today and i want to ask you about what has been described as a pretty heated moment between you and judge carl nichols after there he ordered bannon to report to prison next month. you objected. obviously, you are as council and the new york times is reporting that judge nicholls responded in a way that let him, you know, he wasn't too thrilled with the response saying one thing i need you to learn as a lawyer is that when a judge has decided you do not get up and yell at them. look, i know you're an advocate for your client explain your reaction. >> were you surprised by his decision to order him to go to jail shocked by it. >> it goes against everything that he has said in this case. judge nicholas found substantial questions for the appeal, said twice at ben and should not be serving his time while the appeals process runs. the appeal process has not run. there's nothing about the panel decision that change that. judge nicholls said that the definition of willfully used in this case cannot be reconciled with the modern or traditional definition of willfully laura, i'm a big fan