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current president and the former president will meet for a historic at cnn headquarters in atlanta while donald trump does interviews and attending fundraisers, joe biden staying behind closed doors at camp david and prepping with a large team of advisers. and we've got reporters covering them, both. kristen holmes is in west palm beach, florida. kayla tausche is at the white house and kayla, let's start with you first because you've got new reporting this morning about the advice that biden is getting from some top democrats. what are you hearing? >> manu several senior democrats who have the biden camps ear have in recent weeks been urging them to change pack on the economy. instead going directly after trump's economy, instead of taking credit for biden's own. now they say is a lifelong politician that biden is naturally inclined to seek credit where it's do, but they say that it's currently at odds with the way voters feel as so long as the cost of living is so high, no amount of good data would be able to sway them. otherwise, in the words of one senior democrat, i spoke with, he said of biden, he wants the credit, he needs to just stop. and while it's true, mater that everyone in washington has advice, what was so striking about these conversations was this synchrony of them and that there seemed to be a widely view among democrats the bidens economic messaging simply was not working. now that tide began to turn just a few weeks ago earlier this month, the biden campaign was out with an ad, in english and spanish talking directly to voters and saying he understands the plight of the working class and just today he has a new ad out taking aim at trump, saying that trump is out for herself and it's biden who's trying to make life more affordable for voters. i would say far cry from the bidenomics banner of 2023 as the president tries to refocus and reframe an issue that is so critical for the homestretch of the campaign manu. >> all right, thanks. kayla tausche at the white house and now to kristen holmes. kristen, what are you hearing from trump allies today i've talked to a number of trump allies and they say that they are hoping the donald trump stays on message. >> now that message is really focusing on three three things. the economy crime and immigration. these are all things that donald trump polls ahead of joe biden on. now they are still going over answers on abortion, on democracy particularly with donald trump has said around january 6 and the insurrection itself on capitol hill. but what they are prepping him on and really trying to get him to focus on is pivoting these answers to go back to the things that again, he pulls higher on, then joe biden, they believe if you can just stay on message with the economy, with immigration that he can come out successful on thursday night. now remember he is not doing any kind of regular preparation. a lot of what he is doing it's calling his allies, calling advisors, having conversations about what they think is going to happen on the stage. what i'm doing is i'm talking to several of these allies who were on the phone with them getting a read on where his head is at. and right now, they say that he says that he is focused, that he knows what he has to do when he gets onto that stage. now, one thing that was interesting, we've had a lot of conversations about is this fact that there is no audience when it comes to the debate. now that was proceeding teamed by many close to donald trump originally as something that might hurt the former president that he feeds off the energy of an audience. however, spoke to a number of allies today who said that they're actually starting to believe that that could help the former president because when he is feeding off of those audiences, that is when you start to see he hadn't rant, obviously, we all saw that rally in nevada where he went on about getting electrocuted and talking about sharks feeding off of the crowd's energy. they do not want to see that on thursday, they are hoping that this actual lack of an audience is going to help donald trump stay focused. >> yeah, we shall see so many questions ahead of thursday. kristen holmes from west palm beach, florida. thank you so much. and my pamela's hear me with me in studio to break down all this. cnn's even again, josh duggar, the washington post, and the cook political reports. amy walter, good to see you all. thanks for being with me. >> stay on message yeah is that possible? what are you hearing from the trump team as we head into thursday about their strategy and whether that actually is something that they actually expect donald trump staying on message. well, i don't think anyone who's been around for any stretch of time expects him to say exactly what he's told to say. i mean, he's azzam sort of strategists and comms director and proudly so right. he's going to do what he wants to do up there, but i won't say what they're giving game is lots of sort of facts and on immigration, on the economy and how they want him to attack biden and then giving him planting seeds and a sad, i mean, they've had several informal sessions. he's not buying and as ada camp david, he's doing extensive work. we're bringing all these people when and we're them. >> as kristen said, i think he's doing a lot of calls with folks at its are informal, but just doing germs and as head of things that they want him to say when he's on stage. and we'll do that. right. and i think what she said, i'll say is important is they want him to not necessarily take the debate on the terms that biden wants it to be on, right. to quickly pivot answers. back to topics that are friendly or do not let most of the conversation be about abortion in j6 and other places where he pulls unfavorably, but remind again, just a pivot and go back to being on the offense and we'll see if he does that. >> and that's biden's team wants a similar to try to be on the offensive and has kayla reported not to lay out all of this accomplishments enough as now, the laundry lists they want to contrast is what is to reiterate what one thing that kayla pointed out in her reporting from an outside, one top democrat, she said share these concerns he wants credit, but it's not working, referring to biden. he needs to stop. >> one. let me these candidates, especially in comments like to live a lawn, worst of everything that i've done, but just not necessarily what voters want to hear. >> well, they aren't necessarily believing it right now because it's not their lived experience. so to talk about how great the economy is, is not landing because people believed that the cost of stuff is still too much. so, regardless of what the unemployment rate is, regardless of how well the stock market is doing. that's not how they're gauging their own economic circumstances. so it's important to do that for that purpose. the other is as josh said, this has to be a contrast. i mean, the entire theory of the biden campaign is we win if this election is about donald trump. if this is a contrast with donald trump just talking two democrats, they appreciate that. if this is a referendum on the economy and on joe biden, he's not gonna win. yeah, trump wins that every time. so this is, i mean, he's putting it really all on the line here in terms of changing the focus of this campaign from one that's about the incumbent to one that's about the non so many voters have not seen trump. and what's right, or uteruses be the first time to reengage with them? and just see how he behaves under the spout bytes with millions of millions of voters watching biden got some unsolicited advice. maybe we solicited but appears to be unsolicited advice from hillary clinton in writing in today's new york times about, wow, she dealt with trump back in 2016, is nearly impossible. she said to focus on substance when mr. trump is involved in all three domains in 2016, he unleashed a blizzard of interruptions, insults, and lies. is waste of time to refute mr. trump's arguments, like in a normal debate, is nearly impossible to identify. what is our arguments even are these ploys will fall flat if president biden is is direct and forceful as he was when he engaged republican hecklers. the state of the union address in march the name is when they say the union. it was on teleprompter. he was reading it prompted yes, he had ahead glia at a moment back-and-forth, but this is 90 minutes without prompter, right? right. but although secretary clinton and that op-ed also says that she thinks will the two of them are up there together, that the contrast will really be clear i would say president biden does have an economic argument to me. he can talk about capital capping, the cost of insulin, allowing medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices for the first time. he does have an affirmative argument. make i do think americans will want to hear that maybe not in a sort of esoteric and academic long-winded way. but he does have to make an affirmative case for why he should be present. again, it can't all be attacking president trump. and then of course he can also needle republicans for not going as far as he wants to go. democrats want to raise the federal minimum wage. they want to extend the child tax credit for instance, and that is a biden policy that republicans stood in the way of. >> you mentioned the biden economy. unemployment was 6.4%. what biden took office four 4.4% now, the unemployment he does have some numbers. he can certainly 0.2 if 50 million jobs created, there were 15 million jobs created, 3.3% inflation rate of inflation got much higher, 9% in the summer of 2020 is down now, but the question, some of 2022, i should say, the question is, how do voters feel about that? yes, sir. they're good things here on the economy job. biden's job approval, 41% on the economy, and inflation, 37% and photos tend to trust trump more over the economy, may versus june. trump was up 13 points in may, june 5 points as is according would have fogginess, possibly there's a movement there are some movement, but nevertheless, trump is still winning. if you're the biden would take away from them. yeah. >> i mean, it was point is a really good one which is you have to make a proactive argument, but it has to be about costs. >> this is what is making people really frustrated that stuff costs more and it is true if you look at first-term president and compare this president with any other going back 30, 40 years. >> the only person who has had costs increase this dramatically during their tenure was jimmy carter and so from the time that biden started until now, the cost of stuff has gone up 20% with carter, was close to 40%. that's that's a lot. and it felt it was very dramatic so to make the case for one, how am i going to bring prices down and to the one opportunity that biden has, i think in contrast on the economy is and we saw this in our own battleground state polling voters do trust biden to look out for them. so if the question is who's going to do a better job on the economy, trump wins that argument. who understands me and my concerns? biden does have an advantage with swing voters on that question. so to say, he doesn't get where you're coming from, this is why you see his ads. biden's ads are all about trump's looking out for himself. i'm looking out for you. we'll see if that residue speaking of the way they've been talking about these issues, about the economy, just take a listen to how these two candidates have been talking about the economy over the last several weeks it's clear, we have the strongest economy in the world. >> that's a fact 15 million new jobs created in three-and-a-half years unemployment has and hasn't been this low for this long, for 50 years, wages are rising faster than prices and now we have among the lowest inflation rates of any country in american is still we're still fighting a lowered even further, refining and low over health care cost education costs to give just a little more breathing room. >> we're just getting started. the second term i want to keep it going to level the playing field by making the wealthy began to pay their fair tax. >> the minute crooked joe biden shuffles out the door, i will rapidly rebuild the greatest economy, the history of the world. look, we had the greatest economy in history. everybody here, where you have a small business or have you had a job you're getting more than you ever made and we had no inflation by will give you low taxes, low inflation, low interest rates, rising wages, growing incomes, and fair trade for the american worker. and we will make energy affordable again by saying drill, baby, drill i mean, the challenge two is that voters tend to have looked at trump's handling the economy better than they did when he was in office he's been benefiting one, pull him up 64% approval on that issue. he's been benefiting from time since being on houses. >> he certainly has people have short memories but this economy issue is just a persistent one from democrats, for democrats. and it is a messaging and branding problem more than anything else because the economic policies that democrats champion are popular and some of the republican policies that economic policies that republican champion or not yet, yet. if you ask the average american, they still want to hand their pocketbook and their budgets over two republicans to handle. and democrats just have to figure that out. >> what do you think? >> well, i think dropped certainly he's going to talk about the economy a lot on thursday night core attacks that he wants to make on biden are on the economy and on immigration, right? and that's sort of his, his dream matches. i think you've biden's folks the ones i've talked to you and you guys probably talked to more of them, but i do want to talk about abortion and they want to talk about what he did on january 6 and about democracy. they have totally different playbooks where they think the other candidate has the weaknesses and where they want to take the debate. i think binds argument is to show and his mind is my colleague mecole shear rope was weak. trump is more extreme than it used to be. he's more outlets touching it used to be he's lost his that he's not the trump, but you remember he's gotten worse? and i think i've easley with trump argument is they want to make biden's the feeble they want to make him seem as senile. they want to make him seem all they doesn't know what he's doing for the country and i think it's really is a debate me and i were talking about there's some agreement before we get about that. actually, i feel that could have real impact. a lot of these debates don't ever moved the right, but i think this is one way is to go are watching and they really are have high-stakes for both candidates questions in the race in stable for months deadlock for months, 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dismissed, but you won't you didn't you weren't straight about what happened initially is very straight. i was stripped from the very beginning. you said you didn't know i was straight from the beginning. all right. that was back in the fall when things were starting to move in the wrong direction for councilman jamaal bowman after he pulled a fire alarm in a house office building today, he's funding for political survival in a bitter primary against a more moderate democratic candidate, george latimer. the race is amplifying deep divides in the party over the war in gaza. and it is also the most expensive house primary race in us history, more than $25 billion have been spent on ads alone. and that includes nearly $15 million from a super pac tied to the pro israel group apac. i panels back so bowman is a real trouble here. you don't really see very rare to now confident comment in a primary, but this is much different. how do you see it? yeah, it is. you need a whole bunch of things to go, right? to beat an incumbent in a primary. >> the first is that incumbent has to have some liability in this case. >> as you pointed out in the opening, there was all the controversy around pulling the fire alarm. he's not particularly well-known. he was just elected in 2020, so he doesn't have a real deep base in that district. the district has changed because we had redistricting after he won in 2022. so a lot of his core base is no longer in that district. and the fourth thing is, you pointed out that you have an issue like israel, which is a dividing line within the democratic party and apac saw these vulnerabilities of a bowman and has a candidate and that's the other thing you need it. >> you need one candidate and it's helpful to have one candidate who is well-known as his opponent. >> he represents westchester county, which is basically the entire district so you have all those things that are working against bowman and the money that's coming in makes this really, really challenging for bowman does survive at the same time, there are plenty of other progressives who have similar views, who voted similarly on israel, who are now going to lose their price. >> yeah, i guess that's my question for you. if i like if bowman loses, what are the implications for the democratic debate over israel? well that's, that is the big question, but i think that that's the question that the israel lobby wants to be in the back of mine, of democrats at all times, it was always going to be a challenge for congressman bowman. >> someone like him who is a fierce critic of israel you've talked about the level of spending being unprecedented. i think the message though 4, democrats is walking away from this, is that you have 21-year-old volunteers from organizations like protect our power, working in support of him if he does ultimately lose what message does that say to those young people inspired by his brand of politics and his campaign. i think the challenge for the party is that those voices have become increasingly marginalized in this race really, i think puts that in front view. >> you know, it's interesting is that the ads that aipac has run they have not always been there, don't talk about it, but that's a strategic choice strategic choice, because they know that many democrats might agree with congressman moments position on israel. well, let's, let's way in after we take a listen to those ads jamaal bowman keeps attacking president biden and it's hurting new york bowman called president biden a liar he voted against the president's infrastructure act against rebuilding roads and bridges in new york jamaal bowman has his own agenda and he's hurting new york. >> george latimer, we'll take on maga extremists and he'll work with president biden to keep delivering progressive results i mean, this is an apac at related super pac ad that says george lauder male will take on mega street screaming is any work with president biden to keep l3 progressive results? >> that's tied to aipac. they're not talking about israel out of here. >> that's a pretty clear choice that they know what their demographic as. i mean, it's a different district, but i think the tom suozzi race in new york was particularly interesting in how he won and trying to find moderate democrats. i, where they are in new york on various issues, right? and i think in that race show one of the democratic party in new york. i used to cover new york politics is not as too far to the left as you might think. i mean, there are some real divides there that are interesting other or playing out here. and i think what latimer is doing are trying to in westchester getting supportive establishment folks, prominent democrats across the country is plagued the where he thinks a democratic party in new york is closer to being. >> yeah, and it is being divided even bowman's ads and those supporting him don't talk about the palestinian cause either. so this is an issue that is dividing the electorate. i don't know that one or the other wants to lean in entirely hey, on that issue. and instead, when you see bowman's adds, they're talking a lot more about maga extremists that conservatives are supporting latimer ii. they doesn't come out and say that it is apac in his ads in a vr, you're talking about the energy on the left hind bowman. let's do this rally from saturday, that included congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders stumping with bowman jamaal. >> bowman dared to speak up for palestinians doesn't give a about us i think give a about the bronx but i can see your point if he loses, it will could deflate those very people that the president and democrats want to energize come november, it very well could, but i mean, they want them out the way. >> not only for the israel-gaza issue because they push from the left on a whole number of policy issues. >> you will rather have an apac democrat, congressman of a future house speaker, hakeem jeffries would much rather an apac corporate democrat. >> then someone like jamaal bowman, who's going to challenge and push him to the left on every turn, i should note that jeffries is endorsing bowman. along, get done, and quiet. >> yes. exactly. why let's quickly turn to other primers that are on the calendar. >> there are actually two that were a little watching. won the seat effort to replace mitt romney and utah. there's more establishment candidate at trump, bad candidate. we'll see how that plays out. and also congresswoman lauren boebert. she is a member of the far-right of the house, republican conference. here is endorsed by donald trump and xi is add that number of controversies. shall we say in her time. and office, just some of the headlines there on your screen? >> she moved to another district, right. i mean, basically by entirely across the state exactly. because of the fact that she could have been vulnerable in a general election against democrat in our current district. >> and what she has going for her is what your jamaal bowman does not, which is it's a crowded primary and to whatever anti-encampment vote there is gets divided among that multi candidate race the polling shows she's ahead, which is again notoriety it is for some professions is not good for politics any, what did they say like any news is good news is good news or any public i agree with in this case, it seems to be working in her favor yeah. >> as is the trump endorsement. so i'll see i get multiple candidates. i can help her out we'll say big, big night tonight. all right. coming up, democratic congresswoman and biden campaign co-chair of veronica escobar's here. i'll ask her about the presence strategy for thursday night and what he's doing to shore up the latino vote daqqa likes to eat fruit bites for fast and gentle constipation relief. >> and as little as 30 minutes. making your good morning even better with all backs imagine a future where plastic is not wasted. >> but instead 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also a member of both the congressional probe aggressive caucus and span a caucus congresswoman. >> thanks for joining me today. great to see you really appreciate it. okay. so you think about thursday what is your biggest concern? well, we hadn't the thursday's debate, you know, i actually really excited. i don't have you must be losing sleep over some i do think donald trump may be unhinged. we've s doing to address their concerns with she's doing the uplift american families fight for our freedoms. make sure that we have a future in this country versus the man who wants to be a dictator and the man who's now make policies have been panned by moody's analytics by cap 16 economists, nobel prize winning economists, have come out to warn the american people that candidate donald trump's plans for the economy would create an inflation bomb. that's what i'm excited to see. president biden layout and draw the contrary. >> there's some concerns with eight, our colleague kayla tausche is reporting about the biden layout. a number of his achievements. we'll talk about his, what he considers his major achievements that really not really as anything with voters, do you have concerns if he'd simply lays out a laundry list of things that he believes he has achieved an office that that will may not land well, given that a lot of voters are not happy with the job that he's done in office. >> i think the president can do both things at the same time. i think it is really important for the american people to remember where we were four years ago, where we couldn't be together, where we had a president donald trump telling us to inject disinfectant calling covid a hoax historic job losses, a catastrophic economy, and president biden inherited that mess it has helped rebuild our economy. yeah, there's, there's work to be done, but it is, which is why we're asking the american people to let president biden finished the job through a second term. but, but i do think it is important to recognize that the president has helped bring manufacturing jobs to america reduced the cost of prescription drugs more to be done. >> but he can do both. >> well, why do you think i mean, more voters think that trump did a better job in office then biden does that concern you? >> it does. i do think that people have amnesia and as i've been talking to communities across the country for the campaign, especially latino communities. i have reminded them about what we experienced for four years under trump. what trump left the current president, president biden with, but also what he's promising to do y, which we'll raise their cause. >> i haven't been are the biden team saying that when it's a contrast, people will start dying recognize that, but it is a contrast and people are still pull, still showing trump ahead. >> i hope that change and we're working to change the biden team failed to deliver on these messages that you're hoping to deliver the voters you know, mine, we've known from the beginning that this was going to be a tough election. the country is really divided. we're seeing that i see that on a daily basis in congress. i see that in communities across the country, which is why we are investing and going to people where they are this is a long game. i mean, obviously we've only he got about four-and-a-half months left until election day. this debate, this thursday is going to be an important component of that. there will be a second debate, and there's a lot more campaigning ahead. and i have faith in the american people that they will see that contrast, that they won't want to see tax increases that trump economy will bring or catastrophic job losses that a trump economy will remember the congressional hispanic caucus, but polls have shown that biden has been slipping with hispanic voters. that is not strong as he was before. what do you think explains that i am not what the biden had to differently. i am not a big believer in polls mondaire. i 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