billion with a b. we've got this honore got this. we don't force in america thursday, july 4 x 70s dirt on cnn hi, everyone. >> you're in the cnn newsroom. i'm omar jimenez in washington. we are just five days away, people from the first presidential debate of 2024. and today, we're seeing a pretty stark difference between incumbent president joe biden and his republican challenger, former president donald trump, as the two men prepare for this high-stakes face off, while biden is holding intense, meaningful, a closed group of advisors at camp david trump is skipping the tradition no route for now and is instead hitting the campaign trail. here is just a few hours ago at an event and washington rallying his supporters for the big showdown with biden nobody is going to be watching the debate on thursday night, right nobody. >> will anybody be watching cnn's steve contorno, we'll be watching him in person soon live in philadelphia where trump is expected to hold a campaign rally in just a few hours. so steve, can you tell us a little bit more about the trump campaign strategy going into thursday's debate. >> obviously, he's busy today omar know cram sessions today for former president trump. he's not holding mock debate sessions either. instead, he has hit the campaign trail. he'll be joining putting me in philadelphia and a few hours right behind me. and earlier today, he spoke with a christian conservative audience in washington, dc and very talked about what he did for them to get. this. his antiabortion justices on the supreme court, he said he has wounds all over from fighting for religious liberty. >> and he's so the right to freedom of worship does not end at the door of public schools. take a listen to what he told his crowd answer to the bureaucrats in washington. >> we answered to god and heaven, who likes to ten commandments by the way, going up in the school but christians cannot afford to sit on from the sidelines of joe biden gets back in christianity will not be safely have also achieved what the pro-life movement fought to get for 49 years and we've gotten abortion out of the federal government trump came out in support today of that controversial louisiana law that will require all public schools display the ten commandments part of his outreach to this question conservative audience where he told them, look you don't have to vote for me. >> four years from now, you need a vote for me. now, sort of saying like this this is the time in place to get active. he was concerned that christians have not been getting out to vote in recent elections. and it's time for them to step up for him this election cycle. >> and steve, i want to asked you about another aspect in the trump world that we're following because it sounds like the trump team is narrowing their search for a potential vp. i know we've heard that a decision iran is likely by the time he get to the convention next month. but who are the top contenders, right now three names have emerged as a top contenders. >> this point, it's senator jd vance of ohio senator marco rubio of florida, and north dakota governor doug burgum. all three. i've been bedded at this point i've been going through the process of getting bedded and have his advisers are coming up with pros and con list for each what's interesting though, is that we've also learned that there are influential backers for all of these individuals at well who are trying to get in trump's year as he makes this key decision, it's been broken down by this j.d. vance has the support of some of the farm all right figures and influential figures in trump's orbit such as don junior, his son steve bannon, his former adviser, as well as tucker carlson, whereas rubio as support from some of the donor class and sean hannity, kellyanne conway, his former adviser. meanwhile, doug burgum, he has a lot of fans in new scorpion hooper for docs kingdom. he has been pushing burdens name and a lot of his publications lately yeah. >> i'm interesting to see how that field narrows and to see what happens at later tonight. and philly. but steve contorno will be there for us to keep an eye on on at all. thank you so much all right. >> now, while trump hits the campaign trail on pennsylvania, sources tell us president biden is pouring over binders, going over possible scenarios, holding mock debates as he huddles with a close team of advisors. advisors at camp david cnn senior white house reporter kevin lip tack is here in studio with me to talk a little bit more about how the president is preparing here. that's not to say he also has not been busy over recent weeks, but what do we know about how he's preparing? but this debate this weekend? yeah, he has been busy and advisers do point that out when you're in the you're the incumbent, you always have to balance being president with being a candidate and that has been something that president biden has been balancing two. but he is now on day two out at camp david debate camp out in the mountains. >> and what we understand is that this was going to begin somewhat informally. advisers have prepared these binders for the president to go through what they're doing is trying to crystallize some of the policy differences between himself and president trump, and really trying to hone how he's going to describe those on the debate stage. so they have some answers, they have and potential questions they want to talk about how they're going to respond. but they are also preparing for attacks from president trump on president's policies. yes. but also on members of his family on his fitness for office, basically, they want to be ready for anything that trump can throw at them on the debate stage. this is eventually going to culminate into some mock debates. it's that the president is going to undergo later in the week, and it's been interesting because we've heard from the person who actually played president trump during president biden's preparations back in 2020, his name is bob bauer, is the president's personal attorney and what he's been saying is he doesn't necessarily do a full impersonation of trump. it's more of a character study. and one of the things that he's really focused on is making sure that his attacks are credible, that he can go after president biden in a way and sort of a ferocious way that they think that trump is going to demonstrate on the debate stage as well. one of the things that i think that they're very likely to raise in this debate is the issue of abortion, which steve was talking about as well and it's interesting because monday is the enemy diversity of the supreme court decision. the dobbs decision that overturned roe versus wade, while president biden is at camp david, the rest of his team the vice president, the first lady, are all going to be out sort of commemorating this anniversary, talking about this issue with voters, which is when the biden camp really does believe is going to be a galvanizing one for them. november. >> and we know it's we've seen results to this point that that's an issue that that's been galvanizing for many voters from the midterms too special elections that we've seen in specific states where abortion was literally on on the ballot in those cases. but kevin, i wanna go back to a little bit of what you said before because who are these people that he is actually preparing with? what do we know about this team? he's a biden is notoriously, he has a notoriously tight group of advisers. he doesn't let new people and all that often you are seeing this at his preparations camp, david, it's being led by ron klain, who is his former chief of staff, but probably more importantly, he is the most seasoned debate coach and the democratic party. he has been doing this for years. he did it for biden and 20 he did it for hillary clinton and 16 he has been doing this for a long time. you also see some of his messaging gurus and anita dunn mcdonald now and also as current chief of staff, jeff sites and bruce reed, who is his policy chief and helped sort of put these binders together. i do think it's interesting. ron klain back in 2012 worth this list of debate rules as he was preparing. so it does give you an idea of what they're doing. one of them is developing a list of three items. you must say in the debate study or what your opponent has been saying especially in the days just before the luckily trump has given them ample tape to review no practice is more effective than mocked debating. so certainly there are going to be doing that in the days leading up to thirst day. make sure you get feedback from a prep team that is compact and candid. well, he's got there that up there at camp david, it's a pretty small group. it's people who feel like they know joe biden pretty well. >> and one of them is if in doubt, don't essentially don't go rogue. >> and the debate stage, that's not the place where it know what you're gonna do, know what you're gonna say. >> that's probably good advice for just general life. yeah. >> so we'll see if all of those play out on the debate stage in just a few days now, kevin, great to see you as always in-person. i've been very all right. let's keep this conversation going because joining me now is democratic congressman seth molten of massachusetts congressman. thanks for being here. now, look, you ran against by i didn't. and the democratic primaries in 2020 and i'm just curious just as a former competitor, a direct competitor, what did you notice about his debate style and what advice would you give him now as he prepares to face off against trump? >> sure. we'll all my first of all, thank you for remembering that you're one of the few remember, americans who remembers that ran for president years ago. but look, joe biden needs to come into this in. just show americans that he's in control. he's competent, he's, he's a normal guy. and that's such a contrast to the convicted felon. he's running against this is not a time for zingers, brazil, a tree biden just needs to show confidence command of the facts and command of his really impressive record. in contrast to trump's criminal record, that what biden does well, he just comes across as the ordinary guy. you can sit down and have a bilk shake with. that's what we need to see from joe biden on the debate stage. >> and look, i think the stakes are very clear here to this point, polis have really shown no real clear leader at this point, but i guess bottom line, do you think a good debate performance? we'll actually give him a legitimate boost in the polls here. >> i mean, let's be honest, the criticism about biden is that he's old and when he came out of the state of the union after a magnificent performance with tremendous energy everyone, even conservatives the fox news talking heads, were talking about how much energy joe biden has that's what he needs. now again, that's not by going over the top. that's just by showing confidence command. he's a commander in chief. if he can demonstrate that he can stand on that debate stage and take all the hits from trump who clearly is not much of a commander in chief. then joe biden will come out ahead and i think that a lot of this will then depend on what the press says. write a lot of studies show that it's not about just who wins the debate, but what the press says about the debate afterwards he needs another performance like the state of the union. and if he gets that, i think it will set them ahead in the polls and as we know, we just heard from kevin a little bit earlier, president biden is at camp david with advisers going through debate prep. >> former president trump is out on the campaign trail right now. i want to ask you about a common at the trump actually just made regarding migrants at the conservative christian event in washington this morning. here's a clip i said de and i have an idea. >> why don't you set up a migrant league? >> fires? and have you irregular league of fighters and then you have the champion of your leg. these are the greatest fighters in the world fight that champion of the migrants. i think that my migrate guy might win. that's how tough they are he didn't like that idea too much, but actually not the worst idea i've ever had. >> now. look we've heard what i would call a wide range of language from former president trump when it comes to migrants. but i play that because do you think the nature of those types of comments is something that president biden should bring up during. the, debate when he's asked about likely a very serious question about policy and immigration look, of course, those are offensive and derogatory comments, but i actually don't think that that's what biden should bring up. >> he should focus on one thing that trump and the republicans are playing politics with immigration while democrats are trying to fix the problem that's the message that we need to get across. immigration is a huge issue in this election. it's an issue not just on the southern border, but in communities like the ones i represent up here in massachusetts, we have a real issue with migrants but let's remember trump told the republicans to sink the bipartisan deal in the senate. he said, i want this to be an election issue. he said to america, i want to play politics with this issue that's what joe biden needs to focus on. the present needs to remind americans that he's proposed solutions the he's doing things to address the border crisis. trump is playing politics with it before we go a current spin, i want to turn our politics abroad because look, you're a member of the house armed services committee that biden administration announced is prioritizing critical air defenses capabilities for ukraine over other countries. >> this is on top of that ten-year agreement with ukraine for military assistance as well. meanwhile, we're seeing putin threatening the arm north korea if the west continues to arm ukraine. so i guess my question is, is the us doing enough, you believe to strengthen our allies as russian? sure ramps up its attacks and rhetoric well, i think the biden administration has been doing well, but all along, i've encouraged them to move more quickly to get ukraine the permissions that they need to use our weapons and the weapons themselves even more quickly than we have. >> and, you know what? again, when it comes back the debate here, let's remember that biden is the commander in chief, who's taken charge of this incredibly dangerous world and a very dangerous time for not just our allies, but for america as well, dealing with crises and israel with russia and preventing a war in china. we don't want a madman and donald trump being commander achieve the more that president biden can remind people that this is a dangerous world, and we need competence in the oval office. i think he'll will do he'll do well in this debate. >> and congressman, we do have to go, but i do want to ask you very quickly about the gi bill that you're we're putting forward with a few other members of congress. if you can quickly, can you just tell us what the significance of this and what you are trying to accomplish here. >> this is the anniversary of the gi bill. i use the gi bill millions of american i can have used the gi bill, but it was denied to a lot of black veterans of world war ii. so my bill is the gi bill restoration act, which simply restores the benefits. those heroes aren't. i hope it gets a hearing in the house yeah. >> congressman seth molten. thanks for being here on a variety of topics. really appreciate your time. >> good. see you, omar for everyone else you can catch the cnn presidential debate right here on cnn coming up on thursday at 9:00 p.m. eastern and streaming on max next, i'll see you there all right, meanwhile, a heat dome is baking the eastern part of the country, putting more than 100 million people under heat alerts as 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fully prepared to back its ally in the event of an all-out war with hezbollah. cnn's paula hancocks is in jerusalem with more apologists. what more are you learning on both of those fronts well, i'm uh, when it comes to the the us officials talking to and israeli delegation this week, they basically gave them the assurances is that the u.s. >> what's going to back its ally if they were to be an all-out war between israel and hezbollah. now it comes as there are increasingly concerns about the cross-border attack sand, whether that will escalate into a full-on war. the reason this is significant is because this week we have really seen the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu having a fairly public spat with biden administration officials saying earlier this week that they were withholding weapons from israel. now that was quickly rebuffed by biden administration officials and they said they didn't really know what he was talking about. but then netanyahu on friday doubled down on that saying the barely a trickle of these weapons were actually coming through to israel. so this has been a very public spat between the prime minister and the officials. and so this is really been a reassurance from the us aside the security assurances that israel would have what it needed in the events of this war. now the us did point out that there would not be boots on the ground. these senior us officials saying that the us would not be bringing troops in into this region. but they would actually be giving the weapons that were necessary. omar. oh, hancocks. thank you so much. let's talk more about this with former israeli ambassador ambassador to the us, michael oren, who joins us now from tel aviv. michael, i want to ask about the deadly strike today and yesterday. the red cross said at least 22 more were killed in a strike that did hit civilians sheltering in a humanitarian zone and southern gaza. now the idf is denying any responsibility in that attack but i don't wanna, in a recent interview with us you talked about how the israeli military, you believe is the most moral army in the world. and that the country has taken extraordinary steps to limit civilian casualties casualties do you still feel confident in that assessment i. >> absolutely good to be with you, omar? absolutely any palestinian casualty is a tragedy. >> let's be very clear about that. and one is one to manage but we're dealing with an enemy. >> and fighting that. we've hiding behind civilian populations beneath the civilian populations with 400 miles of tunnels and the palestinian health ministry, which is basically hamas, not only inflates his figures, it doesn't distinguish between those palestinians are actually terrorists and about half, at least half of the policies that we know have been killed in gaza are in fact terrorists and if you add to that, the palestinians were killed by palestinian rockets that fall we're about 12% of their rockets fall short. >> that kills palestinians and over the course of 78 months, about 4,000, 5,000 people die of natural causes. >> they throw that number in there too. if you deduct all that, you've got about one combatant death to every civilian death. and that is the lowest level of any modern combat in history in my microphone. back in afghanistan, it was between four to one and nine to one of civilian took a batten casualties. so yes, israel is a moral army. it's doing its utmost to avoid civilian casualties. there was no indiscriminate bombing. bombings in gaza go through a very long approval process, both by the air force as well as by legal experts. and yes, mistakes happen. >> shooting me. take a look at the number of israelis would have been killed by israeli fire i'm an old combat veteran. i'll say a combat is very confusing and yes, there's friendly filer interest incidents and civilians inadvertently, accidentally get killed. but the chance of that happening are increased manifold leak. if you're you're dealing with me, it's actually using those civilians as human shields there's one quick way to end this. >> ammar that is just hamas says, it's over. hamas gives up the hostages and hamas ends this war. and it can literally, in another minute and i just want to say for the death toll that a lot of those numbers have come from the gaza health in sri, but there are un officials in us officials that have deemed that number credible. >> but cnn has not been able to independently verify those numbers. i want to ask you about on another front, mr. ambassador, because we have seen there's there's no secret that it does seem there is tension between israeli prime minister and united states officials in some cases, over how the wars is being conducted, but also netanyahu was accused the biden administration now of width holding weapons to israel. now the us is strongly disputing this, and we just reported that democratic lawmakers have lifted holds on unexpected $18 billion sale of f15 fighter jets. >> but i guess the question is, how do you see the dynamic right now between these two longtime allies? >> and is what you're seeing right now, troubling in any way? >> to you it's currently, yes ms >> unclear, i'm not in the government out a spokesman for the government and not privy to what's going on behind closed doors. what is clear though is there's an open spat and that's batch should not be happening. it's certainly been it shouldn't be happening at a time. normally when israel is engaged and getting desperate war with gaza, but on the verge of a much, much broader war in the north with hizballah, a war in which even the vitamins that says united states is labeled become involved, at least in a passive way of taking down the between one and 6,000 rockets, which hizballah is expected to fire at israel in that, in that conflict. and these are much bigger caracas, much longer range, and heavier rockets and they're very accurate. so the united states support and that way it would be very much appreciated. >> but this type of open disagreement doesn't benefit either, so it doesn't better the united states doesn't benefit them israel. >> it only benefits hamas and benefits ultimately his balah hamas won't accept a ceasefire because the head of hamas, mr. sinwar believes the times working on his side. and if you see israel and the united states bickering with one another, he could conclude that pressure will increase on israel and eventually his rule agree to a permanent ceasefire that will enable hamas to come out of the tunnels and declare victory and reconquer gaza and stages the next attack against israel. his balah is saying it won't accept a ceasefire unless hamas does you see how this all holds together? so this actual type of exchange is frankly endangering the entire region and increasing the chances for a much border, much broader, much more destructive war and of course, as we keep an eye and monitor tensions that have happened in northern israel on the border 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correspondent polo sandoval joins us now from new york, polo, what are you seeing? what are you feeling? >> so yesterday, the thermometer at newark airports, any hundred degrees, omar's once that happens again today because that is the prolonged nature of this heat event. that's what has authorities concerned, not just here in new york city, but throughout the region you mentioned, is probably about 100 million people that are been directly impacted by some form of acute adviser are warning and washington dc get another very odd today, which means that the mayor is extending that heat for dc for the rest of the weekend and into next week, maryland also taking some extraordinary steps and make sure that their population to safe as possible. in terms of that issue, or at least on that that topical mark, what you're seeing are these cooling centers that are opened up in cities throughout the northeast, basically allowing people a cool place to try to ride out the datetime then the other challenge of course, is at night because the big thing is the highs have been higher. the overnight lows have benign as well. so basically there's not allow people many people i chance to recover the daytime peak here though. this is what you do if you're among the youngest of those hundred million americans are people who are affected by this year play in one of these water features she dropped the country with you, not in the water maybe you're on the waters beach both not bad places to be if you're going to be outside in this, he posts all really appreciate it meteorologists, at elisa rafah jones's now. all right. let's take a look at the wider picture here. i mean, is there any relief on the horizon for people for some of those big cities on the i95 corridor. >> we will find those temperatures come down a little bit by monday as a cold front comes through, but until then, we are sweltering. we've got temperatures or i'm sorry, the heat the keep alerts that i have been stretching from new york to philadelphia, dc even over towards cleveland. this is a look at the advisories and those warnings that polo was talking about where looking at more than 80% of the lower 48, that's more than 250 million people with temperatures at 90 degrees or higher as we go through the next couple of days. and that could dropped more than 250 records, both daytime highs and overnight lows will actually break more records for the overnight temperatures because we really get no relief at night. here's a look at the current temperatures. we are at 94 in raleigh, 95 in nashville, 94 degrees atlanta, even low, 90 stretching up to chicago, 98 degrees right now in washington dc baltimore has already hit 101. so again, it's pretty hot. but in dc are watching that current temperature closely because if we can't 100 degrees today, that would be the first time since 2016, more than 200 208 to 2000 rather 2868 days since dc has hit 100 degrees. and again, we're two degree shy as of right now, so we still have some time to squeeze that out temperatures up near 100 saturday and sunday from dc to richmond, virginia up and philadelphia as well? you can see where these temperatures again due back off on monday as that cold front comes through, they get a little bit closer to average with those highest closer to the 80s now again, the temperatures on the overnight don't really give you too much relief middle and upper 70s, we could be looking at 80 degree low temperatures around the dc area. and this is the real killer because you just don't get any of that really fat night after sweltering old de you don't even get those nighttime temperatures to help. so it really puts people without access to air conditioning at risk, right? so this extreme heat risk continues as we go through the day today, you can see it major across the eye, 95 quarter from new york down to baltimore, md do you see some extreme in parts of ohio. and then as we go through the rest of the weekend, it 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potential jurors from the trial i can 1990 5 this is a male black der someone has written here, must go further down on this card. >> i liked him better than any other jew, but no way they just thought jewish jurors were more liberal as one prosecutor said, black people don't like police. there were no butters there were no jewish jurors know jewish shares. >> the da pamela price had no comment on the expected release, but earlier, she did tell us this list dikes has 31 years behind bars, and so he has paid a price for that crime. >> she says, this guy, morris jacobson, was among the prosecuting attorneys on the case. we know he was involved in jury selection. >> yes unclear if a prosecutor or someone else wrote these words. he is now a judge here in alameda county, works here in this court has behind me, we call it a couple of times, asked for an interview. >> he said no court is over for the de we'd been waiting for a couple of hours to try and catch him on his way. at we haven't seen a federal judge believes this issue is much wider that in prior decades, prosecutors from this office, were engaged in a pattern of serious misconduct. automatically excluding jewish, an african-american jurors in death penalty cases, it's when you have serious prosecutorial misconduct that means that the conviction is a wrongful conviction. and so it's a question of whether or not we're able to negotiate a resolution or whether we have to go back to trial, that federal judge has now ordered the da's office to review 35 capital cases among them convicted serial killers, mass shooters, rapists, and murderers stating from the 1980s through 2007, the only other solution is that they get at for, for some that may be the solution. >> and for some that should be the solution. right? like i said, i i believe mr. smith did not do the crime, sentenced to die for killing lauren germane during an armed robbery in the mid 80s, the victims daughter just spoke to cnn was a fun dad. he would always take us fishing and camping and my mom worked swing shift, so he was the guy home at night. haven was the tooth fairy. >> she was too afraid to show her face. >> and my biggest fears. >> what if he gets out of chow? just that somebody out there hurt my dad and then he's gonna be out there. and who's to say he's not going to hurt me? >> brian pomerantz is looking through all those 35 case files in almost all the cases we've seen lists like this. and as we have names and next to it, you'll see them be male black. >> okay. >> fb, female black, or they were writing the race only of african-americans. they weren't writing the race of anyone else in 2008 82008. do you also contend that this issue was then covered up over the years? absolutely believe that's true. >> there was knowledge there had to be now because during an appeal in 2003 or former alameda deputy da testified it was standard practice to exclude jewish jurors and death cases as it was to exclude african-american women. >> it is ironic, they didn't want me on the jury and now i'm just to get 30. >> this is from the 1992 case file, a. franklin lynch, aka the day stalker, convicted of murdering three elderly women, but during jury selection, half they were so concerned about that person even being half black that they flagged that not once weiss, i mean, franklin lynch was convicted and it's basically a serial killer. >> he's now somebody that should catch a break because of this this is a tragedy on all level, right? >> there are victims, families who are suffering because now these cases 30 here's later, are coming back. it is wrong. it's also wrong when franklin lynch doesn't get a fair trial cnn's nick, watt reported, thank you so much for that, are coming up as president biden and former president trump prepared to face off. we're going to run the numbers with harry and enten to see how the incumbent president typically fairs in the first presidential debate, you're in the cnn newsroom tomorrow 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window. that's why we've got cnn senior data reporter harrington, who joins us to run the numbers. all right. where is biden starting for an incumbent heading into this first debate? >> omar, i was with you yesterday. i was with you last week. what a privilege to be with you again, here are let's let's run some of these numbers, okay yeah, look, if you're an incumbent and you are either trailing or tied going in the first debate that puts you in a company that you don't want to be in. because look at these, these are the past incumbents we are tired or behind going in the first debate, jerry ford and 76 jimmy carter and at george h w bush in 1,992, donald trump four years ago in 2020, you know what all four of those guys have in common. they all lost, they all lost that. now, i will yet that's not good. it's not good of course the thing i will note this debate is happening so much earlier, right? >> those debates happened in september or october this debate, of course, has happening in june. so maybe as you said in your opening, we have to take that conventional wisdom and toss it right out the window. >> well, i guess the question is based on that graphic that you just showed, it is happening a little bit earlier. but how do first the base usually here we go for incumbents this is something i was thinking about when i put this graphic together. >> i couldn't recall an incumbent who won a first debate in the minds of the voters. and it turns out that's because the last one to do it was bill clinton and 1,900 1,996. i don't really recall that campaign particularly well. before that, the last one to do it was jerry ford back in 1,976. those are the only two guys. those are the only two guys. the only two incumbents who won that first debate, usually the challenger wins six out of eight times the challenger has one that first debate, including joe biden four years ago. so the fact is, if you're an incumbent and you're trailing going into that first debate, history is not necessarily your friend because you normally that incumbent loses that first debate as well and only could fall further behind. but of course it's 2024 anything that happened, my friend, of course, of course, we've women saying that since well, for years now, anything can happen. look, i want to ask about this. you because we're in the game before the game, so to speak, some mine games from rhetoric back and forth. we've seen donald trump's campaign for months, tried to paint biden is someone who won't be up to this task, not mentally fit for this. and now he seems to be shifting his tune a little bit. >> it could biden actually benefit from low expectations here yeah, this to me is the most bizarre thing of all this normally going into the first debate, the incumbent is favored to win that first debate, george w bush was favorite by 16 points. barack obama was favorite by 22 points. even donald trump last time around was favored by a point, a small advantage, but one nonetheless this time around though, the challenger is actually favorite going into the first debate, more voters thing donald trump's gonna win this first debate than joe biden. so you know, you looked at that first graphic, you look at that second graphic and you said, man, that's really baffert joe biden. but the expectations this time around, omar are so low for an incumbent, it's in some ways almost as if joe biden can't lose because that line is so low, it's going to be so difficult to fall underneath it. but again, this is a unique case. it's needed campaign the two oldest candidates ever running for major party nominations so and winning them. so the fact is, we don't know exactly what's going to happen, but joe biden at this point, could bennett if it from low expectations, of course, we'll see if he's able to at least exceed or meet that bar on thursday we'll see we'll know in a few days before you go. and this is really important, maybe the most important thing we've ever talked about. i wanted to get into it with you last week, but we were out at a time. we know biden than trump. they're not the only big matchup coming don't write that's correct. >> i specifically said i have to be on with omar this weekend because we have to talk about this, you know, that nathan's hot dog eating contest as on july 4, but the two big wigs, joey chestnut and kobayashi aren't going to be taking part in that. they're gonna be taking on an a netflix special, come labor day. and so i was just thinking back to the most anticipated battles. this is one of them. i think it's on the same level as i'll leave frazier in 1971 or maybe godzilla versus king kong back in 2021. those are the big ones. this is this sort of level that's going on. it's tom and jerry it's chestnut kobayashi. i don't know about you, but when this fight it comes around. we're going to have to sit down together, eat some hot dogs, and enjoyed this epic battle. >> two men bound by fate for years and years and years. i don't know how they keep doing it every year, but whenever i watch, i feel like i had to stay far away from food i feel like it just let them do what they need to do harrington, glad we got that in. >> thanks for being here thank you, my friend b. >> well, enjoy the rest of your weekend of course. same knew hi everybody. we're following a lot of news going on around the world and around the country, including cnn has a new exclusive interview with american paul whelan has been detained in russia for five-and-a-half years now rantisi, you how he's describing his time in detention and the ongoing fight to get him home. you're on the cnn newsroom the most anticipated moment of this election, and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president's one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash to cnn presidential debate thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming unmatched when dry ice symptoms keep kelvin inflammation might be to blame over the counter. wide 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