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on the daily t. you've got the name of your podcast, that's the basic - of your podcast, that's the basic thing. but, the last episode of newscast with me, chris and laura in the incredibly hot spin room in nottingham after the bbc one prime ministerial debate. now that you've had a chance to sleep on that moment of momentous television, what do you think? i of momentous television, what do you think? ., ., , ,, ., ~ think? i thought it was sunak unleashed. _ think? i thought it was sunak unleashed. he _ think? i thought it was sunak unleashed. he found - think? i thought it was sunak unleashed. he found his - think? i thought it was sunak i unleashed. he found his mojo, think? i thought it was sunak - unleashed. he found his mojo, only five weeks too late possibly more than a year too late. i've seen so many tories that think why could he have not bought that passion to the campaign trail before now? starmer, a lot more cautious as expected. for me, with one thing that was interesting i was live blogging it for the ft last night, sol interesting i was live blogging it for the ft last night, so i had audio but it wasn't watching it as i was typing. and it really felt to me like rishi sunak won the debate on the substance. i was surprised when i saw the yugo of snap poll that described it is absolutely neck and neck. other politicians as to what's happening afterwards, those who were critical of sunak, they said it was partially his manner, it was arrogant schoolboy, he was smarmy, his interrupting in his demeanour was off—putting. it was interesting that i hadn't picked that up just by listening to it not watching it. the campaigning had david cameron pumped up campaigning had david cameron pumped up and _ campaigning had david cameron pumped up and let— campaigning had david cameron pumped up and let lively the final week of the campaign in 2015i remember going toa the campaign in 2015i remember going to a random _ the campaign in 2015i remember going to a random village hall in dorset on the _ to a random village hall in dorset on the last— to a random village hall in dorset on the last sunday of the campaign which _ on the last sunday of the campaign which actually was where patty ashdown lift, in this tiny village hall there's about 12 activists, may be slightly— hall there's about 12 activists, may be slightly more and in the room, david _ be slightly more and in the room, david cameron was shouting like a madman — david cameron was shouting like a madman. so david cameron was shouting like a madman. , , , ., . madman. so pumped up and excited. that's what gets _ madman. so pumped up and excited. that's what gets me _ madman. so pumped up and excited. that's what gets me fired _ madman. so pumped up and excited. that's what gets me fired up, - madman. so pumped up and excited. that's what gets me fired up, small l that's what gets me fired up, small business. ., ., , ., business. that was, and in the room ou 'ust business. that was, and in the room you just felt. — business. that was, and in the room you just felt. it _ business. that was, and in the room you just felt, it just _ business. that was, and in the room you just felt, it just feels _ business. that was, and in the room you just felt, itjust feels like - business. that was, and in the room you just felt, itjust feels like he - you just felt, it just feels like he has lost — you just felt, it just feels like he has lost the plot. this is the moment, _ has lost the plot. this is the moment, this is amazing. it was the next day— moment, this is amazing. it was the next day he — moment, this is amazing. it was the next day he did the proper pumped up blood _ next day he did the proper pumped up blood he _ next day he did the proper pumped up blood he lively speech that was the rehearsal,... blood he lively speech that was the rehearsal.---_ rehearsal, . .. that's what people said, the campaign _ rehearsal, . .. that's what people said, the campaign is _ rehearsal, . .. that's what people said, the campaign is really - rehearsal, . .. that's what people | said, the campaign is really dull, david cameron likes to technocratic and boring. just lead up and try to get not boring and not technocratic. he thought it was a jujitsu move on the media, — he thought it was a jujitsu move on the media, he _ he thought it was a jujitsu move on the media, he thought _ he thought it was a jujitsu move on the media, he thought he - he thought it was a jujitsu move on the media, he thought he was - he thought it was a jujitsu move oni the media, he thought he was being objective and — the media, he thought he was being objective and this _ the media, he thought he was being objective and this was _ the media, he thought he was being objective and this was narrative - objective and this was narrative running. it— objective and this was narrative running, it looks _ objective and this was narrative running, it looksjust_ objective and this was narrative running, it looksjust lean- objective and this was narrative running, it looksjust lean intoi objective and this was narrative i running, it looksjust lean into it i'll running, it looksjust lean into it i'tt take — running, it looksjust lean into it i'tt take off— running, it looksjust lean into it i'tt take off my— running, it looksjust lean into it i'll take off myjacket _ running, it looksjust lean into it i'll take off myjacket and - running, it looksjust lean into it i'll take off myjacket and rolled| i'll take off myjacket and rolled my sleeves _ i'll take off myjacket and rolled my sleeves up _ i'll take off myjacket and rolled my sleeves up into _ i'll take off myjacket and rolled my sleeves up into a _ i'll take off myjacket and rolled my sleeves up into a jujitsu - i'll take off myjacket and rolled i my sleeves up into a jujitsu move on the medium — my sleeves up into a jujitsu move on the medium the— my sleeves up into a 'u'itsu move on the mediumh the medium. the thing that was really happening _ the medium. the thing that was really happening in _ the medium. the thing that was really happening in that - the medium. the thing that was i really happening in that campaign was the tories were ruthlessly attacking the limb dems in the south of england and none of us really notice what was happening but it was massive. i notice what was happening but it was massive. , , ., ., massive. i remember being on that battle bus. — massive. i remember being on that battle bus. why _ massive. i remember being on that battle bus, why are _ massive. i remember being on that battle bus, why are we _ massive. i remember being on that battle bus, why are we going - battle bus, why are we going somewhere with a lib dem majority with 20,000? i probably should've put two _ with 20,000? i probably should've put two and two together, maybe they might _ put two and two together, maybe they might be _ put two and two together, maybe they might be doing quite well here, they were clearly getting pulling showing they were doing incredibly well and in the _ they were doing incredibly well and in the media we didn't pick it up very— in the media we didn't pick it up very welt — in the media we didn't pick it up very well. it�*s in the media we didn't pick it up ve well. �* , ., in the media we didn't pick it up very well-— in the media we didn't pick it up ve well. �* , ., ., ., , very well. it's one thing that has developed _ very well. it's one thing that has developed in _ very well. it's one thing that has developed in the _ very well. it's one thing that has developed in the selection - very well. it's one thing that has developed in the selection is - very well. it's one thing that has j developed in the selection is the ability to scrape data, look at where the battle buses are, where the cabinet are going, shadow cabinet, benches from other parties and something the ft has done and i thought was really interesting, if you look to be an activist can be put in postcodes for all 650 seats into each party's website, see where it takes you. it will show you where they are trying to divert activists from and two, and that's led to some quite interesting stories about where labour in particular which famously has lots of activists to play with is trying to kind of really making inroads against the conservatives.— conservatives. what i said at the start of this _ conservatives. what i said at the start of this conversation, - conservatives. what i said at the start of this conversation, you i conservatives. what i said at the i start of this conversation, you had a chance to sleep on this debate, what i realised this morning last night, that guy robert... got a huge round of applause in the room and we were like oh, that's the moment that sums up the mood of the country because it was based on the reaction in the room. actually once more people got involved in that conversation this morning, you saw the other side of it, people were actually quite critical of that question. not necessarily robert the person himself, he can ask whatever he wants, but the kind of anti—politics played on both your houses kind of speak. it was an interesting thing happening in a campaign where you have both of the main parties dropping and support and smaller parties rising in support so that does tap into this. if you look at the big picture, labour were 20 points ahead of the beginning and they are still 20 points ahead, both of the two parties are sinking and small parties are sinking and small parties are sinking and small parties are rising, a third of the electorate are not coming back and that probably hits now in the head. the best thing about this story was he was _ the best thing about this story was he was complaining on tv that he hadn't _ he was complaining on tv that he hadn't really answered his question. he said _ hadn't really answered his question. he said you — hadn't really answered his question. he said you both rubbish, what they meant _ he said you both rubbish, what they meant to— he said you both rubbish, what they meant to say a week after election, hands _ meant to say a week after election, hands up. _ meant to say a week after election, hands up. i— meant to say a week after election, hands up, i really am rubbish, don't vote for— hands up, i really am rubbish, don't vote for me — hands up, i really am rubbish, don't vote for me. to hands up, i really am rubbish, don't vote for me— vote for me. to sound a little pious for a moment. _ vote for me. to sound a little pious for a moment, covering _ vote for me. to sound a little pious for a moment, covering politics - vote for me. to sound a little pious for a moment, covering politics i i vote for me. to sound a little pious| for a moment, covering politics i do have a huge degree of respect for the people who put themselves forward for office, stand in front of the electorate and critically put them selves so much on the doorstep for abuse, them selves so much on the doorstep forabuse, recording them selves so much on the doorstep for abuse, recording by those ring door bells online and i think when he asked that question not to kind of counterattack robert in particular, that it was a bit of an easy cheap shot to make but it does reflect the fact that the two main party leaders in this contest were quite stayed in their matter. i got quite stayed in their matter. i got to thinking. _ quite stayed in their matter. i got to thinking, think _ quite stayed in their matter. i got to thinking, think about how tony blair, or david cameron, ord to thinking, think about how tony blair, or david cameron, 0rd ed miliband would have had a joke to disarm auburn and make the crowd laughed, and we saw a flicker of that with keir starmer when beth rigby is said you're really boring and he said, oh, thanks. iwas surprised that no—one had anything to cheer everything up or make light of that. taste to cheer everything up or make light of that. ~ . of that. we tried exciting with boris johnson _ of that. we tried exciting with boris johnson and _ of that. we tried exciting with boris johnson and look - of that. we tried exciting with boris johnson and look how i of that. we tried exciting with i boris johnson and look how that borisjohnson and look how that worked out. boring maybe isn't such a problem when we've been through such a tumultuous time, i was surprised he didn't deploy that again last time.— again last time. neither was a particularly — again last time. neither was a particularly brilliant _ again last time. neither was a particularly brilliant political i particularly brilliant political campaign _ particularly brilliant political campaign or— particularly brilliant political campaign or if— particularly brilliant political campaign or if you - particularly brilliant political campaign or if you compare| particularly brilliant political i campaign or if you compare to particularly brilliant political - campaign or if you compare to tony blair or— campaign or if you compare to tony blair or boris — campaign or if you compare to tony blair or borisjohnson, _ campaign or if you compare to tony blair or borisjohnson, great- blair or boris johnson, great political— blair or boris johnson, great political strength— blair or boris johnson, great political strength of- blair or boris johnson, great political strength of the - blair or borisjohnson, great- political strength of the community comet _ political strength of the community come. or— political strength of the community come. or nigel— political strength of the community come, or nigel farage, _ political strength of the community come, or nigel farage, whateveri political strength of the community i come, or nigel farage, whatever you make _ come, or nigel farage, whatever you make of— come, or nigel farage, whatever you make of his _ come, or nigel farage, whatever you make of his message. _ come, or nigel farage, whatever you make of his message. today- come, or nigel farage, whatever you make of his message. today he - come, or nigel farage, whatever you make of his message. today he wasl make of his message. today he was in a room _ make of his message. today he was in a room full— make of his message. today he was in a room full of — make of his message. today he was in a room full of a — make of his message. today he was in a room full of a thousand _ make of his message. today he was in a room full of a thousand people - make of his message. today he was in a room full of a thousand people and i a room full of a thousand people and he was _ a room full of a thousand people and he was off— a room full of a thousand people and he was off and — a room full of a thousand people and he was off and getting _ a room full of a thousand people and he was off and getting them - a room full of a thousand people and he was off and getting them to - a room full of a thousand people andj he was off and getting them to laugh out loud _ he was off and getting them to laugh out loud rishi — he was off and getting them to laugh out loud. rishi sunak— he was off and getting them to laugh out loud. rishi sunak and _ he was off and getting them to laugh out loud. rishi sunak and keir- out loud. rishi sunak and keir starmer— out loud. rishi sunak and keir starmer are _ out loud. rishi sunak and keir starmer are not— out loud. rishi sunak and keir starmer are not brilliant- starmer are not brilliant campaigning— starmer are not brilliantj campaigning politicians, starmer are not brilliant- campaigning politicians, that's starmer are not brilliant— campaigning politicians, that's not their strength _ campaigning politicians, that's not their strength. one _ campaigning politicians, that's not their strength.— their strength. one of the things teo . le their strength. one of the things people have _ their strength. one of the things people have been _ their strength. one of the things people have been talking - their strength. one of the things people have been talking aboutl their strength. one of the things| people have been talking about a their strength. one of the things - people have been talking about a lot on social media today is the latest tory attack ads which is a family with their backs to the camera and their hands up and it's repeating that line about that rishi sunak used a lot on wednesday night about don't surrender your life to the labour party. what you think is going on there? it’s labour party. what you think is going on there?— labour party. what you think is going on there? labour party. what you think is ttoin onthere? v , ,, , going on there? it's stepping up the attack, going on there? it's stepping up the attack. isn't — going on there? it's stepping up the attack, isn't it? _ going on there? it's stepping up the attack, isn't it? it— going on there? it's stepping up the attack, isn't it? it really— going on there? it's stepping up the attack, isn't it? it really is— attack, isn't it? it really is project fear going into overdrive, they're going all out, clearly think they've got nothing to lose from using this kind of scary tech to come i think some people think it's going to be too over—the—top. it'll spike a backlash. it doesn't chime with this mood of fear throughout the country about keir starmer and the country about keir starmer and the way that there was with jeremy corbyn. people did fear that what he do on the economy might need turmoil —— lead to turmoil, he wasn't exactly sound on national security, i don't think there are the same concerns about labour. to my mind, i'm not sure it's going to hit the markets aiming at. fiend i'm not sure it's going to hit the markets aiming at.— i'm not sure it's going to hit the markets aiming at. and that word surrender is _ markets aiming at. and that word surrender is so _ markets aiming at. and that word surrender is so emotive, - markets aiming at. and that word surrender is so emotive, and - markets aiming at. and that word | surrender is so emotive, and rishi sunak— surrender is so emotive, and rishi sunak was— surrender is so emotive, and rishi sunak was using it for reason history. — sunak was using it for reason history, the clearly told him use this everywhere, don't surrender money. — this everywhere, don't surrender money, don't surrender borders. i think— money, don't surrender borders. i think that — money, don't surrender borders. i think that having a child there was a step— think that having a child there was a step too— think that having a child there was a step too far and it's just think that having a child there was a step too far and it'sjust like, oh, _ a step too far and it's just like, oh. are— a step too far and it's just like, oh. are we _ a step too far and it'sjust like, oh, are we really saying that would what happened under labour? obviously want to get a reaction but there _ obviously want to get a reaction but there are _ obviously want to get a reaction but there are some levels where you just think is— there are some levels where you just think is this — there are some levels where you just think is this really the best thing? there was— think is this really the best thing? there was a few of them, there was one on the borders literally rolling out the red carpet on some beach to welcome migrants on small boats, there was a bizarre one last night about tax, where they had keir starmer pretending to be jake. you see this in the _ starmer pretending to be jake. you see this in the house of commons kind of— see this in the house of commons kind of shuffling _ see this in the house of commons kind of shuffling in. _ see this in the house of commons kind of shuffling in. taxes - see this in the house of commons kind of shuffling in. taxes are - kind of shuffling in. taxes are going — kind of shuffling in. taxes are going to — kind of shuffling in. taxes are going to rise. _ kind of shuffling in. taxes are going to rise, techs _ kind of shuffling in. taxes are going to rise, techs are - kind of shuffling in. taxes are going to rise, techs are goingj kind of shuffling in. taxes are i going to rise, techs are going to rise _ going to rise, techs are going to rise l— going to rise, techs are going to rise. ., ., , going to rise, techs are going to rise. ., .,, _, ., going to rise, techs are going to rise. ., ., , . what rise. i thought it was cooler. what kind of scary- _ kind of scary. laughter i kind of scary. laughter. | laughter. i thought that was kind of a glastonbury thing, this was a kind of techno track they've made where they mixed keir starmer with members... it's a sort of quite obvious. �* , ., members... it's a sort of quite obvious-— members... it's a sort of quite obvious. �* , ., ., , ~ obvious. it's what the tories think 20-year-olds _ obvious. it's what the tories think 20-year-olds want _ obvious. it's what the tories think 20-year-olds want to _ obvious. it's what the tories think 20-year-olds want to watch. - obvious. it's what the tories think - 20-year-olds want to watch. someone who wasn't on — 20-year-olds want to watch. someone who wasn't on the _ 20-year-olds want to watch. someone who wasn't on the stage _ 20-year-olds want to watch. someone who wasn't on the stage last _ 20-year-olds want to watch. someone who wasn't on the stage last night - who wasn't on the stage last night was ed davey, chris mason has been pursuing him across the country and i caught up with him. i pursuing him across the country and i caught up with him.— i caught up with him. i met a lay by in stockport- _ i caught up with him. i met a lay by in stockport. journal _ i caught up with him. i met a lay by in stockport. journal and _ i caught up with him. i met a lay by in stockport. journal and primo - i caught up with him. i met a lay by| in stockport. journal and primo jack doing in stockport. journal and primojack doing his work. following ed davey is quite a thing. i've been in a villagejust up the is quite a thing. i've been in a village just up the road from here today and as newscasters i've probably noticed the strategy at the heart of the lib dem campaign is ed davey sort of mucking about, basically. creating these visual events is how they often call them. you know, which are very pectoral and very shareable and get clipped up and very shareable and get clipped up and put on the tally and social media and all that. he was painting porcelain on a picnic table at the top of the hill in a field, a very windy field, since then he's left here in greater manchester and gone to shropshire where he has been talking to an alpaca called paolo poe. ., ., , . , ., talking to an alpaca called paolo poe. ,. , , poe. colourful pictures and sense, is to target — poe. colourful pictures and sense, is to target tory — poe. colourful pictures and sense, is to target tory seats _ poe. colourful pictures and sense, is to target tory seats in _ poe. colourful pictures and sense, is to target tory seats in the - poe. colourful pictures and sense, j is to target tory seats in the south of england so what is he doing in the north—west of england? it’s of england so what is he doing in the north-west of england? it's the stream strategy _ the north-west of england? it's the stream strategy with _ the north-west of england? it's the stream strategy with a _ the north-west of england? it's the stream strategy with a splash - the north-west of england? it's the stream strategy with a splash of. stream strategy with a splash of northern flavour really. but almost every single lib dem target seat is conservative facing. in other words has a conservative mp in the last parliament. here we are and hazel grove, that was the case in the last parliament. there is a nearby seat in cheadle, you can see the full seats that were referring to on the bbc news website, on his trip to shropshire it's the north structure consistency that you remembered the lib dems one in a by election from the conservatives. so the blue wall as the lib dems like to call it, is yes, principally in the south—east of england and in the west country, but it has pockets in the north of england, too. for instance in north yorkshire, another conservative seat in the last parliament, previously held by the lib dems a while back and they are hoping to win this time. the strategy if you like on the broad demographics if you like of seats like this are not wildly different from the seats they are targeting in the south—east and south—west of england. there just in a different part of england, i guess. a different part of england, i tuess. , ~' a different part of england, i tuess. , ~ , ., �* guess. chris, i think you're in the windy wall _ guess. chris, i think you're in the windy wall out — guess. chris, i think you're in the windy wall out by _ guess. chris, i think you're in the windy wall out by the _ guess. chris, i think you're in the windy wall out by the sound - guess. chris, i think you're in the windy wall out by the sound of. windy wall out by the sound of things in your microphone there. i'm just thinking about the history of the lib dems, they have moved from the lib dems, they have moved from the low tens of seats to the high tens of seats, what is the option for a comeback for them in of what it looks like with my c... for a comeback for them in of what it looks like with my c. . ._ it looks like with my c... that's a tood it looks like with my c... that's a good question. — it looks like with my c... that's a good question, isn't _ it looks like with my c... that's a good question, isn't it? - it looks like with my c... that's a good question, isn't it? the - it looks like with my c... that's a good question, isn't it? the lib. good question, isn't it? the lib dems for so long, certainly in the late 90s and the turn—of—the—century, where the clear third—party in westminster politics having 40—50, 60 —ish seats, then they were into coalition. then they were nuked, basically, and you could fit the entire lib dem political party in the back of a minibus. and they arejust now party in the back of a minibus. and they are just now showing signs in they are just now showing signs in the last couple of years of kind of reincarnating themselves politically, coming back somewhat in terms of competitiveness, perhaps among those voters who felt that they tarnish themselves in coalition government with the conservatives, willing to give them another look and perhaps... giving them a look as well. they have been very geographically targeted in their campaigning in last couple of years, conscious that the electoral system doesn't necessarily do them any favours on i can focus their efforts in places where they can actually win as opposed to, you know, sacking of a regional support of the votes, but it accounts for nothing because one of the bigger parties eats them. they have been targeting roughly a0 —ish seats, something like that, and that's still three or four times more than they held in the last parliament and not trying to spread themselves too thinly. the critique that ed davey makes andrew swenson who lost her own seat in 2019, is that they spread themselves too thinly. ed davey has been sounding pretty upbeat and positive in the last few weeks and said he set no ceiling on the lib dem missions, there have been one or two in opinion polls suggesting that the lib dems could have more seats than the conservatives which seems extraordinary to be frank, but there has been a spread of opinion polls that might suggest that the lib dems could become the third party at westminster again and overhaul the snp if the snp shrink which opinion polls suggest they are likely to, the lib dems and the snp, a bit nerdy but that kind of thing matters in terms of prominence and money, but that matter really matters. i am now getting drowned out by an orange plane. now getting drowned out by an orange tlane. ., ~' ,, now getting drowned out by an orange lane. ., ~' y., ., now getting drowned out by an orange tlane. ., ,, ., . now getting drowned out by an orange tlane. . ~ i. ., .p . ., plane. thank you for the traffic and travel. before _ plane. thank you for the traffic and travel. before i _ plane. thank you for the traffic and travel. before i let _ plane. thank you for the traffic and travel. before i let you _ plane. thank you for the traffic and travel. before i let you go - plane. thank you for the traffic and travel. before i let you go back- travel. before i let you go back and edit your piece, chris, you want to give me a magisterialfinal thought to usher us into the final week? i’m to usher us into the final week? i'm a bit to usher us into the final week? in a bit knackered. does that count as magisterial? it's certainly pithy and it's certainly the truth. and it's true for all the leading campaigners in the political parties and plenty of those that are doing the democratic thing in different kind of slog of electoral politics that happens every few years is exhausting. of course it is, because thatis exhausting. of course it is, because that is the nature of what is at stake and how much it matters to the country as a whole and indeed to individuals who are seeking to do that thing of adding themselves elected and representing their parties. we are into the sprint finish already, our newscasts last night after the debate in nottingham, a lot of parties doing the big picture thing, main campaigning messages, summarising where they've got to. there has been a masochistic dashing around every corner of the uk and the small number of hours for people like me and against the political leaders, too. and they will be there. i say this every day but i will carry on saying this every day, we are there already. there's been a ratcheting up already. there's been a ratcheting up in the proportion of the election voting by posts in the last 20 years, is probably around a fifth of voters voting by posts, so this general election is under way already, people have voted, people are voting and then plenty more will be voting at this time next week. right, chris, you've got loads of work to do so i will see you soon and i suspect next time i see you face—to—face is on election night itself or we will both be staying up all night monitoring the results and doing a newscast at the break of dawn. i doing a newscast at the break of dawn. . doing a newscast at the break of dawn. , , ., ., dawn. i will see you then if not before. dawn. i will see you then if not before- so _ dawn. i will see you then if not before. so that _ dawn. i will see you then if not before. so that was _ dawn. i will see you then if not before. so that was chris - dawn. i will see you then if not. before. so that was chris mason dawn. i will see you then if not - before. so that was chris mason in a late next to — before. so that was chris mason in a late next to an _ before. so that was chris mason in a late next to an airport _ before. so that was chris mason in a late next to an airport on _ before. so that was chris mason in a late next to an airport on a - before. so that was chris mason in a late next to an airport on a made - late next to an airport on a made road, so that's why it sounded so nice. right, chris and i were getting a bit nostalgic for the last month there. what sort of moments will lodge in your memories forever from this election? like when you're in your 90s, you're like oh, i remember 202a, that's when x happened. for remember 2024, that's when x happened-— happened. for me, it's 'ust the series of crises * happened. for me, it's 'ust the series of crises that h happened. for me, it'sjust the series of crises that the - happened. for me, it'sjust the series of crises that the tory i happened. for me, it'sjust the i series of crises that the tory party has lurched in rishi sunak in the rain and that spectacle, jetting in from belfast,... capping a sinking ship, and the row about the party chairman doing the so—called chicken run from the north—west to safety in essex and then he left d—day early and then the gambling gate scandal erupted, i think it's just the compound effect of those errors, gaffes, and problems that have completely beset the party that i think this will be a campaign i rememberfor a really think this will be a campaign i remember for a really long time. after that first set would obviously we have _ after that first set would obviously we have the rain which i think will be we have the rain which i think will he the _ we have the rain which i think will be the image that everyone remembers forever— be the image that everyone remembers forever when you think of, think track— forever when you think of, think back to — forever when you think of, think back to the _ forever when you think of, think back to the election, oh yeah, that's— back to the election, oh yeah, that's when he called it in the rain. — that's when he called it in the rain, obviously. it that's when he called it in the rain, obviously.— rain, obviously. it only gets wetter. and _ rain, obviously. it only gets wetter. and then _ rain, obviously. it only gets wetter. and then we - rain, obviously. it only gets wetter. and then we had i rain, obviously. it only gets - wetter. and then we had titanic, the did wetter. and then we had titanic, they did seem — wetter. and then we had titanic, they did seem to _ wetter. and then we had titanic, they did seem to stabilise - wetter. and then we had titanic, they did seem to stabilise it i wetter. and then we had titanic, they did seem to stabilise it for. wetter. and then we had titanic, | they did seem to stabilise it for a bit, they did seem to stabilise it for a hit. they— they did seem to stabilise it for a bit, they put out the national service — bit, they put out the national service thing.— service thing. which of the conversation _ service thing. which of the conversation for _ service thing. which of the conversation for three i service thing. which of the conversation for three or i service thing. which of the i conversation for three or four service thing. which of the - conversation for three or four days, totally. conversation for three or four days, totall . �* . ~ ., totally. and then we went back to chaos, totally. and then we went back to chaos. we — totally. and then we went back to chaos, we went _ totally. and then we went back to chaos, we went back— totally. and then we went back to chaos, we went back to _ totally. and then we went back to chaos, we went back to d-day, i chaos, we went back to d—day, we went— chaos, we went back to d—day, we went track— chaos, we went back to d—day, we went back to— chaos, we went back to d—day, we went back to the betting thing and once you've just got that feeling about— once you've just got that feeling about a — once you've just got that feeling about a campaign that everything is going _ about a campaign that everything is going wrong, then anything more that feeds into _ going wrong, then anything more that feeds into that itjust kind of... yeth _ feeds into that itjust kind of... yet, the — feeds into that itjust kind of... yet, the tory poll rating you can argue we can't focus on the pulse too much, it didn't really go down, so those things didn't make the situation worse for the conservatives, which you can argue again they didn't have an effect. but the inverse argument is that normally we would see a narrowing of the polls, more competitive, that extraordinary 20 point lead that labour began that campaign on shrink and that hasn't happened. i'd be interested in the analysis of pollsters and other people saying it wasn't always the case that we would see the polls set as they have been, normally we would have still seen that narrowing and it probably hasn't occurred because of those crises. i hasn't occurred because of those crises. ., ~' hasn't occurred because of those crises. ., ~ .,, crises. i do think the most significant _ crises. i do think the most significant moment - crises. i do think the most significant moment of- crises. i do think the most significant moment of the | crises. i do think the most - significant moment of the campaign was nigel— significant moment of the campaign was nigel farage _ significant moment of the campaign was nigel farage coming _ significant moment of the campaign was nigel farage coming back- significant moment of the campaign was nigel farage coming back to i significant moment of the campaign. was nigel farage coming back to lead reform _ was nigel farage coming back to lead reform uk, _ was nigel farage coming back to lead reform uk, and — was nigel farage coming back to lead reform uk, and sending— was nigel farage coming back to lead reform uk, and sending in— was nigel farage coming back to lead reform uk, and sending in clacton. i reform uk, and sending in clacton. if reform uk, and sending in clacton. if you _ reform uk, and sending in clacton. if you look— reform uk, and sending in clacton. if you look at — reform uk, and sending in clacton. if you look at the _ reform uk, and sending in clacton. if you look at the reform _ reform uk, and sending in clacton. if you look at the reform uk - reform uk, and sending in clacton. if you look at the reform uk vote i if you look at the reform uk vote share _ if you look at the reform uk vote share in— if you look at the reform uk vote share in the — if you look at the reform uk vote share in the six _ if you look at the reform uk vote share in the six weeks _ if you look at the reform uk vote share in the six weeks before i if you look at the reform uk vote share in the six weeks before it. if you look at the reform uk vote i share in the six weeks before it was beginning _ share in the six weeks before it was beginning to — share in the six weeks before it was beginning to drop _ share in the six weeks before it was beginning to drop down— share in the six weeks before it was beginning to drop down and - share in the six weeks before it was beginning to drop down and he had| beginning to drop down and he had one of— beginning to drop down and he had one of the — beginning to drop down and he had one of the most _ beginning to drop down and he had one of the most famous _ beginning to drop down and he had one of the most famous names i beginning to drop down and he had one of the most famous names in. one of the most famous names in british— one of the most famous names in british politics _ one of the most famous names in british politics returned _ one of the most famous names in british politics returned to - one of the most famous names in british politics returned to the i british politics returned to the limelight— british politics returned to the limelight kind _ british politics returned to the limelight kind of— british politics returned to the limelight kind of skilfully- british politics returned to the limelight kind of skilfully and i limelight kind of skilfully and aggressively— limelight kind of skilfully and aggressively take _ limelight kind of skilfully and aggressively take it - limelight kind of skilfully and aggressively take it to - limelight kind of skilfully and aggressively take it to the i limelight kind of skilfully and i aggressively take it to the tories and it's— aggressively take it to the tories and it's gone _ aggressively take it to the tories and it's gone up— aggressively take it to the tories and it's gone up and _ aggressively take it to the tories and it's gone up and up- aggressively take it to the tories and it's gone up and up and i aggressively take it to the tories and it's gone up and up and up, i and it's gone up and up and up, there— and it's gone up and up and up, there have— and it's gone up and up and up, there have been— and it's gone up and up and up, there have been a _ and it's gone up and up and up, there have been a couple - and it's gone up and up and up, there have been a couple of- and it's gone up and up and up, i there have been a couple of polls i was looking — there have been a couple of polls i was looking on _ there have been a couple of polls i was looking on my— there have been a couple of polls i was looking on my way _ there have been a couple of polls i was looking on my way here, i there have been a couple of polls i was looking on my way here, on. was looking on my way here, on average — was looking on my way here, on average they— was looking on my way here, on average they are _ was looking on my way here, on average they are at _ was looking on my way here, on average they are at 15 _ was looking on my way here, on average they are at 15 points, i average they are at 15 points, tories — average they are at 15 points, tories at _ average they are at 15 points, tories at 22 _ average they are at 15 points, tories at 22 points. _ average they are at 15 points, tories at 22 points. they- average they are at 15 points, | tories at 22 points. they were hovering — tories at 22 points. they were hovering around _ tories at 22 points. they were hovering around 11 _ tories at 22 points. they were hovering around 11 or - tories at 22 points. they were hovering around 11 or 12 - tories at 22 points. they were j hovering around 11 or 12 points when nigel— hovering around 11 or 12 points when nigel farage — hovering around 11 or 12 points when nigel farage came _ hovering around 11 or 12 points when nigel farage came back. _ hovering around 11 or 12 points when nigel farage came back. that - hovering around 11 or 12 points when nigel farage came back. that has i nigel farage came back. that has territories — nigel farage came back. that has territories and _ nigel farage came back. that has territories and many _ nigel farage came back. that has territories and many of _ nigel farage came back. that has territories and many of their- nigel farage came back. that has. territories and many of their seats. it territories and many of their seats. it has _ territories and many of their seats. it has stalled — territories and many of their seats. it has stalled in— territories and many of their seats. it has stalled in recent _ territories and many of their seats. it has stalled in recent days- territories and many of their seats. it has stalled in recent days for- it has stalled in recent days for reform — it has stalled in recent days for reform act. it went up and up until nigel— reform act. it went up and up until nigel farage's comments about putin and ukraine and if he just set it on the programme with nick robinson, the programme with nick robinson, the panorama, he would've got some headlines— the panorama, he would've got some headlines for a few days and it would — headlines for a few days and it would have moved away, but they really. _ would have moved away, but they really. he — would have moved away, but they really, he seems so annoyed by it, he really— really, he seems so annoyed by it, he really kind of made it a big thing. — he really kind of made it a big thing, was on the double—decker bus with a _ thing, was on the double—decker bus with a big _ thing, was on the double—decker bus with a big front page of boris johnson _ with a big front page of boris johnson saying something about ukraine, — johnson saying something about ukraine, he seemed so angry, he was will these _ ukraine, he seemed so angry, he was will these videos how he was angry with newspapers on all of that, they seem _ with newspapers on all of that, they seem to _ with newspapers on all of that, they seem to really whip it up and do something to make sure everyone knew that he _ something to make sure everyone knew that he had _ something to make sure everyone knew that he had some problem over ukraine — that he had some problem over ukraine and one thing that people have united across many political parties. — have united across many political parties, that they are quite pleased that we've — parties, that they are quite pleased that we've been supportive of voters that we've been supportive of voters that might _ that we've been supportive of voters that might have crossed between conservatives and reform uk it didn't— conservatives and reform uk it didn't go— conservatives and reform uk it didn't go well for them. the daily mail -- the _ didn't go well for them. the daily mail -- the mail— didn't go well for them. the daily mail -- the mail what's - didn't go well for them. the daily mail -- the mail what's your- didn't go well for them. the dailyj mail -- the mail what's your take didn't go well for them. the daily i mail -- the mail what's your take on mail —— the mail what's your take on thatis mail —— the mail what's your take on that is my date had a similar thing where the mail put a lot of pressure on reform uk and nigel faraj completely lost it, this is a sham democracy, this totally wrong, so they do have this history where the mail sometimes quite like nigel farage, at the end of the day they are a tory supporting newspaper. i are a tory supporting newspaper. i wasn't totally surprised to see them at loggerheads again.— at loggerheads again. then, are you almost doing _ at loggerheads again. then, are you almost doing as _ at loggerheads again. then, are you almost doing as much _ at loggerheads again. then, are you almost doing as much work - at loggerheads again. then, are you almost doing as much work on i at loggerheads again. then, are you almost doing as much work on what | almost doing as much work on what happens to the tories after the election is what's going to happen to the tories in the election? reveal your sources or secret plans... reveal your sources or secret tlans. .. ~ ., reveal your sources or secret tlans...~ ., . ,, ., plans... what might happen to them after they lose. _ plans... what might happen to them after they lose, if _ plans... what might happen to them after they lose, if they _ after they lose, if they become quite _ after they lose, if they become quite irrelevant, _ after they lose, if they become quite irrelevant, if— after they lose, if they become quite irrelevant, if you - 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mordaunt being another obvious one. but they have started.— but they have started. steve baker, our but they have started. steve baker, your member _ but they have started. steve baker, your member him, _ but they have started. steve baker, your member him, the _ but they have started. steve baker, your member him, the brexit i but they have started. steve baker, your member him, the brexit heartl your member him, the brexit heart man, _ your member him, the brexit heart man. he _ your member him, the brexit heart man. he has— your member him, the brexit heart man, he has indicated that if he does keep— man, he has indicated that if he does keep his seat where he's got 4000 _ does keep his seat where he's got 4000 majority, a big if. and does keep his seat where he's got 4000 majority, a big if.— does keep his seat where he's got 4000 majority, a big if. 4000 ma'ority, a big if. and none of the 4000 majority, a big if. and none of the candidates _ 4000 majority, a big if. and none of the candidates standing _ 4000 majority, a big if. and none of the candidates standing there i 4000 majority, a big if. and none of the candidates standing there are i the candidates standing there are available on bbc news. —— all of the candidates. taste available on bbc news. -- all of the candidates-— candidates. we will face the point where all of _ candidates. we will face the point where all of them, _ candidates. we will face the point where all of them, i _ candidates. we will face the point where all of them, i can - candidates. we will face the point where all of them, i can already i where all of them, i can already imagine — where all of them, i can already imagine different ministers ringing around _ imagine different ministers ringing around journalist, imagine different ministers ringing aroundjournalist, if imagine different ministers ringing around journalist, if you imagine different ministers ringing aroundjournalist, if youjust imagine different ministers ringing around journalist, if you just want to put— around journalist, if you just want to put it _ around journalist, if you just want to put it out — around journalist, if you just want to put it out there that they are thinkingm _ to put it out there that they are thinking... they are getting loads of people — thinking... they are getting loads of people approaching them, saying i think you _ of people approaching them, saying i think you should think about. ifi think you should think about. if i to to think you should think about. go to the think you should think about. ifi go to the pub over the weekend, which i probably will and somebody has been listening to this episode of newscast and they say why do you guys start talking about a future tory leadership that if the tories won the election that hasn't even happened yet you're kind ofjumping the gun, it'sjustifiable? it is the gun, it's 'ustifiable? it is happening. _ the gun, it'sjustifiable? it is happening- lt— the gun, it'sjustifiable? it is happening. it is _ the gun, it'sjustifiable? it 3 happening. it is happening. there are candidates who have got staffers lined up, they are already canvassing, some more explicit see, some less. some in and save receipts they expect to win, there are donors being approached. this is really happening in earnest and in recent days you've had people like kemi badenoch, victoria atkins, respectively the business secretary at health secretary asked about, obviously they are not going to lean into it in an obvious way but certainly not ruling it out, and by my account there are as many as 11 people who interested including potentially nigel farage, may be borisjohnson, potentially nigel farage, may be boris johnson, there's potentially nigel farage, may be borisjohnson, there's a lot of noise about whether he can stage a compaq through lots of obstacles. it does feel like this is where the conversation the party has moved to. there's a lot of unknowns in the entire _ there's a lot of unknowns in the entire race _ there's a lot of unknowns in the entire race. if— there's a lot of unknowns in the entire race. if we _ there's a lot of unknowns in the entire race. if we don't- there's a lot of unknowns in the entire race. if we don't know. there's a lot of unknowns in the entire race. if we don't know if. there's a lot of unknowns in the i entire race. if we don't know if she loses, _ entire race. if we don't know if she loses, you — entire race. if we don't know if she loses. you don't— entire race. if we don't know if she loses, you don't know— entire race. if we don't know if she loses, you don't know how- entire race. if we don't know if she loses, you don't know how long i loses, you don't know how long contest — loses, you don't know how long contest to — loses, you don't know how long contest to go _ loses, you don't know how long contest to go. it _ loses, you don't know how long contest to go. it was _ loses, you don't know how long| contest to go. it was essentially back— contest to go. it was essentially back in— contest to go. it was essentially back in 2005, _ contest to go. it was essentially back in 2005, michael- contest to go. it was essentially back in 2005, michael howard i contest to go. it was essentially. back in 2005, michael howard lost and he _ back in 2005, michael howard lost and he said — back in 2005, michael howard lost and he said he— back in 2005, michael howard lost and he said he deliberately- back in 2005, michael howard lost and he said he deliberately had i back in 2005, michael howard lost and he said he deliberately had a i and he said he deliberately had a very long — and he said he deliberately had a very long campaign, _ and he said he deliberately had a very long campaign, he - 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