had the supreme court is limiting how january 6 rioters can be charged donald trump is calling it a big win. what it could mean for the federal election interference case against him, plus 40 foot flames and 0% contained details on the wildfire burning out of control just 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u.s. supreme court that could come monday, donald trump's claim of absolute immunity. that case stems from charges over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. legal experts say it's likely that trump's efforts to get blanket immunity from all prosecution's will be unsuccessful. anytime friday's new ruling that the u.s. justice department overstepped its authority is forcing prosecutors to reopen cases against dozens of rioters at the capitol. trump's team is expected to use the ruling in an effort to get his obstruction charges dismissed. cnn's katelyn polantz has details the u.s. >> supreme court on friday decided that the way that the justice department charges january 6, rioters has to be limited that there has to be specific intent and language that the justice department uses when it brings cases against these reiner's for felony obstruction. many rioters, hundreds, even were charged with obstruction of the congressional proceeding on january 6 of 2021, and they were taken to trials. some of them play a guilty and many have been sentenced. there's only a couple remaining cases in the system where those people continue to serve those sentences. and so now with this supreme court ruling, there's gonna be a lot more work for the justice department to do these cases are very likely to go back to the trial judges now and be revisited in different ways within two hours after the supreme court ruled on friday about these january 6 rioter cases, a federal judge in dc, who sits at the trial level, told the defendants under her right hitters that they would need to be re-sentencing. so she's going to put those on the calendar. re-sentencing dates for some of these people who are serving prison time. and then in another case, a very well-known case against jacob chancellor, the so-called q and on shaman, the man with the horns and the spear with the american flag and the full horn, urging writers to come inside the building. he jacob chancellor may have to be retried. he's one of the only rioters, two only face that obstruction felony count. and so the justice department may need to revisit how it deals with that charge against this man who's already completed his prison in time. so a lot along way ahead on that, there's also the trump case. donald trump faces this same charge that the supreme court is ruling on. but the justice department's tried to get ahead of things here and say that donald trump's case is much different than the rioters that he was trying to obstruct the proceedings of congress in a lot of ways, including with that fake electoral scheme and with a lot of actions that didn't just occur on january 6 katelyn polantz, cnn, washington all right. so what does friday's ruling mean for the hundreds of defendants charged with obstruction? nearly 250 cases are currently pending. that included the obstruction charge in addition to others more than 50 people have been convicted and sentenced on the obstruction charge alone. and of those cases, prosecutors say 27 are currently incarcerated here to break all this down for us as former miami-dade county court judge, jeff swartz, joe judge swartz, good to see you good to see you, fred. alright. so former president trump has yet to be tried on unrelated charges, but he posted big wins on his truth social platform. so if his attorneys file a motion as it relates to this, is he consequently admitting that he had some involvement in the riot by even trying to assert this rulings no, i don't think that that's going to be the case if he is going to assert that he wants dismissal of his charges. >> the problem he's going to have is that he's charged with conspiracy. he's also charged with obstruction his obstruction is katelyn just said goes to the heart of what section 15, 12 who? is, about. and that is paper that section was passed after the enron case when they tried to destroy papers and evidence. here, they're also talking about fraud. and they're talking about the fake electors being a fraud and that is a paper case that's a presentation of patients paper to congress, intended to obstruct what they were going to do on january 6. so he's got a problem. this when is not a big win for him. it might be for some of the others to get their sentences reduced because that charge may be let go. and so now they will be sentenced differently for the other charges they had. but it's not a big win for donald trump. i think that jack is well aware of what he needed to do. >> okay. and do you think special counsel jack smith's obstruction charges against trump? will not be impacted at all by this ruling all right. >> i really don't believe that it will be there will be some parts of the conspiracy count that may be subject to it for overt acts that he did but the truth of the matter is that he was part of this fake electors scheme. they created fraudulent papers and some of them were presented to members of congress. there were clear attempts to use them to stop the actions of congress on january 6, so it's really not that big a win for trump. >> all right, so let's move on to the classified documents case where judge aileen cannon in florida is opening the door for donald trump to challenge key evidence in the classified documents case against him, the florida federal judge wants to hold more hearings. on trump's attempts to challenge key evidence. cannon once more evidence about the language in the fbi's warrant is this normal well, there there are a bunch of things here. >> the first thing is that she's calling it a franks hearing. that's based on the case of delaware versus franks in that particular case, what they talk about is that a defendant can challenge a warrant that is the affidavit that the warrant is based on on the idea that the police officers or whoever issued the affidavit and support either had a reckless disregard for the truth or actually lied there is really no evidence to support that there was a reckless disregard for the truth. she's trying to bootstrap onto that that corcoran, the attorney was forced to testify, and that the evidence that he gave was illegally obtained by the government. the problem problem is that there is a district court case. it says that he had to first that evidence. there's a dc circuit case. it says he had to give up that evidence. it is not her position to overturn that and say this dc circuit was wrong on top of which even if she thinks they're wrong, there's a good faith exception that is, if the affidavit was facially facially valid and the warm is facially valid, then she can't under the good faith exception, suppress that evidence in addition to that, they're challenging what's known as the particularity clause. it's in the fourth amendment that you must particularly state in the warrant the person or evidence to be seized, and the place to be searched the place to be searched was the entirety of mar-a-lago and the particularity clause doesn't require that you say exactly what document you want. you can say that there's a class of documents that you want in that clearly stated in the warrant. so the particularity clause challenge really holds no water is like saying, i'm in there to grab any guns i can find they don't have to say they know exactly which guns are in there. they don't have to stay exactly what drugs are in there all they have to say is this is what they're looking for. and if they find those documents or those drugs or those guns and in the case of those type of warrants, they can seize them even if they don't know exactly what they are. these challenges should have been handled by way of because the facts are known, should it be? been handled by way a briefing and she should have already ruled on this. there is no need for additional evidence. she as always, is just stalling off the end result, which is a trial all right. >> judge. jeff swartz thank you so much have a good day for you to all right. still ahead. a southwest 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be having a quoting now campaign meeting with his campaign co-chair in the hamptons, it comes amid a growing in chorus from concern democrats for biden to end his reelection bid against former president donald trump following a disastrous debate on cnn thursday night, and cnn's arlette sign joining us now with the very latest on this or let so what are you learning about this meeting underway right now? well, fried president biden is currently in the hamptons for a fundraising swing. >> he had always been expected to make a two stops. so we believe that this is the first stop that he is making through this fundraising push after the hamptons, he is set to continue on to red bank new jersey, and it comes at a time when president biden is trying to ensure that he can continue to bring in the money for his campaign at a time when many democratic donors have expressed a lot of nx following his debate, performance. now the president is accompanied today the reporters traveling with him said that they saw jeffrey katzenberg, his campaign co-chair, who is also a long longtime a hollywood producer with a lot of networking in contacts within that hollywood circuit who has helped to biden, raise money for other events, including that la fundraiser with obama, just a few weeks ago. but the biden campaign today is also touting the fact that they raised 27 million over the over the past two days, i was on thursday and friday a bright spot that they're trying to point to after the president's performance in the debate. but cnn has spoken with donors who are quiet anxious about the president's performance and what it could mean for the future, not just of the ticket, but also the democratic party is there staring down the competition against trump in november. now, today we're also learning that the democratic national committee will be holding a meeting with its members. this afternoon, the dnc chair jamie harrison is expected to talk to the members. i'm told to provide updates, not just on the dnc and voter mobile possession efforts, but also to offer a recap of thursday's debate that meeting likely an opportunity to try to reassure some democrats at a time of high anxiety within the party following the presence, performance on the debate stage. >> all right. arlette saenz. thanks so much. all right. for more, let's bring am political reporter for the boston globe, james pin dao. james, great to see you so democrats are holding that call this afternoon is arlette justice spelled out president biden, meeting with campaign co-chair while in the hamptons. what do you believe the focus of the conversations? is all about you? >> this is a remarkable moment. i've covered politics for decades now, frederick, i think there's only one example really, you can point to how weird this weekend is in the freak out that's the access hollywood video weekend for the republicans in 2016. remember back then people were pulling out a fundraisers. they weren't wanted to be seen. they didn't know what was happening. and there were serious discussions about dropping the top candidate off the ticket. serious questions asked of republicans. will you actually still vote for this person? and that's where we're at with democrats. now, this meeting being called today is very rare to happen at such a short notice which shows exactly that democrats understand these. the party apparatus does in the campaign does the deep concern there freak out among many democrats of where they should be headed right now and they're trying to get ahead of it at the same time. >> i mean, while certainly we're hearing about panic, the freak out as you put it, is there also a chorus that accompanies you know, that former president obama, the vice president is there a chorus within the democratic party, which is saying, here's the plan not to freak out publicly, not to panic publicly. and this is what we ought to be talking about yeah, it was a fascinating and say 12 hours from the moment the debate ended thursday night and two, let's say, noon on a yesterday, where did that period? >> the and you had even leaders like us senators, jack reed and rhode island jeanne shaheen of new hampshire party itself should not exactly people who go for headlines saying, i'm not sure exactly what should happen in the future. and we should wait it out, which is different than saying we're stuck with a guy. i'm backing the guide. but what since news yesterday, we have now seen a clear signs that they're going to have to stick with biden number. i had breakfast this morning with a democratic congressman and he was basically saying number one, obviously this is bad number to combat. harris is not going to fix anything and three the focus has to be on defeating donald trump trump instead of directly promoting joe biden email, there's one more thing could rica i'm struck with you. there's a common phrase that joe biden says, he quotes a former boston mayor kevin white, who says, don't compare me to the almighty compare me to the alternative. and that's going to be a growing theme i think of this campaign, of course, many americans when i compare joe biden to those who are the living. and that's going to be joe biden's biggest struggle, i think going forward. >> well, what's interesting, you said that about the comparison though, because that's what vice president kamala harris was doing in the post debate conversation saying, you've got to, she knows the record that he's had for the last three years. that's what you should be measuring him on, not style compared to a donald trump. so she's getting a lot of praise for the way she's handled things and how she's trying to redirect the narrative. so do you see that? so she can be used constructively to help rebuild. you know, i guess the style are performed performance or the image of the president at this juncture? >> would you point simpler one, kamala harris obviously had a very rocky start as a vice president. and i think we've seen her in the last six months sort of come into her own being used more of the campaign surrogate clearly on abortion, no question, but also run the country because obviously it was in las vegas yesterday doing it in the campaign fuels more comfortable with her doing that. but to your point, this vice presidential debate maybe the most important vice president debate we've seen in modern times. obviously, both major nominees are quite old. people are looking for the future and after joe biden's debate performance on thursday night, there's gonna be a lot more pressure on kamala harris to perform okay. and then as it relates to biden's performance you know yes. if his performance on the debate stage is well, many people have called it being very damaging isn't it that much more damaging when you have leading a democrats who are now challenge jiang, whether he should step aside. i mean, at a billionaire mark cuban said this morning on cnn that biden should be replaced do you see democratic leadership going into damage control trying to undermine those arguments because arguments like that only further damage the standing of a biden on the public stage right now there's no question and that's why there's an emergency meeting today of the dnc this afternoon from the dnc. >> that's why there was an all hands on deck meeting inside the biden campaign yesterday. they are trained to stem that. this is obviously not helpful to the biden campaign, but democrats, i do think are allowed to explore the possibility whether or not this is actually working, whether he actually lost the entire election on thursday to dramatic statement, but it felt so epically bad. thursday night. but going forward, look logistically speaking we're not going to have a floor fight in the way we're headed right out. democrats is a funny little cork, but they have to, because of ohio recording 90 days for there to be nominated, put someone the ballot. they're going to gather on a virtual meeting before the democratic national convention. obviously, joe biden is almost 97% of all committed delegates on that first ballot the right now this is up to joe biden. if he is does not want to be the nominee, he's the only one who can decide that no one else can decide that. and if he decides not to run, it's logistically speaking much easier for him to pick kamala harris, even though i don't think it's going to solve much versus opening up this convention to chaos. i don't think he wants that, but obviously been moved much more exciting for us political reporters wouldn't it all right james findall thank you so much, great to see you. thank you, ed. tomorrow, former house speaker nancy pelosi, congressman james clyburn, an senator, lindsey graham. all joining jake tapper on state of the union to discuss fallout from the presidential debate and what comes next for donald trump and president biden. that's tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. all right. a new us supreme court ruling 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homeless for sleeping outside. justice neil gorsuch wrote the 6-3 majority opinion, which rejected arguments that anti-camping laws violated the constitution as cruel and unusual punishment homeless people in grants pass, oregon could now face hundreds of dollars in fines or even jail time for sleeping in public spaces at attorney representing grants pass said, quote, the us supreme court delivered urgent relief to the many communities that have struggled to address the growing problem of dangerous encampments the court has now restore the ability of cities on the front lines of this crisis to develop lasting solutions that meet the needs of the most vulnerable members of their communities, while also keeping our public spaces safe and clean places like san francisco faces serious homelessness crisis. the city's democratic mayor, london breed, is praising the court's decision with this opportunity, will be able to do more to clean and clear our streets, especially for those who are refusing shelter and services with the city today, i want to be very clear, camping on the streets of san francisco is already prohibited. >> like this is not something that should be happening in general. and so as a result of this decision, we are able to enforce the law and to clear the encampment off the street. now join me right now as well night a director for the national homeless ness law center and former public defender. >> well, great to see you. >> thank you for having me, fredricka. >> all right. so i help explain when behavior from a homeless person in say, grants pass, oregon is a crime? >> but that's not what this case is about. it's not about behavior of homeless people. this is about access to affordable housing. homelessness is caused by a lack of access to affordable housing and right now, we are in the middle of the worst spike in housing costs that we've ever seen since at least the great depression. >> well, but it is behavior right, or actions because it isn't just being homeless that you can now be targeted and penalized or find based on this decision, it is about presenting bedding, putting up an encampment and you heard london breed in san francisco talking about encampments. they are now, they now have the endorsement, the authority by the u.s. supreme court to go ahead and remove those encampments. so when i ask about behavior, it is someone who is homeless and grants pass or perhaps receive in other cities now if they erect a attend in a city park, they can now be subjected to fines or even jail time. >> once again that's not. what this case is about people don't choose homelessness people end up in homelessness because they lose access to housing. and what the supreme court held is that the eighth amendment does not protect homeless people for from being punished for being criminally punished. simply for existing in public. we're using a blanket to try and survive a winter night in a city that had literally a blizzard just a week or two before oral argument it's not about behavior. it's about punishing poor people for existing and the supreme court just gave every city in the country permission to do that. >> so you are worried about what happening now, the consequences from this ruling is what as you see it it's absolutely going to make homelessness worse. like i said, the supreme court just gave permission to every other son downtown in the country light grants pass to grow as many police and prosecutors as they want. at poor people to try to put them in cages or try to displace them invisible lies them, make them go away but you can't punish homelessness away. if we could, we would have done it hundreds of years ago. this isn't the first time folks have tried the only thing that solves homelessness is protecting access to decent affordable housing but as a result of the ruling, does this now give some cities including the grants pass, oregon? now the justification to fine and perhaps even put in jail people who don't have a place to live an absolutely does. and it's going to make homelessness worst decades of research from government agencies, from academic institutes through experts on all sides of the aisle have shown us that punishment, criminal punishment particularly of homelessness, is the least effective most harmful, and counterproductive. and also the most expensive response that we can have, the homelessness, it's going to make homelessness worse and it's going to make all of us worse off for it. >> and so obviously some people will be fined. they're not gonna be able to pay the fine. some people will be jailed and then some of these cities are going to find themselves with very overcrowded jails then what? >> well, we need to do something about this. so this is why the national homelessness law center is calling on our policymakers and all loans local and the biden administration right now to invest in access to affordable housing, to fund housing and to solve homelessness at the end of the day, the court's we're never going to solve homelessness. and this is the same court that just stripped away protections or environmental protections from the country that stripped rights away from women to make decisions for their own bodies. of course, they were going to take rights away from whirlpool durable people in this situation. and they were never going to solve this but right now, we can invest in access to affordable housing. it's the it's how we beat modern homelessness the first time we saw it right after the great depression. and we're calling on the biden administration right now to invest in housing and the cell phone. >> okay. and that's not an immediate answer that would be forthcoming either that two is going to take potentially a very long time it may, but there are things we can do in the meantime in fact, the state of oregon pass laws enshrining this principle that homeless people shouldn't be punished simply for existing and so while the supreme court didn't make this terrible ruling, and it's a dog whistle that a lot of folks are gonna here around the country and they're going to start making things worse. >> at least in grants pass, it's going back to the lower courts where there's still an injunction based on the excessive fines clause of the eighth amendment and where there are laws made by local policy makers protecting the rights of homeless people. and we can do that everywhere else in the country as well all right. >> well, night. so glad you could join us to express your concerns now, as a result of the year supreme court ruling, director for the national homelessness law center. and i a former public defender. i appreciate it. >> thank you for drinking all right. >> coming up new warnings that tropical storm beryl will become a dangerous major hurricane the noaa director, joining me next dr. sanjay gupta reports, but last alzheimer's patient, july 7th at eight on sieht, kinda riva support your brain health. mary janet, 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