Since the election . Not in person. Since the inauguration. Tell me what are people saying about him today. There are questions about, what exactly is going on inside the white house. What does the president do everyday . Is he is fully invested in the daytoday operations of governing as he needs to be . Why is he getting so distracted by cable news, still, and we are somebody months after he was inaugurated . The step . T there seems to be Something Different about him today than during the campaign. I had one person read the book and ask me, do you feel like he has lost a step since the campaign . Charlie you saw what people were willing to do. Katie they really connected with him. They thought he was somebody who would fight for them as opposed to politicians in washington who seemed to say one thing on the campaign trail and do another after they were elected. Donald trump was willing to say anything. He wasnt politically correct. He wasnt going to try and win their votes with empty promises. They believed washington to do what he said they would do. I would argue many of his supporters would stay with him commit because what they wanted more was the man and not the policy. Moneynt really have that policies. Charlie the iran deal. Katy yes. He wasnt nuanced. I was speaking to one man at a rally in asked, why do you like donald trump . He said, he is going to build the wall. I said, what if he doesnt . He said, its ok. I trust his judgment. Charlie didnt he say i could shoot somebody on 5th avenue katy and i still have my supporters. That is how they felt about him. They were rabidly enthusiastic about donald trump. Some would show it was not just the folks who went to the rally and the like they were unleashed in this space and can unleash their demons and can yell as loud as they could. They were free to be as crude as donald was being from the stage. It was people outside of the rallies, as well. Abel who would not necessarily advertise they were supporters. Wouldnt go around with a make America Great again hacks. Hat. Any of them we would talk to admit that they really like him and i dont think it is an easy thing to admit to my friends or neighbors. The polling, i would argue, wasnt as accurate as it normally would have been because people were going to say one thing and then they got into the voting booth all alone in that booth, and my producer and i imagine that a lot of folks would pull the lever for trump. Charlie one thing happening to you was being a Foreign Correspondent and coming back to new york and all of a sudden how would you like to follow donald trump . It changed your life. Katy it totally changed my life. I have moved to london, it is a big world and that is a dream job. You get to travel everywhere. Dream job. Dream job. The only job that i ever truly wanted. The only job that i said i would allow to take me out of new york city or even los angeles. Charlie did you come here for a visit . Katy i came here for a visit, i walked into the newsroom, you have to remind your bosses you were alive because overseas and can get slow. Nbc dropped donald trump. The Miss Universe pageant was dropped. They said we need to cover the story. Who is around . Someone said katy, she is just standing around. I was just standing around and i got the assignment of a lifetime. Charlie your book is about the craziest election in american history. Why was it crazy . Katy because he defied political gravity at every turn. He said things nobody else would be able to say in that position because he allowed other people to say things that they would never normally say. There were no rules for this campaign. There was no boundary. There was no taboo. There was no line that donald trump was not willing to cross. Charlie he was doing something right, obviously, because he won. Katy yeah. Charlie beyond the fact he had his own constituency. David brooks wrote this about him. It has to be admitted that he was doing exactly what he was elected to do. He never showed any interest in politics during the campaign. He was elected to shred the American Culture and give a voice to those who felt voiceless in that culture. Katy i thought about that in the book and who was a trump voter and how they might have been feeling. People who feel like they are screaming in a crowded room full of other people wearing these people whose food is full of chemicals, whose medicine cabinets are full of pills. The feeling that america had passed them by. They go into their local main street and the shots are boarded up. They are Big Box Stores instead of momandpop. The jobs had moved away. Charlie david also said this. What is troubling to me is those who are the target of his assault, the establishment, and. Those who are the targets of his assault seem to have no written i do no idea what was there is a sense in terms of the establishment. Katy if you pick up this book and read it, youll have a better understanding. It is easy to forget what happened on the campaign. It is easy to whitewash it in your brain and say it was just nothing but a political anomaly and can never happen again. And how dare donald trump come in and do things we cannot and not do the things we expect a president to do. Go back and read and get the daytoday of what happened. Charlie you suggest arts of the deal where he says i understand and feed peoples fantasies. Katy absolutely. Truthful hyperbole. Jimmy iselin said it best bre slin says he is good at convincing you he is special, that he is unique, and that he is the one who can do something that no one else can. He stood up on a podium and said, i alone can fix it. People bought into that because they bought into the idea of who donald trump was. The dealmaker, this unparalleled businessman, this savant when it comes to success. Part of the reason they bought into that is because his stint of his stint on the apprentice. Charlie tell me how that followed. Because he was a salesman . Katy because he was a salesman. He presented himself on the show as this ultimate businessman. He knew who would do well in any given job. They would say to me, he is going to hire the right people. How do you know . Because i saw him do it on the apprentice. He did a very good job holding the mythology around donald trump your he has always done this, charlie. You have known this for decades. He did this in the 80s and the 90s in new york with the tabloids. He sold himself. He would call up reporters and tell them she would sell them, donald trump cant lose. Charlie do you believe that . Katy i think they are one in the same. I think he believes what he is saying. Charlie do you think the reporters thought he would win . Katy no. Kellyanne conway was on at 5 45 rnc. Vember 8 blaming the this enthusiasm has got to show up and is not being captured correctly by the polls. Charlie it was a core belief. Katy i think he went on and off about whether or not he would win. Toward the end, i think he thought definitely he would not win because that is when you saw him go out and talk about the conspiracy theories with the big banks and Hillary Clinton, with the liberals in the media and other shady charlie he wanted to eliminate that he would protest the results if he didnt like them. Katy if he didnt like them. Yes. But he was that he himself up or he didnt win there was fraud. Charlie did he win the election or did she lose it . Katy i think there is a combination. It is hard to stay this close to it. I think you need a lot more distance from it. For as much as people liked donald trump, people hated Hillary Clinton. Charlie is the combination of his core supporters, he has had more than that so the political question for me is the more than that. Are they still with him . Katy that is a really good question. There are polls that indicate that could be breaking here and there. The people who held their nose and decided they wanted to vote for him because they did not like Hillary Clinton or thought she might be under federal investigation. Where do they stand . That is what we should be watching out for. I think it is very dependent on who the democrats put up for 2020. Charlie there is speculation. Somebody quoted im not sure if he said it but quoted that there was a 30 chance he would not survive his first term. Were people speculating on that . Talk of the 25th amendment katy when i asked folks in the world about what they think of donald trump, will he remain throughout this term, the question is generally i dont know. All options are in the air. I would be surprised if donald trump walked away from this willingly, just as i thought it was inconceivable that he would have walked away from the campaign willingly when the access Hollywood Tape broke, when everyones telling him to. I do not think he wants to be seen charlie steve bannon. Katy yeah. I do not think he wants to be seen as a loser or a quitter. I do not know if steve bannon was trying to fire a shot over the battle that says, listen, get on board with me. Get on board with who i think you should have in place in 2018 because if the democrats win the house you will be impeached. Charlie how did you go back to the campaign when you are signaled out . When he would holler through the crowd there is little katy tour in the back. Katy i remember thinking what is the point of this. I was the first corresponded to correspondent cover the campaign fulltime. I was the first person from a Mainstream Media outlet, from nbc news of all outlets, to say we think you are a serious political candidate. You are a player. You have a chance. He would see me at rallies for months before anyone else would show up. I was the only face he recognized in the crowd because other orders were not on that beat fulltime. He would often come back and talk to reporters after a rally and i would get my questions answered all the time. When he needed a media foil to represent the lying scum press he would call out, he knew i would be out there and he can safely say, i am back there. And everyone would be able to turn around and find me. There were times when it felt uncomfortable and threatening. Certainly the muslim ban day in south carolina. Charlie what happened that day . Katy december 7, 2015. A couple from San Bernardino went up and shot an office party. President obama gave a speech on terrorism and donald trump comes out and announces he wants a muslim ban. He is saying the Obama Administration is not vetting people properly. They are letting terrorists come in and your muslim neighbors are hiding them for you. They are out to get you and your lives are at risk. The majority of Republican Voters most feared being the victims of a terrorist attack. Donald trump would say the media is complicit because they are not reporting it and telling you the Obama Administration is not is being lax with the borders. And in this room of people who are waiting for donald trump to officially announce he does not want muslims to come into the country, this room of people who could not think it was a bad idea he starts going after the press. He says, little katy, she is back there. The whole room, thousands of people, turn around and yell at me at once. Stand on their chairs to boo me. They start pointing and calling me names. It was threatening. Charlie you are feeling what . Fear . Katy in the moment i thought to myself, smile and wave. So i smiled and waved. If they are intimidating you and think you are scared, it is worse. I did a live shot, another live shot, and there were stragglers that were waiting behind the press pad. My phone is blowing up with frantic messages from my mother hoping that i am safe. Messages from my bosses hoping the same thing and from fellow journalists on twitter coming to my defense. I finished my live shot and we thought it was a good idea to get out of there. A trump staffer finds me and says these guys are going to walk you out and it was two secret service agents. Charlie you wanted the answer to why doesnt he tell the truth. Why do you think he doesnt tell the truth . Katy the truth is not in his favor. Charlie in any way . So when he lies he doesnt know he knows he is lying . Katy i dont know how after all the time we corrected him that he can say america is the highest tax nation in the world. He is corrected in the moment and then he says things again. Charlie or he will say he read it somewhere. Katy im obviously not in his mind, but he has been corrected publicly a lot for a lot of the things he says, and he still says them. Charlie does he have selfdoubt at all . Katy it doesnt seem like he does. Charlie who has the capacity to say no to him today . Katy that is a good question. I think his kids have the capacity to say that. Charlie do you think they do say it . Katy i dont know. I am not in those rooms. Tom barrett said that he will say no to him. Charlie i think he will. I have known them for a while. Katy there are a few people in his orbit that have been there long enough to know how to relate to him on an honest level. I think he had a longtime buddy, he is no longer with him in the white house. Charlie general kelly, who now controls access to him, has done a disfavor to him because the president said people can come in and talk to him. It buoyed his spirit to be able to have that lose connection to people without a formal structure, without developing a gatekeeper for him. Katy the thing i can add about who can say no to him. What i noticed most about Donald Trumps world and those who are close to him and have a relationship with him is he inspires a lot of devotion. Charlie inspires or demands . Katy maybe both. When you ask a lot of the people that he is close with what do you think of when he does this, or do you think he is actually fit to be president , do you think he cares enough about policy, the answer i would give even in private is he is a wonderful man and he cares about this country and he will be great for this country. That was an almost unfailing answer from everyone and his world. I dont hope it is the demand or inspiration, but they feel that way. Charlie thank you for coming. Charlie dr. Gates, jr. Is here. He is one of the most respected africanamerican scholars. This season features many boldfaced names. Including larry david and Bernie Sanders. Here is a look. We match dna against anybody who has been in my series. If you have long identical stretches, that means your cousins. I have some cousins . Yes. I hope it is a good athlete. What the hell you are kidding. Oh my god. That is unbelievable is it true . It is true. That is so funny. That is really funny. That is amazing. Ok, cousin bernie. They talk about larry david and they say he does a better Bernie Sanders than i do. [laughter] charlie im glad to have you back. Dr. Gates, jr. nice to be back. Charlie Bernie Sanders and larry david are cousins. You never know what is hiding in your genome. This is the fourth season. Dr. Gates, jr. remember, it started in 2005. It was called African American lives and i wanted to do a 21st century version of alex haleys roots. I wanted to get a prominent africanamericans and trace their Family History back to the abyss of slavery. That is one records for black people when records for black people disappear. I wanted to find out what the group they were from in africa. I got oprah winfrey, chris tucker, quincy jones. It was an experiment and a big hit. Pbs asked me to do a sequel and we called it africanamerican lives 2. We did morgan freeman. Maya angelou. Charlie the idea with their lives would be more interesting to people . Dr. Gates, jr. viewers, real people want to look over the shoulder charlie they want to know about people and their families. Dr. Gates, jr. right. This is an archival form of gossip. Here is when the brands changed. I get a letter, charlie, i started getting all these letters from people. I got a letter from a russianjewish woman who says ive always admired your career and your stance on multicultural diversity. After watching two seasons of africanamerican lives i decided youre a big, fat racist because you only do black people. [laughter] my focus is africanamerican studies. I have studied that since i was 26 years old. Yale, or knelt, duke. I had to ask friends and pbs, can i expand the brand . We decided we would do that. Why wouldnt we share the fabulous experience with everybody . We did a show called faces of america. It was a fourhour experiment. I know how difficult black people, but how do you pick white people . And then what about asian people . Muslims . Catholics . I did what noah would do. Two of each. It was marvelously received and i was asked to do a weekly series. We changed the name to finding your roots. 50,000 years ago, all of your ancestors no matter what you look like today were wandering around or wandering out of east africa and that is a fact. Were over 99. 9 it is a fact that bill clinton loves to quote that we are 99. 9 identical. But in the name of the tiny little genomic difference, people enslaved people and wage wars. Im often asked why i do the series and the real reason is to deconstruct the perceived notion of race and biological difference to show that no matter what the law was, prohibiting shall we say comingling, fourtime immemorial for time immemorial, everybody was sleeping with everybody else. Sometimes it was in the case of slavery or rate, but other times it was not. One of the most interesting things i have learned was we have guests with three dna companies. The black people, none have ever been tested by us and i think very few by any of these dna companies who has been 100 subsaharan african. The average african is european. European. Because of slavery. Charlie slavery transported them to places in europe and the united states. Dr. Gates, jr. the slave trade to the new world and more specifically the united states. I always ask if they have africanamerican ancestors. My great, great grandma. High cheekbones. Almost none of them have native american ancestry. Some do. Valerie jarrett did. Oprah did. Chris tucker did. Charlie how do you do this . We take the dna and analyze it. M it will tell you in the case of usales the y dna you inherited from your mother area or mitochondrial dna, what you inherited from your mother, but your percentages over the last 500 years since the time of columbus of native american ancestry, european ancestry, subsaharan ancestry, and asian ancestry. And there could be 30 subdivisions. Charlie thats all well and good, but i want to know who was my great, great, great, great grandfather and who he married. Dr. Gates that is the first part of the series. Which is your genealogy and your family tree area the funny thing, i only realized when we were filming the first person in 2005 when i thought that African Americans would be moved more emotionally by discovering their african origins. I only discovered when the first guest broke down and cried when they saw the slave ancestors. What people really on to bond to emotionally was when they ask exactly what you said. Where was my great great great grandfather . What were they fleeing . Happy people do not migrate so what were they doing . Charlie how many were farmers . Am i royal . Oh, i am sure i was royal. [laughter] gates we are going to find out. Charlie it is the essential question for everyone. Who am i . Dr. Gates last year we had 3 Million Viewers a week. Why . I think because we have so much anxiety about the present and therefore the future that people want to take comfort from the past. You want to anchor yourself. How did i get here . What is terra firma for me . The ultimate terra firma, ultimately to find solid ground is within your self. You are carrying dna from each of the ancestors back six generations. 30 years per generation. That is everybody in your family tree from 180 years back. You are actually carrying dna from them. You are like a walking family tree. And then when you hear the stories, and nobody we have done hundreds of people no one knows anything. I used to think it was only black people who didnt know. White people, wasps dont know, jews dont know, muslims dont know. Charlie it is the reason children who have been adopted, even if they have loving parents, one to know. Dr. Gates we have the most amazing adoption story we have ever done. It was teo leoni. Leoni. Her mother was adopted as an infant in texas. Tea only told me this when they filter. They were arguing about being in the series for a year because the mother did not want to know. You cannot guarantee that we are going to find your birth mother and birth father. It is very, very difficult. We have a genealogical geneticist, the Sherlock Holmes of genealogy and she specializes in adoptees. To make a long story short, i said to tea, i promised you nothing but i warned you the best we can do is find out if your grandmother was of irish dissent or french for us cannot ashi jewish. I said please turn the page. She melted. She is looking at a woman, obviously not her mother, but her mother is a spitting image. I said you were looking at your biological grandma, and she wilted. Charlie can she find her biological mother . Dr. Gates no, she knows her mother. We were looking for teas mothers mother and father. We found the grandparents. We found the grandfather. Then she goes off because she just fell apart, as you can imagine. Then she comes back and she is still fighting back tears and she says, tell me about her. When did she die . I said, she didnt die. And then she fell apart again. Can you imagine . And then we found her mothers biological father who had passed on. The biological father is descended from a man who is the who was a nextdoor neighbor to george washington. Her six or seven grandfather. She had no idea. It was amazing. It is fabulous. Look at when we do janet mock. What moves them the most is not knowing where they are from in africa, it is knowing the names of their enslaved ancestors and, if youre lucky, the white people, sometimes black giving them dignity and finding out where their names come from. Because the overwhelming percentage of africanamericans took their names from some white person who owned them. Their ancestors. Charlie there was a ben affleck story. Affleck did not want you to disclose, and you didnt. Does that happen often . With that an isolated example of how someone comes and says this is embarrassing to me, whatever it might be . Dr. Gates it never happened since, and people know the rules. You cannot ask for something after it is filmed to not be disclosed. Charlie to stay with the idea, are people embarrassed . It is not all her rock or romantic. Someone thatt be is in their ancestry. Dr. Gates someone made a joke that my job is to make people feel better about their ancestors owning slaves. If i do your family tree in season five, if you have ancestors who owned slaves, im not going to make you feel bad about it. I am neutral. I am just reporting who your ancestors are. We had one person who was very proud of his japanese heritage. It turns out, he was not japanese, he was korean who was sent to japan to be educated and adopted a japanese identity and passed for japanese. And then, during world war ii, he was engaged by the nazis. He has a museum in japan. He was engaged to entertain german troops in europe. That is a very embarrassing thing. He had no idea. Carly simon is a dear friends, and i would tease her about her lips. Look at her lips you have something black about you. And she would laugh. I would control her i would cajole her, and finally she agreed area my partner is a human historian. That is crucial to the story. We asked carly what she knows. It turns out, her grandmothers name was shebee. It turns out, shebees great, great grandparents were free people of color. Shebee was cuban and 40 black. We found out that her greatgreatgrandparents were free people of color. They had been liberated slaves. We triangulate her dna. She was about 40 black, which means carlys mother is 20 black and carly is just under 10 black. 10 african. That is equivalent to the amount of dna you would inherent inherit from a greatgrandmother of full african ancestry. We never tested a white person as black as you. I cant wait to tell my sisters. [laughter] charlie this is on at what time . Dr. Gates 8 00 on tuesday night. Is this a phone . Or a little internet machine . It makes you wonder shouldnt we get our phones and internet from the same company . Thats why Xfinity Mobile comes with your internet. You get up to 5 lines of talk and text at no extra cost. So all you pay for is data. See how much you can save. Choose by the gig or unlimited. Xfinity mobile. A new kind of network designed to save you money. Call, visit, or go to xfinitymobile. Com. Charlie stories is a new film from noah baumbach. It discovers a manhattan family. It has received widespread praise. Here is the trailer. We could get the table last minute. That is why they give us this big of a table. I imagine they will send complimentary stuff, too. 55 for a steak. 35 for a salmon. Do you get a salmon to blow you for that price . I didnt realize you had two sons. And a daughter. It will be ok here. It will be nice to spend time with dad. I didnt get a lot of time with him growing up. Take all of the little birds and deep fry them. There are no little birds left anymore. They have eaten them all. You are going to meet a lot of interesting new people. You are on the list for the public viewing. Right now, this is the private viewing. She hears everything you are saying. I do not think i have ever seen gene run. Run, run, run [beeping] ow you kicked me in the shin. Charlie joining me now is the director and three of the actors. Noah baumbach is the writer and director. Dustin hoffman plays the family patriarch. Adam sandler is the oldest son. And Elizabeth Marvel is the daughter. I am pleased to have all of them here at this table. Great to have you. Tell us about this family. Noah Bank Something we always talked about in a way, dustin plays a sculptor. He is the father, harold, and it is a family where i feel like art has taken the place of religion. They all sort of look up to the artist and art as the hierarchy of what is success or fulfillment or happiness. Because harold has not had the success he hoped for, the happiness has not come with it. The story tells it is broken up into sections. We have the kids from his first marriage are played by adam and beth marvel. Then he left their mom and married another woman. Charlie and is off in l. A. Making a lot of money . Noah yes, he is. He is a Business Manager but not an artist. He has another sense of accomplishment because he went another way. The movie sort of documents how these adult siblings have kind of come to contend with this figure in their life. Charlie how did you see harold . How did you inhabit this patriarch . Dustin my father had a lot of patriarchal qualities. [laughter] dustin when we met, we started talking about our families. Not for attribution. But off the record, my fathers past his is still alive, so we have to be judicious. Charlie you reached into your own understanding of your father and how he was . Dustin yes, this whole idea of success and failure. What constitutes success . What constitutes failure as an artist . In other words, you can fail as an artist, theres history of it, van gogh, whoever. And it has nothing to do with the depths or qualities of it. Even finance all success. Dustin yes. Charlie tell me what you wanted to do here . You have these interesting actors playing the dynamics of a family. This is not a new subject for you. What happens within families seems to be your noah i do not know exactly what brought me back to it except i am interested in also family mythologies and how families, starting with the parents, invent a kind of mythology. Either consciously or unconsciously. In this case, it is about what makes a true artist. But all families do it to some degree. As the kids grow up and they go out in their own lives, they become their own personal mythologies, which sometimes they dont even realize. I think a lot of growing up is kind of is almost unlearning some of this charlie learning the relationship or the impact of the parent on the child . Noah yes and unlearning what they have been taught. They almost dont realize they believe what they believe. In this case, it is about what constitutes success. Is it adams character is a frustrated musician who never pursued it but was clearly talented, but was a wonderful father. Because that is not valued, parenting is not valued in the family, he feels like a failure. But he has an amazing daughter. He has clearly done an incredible job. By another familys standards, he would be an incredible success. This character makes a lot of money and is a successful as his as a bank manager but is not an artist. Charlie by the values he has learned, he is not successful. And what about jean . Elizabeth that is a great question. To me, it is so interesting because we were saying what you when you are making, you are a mole in the dirt and just in it. Then you get to this point in the process where everyone is talking about it and you are looking objectively at it and you start to see all these things that are not just coming on instinct. Jean is very interesting because i think she did not suffer from the pressure of her fathers gaze because she was not seen. She does not have that measuring stick enforced on her because she left and created a world for herself. Safe and joyful in jeans land. And yet, he did do enough of a job that we all come home. We all come home for dinner, we all still love each other. That is something. That is not nothing. Charlie that is not nothing at all. Did you see these actors in your mind when you were writing this or did you write the characters then look around and say noah it started actually with ben and i had done two movies previously. I had an idea. I was thinking about adult siblings. Adam reached out to me a few years earlier and said if you ever have anything, which many actors will say and then years later you will send them something, sorry i just didnt respond. [laughter] noah thanks, i cannot wait for you to offer me again. [laughter] charlie i spent all his money i have. [laughter] adam was true to his word. Ben, adam, and i had lunch a few years ago and talked about what became we did not know what it was. We talked about a lot of things, our lives, but all i left with is there should be a physical fight between ben and adam at some point. Charlie you have no interest in making an action adventure thriller . [laughter] Charlie Dustin as a killer. [laughter] noah we could probably come up with something really good right now. Dustin we should do 007. Noah that was cast incorrectly. [laughter] charlie in a sense, there is those personalities and those skills that they each had . That has seeped into your brain because you are talking about it. Noah yes, i did have adam and ben in mind. Although when i first showed the script to people, the first few people all assumed the other actor was playing the other part. Charlie you thought you were playing bens character . Adam i tell you, i read it and then i would have to go back to the beginning. He said im danny . I could see myself playing bens parts. Both parts are pretty great. It was just a mans vision and i was danny. Charlie do you feel like when you play a character like danny, you are working with some muscles that you do not normally use or havent always used . Adam yes. That idea,d you like i would assume . Adam yes. I can see somebody who can act like this. Charlie in your terminology, you can drive and throw a threepointer. [laughter] charlie just wait and i will show you. Adam i want to be on the same team with you, charlie. Charlie because i am from North Carolina and went to duke. [laughter] charlie he thinks everyone who went to duke plays basketball. Adam exactly. Charlie all of this is about the tension within the family, all of whom have this value code about the primacy of art and intelligence. Also, noah and then also, what is your role as a child . As a grown child, what is the responsibility . It might give it away, but later in the movie, harold ends up in the hospital. Sort of like what happens if you have these complicated feelings about your parent. One character is actively rejecting the parent and then suddenly you cant get angry at him. He is in this very vulnerable state. Because of that, things change in the second half of the movie. And also, it is two sets of families. We have jean and danny from one mom and then matthew from the other. They all come together. They have not been together in the movie until this third section. Charlie was the beard your idea . Dustin no. Nothing is my idea. [laughter] charlie you are an actor. You do what they tell you. Charlie the first thing he said. Dustin start growing it now. [laughter] noah i imagined harold with a beard, but also i felt i wanted to change dustins face. I asked you if you ever had the beard in a movie and i think you said lenny was maybe the only time and this was a different kind of beard. You said it changed how you felt about yourself, how you played the parts, having the beard. Dustin i think a lot of what you do as the director and a friend, as long as i have known you, is you do not really know consciously why you make certain decisions, which is quite wonderful. And i think after i was wearing it, particularly after i had seen it, it is his pretensions to prove that he is an artist. I think that was in your charlie his pretension to prove he is an artist. Dustin yes. Not consciously he wants everyone to know he is an artist. Not consciously, but i think he wants to be known and respected in a way that hed never happened. Charlie do you ever want to stand up and say adam i have been doing it again. I have been running around putting something together. I book shows and that way i have to go to the improv and other great clubs. Stop by and try to do stuff. Charlie do they react to the characters you played in movies . Adam usually, i get a nice response because the audience has in some of my stuff. But i try to shut that down and try to get to the stuff i want to talk about or try out. Charlie punch drunk love is dustin punch drunk love is the first time i saw adam do noncomedy. I did not know him. I called him up and said i do not think you are aware of what a wonderful character you do. You can do someone who is bipolar at least. I thought it is very good work. Charlie congratulations to all of you. Nice to see you always. Alisa i am Alisa Parenti in washington. Saying that tehran is not living up to the spirit of the nuclear deal, President Trump refuses to recertify the nuclear accord. He laid out the administrations new plan for iraq, which for a ron, which lays out a more strict stance on them. Pledges his administrations both support for religious organizations, the first sitting president to address the values voters summit promising to return to traditional american values