states and around the world, i will blitzer a, you're in the situation room a live view from cnn studios in atlanta, where anticipation is building for a presidential debate. hello, like any other think if you're donald trump is going to take away this sort of circus-like atmosphere that we saw in previous debates. >> the interrupting that's what a yellowing the surface now alpha off of the crowd energy. and i think in some ways it didn't poses a seriousness to donald trump that he wouldn't get otherwise if it was a sort of crowd like atmosphere. and so in that way, i think that advantages him, right? i think the disadvantage for somebody like donald trump is you have to be serious. you have to fill up the time with coherent arguments, coherent talking points. so we'll see if he's able to do that. it's a two-minute he has time to respond, but he's got to talk policy and he doesn't often like to do that. listen, i think biden is an experienced debater. he, if you look at sort of the field of democratic candidates and democratic presidential candidates he wasn't always the strongest, but he's got a record to sell. he's got to figure out if he wants to how much he wants to sell that record, how much he wants to criticize. donald trump's record? for posture an anti-democratic ways in i think the bar for biden is very high. he has got the most to gain and lose in this. he's gotta find some moment that's going to transform this race because it has been we're remarkably stable in an advantage to trump over this last year kick kate bedingfield de you helped work. >> i biden's debate preparations. what back in 2019 and 2020, when you work through the write-off, take us behind the scenes, house all the debate preparation going on over at camp david right now. >> yeah. well, joe biden's debate prep is very methodical. he spends a lot of time going through the issues before you get to the mock debates that they're doing over these last couple of days, which is where you're really standing behind a podium having somebody play your opponent going through the full format. he spends a lot of time with his team i'm going through the issues, working through answers, giving his feedback redirecting, there's a lot of back-and-forth that means he's spending a lot of time thinking about the substance, but also means he spending a lot of time absorbing where he wants to be and how to make those arguments so that he's ready to do it on stage. it's less about memorizing details and more about absorbing the arguments, thinking about how he wants to make them and then you get to the mock debates and i can tell you from having prepped him to debate in 2019 in the primary against democrats? debate prepping to debate donald trump is a very different beast. so in these final mock debates that they're doing where they're going through the full debate and sort of letting the format run, letting biden test what it's like to be across from trump for 90 minutes. in some ways, they're really trying to prepare him 4, the unimaginable. they're trying to prepare him for very personal attacks, 4 attacks on his family, potentially for some of the worst of donald trump. and so there's a very i want to say almost freewheeling atmosphere around it. there's no holds barred. the person playing trump doesn't feel feel like i can't really say that awful thing that donald trump might actually say to joe biden there's a lot of work to prepare for that because it's a very unique and challenging situation keyword, unique? yes exactly. exactly. sure. michael signal through this this is real trump advisers. certainly want them to focus in during the course of the debate. i have some key policy issues, but i want you in our viewers to listen to what he told with trump told some black business leaders today, listen to this it's just a terrible thing as weaponization and it comes out of the white house even when it's city and state comes out of the white house in order to attack a political what about it? but since that happened, the black support, i think by representatives will tell you this. the black support has gone through the roof. i guess they equated to problems that they've had. but since this has happened, like the mug shot, the mug shot is the best set sure. >> michael, what's your reaction to that? i mean, i think the former president needs to change his his argument the reason that you're seeing some slight movement among black men as less to do with a mug shot and the criminal trials are the former president wolf and more about the economic conditions that many black men are currently experiencing, we know americans writ large are facing rising prices. >> many american writ large are facing having a job, but not quite having the income that meets a supersedes inflation and so if i'm advising donald trump tomorrow, and the topic comes up about african-american s, specifically men. i'm going to prepare some type of a policy policy position that speaks directly to what black men across this country are facing. were in georgia, a state that the former president lost by a little more than 11,000 votes president biden has an unpopular incumbent right now, we've seen new polls come out from marquette quinnipiac, and a sliver of others that showcase the foreign president has an advantage in every key battleground states, including wisconsin. if he can win back the six states he lost in 2020, that's a path to the white house. but in order to do that, in order to reach out to voters wolf, that he needs that are somewhat interesting, particularly the men of color some of what donald trump stands for economically, they want someone who's tougher, who stronger. he needs to speak directly to the plight of those individuals and not characterizations of what he believes that they're experiencing and have gone through because i don't think that's an effective message at all. you want to react to that? >> look, i think i obviously agree that for where the battleground is going to be fault here is largely on the economy. and so i think that's true for black voters. i think that's true for suburban voters, women voters mean that is going to be huge piece of the argument i would, i would disagree that donald trump has a good story to tell on this. i think biden will have a lot of ammo that he can use miss debate to harken back to some of the worst pieces of trump's economic policy from four years ago that benefited the wealthiest. that's a really powerful argument that we see that people feel like donald trump cares about his which friends he cares about big corporations isn't care about me. so i think biden will have an opportunity to really try to undermine if donald trump goes in the direction that you're suggesting here, i think you'll have a lot of space to undermine that, but i do agree broadly that this battleground is going to be fight on this question. >> i think just really quickly, if i think it will be hard, kate 4 president bind to make them that argument he's at four years younger voters, latino voters, black voters, even moderate leaning republicans, are not happy with the economic conditions under the biden administration of people do remember at least the first two years of the trump administration, the economy was strouhal, except except that wages have gone up under joe biden, jobs have been created, black unemployment is at its lowest under joe biden. biden has a very good story to tell. i have a job crappy away is i go to the metro high gas is still rising electricity that's not there there are plenty of voters who feel good about the jobs they have. i think joe biden will have a good argument to make their and importantly, a really. strong contrast with donald trump, which is where he needs to want to bring david chelyan back into this conversation as we all know, biden has been attacking trump for years and years, raising officers to questions about him. why does he think that will work again down when the american public already has a pretty good sense of what trump is all about, what biden is on hello well, one of the things that i think we do see in a lot of public opinion right now is that it's unclear how much of a sense of how the public felt during the time of the trump president that they are bringing with them into this moment in time hindsight is benefitting having the distance from that. >> hindsight is benefitting donald trump here, people have a rosier memory now of the trump administration, then voters said they felt that way at the time and to kate's point, i think joe, one of the missions for joe biden is to see if he can remind the american people what it was like to live every day in the trump administration from his perspective, he thinks that contrast is going to serve him well with the critical voters. they need to reach. i just want to make this point as we all watch this debate and i know there will be lots of like a flashy headlines of news and policy, substance and performance critiques and the like. but really, you have to watch it through the lens of these undimmed undecided persuadable voters and six battleground states and how they are going to perceive these two men tomorrow is critical to the outcome of this race. >> the work that biden needs to do and stitching together it's coalition, the coalition that one in 2020. and those are the voters that you're talking about who still favor joe biden, latino voters, young voters, black voters, but not in the numbers right now that he needs so he's got to bring those folks back to the party and then also reach across the aisle and get some of those things. on stage donald trump will contract if he wants to bring those voters who may be on the fence right now back in and show up. >> and that's why i think they were eager to do this debate. now you want to try to wait a stronger and the sooner they can draw the contrast a better for them. no question, but it's happening 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us right now. paula holly exactly. does this document become public? and what does it indicate? how the justices are leaning right now? oh, well, if the court acknowledges that this document was briefly inadvertently posted on the court's website, but it denies that it is an official opinion and says that the official opinion will come in due course. but this document shows a 6-3 opinion siding with the biden administration and allowing abortions to be performed formed in the state of idaho when necessary to stabilize a person in an emergency room setting and not waiting until that individual's life is at risk, which is what idaho law would have required. now, it's still though leaves a lot of unanswered questions because this only applies to the state of idaho and leaves unanswered what happens in other states with are conflicts between state and federal law when it comes to abortion. in fact, justice ketanji brown jackson, she called this quote not a victory because doctors will still be in the dark about exactly what the law requires of them. have three justices, dissenting, justices, thomas alito, gorsuch, focusing their dissent on the life of the unborn child now, this is the second major league out of the supreme court of an abortion-related decision. of course, the dobbs decision overturning roe v. wade, that was leaked to a news outlet a few years ago but this release is interesting because not only did it come from the court, but it also comes just one day before the cnn debate arguably the most a significant moment in the presidential race up till now i, paula, we're still waiting for some other big decisions from the supreme court in the coming days. yeah, a bit of a backlog. well, if we still have roughly ten outstanding decisions, we expect that they will really it's more opinions tomorrow, friday could go into next week. now we're still waiting for the official opinion on this abortion decision, but we're also waiting for that big case related to immunity for former president trump, which not only impacts him, but also answers questions potentially about any criminal no immunity that any former president would have. there's a big january 6 case related to writers who've been charged with obstruction and then there is really a massive case and not too many folks are talking about, but has to do with the power of federal agencies. so these are just a few of the big cases that they have outstanding and they may have to go into next week to really release all of these to the public. >> see what happens. paula reid. thank you very much. i want to bring back our political experts right now. i need leica, let me start with you. what would be the political fallout from this leaked opinion if in fact it is an official opinion that emerges. yeah. well, wasn't i think it highlights the draconian laws that exist in some of these states around reproductive freedom. and these are laws that donald trump supports. i mean, is it a real victory that now women in idaho, according this decision, who were the life-threatening condition might be able to get abortion care. i mean, that's the standard. so listen, this is a good territory abortion and abortion rights and reproductive freedom. 4 for joe biden and donald trump does not have a good answer on it. his answer is basically, state should be able to do whatever they want. they can disregard women's right to choose in whatever way and in whatever extreme way they want to. and so he hasn't really been pressed on that. this is i think going to be a big topic tomorrow ro and i think it's a strong suit for biden and again, this decision, these are draconian laws and donald trump is apparently just fine with them. this decision, kate, as you know, what allow it abortion if the health of the mother was at stake, not just the life of the mother. >> how do you think president biden will handle this issue of abortion tomorrow night on the debate stage. yeah. well, i mean, i think he'll say we shouldn't be here. and the reason we're here is because of i'll drop and the fact that donald trump put three justices on the supreme court who overturned roe and bragged about it. and so now we're in a situation in this country where people are being denied access to medical care that they need to preserve their own life and health. there we're in a situation where ivf is now under their potential limitations on ivf on contraception. i think he will continue to make the argument that donald trump is essentially taking away your freedom. cc is taking away your right to make a choice. he is inserting the government into a decision that should be between women and their doctors. and so this will be i certainly agree with nea. this will be a very, this should be a central focus of what biden is pushing on tomorrow night. we know that it is an issue that motivates not just democrats, but independents, many moderate republicans now as he's really working to build enthusiasm to turn out his own base, but also to reclaim some of these moderate voters who helped him win in 2020. this is an issue that does that because it illustrates just how far out of the mainstream donald trump is. so let's really make an argument about extremism that lands and the last thing i'll say is it is also a way to really argue that who is president matters, that this is a decision that has an impact in your life. it's not abstract, it's feels immediate. and so that sense of immediacy, i think he can use to his benefit to you. >> sure. mike. it's clear all of us know that trump over the years has been all over the map on this sensitive issue of abortion rights for women, reproductive rights. how should he navigate this if it comes up during the debate? so the former president often says this is something that should be returned back to the states. >> and i think he's moving in the right direction. but i think he needs to go a step further back to the states in terms of a referendum, allow the voters and every single state to vote on this issue. because what we found over the past two years when given that option, voters, democrats, even republicans are saying we want to protect reproductive rights. this is not a winning issue. for republicans. well, if we have two years worth of electrode data to showcase that, as a strategist, i'm looking at a very close election. i do not want to be debating this issue with democrats because we just don't win. that's the best thing is to say, we're conservatives. we believe small government allow the voters in the states to have whatever decision that they want on this issue and whatever that decision is, we as a party should respective yeah. >> go ahead. >> no, i say quickly, i think the problem for trump on that argument is that you have states like arizona, for example, where of law from 18, 68 went on the books. they've sense thanks to the democratic governor adjusted it, but saying we're gonna leave it open to the state's means that some of these most draconian restrictions have been put in place. so that doesn't feel to people like a hands-off small government argument. well, that's why vice president harris likes to label each one of these state bands or state actions as the trump abortion menchu try to frame it and tie it to the former president. obviously, this has been to your point about the last couple years of electoral data. this has been since the overturning of roe. i mean, this should shock no one, right? if you overturn 50 years precedent, it's gonna be a pretty massive political issue and it time and again, we've seen that democrats are advantaged over republicans on this issue. so i would imagine if this does come up in the debates, maronite, this is gonna be a place that joe biden, maybe more so than any other issue that will come up on the stage tomorrow night where he's going to want to stake a claim and probably own it because it's probably his clearest advantage issue wise, according to all the polling that's out there right now, the melaka go no, i think that's right in push. donald trump because the real goal of republicans is a national abortion ban. and that is what donald trump would likely want to see he would, i think see power to these activists in the republican party who have pushed to overturn roe v. wade. and finally got what they want. so make him own it. but i think also the idea of freedom, right? you have to paint the republicans as extremist on basic human rights, on basic rights that women have enjoyed offer many any decades in this country. and that's the pivot i think he hasn't made. you can just be abortion. it has to be this signals that the republican party is extreme in terms of freedoms and comes away. average americans want to live their lives. but if i can quickly on this issue, it's a very small percent of the republican party that would like to have a national ban. >> most republicans did not agree with that. and if you've seen from ohio dr. other states were actual vote is not state legislatures controlled by republicans, but the actual voters, it's not just democrats are voting to protect us. it's also a ton of republicans though to send, this is government the overreach. i do believe the former president has room on this issue to grow those evangelicals and not go into all of a sudden vote for biden or stay home. they're going to still turn out for donald trump. so there's room to be nimble on this topic. trump abs itself has acknowledged this is not a winning issue. republicans. >> he has because he understands reality that we have seen. >> we barely won the house. there's a good chance we may lose the house in november of this year. and again, i think democrats have been masterful at really targeting suburban women in particular on this issue, they were once a reliable voting black for republicans. we've sent see to that ground to democrats because of reproductive rights, we need to win those voters back. >> 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they have about him present biden has to show that he can stand there for an extended period of time. he has to essentially reprised his state of the union speech. he has to quell what is, are pretty widespread questions and concerns among not just independent voters, but democratic strategists about his age and about his ability to handle the rigueur of campaign. and he also has to lay out what he wants to do over the next four years and what he would do with it another term, it's much easier to be the insurgent than the person in power you've done an amazing job covering trump for the new york times all these years we've seen trump and his allies in recent days. >> he's already trying to pre spin the debate. what does that suggest to you well, this is always what they do. >> i mean, there's been a bunch of things they've been pre spinning the debate and how biden will do. trump has both set expectations low and then tried to say actually he's a worthy debater and his, associates have been pushing them to say something like that for awhile now, they've moved on to baseless allegations about drugs that biden is on so this is what trump does with everything that is an open question for him as he tries to frame it so that no matter what happens, if he doesn't do well, it's because the system was set up in some way against him. it tells me that trump knows that this debate needs to go well for him and needs to go badly for president biden she has learned maggie that the biden team suspects that trump may have done more preparation than ever before going into this debate. what is your sense of how much trump is? preparing trump is definitely been preparing for this debate. >> although for the most part, he's been preparing and in ways that are different than president biden has. president biden has holed up at camp david with a number of advisers, trump has largely, although not exclusively done policy time where they have gone over aspects of his record and things that wants to focus on. and then areas of contrast with president biden. i think that the biden team wants to raise expectations for trump by pointing out how much prep he has don and i think that's the that's what that suspicion of. theirs is about. but i do think it is true that he has taken this seriously and has been trying to prep for it trump is now acknowledging publicly that he was quote, very aggressive in that first 2020 presidential debate. how do you suspect trump is likely going to behave towards biden this time around the problem with predicting how trump is going to behave in any given moment is that he will, among other things, do the opposite just so that he could say that people were wrong sometimes, he just acts in the moment and it's he is unable to contain himself it's clear that both he and his associates would like him to behave differently than he did that first debate. >> and in 2020, whether he is able to do that remains to be seen. the thing wolf that i think that can't be overstated is both he and president biden really, really dislike each other and that creates something of a combustible combination or set of circumstances once they're on stage together is there any expectation, maggie, that trump will use this debate and the huge audience, it will draw to make a major announcement to shake up the race, if you will. well, there's certainly a possibility that he will do something like that, although i think the person who needs to, at the moment shakeup his set of circumstances as president biden not a donald trump, there is certainly a possibility that he could announce his running mate at the debate. that i don't think is necessarily the likeliest scenario, but it's certainly possible. anything is possible with him but i think it's more likely than not that he sees how he does in the debate and then goes from there a new poll just out from your newspaper, the new york times and sienna college shows that 20% of republicans and 10% of independents are more likely to vote for trump because of his criminal conviction in new york. what do you make of that i think that the responses from voters about a conviction and how it will impact their vote and four-and-a-half months have been very, very hard to actually pin down. >> there's definitely been a lot of, a lot of evidenced in past polling that in some places it hurts trump. i think there are people who may be responsive to his message about a weaponized justice system. again, he repeatedly claims without evidence that this has all been puppet tiered by president biden but i just don't think any of this is determinative of what it looks like in the fall maggie haberman, as usual. thank you very, very much coming up more news from here in georgia, joe biden and donald trump have both won the state and it's crucial to both their campaigns. this election as well, we're talking with voters here about what's expected to be another very close contests on the final episode of 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chances in georgia where biden defeated donald trump by 11,779 votes out of 5 million cast. the closest margin of any battleground a good candidate on either side, maybe able to sway voters in georgia kelvin king, a conservative republican leader, back trump in 2016 and 2020, right? thank you for fighting for all americans. >> while he believes biden is vulnerable on inflation, immigration, and more, he said a trump victory here is hardly guaranteed. >> we have new republicans who are excited about president trump. we have some republicans that are not it's one of the biggest questions of the race can trump capitalize on biden's challenges the former president's campaign has started opening offices across the state like this one in marietta. >> but trump has yet to bury the hatchet with the popular republican governor brian kemp de this guy is a disaster who refused to give in to trump's demands to overturn the election, which made georgia and early epicenter of criminal charges against him re-litigating is not going to drive people to the polls. at least not the folks in the middle, the vote that we need by focusing on today and tomorrow is really where we need to be georgia is among the battlegrounds. >> trump is trying to win back along with arizona, while also picking up nevada, which he lost twice. biden could lose all three and still win reelection if he holds the blue wall of wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, and a single electoral vote in nebraska to keep all pathways open, democrats are making big investments in georgia with a dozen offices, we will gather, we will organize, we will build community, we will build coalitions. >> that frame coalition is a pressing challenge facing the biden campaign. >> when we met karam singleton last year, he was disappointed. biden hadn't achieved all of his promises just as we hold trump accountable. well, we have the whole bought and accountable after hearing the president deliver a commencement address at morehouse college last month and focusing on his november choice, he sees it differently from my disagreements. >> a previously do not matter as much as the two people that we have as choices here. >> and to me, present, former president donald trump just isn't an option whatsoever back at the beehive davis is optimistic for the fall and for her status quo. sounds just fine. fine you know what you're getting with joe biden. >> he doesn't pull any punches. he's a straight shooter and i'm happy to see more of the same so. can the trump campaign sees on these headwinds facing president biden? >> well, if that is a central question, these georgia voters and so many others were watching the debate very closely. >> we certainly will. jeff zeleny. thanks very much. excellent. for it and we'll be right back the most anticipated moment of dyslexia and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage two, very different visions for america's future. the cnn 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