witnessed it only to be suspected of hijacking the bus moments later. >> quite a story the news continues the source with kaitlan collins starts now i'm galen collins and this is the source. >> we begin with breaking news tonight as the fulton county district attorney, fani willis has just moved to dismiss the appeal that seeking to disqualify her andrew entire office from donald trump's election interference case, arguing that it should be dismissed due to a lack of sufficient evidence. >> as of this moment, that case is completely frozen until georgia's court of appeals rules on whether or not she should be disqualified. >> the issue at the heart of that appeal, her relationship with the special prosecutor that she put on the case, nathan wade, who i just sat down with in georgia this afternoon. this was the first time that nathan wade, his spoken to cnn on camera an interview that i should note comes three months after he resigned, after being given an ultimatum by the judge that willis had to go if he didn't you're about to hear whether he regrets that relationship, whether he thinks trump's trial can happen, even if trump's in the white house next year. and also a moment that i wasn't expecting when his media consultant stepped in as wade was answering the critical question about the timeline of their relations and ship, my interview with nathan wade starts right now here in atlanta, the georgia court of appeals has just essentially guarantee that this case that we're talking about, the 2020 election subversion case in the state of georgia with donald trump and the slew of co-defendants will not go to trial before the 2024 election what role do you believe that your actions played in that? >> i don't believe my role my actions played a role in it at all. i think that this is more of the same. it's delay, delay, delay kind of thing. but let's talk about the process here. so we understand that there were 99 defendants that were a part of the disqualification motion. >> they then after the trial, judge issued his ruling, they then asked for permission to appeal the judge granted fett and then said, well, this does not stop the business of this particular court. >> we're going to keep moving. well, now, as you seeing a few days ago, the court of appeals has said, hey, listen, there's a stay. this the proceedings will start then the court says, well, it will stop as to the nine defendants that are named in the disqualification motion. but as to the other six, we're going to keep moving forward in just on yesterday one of the defendants, one of the six starting to file pleading with the court of appeals and say and ask the court of appeals to say, wait, listen trial court i think that the stay applies to everyone named in the indictment not just not those who are seeking those who are seeking to disqualify donald trump is one of those who is seeking to disqualify the district attorney, fani willis from this. so essentially, he's not going to trial before november 2024 and you don't think that your actions played any role in that? i don't i think that the goal was to have this dog and pony puppet show base it on things that were not relevant to the indictment. >> i think it's an interesting trial strategy to attempt to defend your client by attacking the the prosecutor is involved but the four corners of that indictment speak for themselves. i think that the filings should have covered what they were sufficient the responsive filings were sufficient to cover any question that the court had and could have given the court could have given a ruling based upon the filings without the need for that entire circus. >> but initially, the district attorney an office that you were working with previously were aiming for a summer trial date for all of this. and so when you look at what they are fighting, which is not related to the indictment it's related to the district attorney and you it's at the center of this is there any part of you that that believes in jeopardized the years of hard work the investigation investigations that you did the grand juries work in all of this because it's not going to happen before the election. >> so i'm very proud of the things that we were able to account militia under my leadership. we were able to investigate that case thoroughly we were able to successfully seek an indictment that speaks to the facts and the evidence biden's that came out during the course of the investigation, that they take years, spoke to a lot of people, had a lot of conversations, spoke to a lot of witnesses, saw a lot of evidence. it took years out of my life. i'm very passionate about it. i believe in the indictment. certainly i would have never done anything that's thought would jeopardize that hard work but do. i believe that my actions caused this delay? no, no, no, i do believe though that the timing of a personal relationship that i had was probably bad. it was bad timing but you don't pick and choose when those things happen. happened organically and you deal with the situation as it comes. >> do you have regrets about it? >> the only thing i regret is the timing of it well, and the timing of courses is really the crux of this well the crux of it is to slow down the inevitable which is what happens if she gets ultimately removed from this case because that's what they're going to be hearing the court of appeals. what happens to this case if fani willis is removed as the problem? secure here the case has to be reassigned to another prosecuting entity now, whether or not that entity decides to proceed i, don't know but do you think there's a chance that it would be potentially dead if no other prosecutor is ready to step up to the plate and take this case. we're talking about a threat to democracy. this case is about democracy. it's very important to, you to me as an attorney. rule of law is something that we all should take seriously i couldn't tell you whether or not there are other prosecutors that are willing and waiting and excited about accepting this task, particularly, particularly in light with the threats that i've been getting in the threats that disk attorney willis had been getting. this is a very, very dangerous role and it's not to be taken lightly. >> what happens to those who have taken guilty pleas here if fani willis is removed from this case do you believe that they're able to essentially the district attorney's office should let them withdrawal. they're guilty pleas no, ma'am. >> now understand the dynamics of these particular guilty pleas. the out of the four, there were three lawyers who accepted responsibility. that speaks volume that speaks volumes to what they proceed. the evidence to be at least as it relates to the charging document, the indictment, they are those who who might believe that the indictment is spouse or that the indictment is weak but i would say to those people, look at the actions of the at least the three skills trained lawyers who've been practicing for a long time. >> so you don't think that they should withdraw them. >> no, i don't i think it would certainly it's incumbent upon the their counsel to make those strategic decisions to attempt to withdraw. but if you're asking me the practical effect of the disqualification motion on de a. willis and the effects of them entering their plea has now if trump wins the election and the district attorney next spring when this one this does go before the court of appeals is not disqualified from that is it constitutional for a district attorney to put a sitting president on trial? if he's convicted in jail potentially so let's let's look at the question in reverse is it are you asking me if there's anyone who's above the law at any point tom and they're likely know, but i don't think it's been litigated about a sitting president. >> of course, going on trial. we have never seen that, never seen it, never expected to see it, which is wildlife the questions about experience, no one has ever done this before. no one, this is a new animal but if, if, if he wins the election, then certainly there are a lawyers out there who he charged with figuring out that issue and maneuvering around it. >> so you're not sure if he can if he can go on trial if you believe it's constitutional or not for him to actually be on if he is the sitting president. but you just talked about how important this case is. i am personally how important do you believe it is for this case to go to trial for voters to see the evidence here of what's pledged in that indictment it's very important. >> but let's back up a moment. you said that i'm not sure about the constitutionality of trying a sitting president yeah. >> do you believe he can sorry. if that wasn't clear, do you believe he can be on trial if he's in the white house? >> i do believe that he can don't i don't believe that it looks good to the rest of the world. but certainly, i don't think there's anything that would prevent that from happening what if he's convicted? i don't understand the question. if if he's convicted, then just like any other defendant who is convicted, then you go through the sentencing process. >> but i don't think people think us sitting president, what actually be sent to jail. i mean, it would create a moment like we've never seen in this country with the secret service, with who's enforcing that and of course, p would be the head of a federal branch of government so now that's a much different question we know that senate thing is totally up to the trial court judge. that's sitting there now. he's charged with making those types of decisions special prosecutors on that. >> and when you reflect on this, since you've left the da's office? >> how have you reflected on how the attention has not been on what's alleged that he did when it comes to overturning the election. >> but instead, all the focus is on you i think it's a sad state of affairs when the american public gets misled and fed information that's inaccurate and cause causes them to go down a rabbit hole that's really irrelevant. >> i mean, we should be focusing on the indictment as charge well, i think critics would hear that and say it's also about fate than the legal system and credibility and who is prosecuting such a grave cases? >> this one that's fair. it's fair to the extent that it affects the outcome of the prosecution. >> you're not worried that it hurts your credibility with people who look at this case i'm not worried about that. >> i think that the people who are looking at it or looking at it through a lens that's most favorable to whatever their position is and when you're prosecuting the former president of the united states, you know, you're gonna get a lot of scrutiny. i mean, we've seen it with every single person who has investigated he didn't him from robert muller to the district attorney in new york, to the special counsel, jack smith. i think some people would see the situation that you in fani willis or and then say, what were they thinking? >> sure. sure. >> i'll say this the moment that we realized that what we were doing could probably interfere with the work. we took a step back and decided to go a different route that's what i'll say. >> and i think that we handled it professionally we handled it with with within the confines of the law and the the court has said as much so you're saying there was a moment where the two of you stopped and realized that what you were doing would not be beneficial for the case that you are attempting to prosecute no. no, no, no, now, we know that the profundity of any response lies within the question. and that question, the premise of that question and i don't i don't agree with right. so i guess what i'm saying to you is there was a moment during our interaction where we decided to make the decision to step away from that and focus on the work solely did you ever consider stepping away from the case in this office? then when when you decided to end the relationship, but you still remained in the office on this investigation again i want to make certain that i understand did you ever consider leaving the special counsel's are leaving the district attorney's office because of the relationship that you would have with the district when you ended it, but before it became public so again again, i am very proud of the successes that i accomplished during the course of my my time with the special prosecutor with the district attorney's office, i do not believe that anything in a way of those successes you talked about how much your life has changed since all of this, not just joining this investigation, but also since your relationship with fani willis, the district attorney became public has all of that continued since you stepped aside from the case? well, what has continued are the threats they're constant threats on my life i can't possibly put into words how it feels to wake up daily and knee knee security around me or to do something as simple as go into a grocery store and have to watch every second to make certain that there's not someone attempting to do something bad to me or every time my phone rings and it's one of my children. i'm holding my breath because i'm not sure that someone hasn't decided to figure out where they are in the world and do something to them. this is i fully understand why people like the former governor of the state of georgia decided he did not want to accept this role because of not only the smart oh amount of compensation that he received, but his safety. and he said as much during the course of his testimony, it is it is just not safe because of the dark process. so certain people you were recently seen at the election night party for the district attorney here in atlanta. what made you go to that? >> oh, wow. that's you know, that's a show of support. the district attorney and i are friends. we are closed friends. great friends will be friends for a long time to come but again, you know? that appearing at an election, successful election bid celebration four close friend, i don't think there's anything odd about that i think that people made a big to do about it, i guess, because it was me who decided to show up. but i will say i will say this again. i'm very proud of the work that i accomplished as special prosecutor with that office. i'm very proud of our continued friendship professionally. i am i can't stress enough how important a case like this is to american democracy and that, that day of reckoning will, will come where he would have to face or the 19th defendants will have to charge an indictment, will have to face a jury. here in fulton county. >> what is your current relationship with the district attorney and you'll hear that answer right after a quick break with more of our one-on-one with nathan wade including the moment when a member of his team paused our interview hey mom how 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district attorney? just as outlined earlier, we are great friends. we speak regularly the conversation has changed though whereas before we're our conversations were about this case, you get i'm sure you can imagine it. appreciate the amount of time that it takes that, you know, you have to pour into a case trying to a case of this magnitude, trying to prosecute those defendants. but our conversations has shifted to how are you how are you? handling the threats that are coming your way? are you being safe and democracy? >> the case will live on kind of thing just to clarify, when did the romantic relationship between the two of you start? >> yeah so we get into there has been this effort to say that. okay. these these exact dates are our at issue in these exact dates are i'm getting i'm getting signaled here like your second? yes. okay he brought it wrong yeah. good everything. >> okay just to revisit the question, it was to clarify when the wrote romantic relationships started and when it ended tool. so i believe that the public has through through the testimony and other interviews, the public has a a clear snapshot that this is clearly just a distraction it is not a relevant issue in this case. and i think that we should be focusing on more of the facts and the indictment in the case. >> well, ask because obviously this is still a pending matter. it's going to be before the court of appeals and you talked about how proud you are of all the work that you did in this office and i think the question that people have when they hear from the court of appeals this isn't happening until next spring. is did the relationship jeopardize that work that you did? and this investigation in there in lies the issue why we wouldn't touch upon the work of the court of appeals for some high court because it's appending issue before them. i think that we should allow them take a step back and allow them to take the evidence that they have and do their work, make the decision, right. >> but you did testify to this and you were asked about on the stand about when it started and when it ended it just wasn't completely clear because before it said before the indictment, which is august 15, here in atlanta and then later, the answer was at the end of that year and so i think that was the clarity that people were seeking of when it started and when it ended. sure. >> and they're again, there's a question before the court and that is the crux of the question i don't choose to say or do anything that would jeopardize the case or the court's ruling. i prefer to allow them to make their decision based upon what they had and and except do you believe as you reflect on this, that your relationship with the district attorney was a mistake? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. >> what i believe is this whole conversation is a distraction that's all. >> it's a tool to stop the train, to slow down the inevitable, which is the trial of the defendant's name in the election interference case. >> do you believe the trial ultimately happens absolutely absolutely. >> it happens. >> mr. wade. thank you for your time today. >> thank you for having me. thank you. >> well a lot to unpack there. >> this will be fine some thoughts. >> okay. what are those thoughts? we're going to take a quick break. we'll get back. i've an all-star team here, legal minds to break down what you've just watched there after a quick break the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage two very different visions for america's future. the cnn, thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max lumina is the first fluoride free toothpaste i've ever found that actually works. my dentist was blown away with how clean and why my teeth, my gums and teeth are so healthy, it's crazy. you can get luminoso, toothpaste at walmart and target can the riva support your brain health? married janet, hey, edey 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cnn you just heard that moment where the former top prosecutor on donald trump's election case in georgia was dancing were on the question about when his relationship, the romantic ones started with the district attorney, fani willis, and when it ended as a member of his team, intervene when i was asking him specifically about the timeline that is at the heart of all of this. >> it's worth noting the judge who is overseeing this case believed that there were quote, reasonable questions about whether willis and wade had testified on truthfully about the timing of their relationship here tonight, cnn senior legal analyst and former assistant us attorney elie honig, also cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson, retired new york state supreme court justice joe kohn visor, and cnn's political commentator and the host, a battleground on fox stations, s. e. cupp elie, i mean, let me just what was your reaction to that moment? >> well, first of all, wow, second while you probably showed a better prosecutor, if you had a chance to go back, what we just saw is a fundamental refusal to take any personal accountability because let's face it, this case is in a ditch, right now. and the reason is because of nathan wade and fani willis is conduct that you asked him several times? do you take any responsibility? do you feel it all personally accountable for what's happened in this case? and he said, no, i don't he's very much he's a victim everyone's out to get him. everything's unfair and here we are. this case is in deep trouble and certainly not getting tried before the election. >> well, and obviously, judge, this is important because it is the timeline of this that is going to be a question that is raised when and if this goes before the court of appeals in georgia, that's right. >> the timeline is very important and looking at that, i have a slightly different take, which is i think that both fani willis and wade exhibited incredibly poor judgment in this case at best, but at the other end of the spectrum is it doesn't and shouldn't necessarily fact the merits of what's alleged in this case without some connection that somehow the money that she put in her pocket made her bring this case or something along those lines, the cover up is always worse than the crime. so why don't they just say we don't to a romantic relationship. this was when we're sorry, and now we've got to do deal with this motion. we're gonna fight it and we're going to prevail at the end of the day. i can be fair. i made a mistake. let's move on. yeah. and obviously joey, i mean, a lot of this has worked to the defense. mean they've been making this argument at first surface back in january, and now we're seeing how it played out. >> i think as well as he handled that great interview by the way, i think there's the general frustration and the frustration is to the judge's point. we have an indictment and indictment is an accusation. what judges do when they evaluate indictments is they look for legal sufficiency of the evidence that you put before the grand jury. was it relevant to the facts charge was the information and the other factual allegations supporting what you alleged happen and was there anything in improper inappropriate that happened in the grand jury, if not the grand jury indicted, we move forward. i think the general frustration is and why he's saying it's a distraction is what down rabbit holes. and i think the essence is who cares when i was with her, when i was not what i was doing when i wasn't where where we were, what we did, how many places we went to talk to me about the specific nature of the merits of the case. and if you can attack the nature of the indictment, how we indicted him, whether there was a quorum that voted to indict and leave me alone. and so i think as well as he handled it as professional as he attempted to be. i think that his problem speak about the case, not about what i'm doing personally. yeah. and he acknowledged at one point we were speaking about prosecutors are held to a high standard from because they have such power with them. and as they, i just wonder politically or just as a human, what you thought of legal expert at the table. >> sure. i can weigh in on the non-legal stuff. i just think the expectation of a suspension of disbelief is great. by nathan wade asking us to kind of ignore some of the facts not hold him at all accountable while he's defiant and saying, while on one hand, this is the most important case we've ever done and worked on, and i'm really proud of it and it's so consequential and democracy is hanging on it, but also my actions weren't all that bad and my conflicts here aren't really going to jeopardize it. and the fact that it's in a standstill has nothing to do with me. it's just a distraction. again, as a non legal expert, just as a lay person that does not ring true to me. and i think to triangulate what everyone's saying here is if they had just come out and said yes, we had a relationship, it probably wasn't an appropriate we regret it. we regret that it conflicted this case and will step aside and let you all get on with this business. i think then it would have been better for the integrity of the case that there's one issue that's a problem to me and that is that you always look at as a defense attorney i already had it impair my clients. right. and so whether you were sleeping with this one on that day, the other day, what specifically did it do from an evidentiary point of view that impaired their constitutional ability to have a fair trial. and if you give me that issue, then i'll say, hey, you got it. but if you don't bring that to me, then i'm saying like who cares if i can give a quick answer to that you're right. the allegations about the fair have nothing to do with the conduct alleged against donald trump and the other is in the indictment, but prosecutors have staggering power. prosecutors, the only people in this country more than the president prosecutors can take a person's liberty way. it's a scary thing to give people that profit, that power. and if you don't exercise at the top of the ethics than you are in danger in your own case whether or not as anything to do with allegations are endangering your own case? >> yeah, everybody stick around. judge. i want to get your thought. we've got to take a quick break, but we clearly have a lot to discuss about what you just heard. nathan wade say also there at the big getting that he thinks donald trump could still we put on trial even if he wednesday, november election and his back in the white house. he also believes he can be punished if he is convicted in that case, we'll get the judges take on that and everyone else and a quick moment this election season, stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground and the best political team in the business follow the voters follow the results, follow the facts follow. >> cnn the ups store 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i talked to nathan wade, the former special prosecutor in georgia about what he believes happens with that case. if donald trump is re-elected do you believe he can be on trial if he's in the white house? >> i do believe that he can don't i don't believe that looks good to the rest of the world. but certainly, i don't think there's anything that would prevent that from happening what if he's convicted? i don't understand the question. if if he's convicted them, just like any other defendant who is convicted, then you go through the sentencing process i legal sources still here with me, judge, what do you make of that because there are people who disagree with that. i mean, that is certainly his view and he was very adamant that he does believe it can happen. but are you skeptical that a sitting president could be prosecuted by a fulton county district attorney while he's in the white house skeptical? >> yes. most certainly. i don't think that's the case. i look, this is unprecedented. we've never been in this situation. there's nothing in the georgia state constitution or the federal constitution that speaks directly to this. >> but i have a concern about separation of powers. you have someone who is an executive being manhandled if you would, by another branch of government at that time, i think that the role of the president the amount of importance that roll in and of itself carries cannot, we cannot have a trial at the same time dealing with you just you just can't in fact, that in 1973 after nixon, there was a white paper written about whether or not that could be done and the answer was no in october of 2000 when bill clinton was still president they reiterated that that was after the pot paula jones issue that would just be too disruptive to the process of democracy to try a president. and i think that's probably where we'd be in this particular case in donald trump knows that, right? i mean, i think running for president was at least in the beginning this other time around act as a shield against a lot of these legal issues because he knew there would be delays if he's running for president concurrently, people would be very careful about that part of it. >> and if you became president that this exact thing would become a constitutional crisis and he probably wouldn't have to do any of the things that he's convicted serve any time, go to jail, be accountable. well, let me get this out of the tables. take because what we mentioned at the top of the hour is fani willis is asking this georgia appeals court to dismiss this motion seeking she says there's not sufficient evidence. is there does that likely what's the with that? >> so just a few hours ago, the de filed a motion asking the court of appeals not to hear the very case that they just say they will here. so maybe she can talk them out of it. i wouldn't bet on it. i mean, essentially, the argument that da makes in the motion is well, the judge below got it right? judge below said, i'm credible. not exactly. the judge said they were, quote, reasonable questions about whether both nathan wade and fani willis testified untruthful. the court of appeals is going to hear this case to this notion that nathan wade floated, that he thinks is sitting president, it could be tried. that is a fever dream that is never happening on this planet in this universe, you are not going to have the sitting president, the commander in chief, charged with executing are foreign and domestic policy. on trial for weeks in a courtroom and potentially locked up it does the public know good to put that fantasy out there? yeah. and also kaitlan, i mean back to 1973, right. where you had the office of legal counsel with department of justice. they basically said that the president, if you can't be indicted, you certainly can't be prosecuted. and the essence of it is that it incapacitates the office. and so to have a president who has so much responsibility with respect to domestic and foreign affairs to now be sitting in a courtroom. this is a rico case. it'll take weeks, if not months, to try. it's just not going to occur he wins the presidency. it would have to be deferred until after would be my view or vice president doug burgum becomes president. >> you never know, but that's also why the timing here, as he said, the timing was the only thing he regrets. that's why that's so important thank you all for being part of my personal watch party tonight. elie honig, joey jackson, s. e. cupp, judge joe kohn, vice are great to have you all also tonight, as you note at the white house, they're not ruling out the possibility of president biden commuting his son sentence after hunter biden was convicted yesterday in a delaware court, a democratic governor and a biden ally and endorser is going to join me next. >> your best defense against erosion and cavities is strong enamel nothing beats it. i recommend pro enamel active shields because it actively shields the enamel to defend 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fields decimated a bridge that was iconic in baltimore, leaving tens of thousands of tons of steel inside the water. and were thousands of people lost their jobs instantaneously. and i remember going in front of the people of my state that morning and saying at this point, i have more there are more questions than answers. but we're going to work together and we're gonna get through it. and today was a major milestone after such a tragic and traumatic event, one of the most traumatic events in our in our state's history, where we were told that this could take almost up to a year to be able just to clear the federal channel. and instead of taking 11 months, we got it done in 11 weeks. because we've worked together and because we worked in close coordination with the biden administration. and so we know that the process is not over while we were able to successfully recover the bodies of the six individually, we lost and return them to their families to give some form of closure while 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