Sen. Kaine i was with senator corker and others of this review act that the past 981 in the senate. When a deal is done that touches on the congressional sanctions congress has the ability to weigh in and approve or disapprove the deal with respect to the sanctions. Now that the deal has been announced, the president wants to waive forces and congressional sanctions for some time. The deal gets presented to congress and we take 60 days to review beginning in the Senate Foreign relations committee, the committee of jurisdiction. We have a set of hearings to prepare for this day educating ourselves about what is a good inspections regime, etc. Over the next 60 days, we will have a new set of hearings between now and recess. There is a chance we will work more during recess, certainly hearing from constituents, administration officials, allies around the globe, and others. Then congress can act and we can do one of three things. We can pass approval which approves the president ial actions. We can pass a resolution of disapproval which, if not vetoed, or if its overridden that disapproves any relief under the congressional sanctions. Or we can take no action and thats defined as an approval allowing the congressional sanctions relief to go forward. We have a lot of hearings. We will decide as a Foreign Relations committee and as a senate other we will approve disapproval, or take no action. Charlie and the role of the house . Sen. Kaine they will undertake the same steps. The reason for that, charlie, is this. If this were a treaty under the constitutional definition it would take a vote in the senate a two thirds margin and the house would have nothing to do it. This is not a treaty legally requiring two thirds vote and thats a good thing because it would not be right to cut the house out. The congressional sanctions that have brought iran to the table were constructed by the house, too. Both will be weighing in. I think a lot of people have just predicted the house, based on how its composed, and since it has a simple majority vote requirement that so many will come out right away and say they are against it. The resolution of disapproval as a higher likelihood in the house. In the senate, we set up a 60day review process for a reason area there no reason to come out and immediately declare. Ask the tough questions and make the decision about whether this is in the best interest of America National security. Charlie there are lots of senators who have not announced what theyre going to do. Understandably they say they want to see the bill and hear the testimony. Principal among them is senator Chuck Schumer who is said to be a crucial vote in all of this because of his leadership of the senate. Sen. Kaine absolutely. Let me tell you the dynamic that i see right now and then i would love to maybe talk about the substance, things i see that i like and questions i have. On the dynamic, i think its important we take the time to dig into this and get it right. What was have a name, and the reason we wrote the review act frankly congress was kind of blundering in writing threatening new sanctions in the middle of the negotiation which even is really leadership in a military leadership said, hold on. Then it could blow up because of your bad faith rather than iranian action. The letter of 47 to the leader of iran theres a lot of things that are not the coming the body and our institutional role. We wrote this act to give us an expedited path 60 days is not long. Those were giving a snap judgment i think are doing the wrong thing. The president issued a snap judgment that this is a historic mistake. Later, they concluded the interim negotiation was actually significantly better than the status quo. Charlie clearly the president feels strongly about this, that he has to make the case. You saw that in the way he introduced and announced it on tuesday or wednesday. You saw that yesterday when the president had his press conference. He seems to be very interested in explaining the deal. The president believes this is the deal, the only deal, that will prevent them from having a Nuclear Weapon other than military action. Sen. Kaine he does believe that. That mistake but i see in the deal thats positive and then tell you where i have questions. The positive, iran had nearly 20,000 centrifuges and they are disabling two thirds of them under this deal going to 6000. They had 10,000 kilograms of uranium and they are degrading the enrichment percentage and knocking the quantity down to 300. They are giving up 97 of their stock pile. They had a plutonium reactor to in iraq that they stop that in no they will completely moth ball and dismantle it here and there were not allowing the community any inspections to determine what theyre doing under this deal they agreed to inspections for 10 coveted teen, 20 years. In some issues under this iaea wrote a call forever. If you look at where we were before diplomacy and after this deal, you see there is a significant change of the administration has been able to achieve. Charlie, even the critics kind of acknowledge this. The critics who were saying two and half years ago that iran was in months of becoming a Nuclear Threshold state now theyre complaining about the deal because they say under the deal iran might get a Nuclear Weapon in year 15. Even the criticism and knowledge is that the status quo ante. That is why i think the president feel so strongly about the deal. It has achieved these ends and no one else has advocated a plan that would have achieved those concessions. Over to the flipside, this is why we have the review. Thisll thing depends upon whether the verification regime the inspections regime gives us the ability to determine if iran is meeting your obligations or if they are cheating in trying to move toward nuclear breakout. They have a history of trying to cheat and hide things from the International Community with respect to their nuclear program. You will probably see the main energy, the main spotlight, in this 60 days are peoples efforts to really try to determine whether the inspections regime is sufficient enough to catch cheating or move toward a nuclear breakout. Charlie many people say the thing that workout is not the inspection of existing sites but they worry about the covert. Sen. Kaine frankly, thats the worries. There are existing sites, the uranium sites. There was the heavy water plutonium reactor under construction. All of us believe look, if iran were going to break to a weapon they would not do it at the existing sites being inspected. They will do this in a covert program. It was very important, as the white house said, to try to cut a path under all of these uranium, plutonium, but especially covert path. The inspections regime, as it is described in the talking points, we are going to the agreement to see if it matches. This is an inspections regime that can go anywhere. It will be the subject of a lot of analysis. No way will they go into Iranian Military facilities. If they kept that, the deal would have completely fallen apart because thats a nonstarter. Now there is the possibility to do inspections anywhere but you have to get advance notice. If he iranians object, theres a committee basically the p5 plus one saying we agree or do not agree. What is being reported is that process from we want to inspect to going in could take as much as 24 days. We need to ask what that means. In 24 days they could clean up evidence that there was Nuclear Material and completely obscure . Or will they say Nuclear Material leaves a footprint with a halflife so if they were using materials and you got in 24 days later, you would definitely know if they were doing something contrary to the agreement. These are the kind of Technical Details we have to dig into on the committee. Again, the good agreement is still not good enough is the inspections regime if it is not robust enough. That is where a lot of the focus will be. Charlie heres what it sounds like to me. You heard what the administration said. You are in the process of reading it. If it delivers what the Administration Says you would be inclined to support it. Sen. Kaine i will put one more caveat on it. You are close. When the framework was announced, it had many of these components and concessions of 98 enriched uranium and two thirds centrifuges. I said if theres a final deal that is an essential match of that framework and there is an inspections regime robust enough to make sure that those commitments can be verified, yes, i think that can be in the best interest of American National security. There are two things im doing right now. Im going through the 100 plus pages and appendices to see if the details match and im doing independent work, as are my colleagues, to determine whether the inspections regime is sufficient. Those are the two questions im digging into. Charlie do you believe there are members of congress now inclined not to support this but seeing the evidence as described by the president because the president firmly believes this will prevent iran from getting a Nuclear Weapon do you believe that people are prepared to listen to the testimony, listen to the administration, listen to the experts, and vote for this . Thats a possibility . Sen. Kaine very good question. My answer is i sure hope so. I would hate to think on a matter this important people make a snap judgment or pronouncement before even reading the deal and they are uninterested in the details. My one bit of evidence that gives me some hope that may be true is you saw a whole lot of members of Congress Come out against the interim investigation when it started in november 2013. Iran that everything they wanted, america lost. A lot of statements were made out of the gate who have subsequently said, you know what . Actually the interim was significantly better than what he had before. We had a series of hearings in the Foreign Relations committee and ive asked every witness hawk, dove, everything in between has this in significantly better than the status quo ante before diplomacy started . Without exception everyone has said yes. Charlie because of the way the process was written, do you expect it to be an agreement that will go into effect . Sen. Kaine it is appropriately deferential to the white house. Remember the white house was taking the session we dont want to have any congressional review because these statutes themselves give the president a unilateral ability to waive or suspend the sanctions. The president said, i dont need a vote of congress. Well, those of us who thought that was wrong said you might not under the existing sanctions statue but we will pass a new law that gives you the ability to conduct the pharmacy to get the best deal you can but sets up an appropriate congressional review if you decide you want to waive or suspend. We put a hurdle in the president s place that was not there before. If the president gets over that hurdle, the deal will go forward. Down the road, remember what iran wants is for the sanctions to be eliminated not just waived or suspended. Congress has to affirmatively vote in both houses to dismantle the statute. There are some provisions in the deal that iran does not have to implement for some years down the road as they test the compliance of the p5 plus one with respect to sanctions relief. Charlie senator tim kaine from virginia, thank you so much. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Charlie paul rudd is here, the star and cowriter of marvels new feature antman, following scott lange whose power comes in the force of a suit who can shrink him to microscopic size. Here is the trailer. Charlie paul rudd is here, the star and cowriter of marvels new feature antman, following scott lange whose power comes in the force of a suit who can shrink him to microscopic size. Here is the trailer. Scott, ive been watching you for a while now. Youre different. Dont let anyone tell you that you have nothing to offer. Second chances dont come around all that often. I suggest you take a really close look at it. This is your chance to earn that look in your daughters eyes, to become the hero she already thinks you are. Its not about saving our world. Its about saving theirs. Scott, i need you to be the antman. Huh. One question is it too late to change the name . Charlie im pleased to have paul rudd back at the table. Is the guy who created Marvel Comics still alive . Paul stan lee. Hes still alive and hes in the film. Charlie iron man, antman. Paul the avengers, thor captain america, hawkeye scarlet witch. Charlie are you a big fan of the comics . Paul i never grew up as a fan boy. I had some comics, but i didnt really get into it too much. Charlie im exactly where you are but i have grown to appreciate what they mean to our culture. Paul absolutely. Also the last couple of years ive played catchup and i really see the appeal. Charlie is it blackandwhite . Paul good versus evil, you know charlie blackandwhite. Paul the same thing as star wars and all of those epic tales. Charlie and interesting characters. Tell me about this one. Paul i play a guy named scott lang whose he and in prison and winds up stealing the antman suit. Im not the original antman. The original antman is hank pym played by michael douglas. He creates a particle, the pym particle, that enables a person to shrink. Charlie taking advantage of being able to shrink . Paul you are able to shrink but still retaining the strength of a human being. And also the ability to talk to ants. It sounds silly when i described it. [laughter] charlie yes, it does. Talking to ants is important. Paul they are everywhere. So no matter what, you have an army at your back and call. Charlie could you make them larger than life . Theres also an adversary, a protagonist. Paul corey stoll. Charlie and he wants to take the any suit and use it for nefarious ends . Paul he was hanks protege and he knew the dangers it could possess if it got into the wrong hands. Hes gone off the hands a little bit and has developed a similar kind of serum and is trying to sell it to the highest possible bidder. He comes up with a Yellow Jacket suit. Charlie peyton reed says hes more like George Clooneys character danny ocean. Hes trying to create a new life for himself and find redemption after a life of crime. Paul thats right. The great motivation in his life is his daughter. He has to pay Child Support and he wants to go straight and narrow. Its hard to find work with his record even though hes a very bright guy and he stole from a corporation to pay back the people they were stealing from kind of a robin hood. Charlie you have no time off for the next five years. I read some of the things you have to do. [laughter] paul what are they . Please tell me. It depends on how this goes and i already shot captain america 3. I dont the gets really been done on this scale before the marvel universe. All of these movies do culminate in big things like avengers 3. Its called the marvel cinematic universe. The mcu. Charlie are you doing other things other than the marvel cinematic universe . Paul i have always tried to go backandforth between smaller interesting things. Hopefully here the next few years i will have some time to do other things. Charlie when a director says get me paul rudd, what do they mean . Paul matt damon wasnt available. Charlie you get a writing credit. Do you want to direct . Paul seth rogen and some of those guys, jason segel, a lot of the guys ive worked with in the past its something we are all very interested in. I could see direct and down the road. Charlie what dont you do that you would like to do . Paul golf. Charlie you like golf . Paul i dont know. I dont play it. Charlie the people who play it seemed to be obsessed. Paul no matter where you go you can always do it. Charlie youve got a lifetime. Paul i was feeling its like violin. Is it too late . Did i miss the boat . Charlie or like piano. Paul i look at a piano, guitar, violin and i say i know the sound its capable of making but its just so frustrating. Charlie you can do drama, comedy, whatever they ask. Cant you . Paul i would like to attempt to do whatever they asked. I do think drama and comedy are not that different. A lot of what i focus on his character and whats happening to the character. Charlie is that true for you . Paul but Something Like anchorman which is a cartoon you get a little bit more leeway. Im not trying to play it where he character thinks whats going on is funny. People describe me as a comedian but ive never done standup. I actually studied theater. This whole thing with a career in comedy came about around the time of anchorman. When we were shooting 40yearold virgin early on steve and i would have conversations. I would hope the studio is not regretting the decision because i dont plan on playing this like a zany jim carreytype performance. Its a very different. I think thats why the production got shut down after the first week for a few days before they were concerned. Charlie because he was not jim carrey. Paul they said he seemed like a serial killer. We even put that in the movie later on. [laughter] charlie did they change anything . Paul they changed some of his wardrobe. I think it was just not what they were expecting. Then we got on the same page a little bit. There were a you days where we did not show up to set because it was very touch and go. He was playing the reality of it character and i relate to it. Charlie what are you doing on netflix . Paul theres eight episodes. This was a movie wet hot american summer and this is a prequel. Charlie what happened before . Paul whats going on with andy . This was a movie about, gosh, 15 years ago or so amy poehler and bradley cooper, his first movie, elizabeth banks, a huge cast. It was not a hit at the time but it developed a cult following over the years. All of us have returned to do eight episodes. The movie took place on the last day of camp. Charlie amy, you, bradley . Paul elizabeth banks. Janeane garofalo, jon hamm. Charlie jon hamm . Where did you go to school in england . Paul i did a semester at the British AmericanDrama Academy at oxford. I went to the American Academy of dramatic arts and after i i went to the American Academy of dramatic arts and after i graduated from there i did this program all just shakespeare. Charlie suppose you were a teenager just ourt of high school. What would you do if you wanted to be the greatest actor you could possibly be . Would you go to certain kinds of schools . Are schools important . Is it more important just to get work . Paul thats exactly what i myself teenager. I learned about this school, the American Academy of dramatic arts. I saw all of the people who had graduated from there and i wanted to follow the route that all of the actors i admired went. Classical theater, live in new york. For me, it was just about trying to get as the opportunities as i could to work. Charlie what was the end goal . Paul to work on things. I wanted to have a career as an actor make a living doing everything i love. I did not want to be famous to be famous. Charlie did you want to be a star . Paul i loved movies. I really love performing on stage in dramatic plays. I just wanted to do it for a living. If i go into a silly dance, people tell me im good. They laughed. I got approval. I think that just manifested itself into this career. Charlie did you watch other people, talk to directors . You have to create something in the end thats uniquely you. Paul we are all uniquely us. I remember reading a quote once from groucho marx. Dont try to work on who you are. Try to work on creating an image. The image will inform it. I see things that other actors do that just me out. How do they do it . Part of what knocks me out is its them that did it. Charlie the same way where people who do hamlet. Most of them are reluctant to watch other hamlets because they dont want to be influenced. Paul i will see thunderbolt moments in movies where i actually remember and its not even so much entire performances but moments. It is just so quick and little where he almost cries and brings it back. A moment of Timothy Spall in secrets and lies. I remember these moments and they become important things that i think about when im working on movies. I dont try to imitate them. Charlie who is a career that you admire . Paul Daniel Day Lewis shows of every few years, does something incredible, then lives his life. Hes my favorite. Charlie the power of the performances . Paul hes just so good. As far as whos done it right, i always go back to paul newman. He was a guy who gave so many towering performances in so many fantastic films and yet gave more than he got. Charlie its about living life. Paul he was very good at his job and he loved his job. I came here and i was picked up and driven here. And wearing this suit that i did not pay for. I have someone put makeup on my face and im here to talk about a movie i was in. Its important to remember 99 of the world does not care. [laughter] we remember that. Put it in its place. When you look at that and see what it is you should do, charlie children help you realize that, too. Paul absolutely. I work with some hospitals and couple of charities. Its the best. Its the best grounding thing. Not to mention i have two of my own. It really does hold up a mirror. Charlie antman opens in theaters july 17th. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Charlie in 1971, a Stanford University professor gathered 24 student volunteers to partake in what became the infamous stanford prison experiment. They sought to understand the psychology of imprisonment by recreating life in jail. It asked some of the most fundamental questions about human nature. Are we inherently good or evil . Do we all have the capacity to act with cruelty towards one another . The planned experiment was cut short after six days due to its damaging effect on the participants. The controversial study is now the subject of a feature film and here is the trailer for the film. Would you rather be a guard or a prisoner . Probably a guard. Prisoner. Prisoner sounds like it would be less work. Prisoner. Whys that . Nobody likes guards. Good afternoon. This experiment will be an extension of my research on to the effects prisons can have on human behavior. You will be pleased to know you have been chosen to be the Prison Guards but under no circumstances whatsoever are you to physically assault the prisoners in any way. Remember just as you are watching the prisoners, my graduate staff and i will be watching you. Gentlemen, were going to have ourselves a lot of fun. Rule number one, remains silent. This is the exercise period. Is it me or are they taking this entirely too seriously. Why dont you give me 20 pushups . You address me as mr. Correctional officer. This might be an interesting two weeks after all. Why dont you make up your bunk . I did, mr. Correctional officer. Thats not what i see. What are you doing . What was that . Youre not supposed to hit them. Should we step in . Let the guards figure it out to see how it goes. They wont let you go. This is real. They wont let us leave. Those are not prisoners. Those are not subjects. They are boys and youre harming them. Let me out of here. I want out. You thought you were going to get some playtime in the yard . You thought thats what this was going to be . I had no idea it would turn out this way. Charlie joining me now is dr. Philip zimbardo, billy crudup who plays the doctor in the film and the director kyle alvarez. How much does the film in your judgment bear towards reality . Dr. Zimbardo it mirrors the experiment almost entirely. Physically is identical. They sent a crew down to the stanford basement adela thing thats added as they raged at the sets of they could lift the ceiling of the back doors off so the camera could code down and look into the cell. The actual experiences were identical to what happened in the study with the exception of the squeezing six days into two hours. There were a lot of things even more dramatic they could not fit in. Charlie what did you hope to prove, establish, or discover . Dr. Zimbardo to what extent is our sense of moral conscience, morality, something fixed and permeable regardless of the situation . Is it modifiable or even corruptible when we put in unfamiliar situations. Charlie is the answer that it is modifiable . Dr. Zimbardo modifiable incorruptible if you give them power, Unlimited Power validated in particular sense. Charlie whats happening . Given the ability to have Unlimited Power to be corruptible is it simply human nature that you lose your moral principles if you are unrestrained . Dr. Zimbardo also if you are in a setting or that it comes as an acceptable way to function. Were looking at extremes but its no different than people who become managers, play roles in mental hospitals. Our guards are mirrored and high school teachers, mental hospitals, summer camps. Its not everybody. In all the research ive done is the majority of people who step across that line from good to evil. Charlie whyd you limit to six days . Dr. Zimbardo it was out of control. Each day, a prisoner had in emotional breakdown. Day after day, the guards were becoming ever more sadistic and brutal. The reason i ended it, and this is not in the film, i invited my girlfriend down whos a psychologist. We do started to live together. She was going to be a professor at berkeley. She saw the abuse it happened every night at 10 00 p. M. When the guards took the prisoners to the toilet, the last toilet run with bags over their head. I look up and up for me its to check on the toilet run. I have now become the prison superintendent. I could see suffering and had no effect. She starts tearing up. We have this big argument as she runs out. We are having this argument by the fountain and she just says i dont understand how you could see the suffering i see and not be upset. They are boys and you are responsible. If this is the real you, i dont think i want to continue this relationship. Up this point i said, oh my god. Charlie how did you find the movie you wanted to make . Kyle it had been kicked around but you had heard about the script. People loved that were just unfilmable or never got made and this was just one of them. When i had the opportunity to read it and they were looking for a director to bring it back up again. I have been familiar with the experiment but on a very surface level. To the degree that i have never taken a psychology class before. I knew it was at stanford. When i read the script i thought a lot of it must have in embellished. I do the research and all of it really happened including down to the scenes youre describing with your girlfriend up a time wife, bringing all of that into the movie. I wanted to create a film with that experience where you dont believe and just sort of question how much could really happen. I think it is just so profound and it has stayed within our culture for so long to try to make a film that had that justice area and we do not need to embellish around it. We have to make it cinema. Charlie was it the story or the character that interested you the most . Billy youre part of this piece that is socially relevant. If you are not generating your own material you count on the people who are generating it to kind of curate your life. What he said before about his own experience in the process of losing himself, that was incredibly intriguing to me. A person who is a trained psychologist, a phd, someone capable of understanding how the human mind works in lost in the situation he created for others is a fascinating and to begin to investigate. Charlie the challenge as an actor. Billy had you portray and manifest that level of confusion . That level of blindness . Watching the destruction of the psychology of these young boys and not registering the humanity. Without becoming nefarious without becoming a villian showing the humanity and all of our abilities to be cruel at times. I think thats a worthy endeavor. Charlie this is where you are questioning in laying down the roles of the experiment for the volunteer guards. Here it is. I am dr. Zimbardo and welcome to orientation. You will be pleased to know that you all have been chosen to be the Prison Guards in this study. That choice was made based on the exemplary qualities that you all demonstrated during your interviews. Good for you. This experiment will be an extension on my research on to the effect that prisons can have on human behavior. Its summer in the school is almost empty so we should have near complete privacy for this. As you will soon see, we have cleared out some of the teachers offices and converted them into prison cells. The hallway will serve as the prison hallway. Remember just as youre watching the prisoners, my graduate staff and i will be watching you. Under no circumstances whatsoever for you to hit, physically assault the prisoners in any way. You will all be given sunglasses and uniform scattered them a sense of a unified, singular authority and a uniform to give them a sense of singular authority. They will be able to leave except on their established reasons. You should never refer to this as a study or experiment again. Charlie there are the limitations of the experiment. What were they . Dr. Zimbardo it was clear after the first day i had to enforce no physical abuse. I had to make explicit. The guards had symbols of power, billy clubs, handcuffs. If you touch the prisoner with your club its the same as hitting them. If you abuse that, we take you out of the study, but he did not limit psychological abuse. That is what the guards slip into. The more subtle thing is they created an environment of learned helplessness. A guard would tell a joke, the prisoner would laugh, they would punish them. The prisoners did not know what to do so they ended up doing nothing. Charlie the best part of what you discovered, the passiveness. Dr. Zimbardo it was zombielike. The other thing that happened was prisoners who could not deal with the guards abuse began to have breakdowns. None of the other prisoners gave in support. When the prisoner left, they vanished. Nobody ever talked about it. It was a really strange kind of anonymity that was created. We tried to make them individuated by having numbers instead of names, but in their minds they furthered that. They lost respect for each other as well as for themselves. Charlie is there natural instinct to be in favor of the prisoners . Kyle the audience . You read the material the first time in your field bad for the prisoners. You read it again and start learning about it and to me some of the most interesting exit interviews were the guards at saying now im aware of what i can capable of doing. I know im capable of causing this harm that i did not know i had the ability to do. To me, trying to create a film that its course has sympathy for the prisoners but a certain amount of empathy for the guards go through as well is a challenging thing to ask of the audience. Charlie where are you . In performances you tend to get a great review. Is it building towards anything that is an ambition for you . Billy this is the pinnacle of my ambition to be in formidable material that asks a lot of the audience, is provocative, and gives me a part to exercise things i had not had a chance to do before. Im not terribly smart so to play a smart guy was exercising something new. Theres complexity in dr. Zimbardo at this moment with heightened stakes, an attempt to try to quantify and become an academic around whats becoming a very emotional experience. It was hard to compartmentalize all those things. I have not had the opportunity to do that. I have played a lot of complicated characters. None quite like this. Charlie you have compared what happened there to the kinds of psychological impact you see in this experience at abu ghraib. Dr. Zimbardo that was such a stain on americas image abroad where a bunch of Army Reservists and military police on the night shift at abu ghraib abused prisoners for three months. We know that because they took pictures. Charlie they took their own selfies. Dr. Zimbardo there are thousands and we saw not even the worst. What happened was the lawyer for one of the guards contacted me essentially saying this pictures i like your prison study. Guards putting bags over the head, would you like to be an Expert Witness for my client. And i said no, hes guilty. What he did was horrific. But the said if i did i would have access to all of the investigative reports and i could not resist. I got to know everything there was to know about abu ghraib. I read all 300 pages. I have chapters in my book about it, the lucifer effect. I was able to say at his courtmartial the trial as chip frederick said hes guilty as charged but the situational defense should mitigate the severity of the sentence. They wanted to give him 15 years hard time and they reduced it to eight and reduced then to four years. So hes guilty but what i showed was every single one of the nine guards on the night shift in these terrible things. Not a single guard on the day shifted. How come . Military intelligence said we want your guards on the night shift to take off the gloves, to use that euphemism, to prepare prisoners for interrogation. Then they will give actionable intelligence, thats the phrase. In three months, no military Intelligence Officer of a went down to the dungeon. They say do whatever you want. No surveillance. No oversight. Day by day they did worse and worse things. It was created evil. Lets pile them up naked in a pyramid. They did that and take a picture. The next night, lets have a masturbation contest. Each night got more and more extreme until finally it was exposed. Charlie back to the film, what you hope i walk away from . Kyle i did not want a film positioning itself telling you what its about. The conversations that can be had around the experience are so broad that it can mean so much to so many people. I did not want to make a didactic film showing you where to look. I wanted to make an objective film that shows this is what happened these six days. Watch it. We learn very little back story is so i hope and engages conversation and i hope it leads people to the source materials the book, the documentary. I also hope it works as cinema and entertainment, quote unquote. Billy july 17 in new york and los angeles. Kyle and the week afterwards elsewhere. Charlie thank you for joining us. See you next time. Announcer brilliant ideas, powered by hyundai motors. The contemporary art world is vibrant and booming as never before. Its a 21st century phenomenon, a Global Industry in its own right. Brilliant ideas looks at the artists at the heart of this artists with a unique power to astonish, challenge, and shock push boundaries, ask new questions, and see the world afresh. In this program, luke jerram