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Support more victories for veterans go to dab. Org im Elizabeth Wagmeister in los angeles. In this is cnn its monday, may 13, right now on cnn this morning in just a few hours, the man who wants describe it itself as trumps thug, expected to take the stand ahead, how Michael Cohen could make or break the former president s hush money case. A shakeup but the highest levels of russias military. Vladimir putin choosing a civilian as whos new Defense Minister and both republicans and democrats in congress pushing back on cousin biden for threatening to withhold some Weapons Shipments to israel all right, by the young here in washington, live, look at capitol hill on this Monday Morning. Good morning, everyone. Happy a wonderful mother theres day weekend and kasie hunt, its wonderful to have you with us in just a few hours. The star witness in Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial will take the stand. Former Trump Attorney and fixer, Michael Cohen. You may recall, cohen once said he would take a bullet for donald trump. Now prosecutors are hoping his testimony will close the circle for the jury by directly connecting trump to 130,000 Hush Money Payment to Stormy Daniels how trump reimbursed cohen for that payment at the heart of the trial, joining me now, the hill reporter, juliet manchester, julia. Good morning to you, mr. Being here, are the day weve all been waiting for in this trial here with Michael Cohen lets kind of walk through. I mean, he is a central figure in this case. He was a central figure in the trump orbit and he really has been all over the place in terms of how hes talked about trump, how hes told the truth or not. What do you expect today . And what is the prosecution need to do out of the gate here to try to shore up his credibility. Yeah. Well, at that point about him being all over the place being a big supporter of donald trump than flipping on donald trump and going back and forth this general notion of Michael Cohen Being Untrustworthy is something thats going to make it easy for the defense really to pounce on and to show the jury that this is not a reliable, credible oh, person for the prosecution to be using as a witness. So essentially, what the prosecution needs to do is paint Michael Cohen as someone who is credible, who is telling the truth when it comes to this Hush Money Payment, who is not necessarily out for himself, but pointing out exactly what he says happened during this payment that allegedly took place in the runup to the election so here was Michael Cohen talking on thursday about testifying, and again, he was admonished on fridays but day after this came out, the judge basically told the prosecution, hey make Michael Cohen stop talking here. Its causing some problems, but heres, heres what he had to say before that happened. Kinda looking forward to it because again cant be finished with something unless you started. Right . Its kinda like an entrepreneurial mindset. You can be in, in, unless you willing to get in it. And so there we go. Sooner or this thing starts the sooner this thing finishes. And that way i can at this too shall pass this too shall pass. Yeah yeah. Sort of interesting acknowledgment there actually, that actually this has been a significant theres a lot of pressure on them absolutely. Absolutely. I think its ironic that the judge is telling Michael Cohen to stop publicly talking about the case when he said the same thing, two former President Trump. And i think just goes to show you how much, i guess weakness there could be and the Prosecution Calling Michael Cohen, how much there is for them at stake. You know, its interesting talking to legal, it also political experts, they will point out that out of all of trumps legal cases, this is the weakest one and a lot of it has to do with Michael Cohen. Yeah. And this picture thats on the screen here too. I mean, this is one of the reasons why he was told to stop talking. I mean, its obviously hes not speaking about it, but it seems to show a figure of donald trump handcuffed right behind bars. This was something that he wore in one of his recent tiktok videos. Julia, you talked to political sources here in washington all the time to um, would you describe as sort of the State Of Play in terms of how republicans especially are looking at whats been on folding in this trial and how they feel it will or wont impact whether its their own elections or the president ial election. Look, republicans 0. 2, number one, the fact that polls show that most motors are not necessarily paying attention to this the same way. Those of us in washington are most voters go to the polls are going to be thinking about the economy want to meet crime abortion, Healthcare Situation at the southern border of those Kitchen Table issues. But at the same time, this is still something that is very front and center for the Trump Campaign and still a top story in the United States. So for voters, voters going forward, i think republicans are obviously looking, looking at the outer come up this, whether he is convicted or not. But once again, pointing to the fact that most legal experts say this is the weakest case and the only case thats guaranteed to finish before the november for election. Well, and trump, of course, was back out on the Campaign Trail this weekend is the first time wed seen him in a a little stretch of time considering were less than six months out from the november election, and he was focused on talking about the case. Heres what he had to say about the de watch it out by radical democrats, District Attorney you know is fat often corrupt guy and then we have a highly conflicted judge. Hes corrupted highly conflicted. So conflicted this never been a judge this work inflicted. Was trumping wild would new jersey for those of us who grew up along the east coast that are familiar with the jersey shore. So right. Look, hes attacking, theyre the only people hes allowed how to attack, right . Hes not allowed to attack the witnesses, et cetera. Its kind of trumps ml, but i also think it underscores how you know, focus he is right now on this as opposed to campaigning. Well, its interesting because like i said, how republicans say, or this trial hello, is in the top priority for voters. Well, i think republicans are also trying to tell that to former President Trump that when he goes to campaign, he cant only focus on throwing rocks id meet to his base by talking about this trial, he needs to talk about the economy et cetera. And he has a little bit even outside of the courthouse, but instead, its grabbing headline to a voters are going to see when they hear trump on the Campaign Trail, is this Julia Manchester for us, kick himself this morning. Thank you. Change your shade. It all right. Coming up next here. A lot of putins latest move in the war with ukraine, putting a civilian in charge of Russias Armed forces plus Donald Trumps big teams. Could doug burgum being his running mate, and a pilot with a big problem, the wheels would not go down. Well show you what happened next he was trumps former lawyer and fixer. Now, Michael Cohen is expected to testify against his old boss, will be here. Any new bombshells from this . 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And this cnn welcome back, Vladimir Putin has tapped a civilian as russias new minister of defense, more than two years into the countrys fullscale war on ukraine putins choice is the former head of russias ministry of Economic Development measure just a few wouldnt him up fully boy today on the battlefield, those who are more open for innovations, more open towards a quick implementation of the innovations win that is why its natural that on the current stage, the president has taken a decision for a civilian to be in charge of the Ministry Of Defense i turned me now is cnns max foster max. Good morning. Always wonderful to have you. So whats the backstory here and why is this a big deal . Well, acie pc is just won an election is theres a tradition that the whole cabinet would resign after that, and then they get reassigned. Given their positions back and then weve had this really highprofile role change. So were trying to read into what we can about putins future strategy. But hes putting in economist in. There. Which does suggest that bedding in almost into this process of conflict, which probably make clear theres a chief of the Defence Staff whos the opera top soldier if you like, in the russian military, reports directly to pluton already. So hes across the operational sayyed, the Defense Minister you could probably argue is more of an administrative role. And if were going into a long period of war in russia than perhaps in economist is best placed to map that out and make best use of the money so max what is your sense of what happens to the outgoing Defense Chief here . And to your other point, i mean, is this just indicative of them like having to settle into pay for something that is going to be a major line item for them into the future. I think so. Shoigu is getting into a security role. So hes going into the office part of the administration. If you like. So he hasnt been cast out in any way. This is a this is a shift but it will be interesting to see how this economists changes the battle plans in ukraine because inevitably youll be in charge of the money and the military will have to deal with that. I think currently, if you look at Defense Spending in russia, its comparable to what it was during the cold war so its high and theyve got to find a way of dealing with it. And theyve got to look into the long term to find out how best to handle that at the moment, theyre spending a huge amount of money on the battlefield because theyre making gains and they want to make those gains before those american weapons arrived, right . What thats what i was going to ask you to maxmin as youve spoken with european officials and i know last week we were here talking about what putin and xi, were both doing on The World Stage obviously, theyre the money finally got out the door here in the from congress to try and help ukraine on the front lines. Is that being felt yet . And what is the kind of overall atmosphere in terms of thinking about this right now . What all we can go, obviously, decide to give me Us Operational details. But when you look at whats happening on the front lines, russia is making gains, so isnt working yet it does take a long time for a lot of this a to get over there, of course, as a complicated process where its got into the country, then its got to get to the front lines, but they may have received some stuff already, hasnt made a huge impact yet. And then we need to see whether or not its the appropriate equipment as well, because russia may decide to change tactics in which case you need a different set of kit. But certainly it hasnt all arrived there yet, and they need as soon because youve been is not holding those lines that moment for sure. All right. Max foster for us, live in london. Max, thank you very much. I really appreciate it. All right. 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This is what were seeing current radar very busy and ive, im concerned about this line of storms right now, moving through south eastern section chins of mississippi, you see how its starting to kind of make a bow like structure were going to watch for that to kind of continue to bow out. So we call this a potential duration you, which is a straightline wind event, hasnt quite efficiently reach that status just yet. But one things for sure its creating a severe thunderstorms and as it propagates eastward, could impact places like Southern Alabama and into the Florida Panhandle. So this is the area that was struck by two or three tornadoes across other Greater Tallahassee region on friday, you can see the Storm Prediction Center has enhanced the risk, increase the risk to enhance, i should say, from the Florida Panhandle right through louisiana and the central sections of texas. In fact, we have a 5 risk of tornadoes today, new orleans like charles mobile, and tallahassee. Greatest risks though for hail really extends across southeastern sections of texas, san antonio houston, where you see that hatched shading and this isnt the only round of severe storms will get another round tomorrow and into the de on wednesday. So with this multiple round what, whether unsettled conditions, we have Flood Watches in effect for this particular location, three to six inches of rain. Not good news. This is already very saturated areas, so the localized flooding possible. Were gonna look off for that potential at least across the gulf coast states weather Prediction Center has what is called a moderate risk of excessive rainfall that could lead to flash flooding. So were gonna keep an eye out of the sky and an eye on the roads for this potential of flooding and severe weather. Once again today and this week, casey. All right. Derek van dam for us, derrick, thank you very much for that. 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But today hes the prosecutions star witness and they hope hell directly tie trump to the 130,000 Hush Money Payment was made to Stormy Daniels cohens credibility will of course, be in the spotlight as trumps lawyers aim to discredit the nowdisbarred attorney who wants pleaded guilty to lying to congress and to a bank joining me now, former federal prosecutor and criminal Defense Attorney katie szarkowski. Katie, good morning to you warning. So lets talk about what were going to hear today from Michael Cohen were also learning that the prosecution is likely to rest this week, which means cohen is basically the last major witness that the jury is going to hear from here. Are you surprised at how oh, they approach this from that perspective that he is considering his credibility issues. One of the last people, the jurors are going to be left with why, do you think it is surprising, but not only that before the trial had started, both Michael Cohen and alvin bragg had suggested that Michael Cohens testimony was not going to be the linchpin of this case and that there was going to be other witnesses to directly tied donald trump to some alleged criminal scheme, but thus far, we have not heard that. So it does seem that it will come down to Michael Cohen attempting to directly tie donald trump to something criminal, which is what the prosecution must prove. And certainly its going to be difficult because he does have a significant amount of credibility issues that needs to be corroborated by other evidences or other witnesses so you dont see some of what weve seen so far as laying out all of these connections because we have seen some instances of these previous witnesses testifying to the lawyer, davidson for example, in talking about how he dealt with cohen, i mean, there do seem to be a couple of examples where they i can i mean, just to kind of drill down on the point youre making youre saying you dont feel as though theyve shown in other instances that trump himself knew about this stuff its not, that donald trump didnt know about the payments and the payback. Its the Criminality Aspect that i think is lacking at the end of the day, the prosecution needs to prove that the entries into the Business Records were false entries, and essentially that would require them to show that annotating i think as a Legal Expense was not in fact, a Legal Expense. So im wondering what a theory is my best guess is that because Michael Cohen ultimately took a plea deal to something involving payback as a Campaign Finance violation. That is the theory. But ultimately it may be that Michael Cohen took a deal to something that may not have been criminal itself. So i see the ties to donald trump in terms of making the agreement, but not in terms of the elements of the offenses that are charged thus far. And that is something that the prosecution needs to close the loop on through call it or somebody else so as a former Defense Attorney, i mean what what in your view are trumps lawyers going to be doing looking for as cohen initially takes the stand, obviously eventually theyll get a chance to crossexamine him. We may or may not i think its probably unlikely were going to see that today. But they also will have potential opportunities to object. For example, to his testimony, the judge has honestly suggested that at some at some point they werent aggressive enough in their objections during earlier testimony, particularly around Stormy Daniels. And as this started lets to unfold. What would you be watching for . Where you trumps attorney sure. Well, the prosecutors are going to draw out much of Michael Cohens credibility issues with all of his convictions. And of course, maybe even some of his motives to have a bias against donald trump. Hes been very expressive about his own hatred towards donald trump at this zero point and his desire to see him convicted. So the prosecution might draw a lot of that out. I would expect on cross that the defense is going to nail in a lot more detail about his history with credibility issues. And of course, his own direct bias against the defendant in the case. That being said, the jury is the one who makes the decision about how much weight they give to any particular persons testimony. It is difficult when you have somebody that has a prior conviction for lying. In specifically in any case, the credibility of a witness is going to be very difficult to overcome Something Like that without external corroboration of everything thats theyre saying. And then ultimately, like i said, regardless of what Michael Cohen says, the prosecution needs to hone in on the actual elements of the offenses and im not really clear how Michael Cohen is going to be able to explain why the annotation of the payments as a Legal Expense was improper. Perhaps the prosecution needs to throw up an accounting the expert or Something Like that to suggest that that is not a proper designation because the minimum, the Misdemeanor Offense requires proof of that as a false entry, and i havent seen that. I dont know how cohen would do that, but that would be what i would want to see from the prosecution side. Interesting. Okay. So lets just kind of remind everyone this break between cohen and trump occurs sharply after the fbi raids. Cohens offices, right that was before. Cohen had to say about trump in 2019 when he had this point realized his former boss to totally turned on him and so he in turn turned on trump watch what cohen said back in February Of 2019 so picture this scene in February Of 2017 month into his presidency im visiting President Trump in the oval office for the first time. And its truly inspiring, is showing me all around and pointing to different paintings and he says to me something to the effect of dont worry, michael, youre january and february reimbursement checks are coming they were fedexed from new york and it takes a while for that to get through the white house system as he promised, i received the first check for the reimbursement of 70,000 not long thereafter. Okay so that was actually cohen talking about the details of this in his testimony in 2019 before congress. Now we should of course, know that cohen didnt seem to have any trouble saying false things to congress. So ill take that for what its, what its worth but how do you think that previews what were going to hear from cohen today well, i think that that part is accurate. What i do think that cohen will display is that hes very burned by donald trump. He did everything for him in his mind and he got left out of coming to washington, which was here which deal for him. So certainly he has a significant vendetta against the former president by his own admission, something that will cut against his credibility. Of course. And then again, with regard part to the payments, obviously, its been established that the payment was made and that Michael Cohen was ultimately reimbursed, but why that was criminal is really where that loop hes to be closed if they want to establish that theyve presented proof of all of these elements at this point. All right, can you its your cascade for us this morning, katie. Thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it all right to politics now, republicans and democrats pushing back against President Bidens Weapons Ultimatum to Benjamin Netanyahu last week, biden told cnns erin burnett that if the israeli Prime Minister orders a fullscale operation into rafah, then the us will withhold some weapons more than two dozen House Democrats told biden in a letter over the weekend, theyre concerned about the message it sends to hamas ill send a and theres a lot of criticism from republicans as well this is the worst decision in the history of the us, is relationship to deny weapons at a time, the jewish state could be destroyed biden did get some backup from senator chris murphy. Watch President Biden is learning the mistakes of us Military Campaigns in iraq and afghanistan. What we learned in both of those efforts was that you cannot defeat a terrorist ideology. You i cannot defeat a terrorist movement with Military Force alone all right, joining me to discuss washington correspondent for the atlanta general constitution, tea mitchell tea. Good morning. Thanks for being here so some of the relative tivoli predictable certainly what Lindsey Graham had to say another republicans. But there are significant divisions among democrats over this. Murphy, chris murphy, theyre giving biden a little bit of backup, but youve seen moderate democrats, especially in the senate jon tester, being a little bit more critical of what biden did here, whats whats going on behind the scenes, and how is the white house dealing with it . So i think there are a lot going on behind the scenes. Number one, just from the mechanics of war, the mechanics of conflict, the bigger the bomb, the less precise its going to be. And so when youre talking about how to eradicate hamas the weapons of war means that oftentimes there are civilian casualties, and thats what this is about and biden is trying to a lot of people are concerned about that and trying to reduce it. But politically, what is happening is now democrats are saying this concern about civilian casualties can be interpreted. It interpreted as going soft on the war against him boss the war against terrorism. Theyre worried about the political vulnerabilities that worried about being perceived as no longer being true allies of israel in how that could affect support among jewish voters, how that could affect support amongst some Key Democratic Party allies. So these are really complicated issues but i think the fact that this is an election year, a lot of people are on the ballot. The fact that this is a vulnerability for President Biden has a lot of democrats scared and trying to stick out a position to make sure as it affects them, it doesnt affect as it affects biden, it doesnt effect the party pretty as a whole the line that murphy was talking about there where whos talking about Lessons Learned from iraq and afghanistan and the american war on terror. This was something that they had gone in there at the very beginning when when when israel was first deciding how to respond in the wake of the october 7 attacks, the president , add one point, traveled to israel. The message then was if you try to go into gaza and hold it the way americans did in iraq and afghanistan you may find yourself in a place you didnt end up wanting to be that counterinsurgency theyre very, very hard. They dont necessarily work. And there did seem to be a point at which the Israeli Government was listening to them, but that seems to have evolved and there is now this added tension in the bidennetanyahu relationship he doesnt seem to be at this Point Listening to i mean, the headlines on the papers this morning or about an escalated offensive in rafah. And how does that relationship between bidennetanyahu play into this . Well, a lot because at the end of the day the Biden Administration can cajole the Netanyahu Administration suggest try to come up with diplomatic ways to bring this to an end. But the Biden Administration cannot control netanyahu. And so hes Making Decisions that a lot of people think are problematic. And i think a lot of people on both sides look at the bloodshed in gaza and are concerned. But we, we cant control netanyahu. Hes going to still do what he wants to do and i think thats very frustrating because again, its creating a very hard situation in america where there are a lot of regular people, voters who are concerned earned about the humanitarian crisis. But just in some of those same voters are also concerned about not looking like were going soft on terrorism, not looking like were going that were turning away from our ally israel. So its a really tough situation when ultimately the us does not control what israel does in gaza all right. Tim mitchell for us this morning. Tea, thank you very much. I really appreciate it all right. Just a head here. Donald trump praising a Serial Killer from the movies im going to tell you what he said about Hannibal Lecter plus a stunning defeat for tennis star Novak Djokovic will take you inside back heres to Getting Better with age heres the beaten these two every thursday helped fuel today with Boost Type Protein complete neutral fishing. 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So youre foot slides into place handsfree sketch your slippers theyre emptying out their mental institutions into the United States Silence Of The Lamb has anyone ever sit in silence of them . The late great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man. He oftentimes would have a friend for dinner remember the last seen excuse me. Im about to have a friend for dinners is for dr. Im about to have a friend for dinner, but Hannibal Lecter congratulations the late great Hannibal Lecter the late great Hannibal Lecter, a wonderful man that was donald trump back Campaign Trail saying that for some reason. Meanwhile, President Biden was at a private fundraiser in seattle over the weekend where he called out trump. This is what he said, quote, something snapped in him. Hes not only obsessed with losing in 2020, he is clearly unhinged and joining us now a cnn political commentator, republican strategist, scott jennings. Scott is elector, wonderful man. Well the sounds of the land. Ive seen it great movie. Its made movie, donald trump movie buff, looked at the main, the main news out of the trump rally this weekend to me, was the size of it . He saw the pictures, but lord, have mercy. They were claiming tens of thousands. Im not sure exactly what cnns official count as well. Well figure that out in the meantime, but yes, the jersey shore popular place. Yeah. It was it was it was quite it was quite a rally and still shows that he has the ability to draw and i guess. I guess thats one of the benefits of not having so many events when you have fewer, more people, more people want to come. But it was a pretty big, pretty big crowd. Sure. Its a blue state. I will say, yeah well, hey, theres a lot, theres a lot of blue states out there that are unhappy with joe biden. I dont know that new jerseys on the board, theres a few okay lets lets talk about kind of whats going on with trump as well over the weekend in terms of his Vice President ial picks, because this has been kind of in the water he took doug burgum came to this rally with him . Yeah. I north Dakota North Dakota governor, i clearly seems to have gotten to the top of the list there but. Nikki haley also was floated for a handful of minutes until then there was a truth social post that went up over the weekend where they quickly shut that down, said that she is not in consideration what is your sense of where that stands right now and who do you think trump should be looking at . A lot of buzz around governor burgum. I dont think anybodys really played their cards better than burgum since the primary, hes gone to these rallies. Hes been a faithful endorser of President Trump. Hes a really rich guy with an ability to raise money and help the ticket in that way. No drama, not going to overshadow the top of the ticket. Hes also not turned his Dakota To Pet Cemetery the way his friend from the south has, which is always a bonus when youre not making news for things of that nature. So no bargain, burgum is terrible. So sad, i still worse. Rip cricket, a burnhams rising but theres also other great choices. This is one of the areas that campaign where i think trump has an embarrassment of riches. Tim scott, to me, still makes a ton of sense. Marco rubio, the Voter Registration issue notwithstanding for two floridians, i think would be great. Vances great. I mean, theres a lot of defensible and politically good choices here, but everybody is talking about burgum right now. And i know hes out doing some media and making the rounds and wages cards at the end of the day. I mean, the money factor piece of this. I mean, its clear that they as trumps legal travails. I mean, weve focused on all these salacious details have been coming out of the trial, but the bottom line is a lot of costs associated with that and it does seem the conversations that i have, its clear that being able to bring money to the table is something thats very important to them. Absolutely in there behind joe biden on this. And ive often wondered if trumps meant zero or he spent 1 billion on advertising when it really make a difference. But ill tell you where well in this campaign, he does better with mid low Propensity Voters, people who are not reliable and also he leads among Unregistered Americans by a wide margin. If you look at some of the polling to get those people into the game, you got to register them. You got to contact them, you got to turn them out. This is an expensive infrastructure needed to do this turnout game of low and no Propensity Voters so does Money Matters say for tv ads, im dubious. Does it matter for ground game . Yes. Yeah, for sure so i was i was just chatting with you about this in the break the wall street journals editorial page, which a longtime kind of Classic Reagan Conservative Bastion of thought. They have a shortlist that they suggest step for trump that does, i think burgum is they mention on haley is on it, but of course they shut that down quickly. They also float kim reynolds the governor of iowa. I just i was surprised that they would bet that on the list. And it does seem like theyre sort of disconnected from what mega its looking for right now might make sense for them it doesnt make sense for trump in this particular case, on haley, i was texting with a friend. She loves haley. Shes never trump or and when the news came out yesterday, i said, look at this and she said this is great. He needs her voters. And i said, so hell vote for trump. And she said, never and here in lies the problem with that kind of a ticket there are lots of voters who supported haley and who may be supported others that just arent going to do trump. Maybe they even do them in 2020. What trump needs is someone loyal to him that can bring things to the table that arent going to cause a lot of problems or drama daily for the ticket thats my burgum. Tim scott mean these kinds of people are not going to be ancillary distractions. Theyre going to be loyal surrogates who help you with things. Bergen may help you with fundraising. Tim scott may help with africanamerican men if thats something youre looking four, but you also have to remember this is all marginal. People arent voting for Vice President. They vote for the top of the ticket. So you could not and should not expect these people to make wholesale difference in your standing with the public look when you choose them. Yeah. How are you looking at and thinking about the haley voters mean theyre clearly still sticking with her and shes been out of the race and we saw it in indiana. We saw it obviously indiana is not really on the map in the general, but pennsylvania do those people make it impossible for trump to win at the end of the day. Not impossible, but i think you have to look at it through the lens of what the parties are trading. Trump is trading out some of these College Educated suburban voters that went with haley, but hes also bringing in Working Class voters, noncollege of all races all over the country that have traditionally for most of my career have been democrats. Thats the great algebra of this thing. Are your trading out the traditional suburban republicans bringing in some of the, what used to think of as Working Class democrats. Is there enough of one to replace the other . I think a lot of haleys voters didnt vote for trump in 20, they may not have voted for him. And 16, i think trying to beat your head against the wall if youre him and get them back is difficult, but there is room to run with some of these people who are really say theyre hurting and the biden economy. Well, i mean, i get a lot of those Working Class maybe former democrats, maybe still someday democrats were probably on the boardwalk in new jersey all right. Well, yeah, its kinda what were seeing. Scott. Thank you very much. I really appreciate its got genics force this morning all right. Time now for sports, the defending nba Champion Duck Nuggets bounce back get to tie up their series against the timberwolves. And scholz has this mornings which report, andy. Good morning. Good morning. Case. I never really understood why so many people were counting out the nuggets after they lost first two games through the timberwolves is like everyone forgot that now threetime mvp nikola jokic, is the best player in the world and the nuggets, they opened up an ice leave the Second Quarter of game for yogev running the floor here at the rows, it down, he would have 35 points in this one, then check out this sequence to in the half nuggets get the steel Michael Porter junior gets the slam was just 1. 6 seconds left the twolves in, just throw it right to jamal murray and he hits this shot from Beyond Halfcourt at the buzzer nuggets just go wild. Denver relieves the higher second half of this one to win one 15 to 107, even the series, a two games. A piece numbers about some pretty right . Oh, thats how you would but thing the next from the star, they let by 20 after the First Quarter and they were up by as many as 43. This was never a game pacers would win 1201 to at night, even that series, a twogame we expect them to go a big punch on and again five, but were capable of doing that doing. So we just did derbin one or two at home. Now we got to go there and get in the garden. I mean, we can talk about fresher, ladies and give us all the deputy that we want. Yeah. Were shorthanded. But that doesnt matter. And now we have what we have and the knew before with two, theres no were shorthanded. There is no excuse. Theres no excuse whatsoever despite not being in the playoffs hawks had a great weekend they won the nba draft lottery, atlanta had just a 3 janta, the first pick, the fifth lowest odds ever for a team to win it. The rockets also did well. They, the nets pick would ended up jumping all the way to number for three in the draft. Heres your order. Another gruff lottery for the pistons. They had the worst record in the league for a second straight year. But again, fell all the way to the fifth foreign. Finally, while Novak Djokovic was signing autographs and rome on friday after a when a fan of water bottle accidentally fell out of their backpack and staffed novak right on the head well, the world number one said he was dealing with nausea and dizziness after that, any didnt shake it offer as next max shockley losing two 32nd rank, all honored to be low on sunday after the match is 36 yearold serbian said that hes going to have further medical testis. See whats going on before the french open . Harris, which begins one week from today. And casey, im guessing, djokovic is going to maybe think twice, before signing autographs in a tunnel again, with the ends of bugs them because i look, i get hurt yeah yeah. I agree. All right. Andy. Thank you. Back really appreciate it. See you tomorrow. I hope all right. Coming up next here. 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