dollars. >> thank you very much. thanks for watching. erin burnenett "outfroront" sta right now. next, a deadly blast outside a gaza hospital. israel now claiming responsibility. this as israeli forces close in on gaza city. plus, an exclusive dispatch from cnn journalist ibrahim. we've been following his harrowing journey out of gaza and tonight, we can report he and his wife and their two young sons have made it to egypt. also more breaking news. an appeals court freezing a gag order against donald trump in the federal election interference case while a new york judge expands a gag order on trump in another case. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett. breaking news. israel ramping up its bombardment of gaza and tonight, acknowledging it was behind a deadly blast outside the hospital in gaza city. we want to warn you, the images we're going to show you are graphic. according to multiple videos that cnn has geo located, you can see bloody bodies strewn across the ground. a spokesperson for the health ministry says authorities had organized a convoy to the rafah crossing. the spokesperson says when ambulances started to move south, they were hit. a director of the hospital says this. medical teams and paramedics lost their lives. regrettably, some of the wounded lost their lives. tonight, the international committee of the red cross confirms it was aware of a convoy that would be carrying patients from northern gaza to the south but according to the israeli military, it struck an ambulance being used by hamas. here's the quote from the idf. an idf aircraft struck an ambulance that was identified by forces as being used by a hamas terrorist cell in close proximity to their position in the battle zone. a number of hamsas terror operatives were killed in the strike. however, it also appears civilians were killed and injured. that is why today, secretary blinken pressed israel's leaders to do more to protect civilians in gaza and allow more humanitarian aid to enter the 25 mile long strip. the public request was rebuffed by israel's prime minister. netanyahu saying israel objects to any temporary cease fire unless hamas frees all 241 hostages. so, that means more strikes in gaza and tonight, we have another dispatch from an aid worker. he's been sending updates to "outfront" from northern gaza. the focus on the israeli offensive. tonight, he describes what he witnessed after a blast near his home. >> men, fathers, carrying their k daughters and their children and crying like babies and i saw one child, one child, was about 12 years old who was saying i did nothing. >> i did nothing. civilians saying the very same thing. on both sides. of the israel hamas war now. jeremy dimon is "outfront" live along the israel gaza border. melissa bell is in cairo, egypt. want to start with jeremy. what more are you hearing about this strike on an ambulance in gaza city? >> reporter: well first of all, you saw those images. scenes of absolute devastation outside the hospital where this convoy of ambulances was apparently heading south. palestinian health authorities say this convoy of ambulances was carrying wounded individuals who were heading to the rafah crossing with egypt in order to get those wounded individuals evacuated as we have seen over the last several days. some wounded have been allowed to leave into egypt, but israel p paints a very different picture. they say these ambulances were being used by hamas operatives and that it targeted those ambulances for that reason. saying that it killed several hamas militants in this strike. israel also points out that it believes that hamas has used ambulances in the past to transport not only hamas militants, but also some of its weaponry. cnn cannot independently verify those claims and israel has not provided any evidence for that. but what we know is the toll of casualties here. according to the hamas run palestinian ministry of health, 15 people were kill ed in the strike. 50 wounded. the palestinian ministry of health says that injured people were being carried in these ambulances. it also says it requested the international red cross to accompany the convoy. the red cross confirming it received that request but says it did not take part in this convoy. this is raising manore question about israel's tactics in the war following the strikes in the jabalya refugee camp. they're continuing to target israeli towns and cities, population centers. civilian targets in israel. earlier today, our team was very close to one of those strikes. a rocket came in about 100 meters away from where a number of journalists including my team, was positioned. and i want to show you this video. my photojournalist, you can hear the power of that rocket coming in. listen. [ blast ] [ bleep ]. >> following that strike, we were able to see the crater where the rocket made impact. at least one of the two rockets landed in the courtyard of a kindergarten. there were no children there. school has been closed there for the time being, but obviously as you know, the iron dome missile defense system takes out the overwhelming majority of these rockets but not all. >> jeremy, thank you so much. "outfront" with me now, lieutenant colonel jonathan, the international spokesman for the idf. thank you so much for coming on. what more can you tell us about the strikes on the ambulance? why did they strike so near a hospital? >> hi. thank you for having me. there's fighting ongoing. we are at war against hamas in northern gaza and all over gaza, but focusing on the northern gaza strip. our forces saw terrorists using ambulances as a vehicle to move around. they perceived a threat and accordingly, we struck that ambulance. i must say that this is not the first and not the 100th time that hamas operatives including senior leaders make use, illegal use of ambulances on the battlefield. they use them as taxis and it is not the first time. they did it in 2014. they're doing it again. and we are well within our legal rights according to the laws of our country once they use it and we perceive it as a threat, to attack it. >> who, in that strike, who was taken out? were they high level operatives within hamas? do you have the names of who was taken out or who was being targeted? >> this wasn't a targeted killing of someone. this was during combat. our troops saw they were using the ambulance and trying to either escape or attack using they will and that is why they were struck. hopefully we'll be able to provide more intelligence about it. but we have other information which we're also able to show and have shared with cnn and others. of how ambulances have been seen and we have caught it on camera. ambulances have been seen in hamas locations. hamas camps where they are next to the locations of the headquarters and they are used not to transport wounded but in order to get seniors and the other commanders from one place to another without the risk of being followed or attacks by the idf. >> the numbers from the hamas run ministry of health coming out are 15 killed and i think it was 50 wounded. there's no distinction in those numbers of who was civilian and who was you know, connected with hamas. do you know? >> a combatant or terrorist. it's okay to say those words. >> do you know? >> i know, i see a lot of pictures of young men. i don't see weapons. maybe they were conveniently hidden before tv crews came there to for this whole orchestrated event, but bottom line, we know that there were hamas operatives there. i don't have the finite number but i am certain that there were hamas activists terrorists there who were trying to use an ambulance in order to facilitate their movement while fighting was ongoing. >> colonel, today, earlier today, i spoke with an american politician who supports israel. supports israel's right to defend itself. also on the armed services committee and he says that the bombing of innocent civilians needs to stop and what he said today, here's what he said to me. he said i don't think if you're using hundreds of civilians as a human shield, meaning hamas, and you have one terrorist, that that justifies a bombing. why not go about this in a more surgical way? >> yeah, i don't think that that is ever, ever the case. one for 100. that doesn't seem logical for me at all and that doesn't at all compute with the calculations that i'm aware of that the idf does. it would have to be -- together to warn that kind of collateral damage. that is not the case. the sad reality is that we have asked civilians to evacuate including in the pictures you're showing from different areas in gaza. we have asked them to evacuate because we know that hamas is trying to use them as their human shields. we know that it will be dangerous and we have told them this isn't a safe place to be. go south. those that have stayed have done it at their own agency. which is regrettable. i'm sure that some have been forced to stay by hamas, which is appalling and a war crime. preventing civilians to flee to safety by hamas is an active war crime which they should be criticized and called out for doing and i don't think that the focus should be on what israel is doing in order to defend ourselves. and please let me say that this started not by israeli activity. we are now a month in the war because hamas invaded into israel. butchered our civilians. and took our civilians hostage and they're holding 240 of them in gaza as we speak. that is what this is about. >> i mean, that is accurate. this started because of a horrific terror attack on israel from hamas terrorists coming from gaza but as we heard also from the secretary of state today, saying very clearly that where this has gotten to is that israel needs to do more to protect palestinian civilians in the midst of your rightful operation and obligation to defend yourself. so that's what we're getting at with this conversation. lieutenant colonel, go ahead. >> indeed. yeah, i think we should and we are doing. we are doing a lot. there's more and more humanitarian aid coming in. there's humanitarian zone. we are supplying water to southern gaza. there's medicine and food coming in to the south. we have told people to evacuate. what more can we do while not stopping the fighting and while not giving hamas any room to breathe because mind everybody, we are at war, right? this isn't about something else. we are at war. what more can be done except for you know, stop fighting, which isn't on the table. i think we have to be clear about the situation. be honest. yes, there is civilian suffering, which is sad and regrettable. not something that we want. we are trying to minimize it but i think some people and i'm not kau calling names, but perhaps some people are getting carried away with the visuals and seeing suffering and forgetting how we got here and what really is at stake. we are in a situation where we cannot return to the reality of before october 7th. we can't go back there because our communities won't be able to go back and live in safety and in order for us to return, we have to eradicate hamas. >> lieutenant colonel, thank you for always coming on to speak with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. with me now, mark hurtling. general, thank you. you were listening to my conversation right there with the colonel. what's your reaction to what you just heard from the idf about the strikes in gaza? >> whenever you see the visuals of these strikes, the horrific death and injuries involved, the emotions take over. but unfortunately, i have a little bit of a bias and i must admit that because i have seen in combat ambulances being used by terrorists organizations to do the things exactly that the colonel said. that is what happens when you fight terrorist organizations. and it's an attempt to you know, there was a once a greek philosopher that said truth is the first casualty of war. in today's battlefield fights, you have to understand that disinformation is the first weapon to be deployed to fight against terrorism. in the fight against terrorism. so all of these things come together and it's difficult for the uninitiated to see these kind of scenes and not attempt to blame someone. it's usually the person that's fired the round. but i can see the argument if the intelligence has shown, if the information has shown by the israeli defense forces they had an active target there of a terrorist group using ambulances, which is against the law of land warfare, transport people around. so, yeah, and i know it's connected to "the wall street journal" had an article that said yeah but the red cross was notified. well, of course they were notified. this adds to the plausibility that hamas might be using to say hey, we even notified the red cross and they still struck us. that gives them the ability to blame israel even more. >> that's an important perspective. the idf also says the fighters of gaza are engaged in underground battles right now. we're going to show you new video released by the idf today and they say shows a hamas tunnel. you see the hole there. it's about just enough for one person to fit through, drop in, head down. israeli officials estimate that there's more than 300 miles of this network across gaza. this tunnel network. when you think of what has been done so far, the number of strikes trying to collapse this network, but how vast it still is, what is it going to take? to take this all out and eliminate this part of the threat? >> a lot. i don't know, i can't put a figure on it. but when you're talking about a hole like that like you're showing, there are probably thousands of those all over the gaza strip and the tunnel complexes are estimated to be over 300 miles long. in different directions. imagine trying to completely eliminate all of the subways in new york city. that's about the same kind of problem set you have right now. and hamas has been building these tunnels while they've been starving the palestinian people taking funds away from them and they are responsible for these things and they view them as a subterranean approach to maneuver. to move around the battlefield and i suggest possibly one of the reasons this ambulance was possibly transporting hamas fighters is because some of the tunnels have been actually destroyed and they're trying to get out of the area back to other locations where there are tunnels and they have to do that movement aboveground as opposed to underground. again, that's supposition on my part, but having fought in these fights before and seen the kind of tunnels that are in israel and gaza up close and personal, i can tell you, this is a tough fight and it's going to take a very long time. >> and it's going to get tougher. general hurtling, thank you. "outfront" next, an exclusive dispatch from a cnn journalist who for weeks we have followed as he has tried to get his family out of gaza. tonight, we can report they have just crossed the border into egypt. plus, more breaking news. trump's gag order on hold. trump no longer barred at least for now from going after those involved in his federal election interference case. we're going to break down why an appeals court just hit the pause button there. and anger over biden's support for israel. it's having a real effect on his standing with a crucial group of vote es. >> do you plan to vote foror hi in 2024? >> i do nonot. dispatch on his family's struggles to stay alive and fight to get out of gaza. they are now out of gaza, having crossed through the rafah crossing today. for 28 days, ibrahim witnessed so much tragedy, pain, and free. you'll remember how he documented his journey out of northern gaza with his wife who is four months pregnant, and their two young sons, who were 11 and 7 years old. they started teaching their children how to feed themselves in the event he and his wife die. and he also showed us what they had to do. some of the things they had to do to survive, including drinking water that was meant to fill toilets. tonight, they are in egypt. listen to this. >> thank god they're out safely, he said. tonight, nearly 1100 people including hundreds of people are foreign passports and dozens of people who are wounded have also been able to leave gaza through that same crossing. the agreement seems to be holding, but some, as melissa bell is reporting tonight, are tormented by their decision to leave. >> reporter: for nearly a month now, gaza has been almost entirely cut off. now, finally, some are getting out. bringing images like these captured on their phones along with their stories. >> i don't think there are enough words in the english dictionary to actually describe what every gazan is going through right now. >> reporter: the pictures as they got through rafah on wednesday speak of their relief. as an italian, he was lucky to be one of the first out as his wife was allowed through with him even though she's palestinian. >> for two days, we were completely blacked out. just think of the worst and you keep on telling, are you going to be next. that's what you keep on telling yourself. it's going to be us next. the humanitarian situation is catastrophic. we can't find water. food. bread. when people go to bakeries, they're dying because they have bombed all of the bakeries in gaza. >> what difference would a humanitarian pause make? >> it's important but an actual cease fire, a long one, with strong conditions. >> a gazan would say they are giving us some painkillers and then they're going to continue wiping us out. but at least you would have the ability to get water. i don't know if they will allow fuel because now it's a major no-no, of course, but would manage to get some water and food then they can just kill us. >> with no hope in sight, they made the hardest of choices. leaving behind an entirely besieged and bombarded gaza. >> our goal is to stay together, like people in need. so many people are talking about this coming out as a vigctory fr us, but it's a loss for everyone. >> because there was -- i was unable to reach my family so i couldn't even tell them that i made it safely and i'm okay. and they know that, my mom, she actually begged me to go out. for me, i would have -- i shouldn't have gone out. >> they say the future is impossible to imagine even as they head to italy. now, kate, they were amongst the first to get out, but that process has continued. several more hundred got out today. we understand there have been 79 citizens who have gotten out of gaza and we expect over the coming days and weeks, they will, the egyptians, they plan to get all 7,000 foreign and dual nationals but all of them will be feeling some of those mixed emotions as they go, knowing what it is they're leaving behind and very uncertain about what they'll be able to come back to. >> still a rare bright spot in what we're seeing all along. this agreement to open the rafah crossing is holding and people are getting out. thank you so much. next, an appeals court putting a freeze on donald trump's gag order in the federal elections case. while his gag order in the fraud trial just got bigger. what is going on here? we will try to explain. plus, american drones now over gaza trying to help locate some of the 241 hostages. i'm going to talk to a father whose son is believed to be one of them and he's going to share the last text messages that the famimily receiveved from himim. more breaking news. a federal appeals court just issuing a temporary freeze on the gag order against donald trump in the special counsel's case. this is d.c. case. that gag order had barred the former president from criticizing potential witnesses in the case as well as the special counsel's team. let's get to paula reed for more on this one. paula, what does this freeze mean and what happens now? >> well in a little over two weeks, a three-judge panel here in washington, d.c. will hear arguments about whether this gag order is actually constitutional. and while we're waiting for that answer, the former president is not bound by this set of restrictions. judge chutkan is the judge overseeing the federal election subversion case here in washington, d.c. as you noted, that's the case brought by jack smith. she imposed this gag order at the request of prosecutors after the former president appeared to attack several different people involved in this case including the judge herself. now, as part of his gag order, he is barred from targeting witnesses, people who work for the court, as well as the special counsel prosecutors and jack smith himself. trump's lawyers argue that's unconstitutional. they emphasize his status as a candidate for the white house and say he is entitled to a heightened level of free speech and that should be a very high standard before that is restricted. now, the judges on the court of appeals, they are clearly fast tracking this. this argument will be heard by two judges appointed by barack obama and one appointed by joe biden. the question of the extent to which you can restrict the speech of a presidential candidate who's a criminal defendant across multiple jurisdictions, that is never been contemplated so this could end up at the supreme court. >> the common refrain we have to make throughout this, thank you so much. so in a separate case, one that could end donald trump's business empire, the judge there just expanded a gag order, now barring trump's lawyers from discussing confidential communications between the judge and his staff in or out of the courtroom. this comes as the trump organization executive vice president eric trump testified that he couldn't answer certain questions about how trump properties were assessed because and here's the quote, this is just not what an executive of my level focuses on. and that he trusted accountants to prepare quote unquote perfect financial statements. on the stand, he then claims he and his siblings have been unfairly targeted in this case. >> they dragged don and i, they only want in this thing because it sensationalizes the case. we've done absolutely nothing wrong. >> "outfront" with me now, bloomberg new's eric larson. he's been in court reach day. and brian goodman, our "outfront" legal expert. let's start with what happened in court. the entire time that eric trump has been on the stand and in court, eric, he has tried to essentially say this stuff is not mine. this is not on my shoulders. this is something else's. today, it was this is not what an executive at my level focuses on. yesterday, it was i focus on construction. i don't focus on appraisals. did the judge seem to buy what he was saying? >> you know, it's really hard to say because the judge, he gives everyone a chance to say what they want to say on the stand without making any faces or asking any obvious questions that could say what he's thinking, but we have one big clue and that happened before the trial even started when the judge ruled that all of the defendants were liable for fraud. just based on the evidence that had been gathered to far. so that was the state's biggest claim. i think the judge has good reason to be skeptical only because the state did present eric trump on the stand today with documents internal trump organization documents suggesting that he was aware of the statement of financial condition at the center of this case. and his role in providing certain figures that were going into it. i think he described it at one point as the nitty-gritty that he wasn't involved in but these were appraisals that were important to him for big properties he was in charge of and according to the state were wildly overvalued on these financial statements. >> also getting at something i have been curious about. eric trump, don jr. they were called by the state as their witnesses. do you think the state got out of them what they wanted? >> very much so. i think the state attorneys probably went home this week very happy. with the results. so they got so many different things out of them including them contradicting one another then themselves. so eric trump is in fact on the stand having to admit he had just said that he did not know about his father's personal statements of financial condition until the case began then shown an e-mail from 2013 says okay, that does look like it. and if you're the prosecutors, you might be thinking that is wonderful. that's gold. you hardly get things like that. it all amounts to one big implication, which is their credibility. and at the end of the day, the judge is going to probably find that he finds them noncredible. that's very damaging and it's d damaging in so many ways because on appeal, that's fairly insulated. t it's the trial court judge's opinion. he sees their demeanor, their answers. if he finds they don't have that level of credibility, it's hard to overturn it. >> up next is donald trump himself. he's scheduled to testify monday. eric trump as he left court today, he offered up a bit of a preview of what we can expect from his father next week. let's listen to this. >> my father's going to be here and he thinks this is one of the most incredible injustices he's ever seen. >> that from eric trump. also a co-defendant in this case. what do you expect to see from donald trump next week? what's this going to look like? >> i think he's going to use every answer he gives as an opportunity to defend himself to try to do as his sons did and distance himself as much possible from these annual statements an shift the blame as much possible to their accountants and lawyers and other folks who were involved at the trump organization at the time. that's also what his sons did on the stand. it's just a matter of whether or not it will be believable. because he has a paper trail of sorts showing he has a big interest in these financial statements and making sure they got bigger rather than smaller and that was the directive that according to some other witnesses he had given. it will be real interesting to see which documents they present to him first to get him to explain himself. >> absolutely. okay. gag orders. we've got one gag order in new york that is now expanding. we have a new gag order that is now on ice in d.c. what is actually happening with this? what do you make of what is happening in d.c.? for anyone, for the casual viewer, it's quite confusing. >> yeah. so the trial judge imposed a gag order that basically says donald trump shall not target any of the witnesses or court officials until the trial begins and even during the trial because one major concern is intimidating witnesses. another one is polluting the jury pool. >> it seems quite logical. >> very logical. i think it will be upheld on appeal for that reason. what the panel did today, this afternoon, the court of appeals is just say we're going to stay that until we get to decide so let's freeze things in place. >> okay, frozen until it is unfrozen. next, u.s. drones now over gaza trying to find the 241 people still held hostage by hamas. next, i'm going to talk to a father whose son is missing. plus, arab american and muslim voters have a powerful message for joe biden. >> i can't promise you that you will get fivive vote frorom ara americicans in thehe city of dearbornrn. tonight, enough is enough. muslim and arab american voters outraged over president biden's firm support of israel. how much of an impact could it have on his re-election? diane gallagher is "outfront" in dearborn, michigan. >> can't ignore history. >> it's not a statement she ever thought she'd make. >> i voted for biden. >> and are you going to vote for him again in 2024? >> i mean, if you would have asked me a month ago, i would have said absolutely, 100%. no doubt about it but honestly, the past few weeks have changed everything and i don't know anymore. >> she's one of a growing number of muslim and arab americans who say they're reconsidering their support for biden given his response to the humanitarian crisis and rising death toll in gaza. >> the democratic party risks losing a generation of young voters and multiple generations of arab american and muslim voters. >> perhaps nowhere is this sentiment more pronounced than here in dearborn which has been called the arab capital of north america. >> i did vote for joe biden in 2020. >> do you plan to vote for him in 2024? >> i do not. >> if the election was to be held today and president biden was on the ballot and we have to go out and vote today, i can't promise you that he will get five votes from arab americans in the city of dearborn. >> adam, a palestinian american, worked the 2020 campaign as a biden fellow doing outreach to the biden community. >> the man that i went out and knocked on doors for, i feel guilt and regret what i did on the biden campaign. when i thought he would be somebody to lead with passion, we were wrong. >> some to boycott biden even if it means handing the election to former president donald trump. >> we're no longer going to consider the lesser of two evils. >> the white house has publicly and privately pointed to recent reachouts as well as the call for humanitarian pause. >> get aid out and to continue to work to get people out safely. >> and announcing an effort to combat islamophobia. >> that kind of hate has no place. >> efforts dismissed by the people we spoke with as damage control, adding the only way to maybe save their votes is by calling for an immediate cease fire. >> enough is enough. we need to cease fire. >> michigan is second only to california in residents who identify as middle eastern or north african. in 2020, biden won the state by nearly 155,000 votes. m gauge, a national organization muslim vote, says 145,000 muslim michigananders voted in 2020. dearborn mayor says democrats can no longer take his community's vote for granted. >> we're not here to prostitute ourselves to the lowest bidder for our humanity to be seen. >> now, the biden campaign released a statement to cnn saying in part president biden continues to work closely and proudly with leaders in the muslim and palestinian communities in america to listen to them and fight back against hate. we're in congresswoman talib's district tonight. she just posted a video which echoes her constituents writing at the end, biden support a serio cease fire now or don't count on us in 2024. >> joining us now to go beyond the numbers, harry is here. you heard diane's report. looking at the whole thing and focusing in on dearborn. do you think dearborn alone could make a difference? >> i believe that. diane was talking about 2020, but remember in 2016, donald trump carried the state of michigan by more than 10,000 votes. how many voters have cast ballots in presidential elections the past few cycles? a little bit more than 40,000. the fact is, dearborn is it goes one way towards the other and swings towards republicans, it could make the difference in michigan which has been a tight state. >> if you look in recent history, dearborn usually goes for democrats. i would say probably overwhelmingly is a safe thing to say. but you've also been looking into the past and you've, there have been though wild swings. >> absolutely. joe biden carried dearborn, michigan by about 39 percentage points last time. but you go back to the beginning of this century, george w. bush actually won dearborn, michigan in 2000. he won it in 2000 by eight percentage points then 2004, john kerry carried it easily. what happened between them? there was a lot of backlash in the muslim community. so dearborn is a place that has flipped dramatically. it's emblemmatic of the communities which were friendlier to george bush in 2004. don't be surprised that muslim americans and arab americans might go against joe biden. >> but do you see evidence that biden's standing with israel, our ally in the middle east -- >> actually, no. we talked about in the first two slides how it could hurt him in 2024. but if you look at his approval rating on his israeli policy, it's actually higher than his overall approval rating. his disapproval rating is considerably lower than his overall rating so the fact is, this may play one way in the arab and muslim communities but very, very differently in america as a whole. we'll just have to wait and see if that holds. >> you've heard that from democratic and republican lawmakers. initially coming together and supporting their obviously extremes but supporting what biden is doing and his support for israel. it's going to be a long war. thanks. "outfront" next, u.s. drones are now scouring gaza looking for any sign of the 241 hostages. next, we're going to talk to a father whose son is missing. plus, pete buttigieg responds to a rereport aboutut speakerer mi jojohnson's anti-gayay views. the u.s. military is flying drones over gaza in hopes of helping israel locate the 241 people still being held hostage by hamas, among them 26-year-old amman taken from his kibbutz where 59 people were killed. that attack was nearly one month ago tonight. his father, avi shamriz, joins me now. thank you for being here. have you heard anything about the idf about your son, 28 days in? is he confirmed among the kidnapped? >> unfortunately not. my son was kidnapped on 7 october. and we got only the first indication after ten days, after we brought the idf some messages from his neighbor claiming that somebody's kidnapping my son to gaza. and ever since then, the government and the idf give us an indication that he might be kidnapped. until now, we don't have any evidence he's there. >> i know i said it but 28 days it's been and the not knowing firmly -- does that make this even worse, somehow? >> it's worse and getting worse every day. because we are thinking for some indication, if he's alive, if he's injured. and nobody's giving us any indication. we ask many, many times the argentinian government to be involved, because my son is a citizen of argentina. they sent something to hamas, but even then hamas is not responding for anything. >> avi, what is your biggest fear for your son right now? >> well -- right now the idf, israeli military, is in attack in gaza. and i'm afraid that they might hurt him while they are coming in, in gaza. and he might be injured from that. for me, first take the hostages and all our children out. and then the government can do anything they want. but first, let's release all the hostages from there. >> fear of potentially hurting him while trying to help him and save him. so do you want to see a pause in the fighting to help get elon home, do you think it would help? >> i'm not a military guy, i'm just a citizen. i don't know if a pause is going to help or not. maybe, i don't know. maybe. maybe. i think it will be paused -- maybe the hamas will take over, and then they move the hostages from one place to another, and maybe right now they will now keep them in one place. so it might be an advantage for the hamas. i don't know. i don't know what to think. >> it's impossible. it's an impossible nightmare that you are caught in the middle of. alan managed to message your other son, jonathan, while hiding in a safe room. this is just moments before hamas took him. and you shared a little bit of what he wrote. he wrote, "they're coming toward our room. be quiet i'm telling the security forces what's going on. jonathan wrote, be strong, we love you. then the last message from alan before he went missing was a heart emoji. >> yes. alan is very, very tough guy. he's not somebody who will be afraid from the hamas. but this situation is very different from what we thought, ever. we never thought that 150 hamas terrorists will come to our village and start to massacre people. and alon, as much as he is mature, is not a child, he tried to protect his friend because his friend was knocking on his door and asking him to get out from the shelter room. so he doesn't want his friend to be injured. he went out. >> heroism in the face of everything, not even knowing what is going to happen. heroism, and still, no matter what, no matter how old he gets, he's still your boy. avi, thank you for coming on and speaking about your son. we'll continue to hope. thank you. >> thank you very much. 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