good morning. and welcome to our first show. where every saturday, i'll sit down with some really smart people to discuss the biggest stories and what we hope will be a different way. today, we're asking, with mounting pressure on president biden, to call for a cease-fire in gaza, how much say does he really have in what israel does? plus, legal challenges now, to keep donald trump off the ballot. should judges or voters decide his future? and later, a hot topic for parents and kids. should schools ban students? from using cell phones? our panel here is all ready to go. sit back, and grab your coffee, and let's talk about it. first, our saturday starter. president biden walking a diploma diplomatic tight rope as israel continues the offensive in gaza am response to the horrific attack by hamas last month. secretary of state blinken is back in the area this week. getting more humanitarian aid in gaza and more hostages out. here at home there are growing calls for israel to stop the bopping at least temporarily. it put president biden in a tough but familiar spot. >> amid deadly israeli air strikes on gaza, there are mounting calls for a cease-fire, putting pressure on president biden, coming even from his supporters. >> are you going to call for a cease-fire right mow? >> the president instead has a pause for getting the hostage out, a clear softening from biden's initial hard line support. >> my administration's support for israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. >> as the death toll escalates in gaza, history suggests unwavering u.s. support has an expiration date, one that is often ignored by israel. >> america's commitment to the security of israel is ironclad. >> in the early '80s, president reagan shifted from ironclad to calling for israel to end the invasion of lebanon. >> for them not to leave now could spend technically in position of an occupying force. >> but israel stayed another five months, before a deal was brokered. fast forward 30 years, president obama defended an israeli military operation in gaza. 13 days later, obama called for a cease-fire. >> a cease-fire that ends the fighting and that can stop the deaths of innocent civilians. >> but israel ignored obama's call, and continued its offensive for five more weeks. here with me on our first morning, podcaster cara swisher, author and conservative pollster, kristen system olz-anderson. "new york times" and podcast coast, and the president of the manhattan institute and contributing editor of the national review. welcome to all of you. and thank you for taking this on with me. lulu, let me start with you, because you spent years reporting from the middle east. how much actual say does biden have over the way israel conducts itself. >> a lot but not total and there is a lot different from what the president says in public, because they have constituencies like the american government and constituents and those in the middle east and what is said in pift and we don't know what president biden is saying to prime minister netanyahu in israel and for the most it looks like he is giving them the green light to pull ahead with what is going. >> and as we saw in the piece, israel does not always feel bound by the words. and israeli prime minister netanyahu says no cease-fire even temporarily until all of the hostages are released. how much attention should he pay to president biden and also to offices like the u.n. agency that says it is collecting evidence of possible war crimes? >> i believe that netanyahu is paying close attention to what the biden white house is saying, but i would urge him to do what's right and what's necessary. the euphemism of the moment is a humanitarian pause. this is a poll-tested euphemism for a cease-fire. and the truth is that israel agreed to a cease-fire in may of 2021, after hamas rocket attacks. there was a brief response from israel. and then they said we'll agree to a cease-fire. the next move was hamas slaughtering 1400 israeli civilians, something needs to be done, and i think the united states actually risks putting itself in a tricky situation, where if they do not show trust and faith in israel doing what it needs to do, israel has its own leverage, and it is going to do what it needs to do to defend itself. so they need to find some way to navigate this together. >> lulu? >> i was about to jump in, if i may, reihan, there is something else at play here which is of course israel is a sovereign country, it can do what it likes, ultimately it does need the united states, but this is a civilian population that is there, this is, you know, this is not a war in other places where people can leave, they can go and flee, and there's a big refugee outflow. this is a trapped population of 2 million people which under international law is an occupied territory. >> this is a matter for egypt. equip is -- >> should they go to egypt and be rejected from their land. most of the palestinians already in gaza, most of the palestinians are actually refugees from the war of 1948. they are refugees already once. and there has already been an understanding that the israeli government -- >> israel did not -- >> tried to get a mass exodus of -- >> it is a great deal of time and room, and it is perfectly reasonable for many of the actors who are responsible for feeding and funding hamas to take some responsibility. >> let me throw another light on to this fire, and that is that, you know, we talked about vietnam as the first television war, where people could sit at home, in easy chairs, and watch the war playing out. what we're seeing now with social media is the television war on steroids, so what impact does it have when you see first, from october 7th, the horrific images of hamas slaughtering israelis, but now, week after week, the carnage inside gaza? >> it is a disaster. and anyone running the country has to be paying attention to the visual images that are coming through at a pace never seen before. some of them real, some of them fake. all of them disturbing. and so, and confusing to people. people are confused what they're looking at. so the calculation of biden and for netanyahu, it has to be whether what do we look like? because it is not just, you know, one show a night on television. it's all the time. and that's the real problem. can you imagine world war ii on social media? you might imagine the nazis would be running europe at this point because people get horrified by war when they see it up close and that's what you're getting here, especially children dying. i think that's the real problem. >> ckristen, let me bring you into this on a slightly different point, which is the house this week passed the aid to israel and stripped out any aid to ukraine. any problem with that? >> i don't understand why in washington everything has to always be linked together. i think this is a big reason why you don't have progress on issues like immigration et cetera. i wish that the biden administration and the senate would agree to pass israel aid on its own. i understand, as somebody who wants to see aid for ukraine, why they want to link them, they want to put pressure on many of these republicans that are wobblebly on the ukraine question. but i think by requiring the things that are somewhat unrelated to constantly be linked in washington, that makes it harder for progress to be made. >> there is aid to israel, is aid to israel more urgent and more important than aid to ukraine? >> i think it's conflating two different things. i actually wanted to read a tweet by matt gaetz that he put out this week -- >> please. >> i'm going to do it. >> please don't. >> listen, he is a florida senator, at the is my hometown state. >> he said quote, israel is a land with a 4,000 year connection to our faith, ukraine is a former soviet state, these are not the same thing, and should be considered independently. this to me seemed pretty shocking that we are now looking at the 4,000 history, 4,000-year history of the middle east as a way that we should manage geopolitics. in 2023. i mean it is, you know, it seems pretty ridiculous. >> there is an urgent disaster, this is a geopolitical emergency happening in israel right now. with ukraine, there is a question of balancing our commitments, thinking about whether or not the nonmilitary assistance is appropriate. i agree with kristen, that look, this has to be immediate, it should be clean, unfortunately -- >> wait, whoa, what about passing israel aid which everybody supports means that ukraine doesn't get passed and putin is able to do exactly what he expected which is wait out the west. >> i don't think that is what happened. i think there will be an honest negotiation with different equities at stake and figure out what is and is not appropriate as opposed to to a blank check in ukraine. i think that is entirely reasonable and i think a large majority of americans would agree. >> this is not the last time ukraine aid would be discussed and at this particular point in time, as with what happened in the house with the speaker, time is of the essence and in fact republicans believe it should be an omnibus package because decoupling them makes it much more difficult. >> i will break in here because i actually thought that the congressional leaders this week have said it is going to go to the senate, there are a lot of republicans in the senate who want to package the two of them together, aid to israel, aid to ukraine, but the kreis they're going to paragraph the red line that they're going to impose because the president also has aid to the border is that they're going to have to say, you will have to do some things, joe biden and democrats that you don't like, which is basically stricter tougher enforcement of the border. anyway, now that we're all warmed up, here's what is ahead. >> donald trump is expected to testify next week in the case that will determine if his billionaire brand is a fraud. can he convince the judge it's not? also, president biden's numbers are way down, prices are way up, is it time for another democrat to bail out the party? and later, we're all falling back later tonight, but should we let the sun set on daylight saving time? our panel has a lot to say about all of it. these days, you're as likely to see donald trump in a courtroom as on the campaign trail. one legal question he's facing is, at the top of the docket this week in colorado, and several other states are also considering it, should donald trump be kept off the ballot next november under the 14th amendment to the constitution? now, section 3 of that amendment, in case you don't remember, bars anyone who has previously taken an oath to support a constitution of the united states to have engaged in insurrection or rebellion, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof, it bars them from ever holding office again. the question is, who should decide whether trump is on the ballot? judges or voters? lulu? is this a legitimate question for judges and state courts, and i guess ultimately the supreme court to be decided? >> absolutely. i don't think there is any question about that. we have separation of powers in this country. congress could have made that determination after january 6th. they could have decided to censure the former president and bar him from actually taking office again. they chose not to do so. the courts are considering this now. let me just say, they have never had to consider this ever before. it is, as we love to use this word about donald trump, unprecedented. and i think i'm not going to make any determination as to whether this should or shouldn't happen, but i think it is totally element mat that the courts actually look at this. >> reihan, i understand the argument that it is anti-democratic, the judges, not voters to decide this, but it is the 14th amendment to the constitution, it is on the books, there are cases before judges, and what they have to determine is one, whether or not january 6th was an insurrection, and two, whether or not by the terms of section 3, 14th amendment, the president, quote, engaged in it. is that legitimate? >> the law professors who set off this fire storm have introduced a couple of very tricky ambiguities. one of them is that it could be that the person who is accused of rebellion and insurrection is not allowed to take office but can be on the ballot. that's one. the other is that there's another little amendment called the 20th amendment, and there is actually a real possibility that if trump is president-elect, then congress can pass a law saying that he is not qualified. so you get another version of a january 6th-like insurrection coming from a congress that is hostile to president-elect donald trump. this is a very -- >> let's cut to the chase. are you basically saying the court shouldn't be dealing with this? >> i am definitely saying that. it should belong in the hands of voters. and if it is not, there is something called democratic legitimacy that a lot of folks talked about, back during january 6th, and this is the ire issue front and center here again, and that it could be incredibly corrosive for our courts and our institutions. >> it is called a constitution. like it should go to the supreme court, obviously. which is where it probably is headed. but 14th amendment happens to be my favorite amendment. i carry it around with me, the equal rights under the law. >> sort of like mike gaetz. >> and sometimes the supreme court, sometimes the courts overreach when it comes to democratic legitimacy, and what majorities want. >> but it should be in the court. this is something that is clearly, it needs to be determined in the court of law, and then perhaps by the voters, and in this case, it makes sense to me. >> kristen, let me talk about another legal issue. donald trump's sons, don jr. and eric were in court this week, dealing in a case in which it is alleged the trump family and the trump organization defrauded banks and insurers by inflating their worth. the two as they're known at the trump organization, the boys, both testified, and incidentally, and this is must-see tv, donald trump is testifying on monday, and ivanka apparently later in the week. so your sense, how are the trumps doing so far in this case? >> i'm not -- from a legal perspective, it doesn't feel like they're doing well but from a political perspective every poll done, suggesting this is not taking any toll on former president donald trump's standing in the primary. and any time he is under pressure legally it actually backfires for anyone who tries to use it against him to make it politically harmed by adding more fuel to the fire, and look how much they hate me and trying to prevent me from being your president again, and whether it is the court cases with the 14th amendment and trying to keep him off the ballot, he is an enormous amount of peril, he is his own worst enemy and it is where republicans will walk open-eyed to be their nominee and it seems likely that is what is going to happen and every one of these court cases is doing anything to change that. >> more stuff, more material. >> it is a virtuous circle for him, because he acts like he is aggrieved, they give him more money, he uses that money to pay his legal fees. it is a lovely self-sustaining circle. >> you know, basically, saying that the trump organization is the billionaire's net worth to defraud, it would necessarily be good, and i understand the short-term gain. let me ask you, kariya, about another issue, and that is the gag order t, there were two gag orders one was frozen by a federal appeals court but these are judges imposing gag orders because of things that donald trump has said about prosecutors, about witnesses, about court staff, here's how this became an issue. take a look. >> deranged jack smith. doesn't he look deranged? you see the picture with the purple robe? he is a deranged human being. >> very partisan judge with a person very partisan sitting alongside him. perhaps even much more partisan than he is. >> i don't know about mike pence. he should endorse me. i chose him. made him vice president. but people in politics can be very disloyal. >> should judges ban donald trump -- >> no, i mean he's shameless. if you have no shame, you can do it. they got to execute and hold him to account, and they're not going to do that. so he knows that. and so it is like saying to a lion, do not touch that gazelle over there. do not, do not, and he just does it, and then they have to do something about it. >> i think he actually would like that analogy. a lion and a gazelle. >> on the democratic side, president biden faces his own set of problems, including whether he should keep saying this. >> it's called biden-omics. >> biden-omics. >> that's the american dream. that's biden-omics. >> is biden-omics a winner or a loser? the panel tells us what they think next. is it possible my network could take my business to the next level? it is with comcast business. powering all your devices with gig-speed wifi. and you get fast downloads and uploads. pick it up! pick it up! oh we got this! because it's powered by the next generation 10g network. more speed for your business? it's not just possible. it's happening. get started for $59.99 a month for 12 months. plus, ask how to get an $800 prepaid card with a qualifying internet bundle. comcast business, powering possibilities. show biden is entering campaign season under water. his poll numbers are among the lowest for a president seeking re-election. a majority of democratic voters don't even want him to run. and yet only one democrat is challenging him, a little-known congressman from minnesota. the same congressman who represents the district biden visited this week to kickoff a campaign tour. >> let's unite this country. let's do it together. >> president biden making an interesting campaign stop this week. in the backyard of his only democratic primary opponent. >> it's time for a new generation to take the reins. >> minnesota congressman dean phillips on the trail pushing a message party leaders want to hear. >> america is telling all of us they do not want this man as our nominee. >> phillips long shot bid, trying to capitalize on an unpopular president, whose latest poll numbers are stuck below 40%. part of the reason, the economy. with roughly the same minority of voters approving of biden's performance. and here is a good example of why. americans are paying a lot more for every day items. like a box of cereal. now going for $9. but the president keeps doubling down on the republican attack phrase, he thinks he can turn into a plus. >> biden-omics. >> biden ommics. >> that's biden-omics. >> so, kristen how much trouble is joe biden in, particularly in swing states, and particularly among independents? >> he's in a lot of trouble. and in fact, because of everything we just talked about with donald trump, he's likely to be his adversary and trump keeps shooting himself in the foot and he and biden are effectively tied in polls and that's because you have this message that the biden campaign is trying to drive, don't believe your lying eyes, we promise you the economy is great, and look, if you just take out housing, fuel, food, and used cars, you have a great economy. well, guess what? a lot of people spend money on food, fuel, and housing. and the sorts of things that remain very expensive. so i think biden is not even close to a shoo-in for re-election. it is hard to unseat a sitting president but when the economy feels this bad to people -- >> i have a theory, and that is that biden is the only democrat who can lose to trump, and trump is the only republican that can lose to biden, so i actually think there's kind of neutral dependence there. >> i mean look, this is washington reporters chattering. how do you look at this, the deranged lion, and voters will firm up on either side, it seems like that and everybody thinks there is something else happening because it is exciting -- >> that is a little bit like this, definitely these are the people running, but i actually think the real issue here is enthusiasm, and what we've seen, in a recent poll, to use your language, of polling, is that democrats are really soft on biden. and he's losing a lot of people of color in particular, and that is going to be a problem. >> a lot of young people. >> a lot of young people. and that is the base of the democratic party. on the republican side, you don't see a softening of enthusiasm for donald trump. people who love trump, love trump. and so it is going to be a race to the polls, and the democrats have to use that race. >> reihan, i want to go back to this question that kristen brought up. the president keeps doubling down. it was originally a republican attack line, biden-omics. and the biden team said you know what, we're going to own, it and by biden-omics which he says over and over again, he is talking about low unemployment and strong growth, and that's not the way most people are experiencing the economy. so i guess my question is, is biden-omics a political loser for joe biden? >> biden ommics is a bust. we certainly see it in survey data. you see that certainly. but biden-omics is a little different, it is a thesis, pump federal subsidies into creating green jobs and suddenly it will be a prosperous economy and the problem is that president biden is building a tepid economy that could go away. and he is setting us up for a rust belt. and it is where we will build chips and batteries, seven or eight times as much as they are overseas. >> i can feel the energy. >> kara, go request. >> t-- >> kara, go. >> we have been i would behind and dependent on other countries and it was noticeable during the pandemic. all our phones are made in china. >> the way you do this is make american industry more competitive. you deregulate. you do not allow the afl-cio, the uaw, to dictate terms. you build competitive industry. >> and we're like an acronym land. >> yes. >> we sure are. because the biden administration, and biden proefgss. >> -- progressives. >> no, it's not. >> we need to invest in manufacturing in this country. the minute you did degrate it it went elsewhere and china and other countries were able to control the stream of technology. we need to bring this back. >> public investment plus union wage setting. >> this is a very interesting, and deep and sophisticated coverage. and i want to go back to cold hard politics. >> right. >> if people don't feel good about their economic situation, is talking about biden-omics, i mean does very to do it, because he somehow has to persuade them? >> it is a terrible word. she come up with some other word. like taylor swift. i don't know. something. by the way -- >> i was going to save this by letter but you gave me my swifty bracelet. >> that's correct. >> and i only do that because look at what happened to the economy with taylor swift. billions into the economy. the recession has been, you know, there's no recession that is happening yet. >> are you suggesting drop kamala -- >> i would suggest taylor swift -- >> she's not old enough. >> she's 3. you have to be 35 -- she's 33. you have to be 35, sorry. >> let the voters decide. >> dean phillips, the congressman we have forgotten about, hangs out in new hampshire, he is just a vessel for people's concerns and dissatisfaction with biden, and people in new hampshire are already ticked off because biden took away the first in the nation primary, and he does surprisingly well in the -- don't stop. >> keep going. >> in the january primary. kind of like dean mccarthy in 1968. and this shakes the support for joe biden. >> waking up to aoc, the poll camp feels like an economic stimulus package for the dean phillips campaign consultant. i think president biden is vulnerable in a party challenge, but i don't think where it is coming from. >> up next, we are turning into some big talkers and looking forward to discuss with our group here, including a change at school your kids will not like. while we want to weigh in on the big issues each week, we don't want to ignore other news that is just plain interesting. so as with congress, it is time to ask the group to play yeah or nay for stories that have us talking. first, that time of the year, daylight saving time, when we fall back an hour and ask ourselves why. the ritual has survived years of challenges and warnings from sleep experts saying changing the clock back and forth is bad for your health but we still do that. kristen, yea or nay on daylight saving time. >> i would have been yea until last year but now i'm nay. >> that extra hour of sleep is nice, and we condition k-get through it in the spring but it throws everything offkilter for no reason. >> one of the things i like, when you wake up, it is not necessarily as dark out or it gets lighter sooner. earlier. where are you? yea or may on daylight saving? >> i'm a hard yea? >> really? >> yes. >> i want to be contrarian. i don't know anyone who likes daylight saving time. i absolutely love switching mi body clock twice a year to figure out what time i'm going to be waking up. and you know, yes. >> you know what i find crazy, we fly from washington to dc, where it is an hour difference and we don't think about it, but when we have to change the clock, it throws us off. >> it's hard. a story parents may like but your kids won't. some schools are starting to ban cell phone use during class time. or even for the entire day. supporters say the ban reduces distraction and bullying. while those opposed to the ban point to educational benefits, and i'm not sure what those are, and the students' ability to call their parents in an emergency. kara, as a mom, yea or nay. >> it is great. i think everything should have a cell phone. everything at work, when you're around people, and you're in a community, but students, absolutely, they're a distraction, and people are to be focused on the classroom and they don't need them there, there are little pockets, they put them, they're adorable, i'm thrilled with the idea. they did it at our school. >> is this a case of big government overregulating our lives or are you for the ban for cell phones in school. >> incidentally in florida, in florida, it is not just during class time, that's a no-brainer but even during free time. >> i pregret to report to my children that i agree with kara on this one. it doesn't have to be a government mandate. this is school by school and the norms. this is about families establishing some boundaries. and i think it has to happen. >> more than 50 years after the beatles, they have released one more song called "now and then" and took a demo that john lennon recorded into the '70s and through the magic of ai turned it into a polished record. here is a lesson. ♪ i sknow it's true ♪ it's all because of you ♪ ♪ and if i make it through ♪ it's all because of you ♪ >> kara, as you know, you are my guide to pop culture and gave me a swifty bracelet. this is not taylor swift but where are you, yea or nay? >> i think this is what is happening. it is not a yea or nay. it is what is going to happen. >> i'm asking you whether you like it. >> i don't like the song but i think are going to see a lot of it. you saw johnny cash's voice doing something. >> i got scared listening to this. i didn't think it was a great song but it was listening to john lennon's voice again in that kind of raw way that made me nostalgic and i thought it was a good use of ai. >> i take a look at it this way, he she's right, you're wrong. it is the beatles. if you have six lines of a shakespeare sonnet and you didn't have the rest of it, would you be excited to read it? yes, because it is shakespeare. >> you have to understand it is ai generated and you have to -- >> they didn't make it up. they isolated his voice. >> yes. >> i saw the headline and ai generated john lennon, this feels kind of creepy but it ends up being an auditory archeological dig, and they used the ai to unearth him. a big story that was a bit unnoticed this week but could have a massive impact on how technology affects our lives. it's under the radar. we are grocery outlet and we are your bargain bliss market. what's bargain bliss? 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we'll ask the panel when we come right back. the biden administration takes on artificial intelligence, laying out new rules of the road for the cutting edge technology. we are fortunate, because kara here is one of the great experts on technology. you were invited to the white house for this announcement of the president's executive order. >> yes. >> what did you think? >> they actually let me in, which was exciting. it is great. i thought it was good. 112 pages. there is a lot there. it covers the entire map. and it is a little broad but it starts to direct agencies to consider all kinds of things from discrimination to safety to recommendations to cybersecurity and everything else. it is quite broad. and what has to happen is congress has to act and start to create some regulation of the internet which hasn't happened so far, since the internet started. >> now, are there some obvious gaping holes in it, in terms of what it doesn't do? >> no, no, it is quite, it is a really good document, it is very late and they're doing it because ai has gotten so much attention and so much -- >> where do we stand versus the rest of the world -- >> we're way ahead. the united states is always, the most innovative in this area, and people are worried about china and others, as always, and in reality, the united states is at the forefront of this, and it is the only country that doesn't have any significant regulation on the internet, including privacy data and things like that, and it needs to happen, and a lot of these people want guardrails. >> what about the worst case scenario that one hears about, that might make it easier for people to develop weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, even the danger that the machines are going to take over from their human overlord. >> every technology tool can become a weapon. that's the thing. that's what happened. that has happened in social media. and we will see it here. so it is a good thing for the government and the companies to work together and not just let the companies make the decision. right now, let me give you one quick statistic. companies have spent 73% of the money on ai, and in 1964, government is spending 64% of the money on advanced technology. there's got to be more of a government company partnership or the companies will decide everything. >> kristen, what you are watching for, in terms of what the u.s. and other countries, friendly and not so friendly, are doing in terms of ai? >> what i wonder, you mentioned that congress didn't regulate the internet, started the internet, and actually, the united states wound up being a big leader in that space. how do you get that balance right? you don't want to go in a position to where you went overboard and take it from not regulating social media at all and let's go for it and you get rid of the environment that made it so innovative. finally panel, it is time for your special takes on what is happening, or predictions on what we should be looking out for. so, hit me with your best shot. reihan, best shot. >> my best shot is the third party candidates are actually going to matter in the 2024 presidential election. rfk jr. is pulling votes from joe biden and donald trump. a quinnipiac poll shows he has 22% of the electorate support and cornell west, you have a potential no labels candidate, and this could be an incredibly unpredictable situation. >> at this point, if you had to bet, with those third party and fourth party candidates in, there would they benefit biden or trump? >> i believe it is going to benefit trump. >> all right. kara? best shot? >> the disney hulu comcast deal to sell all of hulu to disney. it is really important streaming get its economics right, it is really devastating for hollywood so it is important to consolidate, and the prices go up and the choices less, because the economics are out of land right now and problematic for the entertainment industry. >> kristen? >> first tuesday in november, election day somewhere. virginia, kentucky, voters will go to the polls, they will decide whether they would like republicans to, in virginia, hang on to control or take control in the state legislature. in kentucky, a governor's race. a big test case for the power of abortion as an issue. and it is still motivating voters to turn out for democrats. i think it likely is, and i think republicans are likely to be disappointed on wednesday. >> i have to tell you being here in dc, we have a big election in virginia for the legislature, the democrats are talking about abortion, republicans are talking about crime, is youngkin going to be able to flip the legislature to the republicans? >> i'm skeptical. i think that the abortion issue is going to win out for a lot of female voters, younger women, and it is going to turn them out in bigger numbers than for republicans. >> so generally speaking, bad night for republicans? >> generally speaking, i think the republicans will be disappointed. >> finally, best shot? >> cat, cat lady, you would be surprised to know, and don't judge, and i read a really interesting report that broke my heart a little bit that showed that cats do not prrr because they love you necessarily, they're actually just senat senatoring, an involuntary reflex for them. you're kind of a snooze for them. >> did you hear that cats pur because they like you? >> i don't think cats care about anything and i like it that way. >> thank you for being here. thank you for spending part of your saturday morning with us. we'll see you back here next