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A stark message to smokers, you are a drain on the nhs and you are bad for britain. 0r a drain on the nhs and you are bad for britain. Or is it none of our business . Or is it everyone� s business . Or is it everyone� s business . Personalfreedom, Personal Business . Personal freedom, personal pleasure, business . Personalfreedom, personal pleasure, responsibility, consideration for others, what do you think . Is it a moral duty to quit smoking . Get in touch. Phone lines will light up as it were. Here is the news from bethan holmes. Thanks, nicky. Nhs england is expected to announce significant changes to cancer waiting time targets which have been routinely missed in recent years. Its thought nine Performance Standards will be reduced to three. Labour has accused the government of Moving The Goalposts after repeated failures. The Health Secretary Steve Barclay has denied that claim. The government is considering putting messages inside Cigarette Packets to encourage smokers to quit. Theyll promote the health and financial benefits of giving up and direct people to the support available. Ministers will consult on the plans. At least 93 people have been killed by wildfires on the Hawaiian Island of maui. Hundreds of people are still unaccounted for. The governor of the us state says hundreds of hotel rooms will be provided for those whove lost their homes. Dorset council says it told a Home Office Official about traces of Legionella On The Bibby Stockholm earlier than the government has admitted. Asylum seekers boarded the Barge Last Monday But were removed on friday after the bacteria was found. Ministers say they didnt know about the findings until wednesday evening. So, what has the Health Secretary, Steve Barclay, said about this . He is not. He said smoking places a huge burden on the nhs, on the economy, on individuals, it directly causes a whole host of health problems, including cancers, cardiovascular disease, it costs the economy billions every year in lost productivity. By taking action to reduce Smoking Rates and pursuing our ambition to be smoke free by 2030, that means around 6 only of the population smoking, my words not his, we will reduce the pressure on the nhs and help people live healthier lives. Sweden, yes, sweden, the un country european country with lowest rates of smoking, smoking was banned in all bars and restaurants in 2005, in 2019 that was extended to include outdoor seating in thousand restaurants as well as public places. Maybe that should be done here. 08085 909 693, 85058, is it your moral, solemn, nay, patriotic duty, to quit smoking . I mention Steve Barclay, the health and social care secretary, a previous Health Secretary back in 2004 created a right stink, which is what cigarettes do, john reid, he angered Health Campaigners when he came out with this stuff, he said, smoking is one of the few pleasures left for the poor on sink estates and in working mens clubs. He said the middle classes were obsessed with giving an instruction to people from lower Socio Economic backgrounds, and smoking was not one of the worst problems facing poor people. There was outrage then and there would be outrage now, at my mere reading out of it. Deborah arnott, chief executive of action 0n smoking and health, welcome back, deborah. Thank ou, there health, welcome back, deborah. Thank you. There is health, welcome back, deborah. Thank you. There is so health, welcome back, deborah. Thank you, there is so much health, welcome back, deborah. Thank you, there is so much to health, welcome back, deborah. Thank you, there is so much to get health, welcome back, deborah. Thank you, there is so much to get to you, there is so much to get to grips with there but can i start off by. Grips with there but can i start off b. , grips with there but can i start off by. You can in a minute, ust let me introduce by. You can in a minute, ust let me introduce everyone by. You can in a minute, just let me introduce Everyone Else. By. You can in a minute, just let. Me introduce Everyone Else. Simon clark, director of Smokers Rights Group primarily funded by the Tobacco Industry. Comeback, simon. Excellent to have you on. And debbie in yate and Margie In Glasgow and peter in shrewsbury. Straight out of the traps. Deborah, what were you going to say, Deborah Arnott . Weill. Going to say, Deborah Arnott . Well, before the news, going to say, Deborah Arnott . Well, before the news, you going to say, Deborah Arnott . Ii before the news, you mentioned that this was a sort of Lifestyle Choice, thatis this was a sort of Lifestyle Choice, that is a myth promoted by the Tobacco Companies. They decades denied, even though they knew their own research showed how addictive it was, it takes smokers about 30 times before they quit and most people start and become addicted as children, this is not a Lifestyle Choice which is why it is the responsibility of government to help and support people to quit, and just because you are poor doesnt mean you think smoking is a good idea, it isjust that life is more is just that life is more difficult and the more difficult life is, the more addicted smokers tend to be and the harder they find it too quick so it is really more important that we help poor and disadvantaged workers to quit. It is help poor and disadvantaged workers to auit. ,. ,. , to quit. It is the old quote, stepping to quit. It is the old quote, Stopping Smoking to quit. It is the old quote, Stopping Smoking is to quit. It is the old quote, Stopping Smoking is easy, | to quit. It is the old quote, | Stopping Smoking is easy, i to quit. It is the old quote, Stopping Smoking is easy, i have done it loads of times. But it is a Lifestyle Choice, there is a Fashion Aspect to it as there is with apes of course with young people, what they call, what a misnomer, the Social Smoker . They call, what a misnomer, the Social Smoker . You would not call a heroin addiction Social Smoker . You would not call a Heroin Addiction A Social Smoker . You would not call a Heroin Addiction A Lifestyle Social Smoker . You would not call a Heroin Addiction A Lifestyle Choice. L Heroin Addiction A Lifestyle Choice. Are you comparing it to heroin . It is as difficult to quit. It does not do the same damage in all sorts of different ways but the damage to your health is massive, Up To Two Thirds of long term smokers die from smoking related diseases, the other thing announced today was the major Condition Strategy to tackle cancer, cardiovascular disease, respiratory disease, dementia, Mental Ill Health and skeletal disorders, namely back problems. All those things are caused by smoking, all those things and many other things besides. And and many other things besides. And exacerbated. And and many other things besides. And exacerbated. And i and many other things besides. And exacerbated. And i am and many other things besides. And exacerbated. And i am an and many other things besides. And exacerbated. And i am an ex and many other things besides. And i exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know how exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know how hard exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know how hard it exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know how hard it can exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know how hard it can be exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know how hard it can be to exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know how hard it can be to quit, exacerbated. And i am an ex smoker, i know how hard it can be to quit, i i i know how hard it can be to quit, i was a Social Smoker, i said i wasnt a smoker but every friday night i would go down the pub and buy a packet of cigarettes from a Vending Machine at an exorbitant price and smoke them all, that is not being a non smoker. Smoke them all, that is not being a nonsmoker nonsmoker. They are exorbitant, arent they . Nonsmoker. They are exorbitant, arent they . Simon nonsmoker. They are exorbitant, arent they . Simon clark, nonsmoker. They are exorbitant, arent they . Simon clark, you nonsmoker. They are exorbitant, arent they . Simon clark, you are | arent they . Simon clark, you are saying the Tobacco Industry has been less than honest on this, deborah, simon clark . I less than honest on this, deborah, simon clark . Simon clark . I dont think anybody over the last simon clark . I dont think anybody over the last 40 simon clark . I dont think anybody over the last 40 or simon clark . I dont think anybody over the last 40 or 50 simon clark . I dont think anybody over the last 40 or 50 years simon clark . I dont think anybody over the last 40 or 50 years can i simon clark . I dont Think Anybodyl over the last 40 or 50 years can say that is over the last 40 or 50 years can say that is true over the last 40 or 50 years can say that is true because everybody including that is true because everybody including the Tobacco Industry has lon including the Tobacco Industry has long acknowledged that there are serious long acknowledged that there are Serious Health risks associated with smoking Serious Health risks associated with smoking. We have never denied it. That is smoking. We have never denied it. That isjust smoking. We have never denied it. That isjust not true, simon. That is just not true, simon. Deborah, we wont as if i canjust have deborah, we wont as if i canjust have a deborah, we wont as if i canjust have a few deborah, we wont as if i canjust have a few words myself, i mean, the fact of have a few words myself, i mean, the fact of the have a few words myself, i mean, the fact of the matter is, people know about fact of the matter is, people know about the fact of the matter is, people know about the health risks of smoking, clearly about the health risks of smoking, clearly the about the health risks of smoking, clearly the government does have a role to clearly the government does have a role to play clearly the government does have a role to play in educating people about role to play in educating people about those health risks, the problem about those health risks, the problem is in recent decades the government has overstepped the mark by going government has overstepped the mark by going beyond education into full blown coercion. By going beyond education into full blown coercion. And we have seen full blown coercion. And we have seen that full blown coercion. And we have seen that with a number of the policies. Seen that with a number of the policies, the smoking ban. A coercion. Policies, the smoking ban. A coercion, what are you talking about . Coercion, what are you talking about . By coercion, what are you talking about . By making it more and more difficult about . By making it more and more difficult for about . By making it more and more difficult for people to smoke in public difficult for people to smoke in public places, the idea was to force People Public places, the idea was to force people to public places, the idea was to force people to quit smoking and the smoking people to quit smoking and the smoking ban actually failed in that respect smoking ban actually failed in that respect because the years following the introduction of the smoking ban saw Smoking Rates hardly falling at all. Saw Smoking Rates hardly falling at aii~ we saw Smoking Rates hardly falling at aii~ we are saw Smoking Rates hardly falling at all. We are not against education and this all. We are not against education and this announcement today talks about and this announcement today talks about putting inserts into cigarette packs. About putting inserts into cigarette packs. I about putting inserts into cigarette packs, i dont have a problem with that whatsoever as long as the information on those inserts educates information on those inserts educates people and says, look, these educates people and says, look, these are educates people and says, look, these are different ways that you can quit these are different ways that you can quit smoking. What we are against can quit smoking. What we are against is can quit smoking. What we are against is the type of very intrusive against is the type of very intrusive anti smoking measures, the dispiay intrusive anti smoking measures, the display ban intrusive anti smoking measures, the display ban was quite intrusive and the ban display ban was quite intrusive and the ban on display ban was quite intrusive and the ban on Menthol Cigarettes was extremeiy the ban on Menthol Cigarettes was extremely intrusive because you were introducing extremely intrusive because you were introducing a form of Prohibition Kortney introducing a form of prohibition Kortney Hause cannot being able to see something be intrusive . It is designed see something be intrusive . It is designed to be normalised. It is a contradiction designed to be normalised. It is a contradiction in designed to be normalised. It is a contradiction in terms. Designed to be normalised. It is a contradiction in terms. I designed to be normalised. It is a| contradiction in terms. I disagree. You are not contradiction in terms. I disagree. You are notjust contradiction in terms. I disagree. You are notjust denormalising I Contradiction in terms. I disagree. I you are notjust denormalising the you are not just de normalising the product. You are not just de normalising the product. You you are not just de normalising the product, you are de normalising the consumer product, you are de normalising the consumer as product, you are de normalising the consumer as well. Deborah earlier said it consumer as well. Deborah earlier said it is consumer as well. Deborah earlier said it is not consumer as well. Deborah earlier said it is not a Lifestyle Choice but for said it is not a Lifestyle Choice but for a said it is not a Lifestyle Choice but for a great many people it is, and what but for a great many people it is, and what deborah overlooks, just because and what deborah overlooks, just because she was an ex smoker who wanted because she was an ex smoker who wanted to because she was an ex smoker who wanted to give up smoking, there are nrany wanted to give up smoking, there are many people who do want to give up smoking, many people who do want to give up smoking, perhaps wish they had never started smoking, perhaps wish they had never started but smoking, perhaps wish they had never started but there are millions of people started but there are millions of people who enjoy smoking and get a reat people who enjoy smoking and get a great deal people who enjoy smoking and get a great deal of pleasure from smoking, and we great deal of pleasure from smoking, and we need to accept that and we need and we need to accept that and we need to and we need to accept that and we need to accept that those people have rights because tobacco is a legal have rights because tobacco is a legal product and as long as it remains legal product and as long as it remains legal, people have every ii l ht remains legal, people have every right to remains legal, people have every right to smoke without. But those eo le right to smoke without. But those eole are right to smoke without. But those people are costing right to smoke without. But those people are costing everyone right to smoke without. But those people are costing Everyone Else i right to smoke without. But those people are costing Everyone Else a| people are costing Everyone Else a lot of money, that is the argument. Deborah, come back in quickly and then we will go to our brilliant callers. I then we will go to our brilliant callers. ,. , ,. , then we will go to our brilliant callers. ,. , , callers. I want to come back because in the 1990s callers. I want to come back because in the 1990s there callers. I want to come back because in the 1990s there is callers. I want to come back because in the 1990s there is a callers. I want to come back because in the 1990s there is a report callers. I want to come back because in the 1990s there is a report ash i in the 19905 there is a report ash did with all of the chief executives of the Tobacco Companies and a congressional hearing in the us putting their hands up and swearing that tobacco was not addictive. In the 19905, and two years later, legal action proved that they were lying through their teeth. So, simon, read the report, look at the evidence, dontjust trot out simon, read the report, look at the evidence, dont just trot out your trite rejoinders which are always the same and never evidence based. More trite rejoinders coming up, simon you have got to respond to that but not with a rejoinder {30 that but not with a reoinder go on i that but not with a rejoinder go on i will try not to be trite. We have on i will try not to be trite. We have done on i will try not to be trite. We have done research commissioned from a very have done research commissioned from a very credible group in glasgow, the centre a very credible group in glasgow, the centre for Substance Use research, the centre for Substance Use research, and they did a survey on what research, and they did a survey on what we research, and they did a survey on what we call research, and they did a survey on what we call confirm smokers which is smokers what we call confirm smokers which is smokers who dont wish to quit, they enjoy is smokers who dont wish to quit, they enjoy smoking. And the results were absolutely unequivocal, the vast majority of confirmed smokers smoke vast majority of confirmed smokers smoke because they get a great deal of pleasure from it, they know it can be of pleasure from it, they know it can be addictive but they put the pleasure can be addictive but they put the pleasure ahead of the addiction. And we have pleasure ahead of the addiction. And we have to pleasure ahead of the addiction. And we have to accept that. People get through we have to accept that. People get through life in so many different ways, through life in so many different ways, some people drink alcohol, some ways, some people drink alcohol, some people eat comfort food, and there some people eat comfort food, and there are some people eat comfort food, and there are some people who choose to smoke there are some people who choose to smoke and there are some people who choose to smoke and they enjoy it. We mentioned earlierjohn reids mentioned earlier john reids comment mentioned earlierjohn reids comment back in 2000 and four, he was absolutely right, i would not have was absolutely right, i would not have made a comment like that because have made a comment like that because i have made a comment like that because i dont come from that sort of background butjohn reid represented an extremely poor constituency in glasgow, he knew his constituents better than anybody else he constituents better than anybody else he turns around and says that for a else he turns around and says that for a single else he turns around and says that for a single mother living on a sink estate for a single mother living on a sink estate having ace cigarette during the day estate having ace cigarette during the day is estate having ace cigarette during the day is one of the few pleasures she might the day is one of the few pleasures she might have, i the day is one of the few pleasures she might have, lam the day is one of the few pleasures she might have, i am willing to believe she might have, i am willing to believe him. He she might have, i am willing to believe him. She might have, i am willing to believe him. , believe him. He was pointing out the atronisin believe him. He was pointing out the patronising element believe him. He was pointing out the patronising element of believe him. He was pointing out the patronising element of it believe him. He was pointing out the patronising element of it as believe him. He was pointing out the patronising element of it as well i believe him. He was pointing out the patronising element of it as well as l patronising element of it as well as the middle class thing, we know what is good for you, stop doing that we were come back to both of you, nothing trite so far, one might argue. Coming to our callers, debbie and gate, i think you are one of those people who claims youre right to smoke because you enjoy it, tell us more, debbie . Debbies phone line is not working. Can you hear me, debbie . , is not working. Can you hear me, debbie . Carry is not working. Can you hear me, debbie . Yep. Carry on, debbie. Sor. Debbie . Yep. Carry on, debbie. Sorry yes. Debbie . Yep. Carry on, debbie. Sorry yes. I debbie . Yep. Carry on, debbie. Sorry. Yes, i do debbie . Yep. Carry on, debbie. Sorry. Yes, i do enjoy debbie . Jen carry on, debbie. Sorry. Yes, i do enjoy a ciggie, debbie . 12a carry on, debbie. Sorry. Yes, i do enjoy a ciggie, and equally i feel like a dirty smoker. A duty smoker or a dirty smoker . Dirty smoker, yes, we are made to feel that these days. Becau5e everybody seems so against it. But i keep myself fit and healthy in other ways, i dont drink. I do. Indie keep myself fit and healthy in other ways, i dont drink. I do. Ways, i dont drink. I do. We have lost ou ways, i dont drink. I do. We have lost you again ways, i dont drink. I do. We have lost you again. But ways, i dont drink. I do. We have lost you again. But there ways, i dont drink. I do. We have lost you again. But there we ways, i dont drink. I do. We have lost you again. But there we are. I ways, i dont drink. I do. We have. Lost you again. But there we are. We are going to get a better line with you because what you said there is good and we can actually run with it as well because you think that you are made to feel like a dirty smoker. Peter in shrewsbury, you dont like the nanny 5moke, you do like a fag, you have been doing it for 50 years, do you feel you are being 5tigmati5ed . For 50 years, do you feel you are being stigmatised . For 50 years, do you feel you are being stigmatised . Well, i do but i also have to being stigmatised . Well, i do but i also have to be being stigmatised . Well, i do but i also have to be fair, being stigmatised . Well, i do but i also have to be fair, i being stigmatised . Well, i do but i also have to be fair, i really being stigmatised . Well, i do but i also have to be fair, i really dont l also have to be fair, i really dont care also have to be fair, i really dont care so also have to be fair, i really dont care so that also have to be fair, i really dont care. So that is not my point. It doesnt care. So that is not my point. It doesnt bother me what other people think doesnt bother me what other people think i doesnt bother me what other people think. Ithink doesnt bother me what other people think. I think deborah is, in fairness think. I think deborah is, in fairness to think. I think deborah is, in fairness to her she is getting paid to do fairness to her she is getting paid to do a fairness to her she is getting paid to do a job fairness to her she is getting paid to do a job and im sure she does it well, but to do a job and im sure she does it well, but the to do a job and im sure she does it well, but the bottom line is that obesity well, but the bottom line is that Obesity Costs doubled the amount to the Health Service that either smoking or alcohol does. But i am yet to smoking or alcohol does. But i am yet to go smoking or alcohol does. But i am yet to go into a supermarket and see a picture yet to go into a supermarket and see a picture of yet to go into a supermarket and see a picture of a yet to go into a supermarket and see a picture of a morbidly fat man or woman a picture of a morbidly fat man or woman on a picture of a morbidly fat man or woman on the front of a packet of frozen woman on the front of a packet of frozen burgers. And Itjust Fascinates me that. And also the thought fascinates me that. And also the thought that you had someone orjust before thought that you had someone orjust before the thought that you had someone orjust before the news who said she didnt think that before the news who said she didnt think that people were that well informed about the health risks, well informed about the health risks, well, of course everyone is, you would risks, well, of course everyone is, you would have to live under a rock not to you would have to live under a rock not to be you would have to live under a rock not to be. So, presumably i am going to pay not to be. So, presumably i am going to pay for not to be. So, presumably i am going to pay for these inserts which is going to pay for these inserts which is going to to pay for these inserts which is going to put the price up again so there going to put the price up again so there will going to put the price up again so there will be vat on that and some exercise. There will be vat on that and some exercise, and quite simply, i totally exercise, and quite simply, i totally object to it, if i choose to smoke totally object to it, if i choose to smoke and totally object to it, if i choose to smoke and i dont belong in the lower smoke and i dont belong in the lower Socio Economic group, then that is lower Socio Economic group, then that is my lower Socio Economic group, then that is my decision, i dont need people that is my decision, i dont need people like that is my decision, i dont need people like deborah telling me it is bad for people like deborah telling me it is bad for me. Yes, i already know that, bad for me. Yes, i already know that, deborah, Thank Euphoria to rating that, deborah, Thank Euphoria to rating it that, deborah, Thank Euphoria to rating it. And ijust find it. Were rating it. And ijust find it. Were so rating it. And ijust find it. Were so concerned with beating around were so concerned with beating around the edges of relatively minor problems around the edges of relatively minor problems that were ignoring all the bil problems that were ignoring all the big problems. And if it costs 6. 1 billion big problems. And if it costs 6. 1 billion to big problems. And if it costs 6. 1 billion to service the fat people around billion to service the fat people around and it only costs three and a bit billion around and it only costs three and a bit billion to around and it only costs three and a bit billion to service the smokers, then bit billion to service the smokers, then lm bit billion to service the smokers, then im sorry, the emphasis should be on then im sorry, the emphasis should be on obesity, not on smoking. Because be on obesity, not on smoking. Because obese people, they get more cancer, because obese people, they get more cancer, more circulatory problems, they are cancer, more circulatory problems, they are more difficult to operate on. 0. They are more difficult to operate on. So, where is my problem . Let me enjoym on. So, where is my problem . Let me enjoym i on. So, where is my problem . Let me enjoym l have on. So, where is my problem . Let me enjoy. I have probably got on average enjoy. I have probably got on average another ten years of my life, average another ten years of my life. Let average another ten years of my life, let me enjoy it, please deborah. Life, let me enjoy it, please deborah, comeback, Deborah Arnott . If you want to carry on smoking that is entirely up to you but actually it is not a minor problem, 13 of the population 5moke, Up To Two Thirds of them will die and many of them really horrible disea5e5, lung cancer is not nice, neither is what is called chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, when your lungs lo5e pulmonary disease, when your lungs lose their elasticity, and this is not about, if you want to carry on smoking, we are not stopping you, this is about. You smoking, we are not stopping you, this is about. Smoking, we are not stopping you, this is about. You are because you are taxing this is about. You are because you are taxing me this is about. You are because you are taxing me up this is about. You are because you are taxing me up to this is about. You are because you are taxing me up to the this is about. You are because you are taxing me up to the hilt. This is about. You are because you are taxing me up to the hilt. But i are taxing me up to the hilt. But ou a s are taxing me up to the hilt. But you pays your are taxing me up to the hilt. Elf you pays your money and you takes your choice, if you want to carry on smoking that is up to you. Your choice, if you want to carry on smoking that is up to you. Well, tax the frozen hamburgers, smoking that is up to you. Well, tax the frozen hamburgers, then. I smoking that is up to you. Well, tax. The frozen hamburgers, then. Double the frozen hamburgers, then. Double the tax the frozen hamburgers, then. Double the tax on the frozen hamburgers, then. Double the tax on those, where is your interest the tax on those, where is your interest in the tax on those, where is your interest in saving all the fat people . 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We have heard peter, i down. Mark hutchings went on, good morning. We have heard peter, we. Morning. We have heard peter, we have heard debbie, two very passionate advocates of being able to do exactly what they want to do. Do you agree with the contention that to save us all a load of money, it is almost a model duty for smokers to stop smoking . It is almost a model duty for smokers to stop smoking . , well, i will ut it smokers to stop smoking . , well, i will put it in smokers to stop smoking . , well, i will put it in the smokers to stop smoking . , well, i will put it in the context smokers to stop smoking . , well, i will put it in the context of smokers to stop smoking . , well, i will put it in the context of the i will put it in the context of the situation i was in back in 2011 when both my wife and i quit smoking. It was all down to an opportunity that we had because we were trying to have a baby and unfortunately for a few years we were not able to and we went through the nhs process and to do that, we had to give up smoking otherwise pay a large sum of money, which, in The Grand Scheme of things, it is one of those choices, and we were quite, i would not say we were heavy smokers, i dont know what you call a heavy smoker but we were 10 15 a day and we had been smoking from the age of 16, i was 30 at the time, my wife was 29, but when youre confronted with that, and the opportunity to have a child in your life, as we were, we did it, we actually went cold turkey, no Nicotine Tablets or anything like that, it was just, Nicotine Tablets or anything like that, it wasjust, we have got Nicotine Tablets or anything like that, it was just, we have got to do this, so we did. It was hard, i must admit, i must admit nowadays, it is probably quite, when you are out having a drink with your friends and things like that, but you look back at it and think, it is almost like an incentive, and im not saying everybody is going to go through the same journey we have, everybody is going to go through the samejourney we have, but everybody is going to go through the same journey we have, but maybe people could think about, if they think about their health, but it is everyones choice at the end of the day, your individual choice, but if youve got some sort of incentive, that could help. And that could be a personal thing, that could help. And that could be a personalthing, it that could help. And that could be a personal thing, it doesnt have to be the government or nhs saying, here is the incentive for you, it could be your own, and that could be anything. But could be your own, and that could be an hina. �. ,. ,. Anything. But that individual choice affects the life anything. But that individual choice affects the life of anything. But that individual choice affects the life of others . Anything. But that individual choice affects the life of others . It anything. But that individual choice affects the life of others . It does, l affects the life of others . It does, absolutely. Affects the life of others . It does, absolutely. It affects the life of others . It does, absolutely, it not affects the life of others . It does, absolutely, it not only affects the life of others . It does, absolutely, it not only affects i affects the life of others . It does, | absolutely, it not only affects your health, for instance my daughter who is now ten, she looks at people around smoking, vaping, and she is, like, dad, is that something you have done . I have been straight up and honest, yes, what i want her to do it . No. Again it is her choice but i would be influencing and trying to say, think about other options. Not that there are other options, really, but it is not something i would certainly advocate now. ,. , now. Colin in southampton, good morninu. Now. Colin in southampton, good morning. Hello, now. Colin in southampton, good morning. Hello, colin. Now. Colin in southampton, good morning. Hello, colin. You i now. Colin in southampton, good morning. Hello, colin. You are i now. Colin in southampton, good| morning. Hello, colin. You are on the phone now hi. I can hear some feedback going on in the background, do you have your radio going on in the background . H0. Do you have your radio going on in the background . Do you have your radio going on in the background . No, we have pouring rain on the conservatory the background . No, we have pouring rain on the conservatory roof, the background . No, we have pouring rain on the conservatory roof, i i rain on the conservatory roof, i will shut rain on the conservatory roof, i will shut that off see if it is any better will shut that off see if it is any better. ,. , � will shut that off see if it is any better. �. ,. , better. Dont worry about the conservatory better. Dont worry about the conservatory roof. Better. Dont worry about the conservatory roof. Ok i better. Dont worry about the conservatory roof. 0k tell. Better. Dont worry about the | conservatory roof. 0k tell us better. Dont worry about the i conservatory roof. 0k tell us your sto. Conservatory roof. 0k tell us your story. Basically, 2006 picked up on a bad throat which was looked at by my gp and that the end i got a referral to Southampton General where i live close to and it turned out to be a Throat Cancer on the skin at the back pallet and naturally, i was a smoker, i smoke cigars, pipes and you name it, apart from normal tobacco products. And i decided that after i had to go into the biopsy, he told me what it was and he said, we can do something for you, and i was really pleased to hear those words, and he came and did the biopsy and a month later he came in on his day off because it was a tricky position in the back of the throat and he knew exactly where he had operated on for the biopsy to do it because i had healed up so well after the biopsy, so he went forward and needed the operation and i am pleased to say at this moment in time, it was very successful. L in time, it was very successful. I stopped smoking instantly from then on i stopped smoking instantly from then on i used stopped smoking instantly from then on i used to like a small cigar occasionally and i said to him, what do you occasionally and i said to him, what do you think, could i have an occasional do you think, could i have an occasional Night Cigar Average and he said occasional Night Cigar Average and he said to occasional Night Cigar Average and he said to me, there is no such thing he said to me, there is no such thing as he said to me, there is no such thing as a he said to me, there is no such thing as a nice cigar, he said to me thing as a nice cigar, he said to me and thing as a nice cigar, he said to me and i thing as a nice cigar, he said to me. And i have not smoked since. And i me. And i have not smoked since. And i have me. And i have not smoked since. And i have to me. And i have not smoked since. And i have to say me. And i have not smoked since. And i have to say that his dedication, i felt humbled really that he came in on his felt humbled really that he came in on his day felt humbled really that he came in on his day off because of the position on his day off because of the position of the operation, and he ot position of the operation, and he got it position of the operation, and he got it right position of the operation, and he got it right for me and there was no way~~~ got it right for me and there was no way~~~ a got it right for me and there was no way. A brilliant, that was back in 2006 way. A brilliant, that was back in 2006. way. A brilliant, that was back in 2006. ~. , ,. , 2006. Think of the pressure on the nhs now thinking 2006. Think of the pressure on the nhs now thinking that 2006. Think of the pressure on the nhs now thinking that pressure i 2006. Think of the pressure on the i nhs now thinking that pressure would be . ,. , be . Yeah. I mean, i did enoy smoking. fl be . Yeah. I mean, i did enoy smoking. 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Listen, mr webb and our a big hospital. Listen, mr webb and your team. A big hospital. Listen, mr webb and your team. We a big hospital. Listen, mr webb and your team. We pay a big hospital. Listen, mr webb and your team, we pay tribute a big hospital. Listen, mr webb and your team, we pay tribute to i a big hospital. Listen, mr webb and your team, we pay tribute to you. L your team, we pay tribute to you. Simon clark, director of forest, the smokers group, 15 types of cancer, caused by smoking, simon, most cases of lung cancer, every year 78,000 people in the year die from smoking, more than 500,000 admitted to hospital and many of them carry on smoking, coming outside the hospital to have a wee fag. Research shows people who do not smoke see their gp 12 less than people who do smoke. Former smokers see their doctor for percent less than people who still smoke. It is a strain on all of us, it is a drain on the nhs, its not just about personal responsibility, it is a duty of care to society . Laughter. Simon, are you there . In laughter. Simon, are ou there . , simon, are you there . In terms of costs, simon, are you there . In terms of costs. Smokers simon, are you there . In terms of costs, smokers cost simon, are you there . In terms of costs, smokers cost over simon, are you there . In terms of costs, smokers cost over 10 i simon, are you there . In terms of| costs, smokers cost over 10 billion ism costs, smokers cost over 10 billion ism i costs, smokers cost over 10 billion ism i am costs, smokers cost over 10 billion is. I am sorry, the sound keeps cutting is. I am sorry, the sound keeps cutting out is. I am sorry, the sound keeps cutting out. Smokers contribute over £10 billion cutting out. Smokers contribute over £10 billion a cutting out. Smokers contribute over £10 billion a year in tobacco taxation. £10 billion a year in tobacco taxation, that dwarfs the alleged cost of taxation, that dwarfs the alleged cost of treating smoking related diseases cost of treating smoking related diseases on the nhs so really smokers diseases on the nhs so really smokers should not feel guilty in any way. Smokers should not feel guilty in any way, shape or form in terms of making any way, shape or form in terms of making use any way, shape or form in terms of making use of the nhs to deal with smoking related diseases. Now weve heard smoking related diseases. Now weve heard about the alleged assault of costs heard about the alleged assault of costs to heard about the alleged assault of costs to productivity or the effects on productivity but the reality is for many on productivity but the reality is for many people smoking improves the productivity. Having the occasional cigarette productivity. Having the occasional cigarette during the day gives them thinking cigarette during the day gives them thinking time as we have heard. We have heard thinking time as we have heard. We have heard from people already on the programme that for some, Smoking Ets The Programme that for some, smoking gets them the programme that for some, smoking gets them thinking time. I am not a smoker. Gets them thinking time. I am not a smoker, have never been but i am not going smoker, have never been but i am not going to smoker, have never been but i am not going to disagree with someone who says actually smoking helps me get through says actually smoking helps me get through the day. We all get through the day through the day. We all get through the day in through the day. We all get through the day in different ways. Very few people the day in different ways. Very few people now work on the old, you know. People now work on the old, you know, productivity line, where if you left know, productivity line, where if you left that line of course you were you left that line of course you were going away from your work. All ii l ht, were going away from your work. Right, simon, i were going away from your work. Fill right, simon, i need a response from debra. A couple of things. A quick response. The notion that it improves productivity is one thing but give us an idea of the ledger, the tax paid by smokers, pitted against their cost to the rest of us that smokers incur. The against their cost to the rest of us that smokers incur. Against their cost to the rest of us that smokers incur. The tax paid by smokers is that smokers incur. The tax paid by smokers is around that smokers incur. The tax paid by smokers is around 10 that smokers incur. The tax paid by smokers is around 10 billion that smokers incur. The tax paid by smokers is around 10 billion which l smokers is around 10 billion which is more than the nhs but not more than the total cost to public finances because smokers get sick, they need more social security, they need more social care and they need it on average ten years earlier. And they also are more likely to be of six others absenteeism, all these costs but going back to quickly, congratulations on quitting, 30 of people diagnosed with lung cancer or smoking and carry on smoking because it is so addictive. And even once you are diagnosed with lung cancer, cutting can improve your life expectancy, nearly double that at that point and improve your quality of life so this idea does not addictive isjust of life so this idea does not addictive is just not right. Of life so this idea does not addictive isjust not right. On of life so this idea does not addictive is just not right. On the productivity, smokers, it is absolutely right it is smokers who pgy absolutely right it is smokers who pay. The profits of the Tobacco Industry on average they make 50 net operating profit compared to the average for uk manufacturing up 10 and thats selling a lethal product that kills Up To Two Thirds of its users and thats why ash wants to see Tobacco Manufacturers having their profits capped so they are not paying. Their profits capped so they are not a inc. ~ their profits capped so they are not. A in. , their profits capped so they are not a inc. , their profits capped so they are not a inc. ~. � , paying. Thank you so much. Im still stuck in the paying. Thank you so much. Im still stuck in the notion paying. Thank you so much. Im still stuck in the notion that paying. Thank you so much. Im still stuck in the notion that smoking i stuck in the notion that smoking increases productivity. What do you think . It is a tax, as a kid i had to deal with the awful bullying about the smell of smoke on my clothes were my parents, to embarrass me inviting people over, my brother spent his first birthday in hospital with severe asthma and he almost died several times in his childhood years. Even at a young age a connection between poor health and smoking, it isnt about the smoking, its about the negative effects to others, my brother smokes, scarily and my brother does to as well as my parents and it scares me to see his health deteriorate. This text says i am 75, had a stroke three years ago, almost housebound for the last month, had a cigarette each day for a month and it is the highlight of my day. Sydney in peterhead in aberdeenshire, the north east of scotland. A couple more, i have a catch up with eight retired friends and former colleagues about every six weeks and in the past year we have lost two of them, heavy smokers. And why dont the government raised duties to a packet of cigarettes cost £20 a pack and use the extra money so nonsmokers can access the nhs as well . That is for mandy. Thank you so much. 08085 909693, give us a call, send us a text on 85085. More to come, it is 9 34am. Here is the news with beth and holmes. Good morning. Most of the cancer waiting time targets in england are expected to be scrapped. The targets have been routinely missed in recent years. Labour says the government is Moving The Goalposts after repeated failures. The Health Secretary Steve Barclay insists progress is being made in the Survival Rate for all cancers patients. The government is considering putting new inserts inside Cigarette Packets to encourage people to quit smoking. Theyd set out the health and financial benefits of giving up. Ministers will consult on the plans. At least 93 people have been killed by the wildfires on the Hawaiian Island of maui. Hundreds of people are still missing. Much of the town of lahaina are still missing. Has been turned to ash. Are still missing. Dorset council says it told a Home Office Official about traces of bacteria on the bibby stockholm earlier than the government has admitted. Asylum seekers boarded the Barge Last Monday But were removed on friday after legionella was found. Ministers say they didnt know about the findings until wednesday but the council insists they knew the day before. Those were your headlines and now with the sport, it is mike mccarthy. West ham have signed england Midfielderjames Ward prowse from southampton for a fee in the region of 30 million pounds. Hes agreed a four year deal. The hammers are still looking to sign england defender Harry Maguire for a similar fee, with his Manchester United manager erik ten hag telling maguire hed be better off leaving if hes not confident enough to fight for his spot at old trafford. Meanwhile, chelsea look to be heading for another british record signing. Theyve had a £115 million bid for brighton midfielder Moises Caicedo accepted. The player still needs to have a medical. A new rugby Union Tournament designed to offer more Womens International matches outside world cup years will launch in october, with england taking on World Champions new zealand in aukland. Wales are also in the top tier of the three tier competition. Scotland start in the second tier. Rory mcilroy and Tommy Fleetwood both finished one shot off the pace at golf� s stjude championship. Lucas glover made it back to back pga tour victories by beating fellow american Patrick Cantlay in a play off. Glovers form count put him into the us ryder cup team. It is smoking this morning, in many ways we have got some more interesting call is coming up but let me tell you about 10am, we are on radio and telly until ten get to us on bbc sounds or on your wireless and it is a good one. Did Lockdown Damage children . 40 leading charities and experts have written a letter to the chair of the Covid Inquiry saying children are being silenced. The inquiry wasnt due to consider the impact on children at all but pressure from campaigners prompted it to be added to scope. Save the children and nspcc are among the groups saying the delay is unacceptable. So lets talk about the damage. It may have been useful in stopping the spread but did we properly consider the long term damage . A recent survey of more than 6,000 parents in england suggested Lockdown Damaged the Emotional Development of almost half of children. Emotionally, educationally, socially . We have much to talk about and that is at 10am. Alison is in willoughby, stephen is in leeds. Hello sarah is in blackpool. I think we have emma coming up as well. Sarah, what would you like to say . I coming up as well. Sarah, what would you like to say . You like to say . I am a smoker. I have given you like to say . I am a smoker. I have given up you like to say . I am a smoker. I have given up in you like to say . I am a smoker. I have given up in the you like to say . I am a smoker. I have given up in the past you like to say . I am a smoker. I have given up in the past over. You like to say . I am a smoker. I have given up in the past over al have given up in the past over a period of time and i chose to go back to smoking. Like your previous guest i enjoy a cigarette. My main concern personally as i work with teenagers and the amount of teenagers and the amount of teenagers vaping and using vaping to access is for many more concerning than trying to stop adults who have their own minds and thought processes from Stopping Smoking. We need to concentrate on this dynamic of society. Young people are vaping, inhaling, even though it clearly states on the box do not inhale. The nhs is promoting vaping as an alternative to smoking and i think there is no research, not real Long Term Research being done on vaping and next generation of smokers to be using vaping to the extent that they are, i think that will cause a massive, massive impact on the nhs in ten years time. The other issue on the nhs in ten years time. The other issue of on the nhs in ten years time. The other issue of course as it is a gateway. Other issue of course as it is a catewa. ~. , other issue of course as it is a gateway other issue of course as it is a catewa. , ,. , gateway. More so than smokers who have been smoking gateway. More so than smokers who have been smoking for gateway. More so than smokers who have been smoking for a gateway. More so than smokers who have been smoking for a long gateway. More so than smokers who have been smoking for a long time l have been smoking for a long time and are perfectly aware of the Health Implications of it. We really need to concentrate on teenagers and vaping. Need to concentrate on teenagers and vain. ~ , need to concentrate on teenagers and vain. ~ ,, need to concentrate on teenagers and vain. , , vaping. Thank you. Stephen in leeds, emma in devon. Vaping. Thank you. Stephen in leeds, emma in devon, emma vaping. Thank you. Stephen in leeds, emma in devon, emma first vaping. Thank you. Stephen in leeds, emma in devon, emma first and i vaping. Thank you. Stephen in leeds, emma in devon, emma first and thenj emma in devon, emma first and then stephen. Emma in devon, emma first and then stehen. , emma in devon, emma first and then ste hen,. ,. ,. , emma in devon, emma first and then stehen. ,. , stephen. Good morning. What is your oint . Stephen. Good morning. What is your point . Good stephen. Good morning. What is your point . Good morning, stephen. Good morning. What is your point . Good morning, personal point . Good morning, personal experiences, sitting outside, waiting experiences, sitting outside, waiting for husband to come out from his oncology treatment, horrified by the amount of people, patients, sitting the amount of people, patients, sitting smoking. Personally, ijust think sitting smoking. Personally, Ijust Think Treatment should be denied until they stop. What treatment . Any cancer until they stop. What treatment . Any Cancer Treatment. Until they stop. What treatment . Any cancertreatment. Lung until they stop. What treatment . Any Cancer Treatment. Lung cancer, any treatment Cancer Treatment. Lung cancer, any treatment that people have to have for cancer, treatment that people have to have for cancer, smoking related diseases. For cancer, smoking related diseases, should be denied until they can diseases, should be denied until they can get it under control and stob they can get it under control and sto. ,. ,. , they can get it under control and sto. ,. ,. ,n stop. Stephen, what do you think . Stehen in stop. Stephen, what do you think . Stephen in leeds, stop. Stephen, what do you think . Stephen in leeds, good stop. Stephen, what do you think . Stephen in leeds, good morning. I stop. Stephen, what do you think . I stephen in leeds, good morning. Good morninu. I stephen in leeds, good morning. Good morning i have stephen in leeds, good morning. 2an morning. I have spoken stephen in leeds, good morning. emf. Morning. I have spoken to stephen in leeds, good morning. 2an morning. I have spoken to you before about this, the smoking issue. Just res ond about this, the smoking issue. Just resond to about this, the smoking issue. Just respond to what emma said, did you hear what emma said . Bear respond to what emma said, did you hear what emma said . Respond to what emma said, did you hear what emma said . Bear with me. We raise 89 hear what emma said . Bear with me. We raise 8. 9 billion hear what emma said . Bear with me. We raise 8. 9 billion ring hear what emma said . Bear with me. We raise 8. 9 billion ring fenced hear what emma said . Bear with me. We raise 8. 9 billion ring fenced to we raise 8. 9 billion ring fenced to the nhs through tobacco taxes. 50 we do not cost the nhs any money, in fact, we give the nhs money. They dont know, two, people dont know how many people are smoking at the moment only because of tobacco taxes. A lot of people get their cigarettes from abroad, they actually get dodgy cigarettes, i could take you to shops in yorkshire for you can pay £3 for a packet of cigarettes and they are not proper cigarettes. If you are going to do anything in life, just ban alcohol, its far more dangerous to society than smoking and i get fed up, the smokers being targeted for years and years and years. Primarily because people do not like the smell of smokers. You know . It smells, bubbly smokers. You know . It smells, bubbly smokers cannot even smell that Smell Butjust smokers cannot even smell that smell but just leave smokers cannot even smell that Smell Butjust leave us alone let us enjoy our lives theres so many things in society at the moment yet smokers are being targeted and a bit like to ask deborah from ash, who funds these anti smoking organisations . But funds these antismoking organisations . Funds these antismoking organisations . Funds these antismoking oruanisations . �. , organisations . But who funds the prosmoking organisations . But who funds the prosmoking organisations . Organisations . But who funds the prosmoking organisations . You| organisations . But who funds the i prosmoking organisations . You are pro smoking organisations . You are always welcome. Listen, listen, emma, the message there, leave us alone you heard it, leave us alone that is fine, if it is something you enjoy, that is fine, if it is something you enjoy, that that is fine, if it is something you enjoy, that is fine. But in my personal enjoy, that is fine. But in my personal view, we know it adds to Health Personal view, we know it adds to Health Implications and our wedding shoes Health Implications and our wedding shoes are Health Implications and our wedding shoes are horrendous you know . At the best shoes are horrendous you know . At the best of shoes are horrendous you know . At the best of times. Ijust think people the best of times. Ijust think people out there, my husband being one of people out there, my husband being one of them, never smoked in his life one of them, never smoked in his life they one of them, never smoked in his life. They should either be denied or put life. They should either be denied or put to life. They should either be denied or put to the back of the queue. People or put to the back of the queue. People who have lived a healthy life. People who have lived a healthy life can people who have lived a healthy life. Can be offered that treatment, faster. Life. Can be offered that treatment, faster, quicker, you know, to help them faster, quicker, you know, to help them because they have not inhaled to which them because they have not inhaled to which we know affects our health. Carol ih to which we know affects our health. Carol in bedford. Pretty good. From emma but what would you like to say . You are a respiratory specialist nurse, what about the hard line from emma, anyone who smokes or is vaping regards cancer should be denied treatment until they stop . That is not the way treatment until they stop . That is not the way the treatment until they stop . That is not the way the nhs treatment until they stop . That is not the way the nhs works. Treatment until they stop . 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I have got the countries where there is no smoking in the world but i will come to those in a second but lets go to darren in clapham. Stephen is still with us. And to visit, alison coming up . Darren, good morning, your point could . I up . Darren, good morning, your point could . , , up . Darren, good morning, your point could . ,. , could . I completely agree with deborah. Could . I completely agree with deborah in could . I completely agree with deborah. In terms could . I completely agree with deborah. In terms of could . I completely agree with deborah. In terms of cost could . I completely agree with deborah. In terms of cost to i could . I completely agree with l deborah. In terms of cost to the could . I completely agree with deborah. In terms of cost to the nhs my mother in law died from copd, we looked after herfor 18 my mother in law died from copd, we looked after her for 18 months so its notjust the cost of the nhs, its notjust the cost of the nhs, it is the cost to people looking after people debilitated from smoking and there is a lot of home care going on and people talking about obesity and alcohol as a problem and they cost the nhs money. They are making the argument we should take smoking more seriously. If something cost the nhs more money we should tackle those problems. The food lobby is very powerful, just as is the tobacco lobby and alcohol lobby and we should be looking at ways we can improve Peoples Health across the board. 50 ways we can improve Peoples Health across the board. So yeah, by all means, tackle obesity, tackle alcohol problems and tackle smoking as well. And it seems to me most of the people that are saying this is an individual choice, and it is true, i have no problem with people smoking but we need to look at the system, the marketing, the fact suppression by the Tobacco Companies who have made a huge amount of money by lying to the public about the damage this does to their health and that has been well documented. Kamel was using cartoons to market to children which is the same is vaping so i think we should dismantle the Tobacco Companies and they should be held accountable for the damage they have caused. They knew it was causing damage to health so the people that are saying they enjoyed smoking, used to be a smoker, they arejust addicts and smoking, used to be a smoker, they are just addicts and we need to be honest, they are feeding an addiction so anything we can do to dismantle the smoking industry and told his people to account, of course, doing untold damage to peoples lives, take them to court, prosecute them, hold the executive to account, find out why they have lied, its an absolute travesty we have allowed these people took us so much damage to people. Much damage to people. Debbie, are ou there . Much damage to people. Debbie, are you there . I much damage to people. Debbie, are you there . I am much damage to people. Debbie, are you there . I am here, much damage to people. Debbie, are you there . I am here, good much damage to people. Debbie, arej you there . I am here, good morning. You there . Iam here, good morning. Meet you there . Iam here, good morning. Meet darren, you there . Iam here, good morning. Meet darren, did you hear his points . What do you think . What did you think of his points . Meiji. Points . What do you think . What did you think of his points . You think of his points . Well, i dont agree. You think of his points . Well, i dont agree, actually. You think of his points . Well, i dont agree, actually. I you think of his points . Well, i dont agree, actually. I dont. You think of his points . Well, i dont agree, actually. I dont agree at alt dont agree, actually. I dont agree at alt i dont agree, actually. I dont agree at alt i used dont agree, actually. I dont agree at all. I used to smoke but i vape now at all. I used to smoke but i vape now i at all. I used to smoke but i vape now i also, at all. I used to smoke but i vape now i also, i at all. I used to smoke but i vape now. I also, i think there is alcohol now. I also, i think there is alcohol related problems, and it infuriates alcohol related problems, and it infuriates me to think the amount of alcohol infuriates me to think the amount of alcohol that causes the nhs problems such as alcohol that causes the nhs problems such as ambulances going out to people such as ambulances going out to people who are permanently drunk when people who are permanently drunk when they people who are permanently drunk when they should be going out to people when they should be going out to people having heart attacks. They dont people having heart attacks. They dont put people having heart attacks. They dont put pictures of livers on bottles dont put pictures of livers on bottles of alcohol. You know, you can go bottles of alcohol. You know, you can go into bottles of alcohol. You know, you can go into morrisons with your £5 coupon can go into morrisons with your £5 coupon and can go into morrisons with your £5 coupon and ask for it of a packet of cigarettes coupon and ask for it of a packet of cigarettes. You can go and have it from cigarettes. You can go and have it from a cigarettes. You can go and have it from a bottle of wine. As far as i am concerned alcohol causes more problems am concerned alcohol causes more problems than i feel than somebody who sits problems than i feel than somebody who sits there having a cigarette on their own who sits there having a cigarette on their own. , who sits there having a cigarette on their own. ,. ,. ,. , their own. That is not an argument we should rrot their own. That is not an argument we should not tackle their own. That is not an argument we should not tackle smoking. Their own. That is not an argument| we should not tackle smoking. That is not an argument. It is what about marie . We should do something about both of them, surely . If something is damaging your health, we should do something about it. Your argument is counterintuitive for me, im afraid, it doesnt make sense. Lslate] afraid, it doesnt make sense. Well i dont agree. Afraid, it doesnt make sense. Well i dont agree. I afraid, it doesnt make sense. Well i dont agree, i do afraid, it doesnt make sense. Well i dont agree, i do both. I have a cigarette i dont agree, i do both. I have a cigarette and i drink, i have seen more cigarette and i drink, i have seen more problems across the nhs with. It doesnt more problems across the nhs with. It doesnt mean we should not do something about smoking. Talking about alcohol. Theres campaign about alcohol. Theres campaign about alcohol. Theres campaign about alcohol. Smokers are addicts, it is hard. In terms of stopping treatment, if people, if you are going to hold people accountable then surely you have to hold the Tobacco Companies accountable . 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As far as i was concerned people now, the non smoking ban in the pubs, it riven non smoking ban in the pubs, it riven the non smoking ban in the pubs, it riven the pub industry as far as i was concerned. You have to go and stand was concerned. You have to go and stand outside, it is a free country, you are stand outside, it is a free country, you are entitled to do what you want you are entitled to do what you want. Do you are entitled to do what you want. ,. , you are entitled to do what you want. , ~ ,. , you are entitled to do what you want. ~ ,. , you are entitled to do what you want. ,. , want. Do you think people should be able to smoke want. Do you think people should be able to smoke inside want. Do you think people should be able to smoke inside pubs . Want. Do you think people should be able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, want. Do you think people should be able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, i l able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, i do. Able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, i do instead able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, i do. Instead they able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, i do. Instead they are able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, i do. Instead they are going able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, i do. Instead they are going to able to smoke inside pubs . Yes, i i do. Instead they are going to home, by all do. Instead they are going to home, by all the do. Instead they are going to home, by all the cheap alcohol, what the supermarkets because it so much cheaper. Supermarkets because it so much cheaper, sit there because they can have a cheaper, sit there because they can have a cigarette at home and the cheap have a cigarette at home and the cheap alcohol. It needs to be put up cheap alcohol. It needs to be put up in cheap alcohol. It needs to be put up in line cheap alcohol. It needs to be put up in line with cigarettes, that price up in line with cigarettes, that price in up in line with cigarettes, that price. In the livers should be put on the price. 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Make them become addicts. I think we need to look at. Make them become addicts. Debbie, i i think we need to look at. Make them become addicts. Debbie, carry on. ,. , on. People went into bars, fellows would no on. People went into bars, fellows would go into on. People went into bars, fellows would go into bars, on. People went into bars, fellows would go into bars, watch on. People went into bars, fellows would go into bars, watch the would go into bars, watch the football, would go into bars, watch the football, what i am trying to say is that all football, what i am trying to say is that all they do is penalise people who smoke but yet do not penalise people who smoke but yet do not penalise people who drink that to me causes multiple people who drink that to me causes multiple problems for society, you know . Multiple problems for society, you know . I multiple problems for society, you know . I was at wythenshawe hospital not two know . I was at wythenshawe hospital not two years ago and i remember this lady not two years ago and i remember this lady was that drug she was walking this lady was that drug she was Walking Around with a bottle of wine and then Walking Around with a bottle of wine and then just Walking Around with a bottle of wine and thenjust decided to bend down and thenjust decided to bend down and urinate outside you do not get that with and urinate outside you do not get that with someone sitting there having that with someone sitting there having a that with someone sitting there having a cigarette, not minding their having a cigarette, not minding their own having a cigarette, not minding their own business. It infuriates me, their own business. It infuriates me, actually. Their own business. It infuriates me. Actually their own business. It infuriates me, actually. Ellie, hi, alice and i will be with me, actually. Ellie, hi, alice and i will be with you. Me, actually. 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Let me say it is time to say goodbye to viewers on bbc news and bbc two but this conversation continues on bbc radio 5 live, bbc sounds and we will also talk about the effect of covid on children. Live from london. This is bbc news the Hawaii Governor calls for help as 96 people are killed and thousands left homeless by devastating wildfires. Nigers coup leaders say they will prosecute toppled president bazoum for treason. As waiting lists for people needing Cancer Treatment in england grow targets are now being axed. And everythings coming up rose in the uk where a wash out injuly brings a bumper crop for wine producers. Hello. Welcome to the programne im frankie mccamley. Five days after Deadly Wildfires hit the us state of hawaii search and recovery teams are still sifting through the remains. The death toll currently stands at 96 making it the worst us disaster of its kind in more than a century. 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