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during the 7th of october attack, for 150 palestinian women and children held in israeli jails. israel still expects that to happen — but not before friday — and there will be a similar delay to the temporary halt in hostilities. hamas says there are still details to be finalised regarding the list of people to be exchanged. for now, the fighting continues — there was a series of explosions in gaza through the night. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu says his country will continue to fight hamas until absolute victory is achieved. aid agencies are extremely concerned about the humanitarian situation in gaza. some trucks carrying supplies have been able to cross into the territory this week. my colleague anna foster is live in tel aviv. thank you. this has been for weeks now a gathering point for people who have family members who are being held hostage in gaza, friends as well but also ordinary israelis who come to see their posters and pictures and empty table and they are waiting for news about this hostage deal which is being delayed. we are seeing various different strands unfolding in the story all the time and also in the last few hours a doctor from the time and also in the last few hours a doctorfrom gaza's the time and also in the last few hours a doctor from gaza's largest hospital the al—shifa has told the bbc the israeli military has arrested the director of that hospital. he said mohammad abu salmiya was detained. israel hasn't commented on that reported arrest. it's parties have said that hamas is running a large control and command centre underneath al—shifa hospital but hamas denied that. also today lord cameron has arrived in the middle east on his first visit to the region since he returned to government. he will be meeting israeli and palestinian leaders later today and also discussing that deal to release hostages. let's get more on the current status of that deal with our middle east correspondent. just a one year, her report does contain some distressing images. the continuing anguish. this was the day some israeli hostage families had hoped to see their loved ones again. but late last night there was news of a 24—hour delay, also affecting the release of palestinian prisoners. israeli reports say hamas and qatar, which is mediating, haven't yet signed the truce deal. children are supposed to be among the first israelis freed. hadas kalderon desperately wants her son and daughter back. they were snatched with her ex—husband on the 7th of october. i just want to hug my children, to kiss them, to protect them, to promise them that it will never happen again. that's all i want. i don't care about nothing. because my life has been broken apart. my life won't ever be the same again. and their life won't be the same. camping on the street, and crammed into public shelters like this un school, in gaza the wait also continues for a promised four—day truce. without enough food to go around, a pause is meant to clear a path for hundreds of lorries carrying goods, fuel and medical supplies. even then aid agencies have been warning much more needs to be done. and palestinians living amid the destruction are wary about any pause in fighting. "what use is this truce? people are being displaced either way. what benefit do we get?" asks omo ramy. "we want a complete ceasefire. we want a truce to stop the bloodshed. our children are lost." gaza keeps burying its dead, with more than 100 bodies in this mass grave. the coming days may bring quiet, but israel and hamas have said afterwards the war will resume. translation: i want to be clear. the war is continuing. we will continue it until we achieve all our goals of returning all our abductees, eliminating hamas, and guaranteeing after hamas, gaza is not to be controlled by a party that supports terrorism. and for now the bombardment of besieged gaza goes on, as it has for nearly seven weeks. both sides are standing by to see if a deal will hold up and bring different scenes tomorrow. yolande knell, bbc news, jerusalem. let try and get more information on the status of that deal. thank you for joining the status of that deal. thank you forjoining us here on bbc news. we were expecting yesterday and the media here was reporting last night that deal would have come to fruition by now, the first hostages would have been released. can you tell us more about the delay? it is absolutely heartbreaking. those hostages, especially children, have been kept — hostages, especially children, have been kept in inhumane conditions for nearly— been kept in inhumane conditions for nearly 50 _ been kept in inhumane conditions for nearly 50 days and we were hoping to brin- nearly 50 days and we were hoping to bring them _ nearly 50 days and we were hoping to bring them out as quickly as possible _ bring them out as quickly as possible. every day that hamas keeps oh sausages in the dark and keeps their families oh sausages in the dark and keeps theirfamilies in oh sausages in the dark and keeps their families in the dark is an ongoing — their families in the dark is an ongoing crime against humanity. hamas_ ongoing crime against humanity. hamas could have released them now, it didn't _ hamas could have released them now, it didn't have _ hamas could have released them now, it didn't have to abduct them on october— it didn't have to abduct them on october seven ten we will put unrelenting military pressure on hamas— unrelenting military pressure on homes to — unrelenting military pressure on hamas to release all of the hostages. our goal is to leave no one behind. the hostages. our goal is to leave no one behind-— hostages. our goal is to leave no one behind. , ., ., , one behind. the question was where are the hold-ups? _ one behind. the question was where are the hold-ups? what _ one behind. the question was where are the hold-ups? what can - one behind. the question was where are the hold-ups? what can you - one behind. the question was where are the hold-ups? what can you tell| are the hold—ups? what can you tell us about the details that haven't been yet worked out?— us about the details that haven't been yet worked out? hamas is a terror organisation _ been yet worked out? hamas is a terror organisation continues - been yet worked out? hamas is a terror organisation continues to l terror organisation continues to psychologically terrorise the families of those poor hostages. they— families of those poor hostages. they know nothing about the condition of the hostages, their physical— condition of the hostages, their physical situation, their mental, emotional— physical situation, their mental, emotional well—being, the emotional well— being, the pro—children in emotional well—being, the pro—children in there. the hostages don't _ pro—children in there. the hostages don't know— pro—children in there. the hostages don't know what happened to their families, _ don't know what happened to their families, they don't know if their parents — families, they don't know if their parents were murdered. it mowed us operandim _ parents were murdered. it mowed us operandi... modus operandi. it reminds— operandi... modus operandi. it reminds us— operandi... modus operandi. it reminds us of that. it�*s operandi... modus operandi. it reminds us of that.— operandi... modus operandi. it reminds us of that. it's a problem with hamas? _ reminds us of that. it's a problem with hamas? i'm _ reminds us of that. it's a problem with hamas? i'm still— reminds us of that. it's a problem with hamas? i'm still hoping - reminds us of that. it's a problem with hamas? i'm still hoping to l reminds us of that. it's a problem i with hamas? i'm still hoping to get from you detail about why this deal has not come into force yet. it is has not come into force yet. it is u . has not come into force yet. it is u- to has not come into force yet. it is up to hamas — has not come into force yet. it is up to hamas. if _ has not come into force yet. it is up to hamas. if it _ has not come into force yet. it is up to hamas. if it was _ has not come into force yet. it is up to hamas. if it was up to us, we would _ up to hamas. if it was up to us, we would have — up to hamas. if it was up to us, we would have brought the hostages out on october the 7th. what would have brought the hostages out on october the 7th.— on october the 7th. what more can ou tell on october the 7th. what more can you tell us — on october the 7th. what more can you tell us about _ on october the 7th. what more can you tell us about why _ on october the 7th. what more can you tell us about why hamas - on october the 7th. what more can you tell us about why hamas are i you tell us about why hamas are impeding this deal which we were told yesterday was happening today? these are sensitive talks, human lives _ these are sensitive talks, human lives hang — these are sensitive talks, human lives hang in the balance in the less we — lives hang in the balance in the less we say the better. we are hopeful — less we say the better. we are hopeful we will be able to get those hostages _ hopeful we will be able to get those hostages are, especially women and children— hostages are, especially women and children and bring to an end the first stage — children and bring to an end the first stage of the nightmare these people _ first stage of the nightmare these people have been living through and reunite _ people have been living through and reunite them with what is left of their— reunite them with what is left of their families.— their families. you are confident that deal is _ their families. you are confident that deal is still _ their families. you are confident that deal is still on _ their families. you are confident that deal is still on the - their families. you are confident that deal is still on the table? i their families. you are confident. that deal is still on the table? we had it would happen before tomorrow. when it happened tomorrow? the reason i labour the point is i have been speaking to hostage family members this morning and you know that in tel aviv, the pictures, the posters, the families want to know why this hasn't happened yet. we are ho eful but why this hasn't happened yet. we are hopeful but it — why this hasn't happened yet. we are hopeful but it takes _ why this hasn't happened yet. we are hopeful but it takes two _ why this hasn't happened yet. we are hopeful but it takes two to _ why this hasn't happened yet. we are hopeful but it takes two to ten - hopeful but it takes two to ten tango — hopeful but it takes two to ten tango and we are dealing with the terrorist _ tango and we are dealing with the terrorist organisation which brutally— terrorist organisation which brutally massacred families on october— brutally massacred families on october the 7th. if we could have swept _ october the 7th. if we could have swept in — october the 7th. if we could have swept in and got them out in a daring— swept in and got them out in a daring military operation we would have done — daring military operation we would have done that by now may continue to put _ have done that by now may continue to put pressure on hamas which doesn't — to put pressure on hamas which doesn't want to release the hostages. they are responding to military— hostages. they are responding to military pressure and we are upping that pressure so hamas doesn't have a choice _ that pressure so hamas doesn't have a choice but — that pressure so hamas doesn't have a choice but to comply with the agreement. a choice but to comply with the agreement-— agreement. when there is this ceasefire. _ agreement. when there is this ceasefire, this _ agreement. when there is this ceasefire, this four _ agreement. when there is this ceasefire, this four day - agreement. when there is this ceasefire, this four day part i agreement. when there is this ceasefire, this four day part in | ceasefire, this four day part in hostilities, will that be the moment for internationaljournalists are going to support their local colleagues who have been working so hard to tell the story on the ground in gaza. idf have limited —— offered limited opportunities but is at an opportunity to give the world a more clear picture. opportunity to give the world a more clear picture-— clear picture. they have been followin: clear picture. they have been following them _ clear picture. they have been following them as _ clear picture. they have been following them as a - clear picture. they have been following them as a expose i clear picture. they have been - following them as a expose evidence of hamass— following them as a expose evidence of hamas's crimes against humanity. yesterday— of hamas's crimes against humanity. yesterday we reached the door under the al-shifa _ yesterday we reached the door under the al—shifa hospital, and i hope we can take _ the al—shifa hospital, and i hope we can take journalists in there and show— can take journalists in there and show them the full evidence how hamas— show them the full evidence how hamas gives that hospital as a human shield _ hamas gives that hospital as a human shield we _ hamas gives that hospital as a human shield. we hope the evidence of how hamas— shield. we hope the evidence of how hamas had _ shield. we hope the evidence of how hamas had been exploiting the civilian— hamas had been exploiting the civilian population to advance its own goals — civilian population to advance its own goals of war and jihad against the israeli — own goals of war and jihad against the israeli people will become clear — the israeli people will become clear. ., , , ., clear. for clarity, is not something ou will clear. for clarity, is not something you will be — clear. for clarity, is not something you will be allowing _ clear. for clarity, is not something you will be allowing free _ clear. for clarity, is not something you will be allowing free access . clear. for clarity, is not something you will be allowing free access to | you will be allowing free access to international journalists to see that? the idf has been facilitating journalistic visit but also exercising restrictions over the material that journalists actually use. so what about that free access thatis use. so what about that free access that is so important in conflicts, notjust here but around the world? i can't comment on specifically how their idf _ i can't comment on specifically how their w is — i can't comment on specifically how their idf is planning to facilitate access— their idf is planning to facilitate access by— their idf is planning to facilitate access by the media into the gaza strip but— access by the media into the gaza strip but we are certainly glad those — strip but we are certainly glad those journalists who have gone into the gaza _ those journalists who have gone into the gaza strip are reporting on the evidence _ the gaza strip are reporting on the evidence of this been covered up for far too— evidence of this been covered up for far too long — evidence of this been covered up for far too long by international agencies, hamas's their nails and now that — agencies, hamas's their nails and now that evidence comes to light we are expecting full accountability from _ are expecting full accountability from the — are expecting full accountability from the international officials who try to _ from the international officials who try to cover— from the international officials who try to cover up hamas's crimes against _ try to cover up hamas's crimes against humanity try to cover up hamas's crimes against humani_ try to cover up hamas's crimes against humanity thank you for “oininu against humanity thank you for joining us- _ against humanity thank you for joining us- a — against humanity thank you for joining us. a spokesperson - against humanity thank you for joining us. a spokesperson for| against humanity thank you for i joining us. a spokesperson for the israeli government. also stay with the political side of this, the newly appointed foreign secretary lord cameron is here in israel today following the announcement of that deal yesterday, that truth that is due to. he visited the scene of some of the worst violence during the hamas assault on the 7th of october. when david cameron arrived he he went south, close to gaza, one of the community said that really suffered in those october seven attacks by hamas. the foreign secretary walked on the avenues where hamas gunmen had walked and went into some of the buildings that had been burned out, where men women and children had been slaughtered. mr cameron afterwards said he had seen things he would never forget and heard things he would never forget. now david cameron is here that israel's parliament in jerusalem where he is in meetings with key political figures, jerusalem where he is in meetings with key politicalfigures, above all the prime minister benjamin netanyahu and that is where the politics gets interesting because he will give his support to israel's right to defend itself but he is also expected to raise concerns about the need to do more to protect civilians in gaza but also what more can be done to get more humanitarian aid in. that is why lord cameron today said it was really important that this humanitarian pause, this hostage deal had to happen. notjust for itself but also for the possibility that perhaps it could unlock new dynamic in this conflict. we will keep you up—to—date with developments from here in tel aviv and of course as people wait for confirmation that hostage exchange deal will happen, we will watch that for you and let you know. don't forget about the live page. we are covering every development of the conflict. do log on and take a look. it is being updated minute by minute. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news in the uk. household energy prices will rise injanuary, putting more financial pressure on billpayers at the coldest time of year. energy regulator ofgem said the typical annual household bill would go up by £94, or 5%. it said the rise in bills would be worrying at a difficult time for many people, but was the result of higher wholesale costs faced by suppliers. the car manufacturer nissan is expected to announce on friday that the electric versions of the qashqai and thejuke are to be made at their sunderland plant. the plant employs about 6,000 staff to build petrol versions of the two cars, as well as the electric leaf. families will be £1,900 poorer at the end of this parliament than they were at the beginning, according to the think tank, the resolution foundation. it said this government would set a "grim" new record for living standards going down. but chancellorjeremy hunt said the tax cuts announced in the autumn statement would put more money in people's pockets. you're live with bbc news. we are keeping across the rescue of these workers who are trapped in side this tunnel in northern india. we have been following it for 11 days. 41 of them trapped inside this tunnel and you can see here the huge amount of machinery that is there in place. they had been a help these workers would be freed today if things were going to plan but apparently they have hit a snag. the operation to rescue them slowed down because a drilling machine encountered a steel structure it could not cut through. i think about 12 metres they still have to cut through to get to these workers as well. rescuers drilling through all the debris that is trapped there and there had been high hopes that would happen today but we have correspondence at the scene and we will talk to them. to bring you up—to—date what is happening with this rescue but to let you know about the men inside. what we do know is that rescuers have managed to get them oxygen, snacks and crucially water is getting through to these men and that is because they've managed to get a pipeline that was laid for water for construction work, they have managed to get the oxygen and the food and the water down to them. so also they have been communicating with them, trying to keep their spirits up, giving them regular update and they are optimistic they will be able to get through to them, possibly not today but as you can see the rescue operation continues and these are live pictures from there. israeli officials have published the names of 300 women and children held in prison. it is expected 150 of them might be freed as part of the hostage deal. the vast majority are teenage boys. with me now. tell us about what you know about the prisoners. about what you know about the prisoners— about what you know about the risoners. , ., , ., ;;:: :: prisoners. yesterday a list of 300 names for announced _ prisoners. yesterday a list of 300 names for announced by - prisoners. yesterday a list of 300 names for announced by the - prisoners. yesterday a list of 300. names for announced by the israeli government and we know the first batch, if and when it happens, will be just 150. batch, if and when it happens, will bejust150. the reason why batch, if and when it happens, will be just 150. the reason why they published 392.2 putted the potential of extending that four day truth because at the beginning of the 150 palestinian prisoners will be exchanged for 50 of the hostages and after the initial four days, for every three prisoners that israel releases, hamas would release one hostage and for every ten release from gaza and extension of one day will be added to the truth. the list announced had 300 names identified by names and charge and age and the majority of them are men or boys, so... teenage boys? yes, the males are under the age of our up to 18 years old and some of the women are above, are adults. there are 33 women out of the 300 names and the rest are males. find women out of the 300 names and the rest are males— rest are males. and i ask you about some of the — rest are males. and i ask you about some of the women, _ rest are males. and i ask you about some of the women, why _ rest are males. and i ask you about some of the women, why are - rest are males. and i ask you about some of the women, why are they i some of the women, why are they imprisoning? the some of the women, why are they imprisoning?— imprisoning? the charges are ranuain , imprisoning? the charges are ranging. a — imprisoning? the charges are ranging, a wide _ imprisoning? the charges are ranging, a wide range. - imprisoning? the charges are ranging, a wide range. some| imprisoning? the charges are l ranging, a wide range. some of imprisoning? the charges are - ranging, a wide range. some of them are attempted murder, attempted stabbings as charged. some of the charges are very minor, like illegally demonstrating or obstructing the police are throwing stones. throwing stones can be more serious but there is a wide range. have some of them been in administrative detention? yes, some of them were — administrative detention? yes, some of them were and _ administrative detention? yes, some of them were and some _ administrative detention? yes, some of them were and some of _ administrative detention? yes, some of them were and some of them. .. i of them were and some of them... administrative detention is when a palestinian is arrested and kept without going into a legal process of being accused and charged and appearing before a court. so some of the prisoners in this list are under administrative detention and some of them have been actually sentenced. some of them years ago.— them have been actually sentenced. some of them years ago. thank you, we will keep — some of them years ago. thank you, we will keep the _ some of them years ago. thank you, we will keep the grass _ some of them years ago. thank you, we will keep the grass at _ some of them years ago. thank you, we will keep the grass at will - some of them years ago. thank you, we will keep the grass at will be - we will keep the grass at will be back with you to get more detail. the amount of the 7th of october, 1200 israelis killed by hamas followed by the bombardment of gaza killing more than 1a,000 people have sharpened well focus on a region that has experienced decades of violence. despite peace talks and proposals we seem no closer to resolution than ever before. and at this time yesterday we were this very topic in terms of the arab world and how they saw it. so let's talk now to the prime minister of israel from 2000 2009. we were discussing the gaza contact group meeting, the foreign ministers of various countries. they said israel would never have security. do you believe that a two state solution now with what is happening as possible? fist now with what is happening as ossible? �* ., ., , possible? at the end of the military cam aiun i possible? at the end of the military campaign i certainly _ possible? at the end of the military campaign i certainly support- possible? at the end of the military campaign i certainly support an - campaign i certainly support an initiative to embark on negotiations for a two state solution. as you know, i have a plan from 2008 and 2009 and it was a most comprehensive far—reaching peace plan that was ever proposed and included everything that they ever say they want. my proposal plus palestinian state on the basis of the 67 borders. the eastern side, the arab side ofjerusalem. jerusalem would not have any exclusive political sovereignty which means israel would waive its legal authority over the temple mount in the old city of jerusalem and there will be a trust of five nations, the saudis, jordan, palestine, israeland of five nations, the saudis, jordan, palestine, israel and america and the auspices of the un security council to administer the holy base. how realistic is this plan now, given the trauma that israelis have been through, the government that has persisted public opinion, public opinion that are shifted to the right. how do you get to a two state solution again? i right. how do you get to a two state solution again?— solution again? i have to emphasise that at that time — solution again? i have to emphasise that at that time the _ solution again? i have to emphasise that at that time the president - solution again? i have to emphasise that at that time the president did l that at that time the president did not respond to this. never said yes but never said no. it is the only possible plan. at the end of the day, everything will be sorted out and all of the negotiations will end, this is the only plan that can be. because this is the maximum that israel can give and this is the maximum that palestinians for generations wanted to have. the palestinian state, arab side of jerusalem is the capital. by the way, the refugee issue was to be revolt in the framework of the initiative first confirmed in 2007. everything there is something the palestinians wanted. hose everything there is something the palestinians wanted.— palestinians wanted. how did you [an to palestinians wanted. how did you plan to deal— palestinians wanted. how did you plan to deal with _ palestinians wanted. how did you plan to deal with settlers? - palestinians wanted. how did you plan to deal with settlers? the i plan to deal with settlers? the resent plan to deal with settlers? the present israeli _ plan to deal with settlers? tie: present israeli government plan to deal with settlers? tte: present israeli government is plan to deal with settlers? tt9 present israeli government is not in favour of this, there is no question about it. you know, i guess, that i am not a supporter of this government. i'm in opposition to this government and i was in the street and certainly after october there are certainly more recent and i hope we will and i believe israel is to announce the day it will embark on negotiations for the two state solution. there is one thing which can't be disputed and which is universally accepted by everyone. i saw today the visit of lord cameron the foreign secretary and i could see he entirely sympathises with the israeli need to destroy the military capacity of hamas so this is a fundamental step towards the possibility of engaging in a political dialogue with the palestinians. we have to get rid of hamas. by the way, the enemy... lanthem hamas. by the way, the enemy... when ou sa aet hamas. by the way, the enemy... when you say get rid — hamas. by the way, the enemy. .. when you say get rid of— hamas. by the way, the enemy... when you say get rid of hamas, _ hamas. by the way, the enemy... when you say get rid of hamas, what - hamas. by the way, the enemy... when you say get rid of hamas, what do you say get rid of hamas, what do you mean? do you mean getting rid of the civil society? because when you talk about how massey could mean doctors, teachers, engineers. don’t doctors, teachers, engineers. don't blow it out — doctors, teachers, engineers. don't blow it out of _ doctors, teachers, engineers. don't blow it out of proportion. _ doctors, teachers, engineers. ©9th blow it out of proportion. did i doctors, teachers, engineers. ©9>rt�*it blow it out of proportion. did i say anything about the civilian population? i talked about the military capacity of hamas. hamas is isis. hamas is a murderous organisation, the enemy of the palestinians, ofjordan, of egypt, of saudi arabia and of israel. they don't political compromise, political dialogue, they never wanted. they want one thing, to upset the balance in the entire middle east, to serve the ayatollahs of iran and to shake the foundations of iran and to shake the foundations of everything which is moderate, which is respectable and which is tolerable in the middle east. and therefore we need to get rid of the military capacity of hamas. it needs to be destroyed as a terrorist organisation. once it is destroyed as a terrorist organisation and once we reach out for the merger of earth, those who perpetrated the atrocities against israelis, then we can move forward into peace negotiations and i am absolutely in favour, i keep saying it here in israel, overseas and everywhere, i urge prime minister rishi sunak, who is advocating the right of israel to fight against hamas, that he together with joe fight against hamas, that he together withjoe biden the president of america together with the other leaders will speak out in favour of the israeli initiative towards a two state solution. but this can only be done when hamas is a military power is eradicated. thank you so much for your time and your perspective. good to talk to your perspective. good to talk to you from tel aviv. thank you. we are keeping across all the developments for you in the middle east. we can show you five pictures that we have right now from gaza coming to us because as we speak their fighting does continue and we have seen the offensive continuing after this four day path we have been reporting on has been delayed. we were expecting it to start today and now believe the deal we have been talking about will go ahead on friday but we are also keeping across developments and cut out. we understand in doha that they have said the this could start and we will get more details on the next few hours. do stay with us. and we will get more details on the pretty wild and windy across scotland but is here we are seeing their first big sound of weather change. yesterday on the moray coast temperatures reached 15, incredibly mild for november, just 7 degrees this afternoon, temperatures dropping through the day and tomorrow there will be an added wind—chill. it is colder arctic air pushing southwards tonight and tomorrow and affecting a good part of europe. it is confined to the north of the uk, just north of this bank of cloud and rain, part of northern ireland and northern england this afternoon. sunshine and a scattering of showers to the north, temperatures dropping through the day, winds of 50 to 60 mph in the day, winds of 50 to 60 mph in the far north—east, wintry showers, mild but bright in the south with broken cloud. here we will see patchy rain and drizzle during the first club tonight, gradually confined to cornwall isles of scilly and the channel islands. elsewhere, and the channel islands. elsewhere, a colder night. temperatures barely above freezing in scotland and northern england. a chillier start tomorrow morning. showers in the north of scotland, snowy and strong winds continue. elsewhere, a lot more sunshine compared to today. more clout in northern ireland, part of wales, running to the west midlands, most places will be dried with sunny spells, much colder. single figure temperatures and added wind—chill in the north and east making it feel closer to freezing particularly in north—east scotland. friday night and saturday morning, strong winds down the eastern coast dropping temperatures dropping much but come further west, lighter winds, clearer skies and widespread frost to start saturday. a dry, sunny and crisp start on saturday. light winds, windy down the eastern coast and the chance of some rain showers. most will be dry. temperatures wildly into single figures. noting the chill of late but the upside is we have more sunshine. that will lead into frost and fog patches to take a few saturday night and sunday morning but sunday, a cold day but the cloudier one. outbreaks of rain pushing on across the western half of the country making it across southern counties and temperatures struggling to rise. take care.

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