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But the energy giant bp has seen its profits slump by two thirds because of a sharp drop in wholesale energy prices. How are you feeling about this . It is ambitious, isnt it . How do you feel about the governments plans to ban petrol and diesel cars that are new by 2030. Let me expand on a couple of things. Borisjohnson said amidst much of a fanfare, our green Industrial Revolution will be powered by the Wind Turbines of scotland, in the north east propelled by the electric vehicles made in the midlands and advanced by the latest technologies developed in wales, so we can look ahead to a more prosperous, greenerfuture. November 2020. More prosperous, greenerfuture. November2020. If more prosperous, greenerfuture. November 2020. If you like the band but dont like the man but that is what he said. It was a big speech. And also there is a big campaign by the sun today for motorists, they have a five point plan to protect the Great British motorist. Another point to put, even the Chief Executive of the governments Climate Change Committee Chris stark is saying this target should be relaxed on the grounds that Electric Cars are still far too expensive for ordinary motorists to buy. But the day will come inevitably when we are electric, all electric, so maybe we should just get that as soon as possible, and bite the bullet. 08085 909693, text on 08085 and lets see what you think about this massive issue for so many people. The Sun Newspaper has a five point manifesto for drivers to be protected from the rush to zero before the country is ready. I guess that readiness is one of the big points here. Nick smith, electric car enthusiast, as are many of you. Hello, nick, good to have you on. Howard cox, founder of the fair uk campaign, back, howard. Do you think this is madness . Why . Lets get this clear, i am pro electric vehicles and pro cleaning up the air quality and lowering emissions and all of those things but the government are walking into an economic armageddon. I implemented a report with the Motorcycle Action Group and the alliance of british drivers that showed the green benefits of the 2030 ban will actually be, the costs will be five times the benefits, Something Like 400 billion against 80 billion in terms of the benefits. That cant be right, what we need to do is not be the first to ban diesel and petrol cars, we need to delay it or even scrap it completely and allow Clean Fuel Technology to evolve. ~. ,. ,. , evolve. Which is what they are lookin evolve. Which is what they are looking at evolve. Which is what they are looking at in evolve. Which is what they are looking at in europe, evolve. Which is what they are looking at in europe, it evolve. Which is what they are looking at in europe, it is evolve. Which is what they are l looking at in europe, it is rather more complicated there. Tell us about the Clean Fuel Technology you are so hopeful for. Are so hopeful for. There are a number of are so hopeful for. There are a number of issues. Are so hopeful for. There are a number of issues. For are so hopeful for. There are a l number of issues. For example, are so hopeful for. There are a number of issues. For example, in the states it is in legislation that a lot of the states deliver in bulk fuels to the forecourts fuel catalysts, and already we are seeing a 50 reduction in emissions and a 10 rise in fuel efficiency. And of course there are electric vehicles and hydrogen. We shouldnt be forced into one mode of transport. The only way electric vehicles are going to succeed is to ban diesel and petrol, people are not choosing electric vehicles as a choice. Interesting. 08085 909693, vehicles as a choice. Interesting. 08085 909693, 08085. Vehicles as a choice. 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We are seeing people from is an issue. We are seeing people from all is an issue. We are seeing people from all sorts of demographics switching to electric. There is a small switching to electric. There is a small group of people that are adamantly anti electric and i dont understand the psychology behind that. Understand the psychology behind that you understand the psychology behind that. You see it below the Comment Sections that. You see it below the Comment Sections in that. You see it below the Comment Sections in many of the papers. They are cleaner, sections in many of the papers. They are cleaner, they are more fun to drive are cleaner, they are more fun to drive. Electric car drivers drive generally drive. Electric car drivers drive generally more miles because. While generally more miles because. White much more fun to drive is pretty white much more fun to drive is pretty subjective. I mean, obviously feelings pretty subjective. I mean, obviously feelings are important but lets Stick Feelings are important but lets stick to feelings are important but lets stick to the facts and the infrastructure here. We are heading there infrastructure here. We are heading there we infrastructure here. We are heading there. We had some interesting points there. We had some interesting points from howard, to be fair. But it is a points from howard, to be fair. It is a massive points from howard, to be fair. Pm it is a massive challenge facing society. Wouldnt it be reasonable to delay it until 2035 . Look, Charging Points, nowhere near ubiquitous enough. Battery factories, big problems there. The energy grid itself, we are way behind. This was a bit of Bold Boosterism by borisjohnson who, whatever you say about boris johnson, he was a very environmentally minded ulster but we arejust not ready, environmentally minded ulster but we are just not ready, nick. Environmentally minded ulster but we arejust not ready, nick. It is environmentally minded ulster but we are just not ready, nick. Are ust not ready, nick. It is a bit are just not ready, nick. It is a bit of a myth are just not ready, nick. It is a bit of a myth that are just not ready, nick. It is a bit of a myth that electric are just not ready, nick. It is a | bit of a myth that electric grids are not bit of a myth that electric grids are not ready. Grids are built for peak are not ready. Grids are built for peak needs, not average needs and eleciric peak needs, not average needs and Electric Cars peak needs, not average needs and Electric Cars have been proven to actually, Electric Cars have been proven to actually, certainly when you have technologies like a vehicle to grid, they are technologies like a vehicle to grid, they are actually smooth demand on they are actually smooth demand on the grid they are actually smooth demand on the grid rather than having massive peaks, the grid rather than having massive peaks, as the grid rather than having massive peaks, as you have smart grids you can charge peaks, as you have smart grids you can charge a peaks, as you have smart grids you can charge a car when electricity is cheap, can charge a car when electricity is cheap, when it is freely available. When cheap, when it is freely available. When it cheap, when it is freely available. When it comes to petrol, diesel, where when it comes to petrol, diesel, where irn when it comes to petrol, diesel, where im from in south wales, we have where im from in south wales, we have one where im from in south wales, we have one of where im from in south wales, we have one of the most polluted streets have one of the most polluted streets in have one of the most polluted streets in the uk and they ended up having streets in the uk and they ended up having to streets in the uk and they ended up having to rip down 20 or 30 rows of houses having to rip down 20 or 30 rows of houses that having to rip down 20 or 30 rows of houses that had been there for 80 years houses that had been there for 80 years because air quality was just horrendous. Certainly in london the research horrendous. Certainly in london the Research Shows there are thousands of people Research Shows there are thousands of people dying prematurely every year~ of people dying prematurely every year~ the of people dying prematurely every ear. Th. , of people dying prematurely every ear. Th. ,. Of people dying prematurely every year the a of people dying prematurely every year. The a liar . Year. The that is a lie. A liar . That is a year. The that is a lie. A liar . That is a complete year. The that is a lie. A liar . That is a complete lie. Year. The that is a lie. A liar . That is a complete lie. The i year. The that is a lie. A liar . That is a complete lie. The 4000 deaths that keep coming out from the sadiq khan is a complete and utter lie. I have asked for Freedom Of Information requests. It is difficult to information requests. It is difficult to quantify information requests. It is difficult to quantify because there are Long Term Health implications. 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Let me put these arguments out there. 0bviously Electric Cars are central to this but Electric Cars are cheaper overall to run in terms of charging and insurance and servicing. We need to encourage them, we can become market leaders, we can become global leaders. There is much talk about how we are in a position to do that for all sorts of reasons. Much cleanerfor position to do that for all sorts of reasons. Much cleaner for the environment, air pollution, that is a scientific fact. And also you wont have to pay any congestion charge, orany wont have to pay any congestion charge, or any yulo scheme, low emissions scheme. Mandy in barnstable, clean air, barnstaple. Mike hawes, Chief Executive of the society of Motor Manufacturers and traders, coming on as well, this 2030 ban, is it realistic . Good morning, mandy. 2030 ban, is it realistic . Good morning, mandy. 2030 ban, is it realistic . Good mornina, mand. , morning, mandy. Morning. I love the comments you morning, mandy. Morning. I love the comments you have morning, mandy. Morning. I love the comments you have been morning, mandy. Morning. I love the comments you have been saying. I morning, mandy. Morning. I love the comments you have been saying. We have actually got an electric car in birmingham that we have just relocated to north devon and we have two Electric Cars and we have had to leave one in birmingham because it is the older style, so we are having to pay a diesel low loader to transport it down to us. It kind of defeats the object there. And the infrastructure just isnt there at the moment. We have had every single kind of issue when we are trying to charge our car on the way to devon every time. Even in devon now we struggle to find somewhere to charge it and we are having to go to a mcdonalds, obviously other Food Services are available, but is the only place we can seem to get a charge from, which is crazy, you know, in 2030 we are just not ready for it. I want it to be ready. But its just not possible. For it. I want it to be ready. But itsjust not possible. Itsjust not possible. Nick, convinced itsjust not possible. Nick, convinced mandy itsjust not possible. Nick, convinced mandy that i itsjust not possible. Nick, convinced mandy that she l itsjust not possible. Nick, | convinced mandy that she is itsjust not possible. Nick, convinced mandy that she is going itsjust not possible. Nick, convinced mandy that she is going to be able to charge her car with sufficient ease by 2030 because it doesnt look like it right now, the convenience factor is not there, is it, nick . ,. , it, nick . Yes, Charging Infrastructure it, nick . Yes, Charging Infrastructure is it, nick . Yes, Charging Infrastructure is an i it, nick . Yes, Charging I Infrastructure is an issue. I it, nick . Yes, Charging Infrastructure is an issue. I think it is improving on a day to day basis it is improving on a day to day basis we it is improving on a day to day basis. We are getting these mega charge basis. We are getting these mega Charge Points installed that can charge Charge Points installed that can charge 50 or 60 cars at the same time charge 50 or 60 cars at the same time very charge 50 or 60 cars at the same time very rapidly. My own experience of driving time very rapidly. My own experience of driving an time very rapidly. My own experience of driving an electric car to qatar in the of driving an electric car to qatar in the world cup, the infrastructure in the world cup, the infrastructure in europe in the world cup, the infrastructure in europe is in the world cup, the infrastructure in europe is much more advanced than we have in europe is much more advanced than we have in in europe is much more advanced than we have in wales. Ive done the same trip down we have in wales. Ive done the same trip down to we have in wales. Ive done the same trip down to devon from south wales and there trip down to devon from south wales and there are Service Stations with 50 or and there are Service Stations with 50 or 60 and there are Service Stations with 50 or 60 Charge Points. The issue is that heraldry is moving on. The 50 or 60 Charge Points. The issue is that heraldry is moving on. That heraldry is moving on. The 50 or60 that heraldry is moving on. The 50 or 60 charge that heraldry is moving on. The 50 or 60 Charge Points, that heraldry is moving on. The 50 or 60 Charge Points, sorry, that heraldry is moving on. The 50 or 60 Charge Points, sorry, the i that heraldry is moving on. The 50. Or 60 Charge Points, sorry, the only place we have come across from birmingham to north devon where there is a sufficient amount, they are all tesla chargers, so we cant even use those. Even use those. There is a new Service Station even use those. There is a new Service Station in even use those. There is a new Service Station in bridgwater, l even use those. There is a new l Service Station in bridgwater, but the last Service Station in bridgwater, but the last time i was there they were still building it, that was the beginning of the year. Im not going to pretend beginning of the year. Im not going to pretend there isnt issues for those to pretend there isnt issues for those longerjourneys. Will to pretend there isnt issues for those longerjourneys. To pretend there isnt issues for those longerjourneys. Those longer ourneys. Will we sort it out in those longerjourneys. Will we sort it out in seven those longerjourneys. Will we sort it out in seven years . Those longerjourneys. Will we sort it out in seven years . Is those longerjourneys. Will we sort it out in seven years . Is that i it out in seven years . Is that doable . Is there the will . We have Robert Llewellyn, everyone, good news, a big ev fan, host of a youtube series called fully charged. Good morning. 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What if you live what if you live in. . I have two Electric Cars. What if you live in l Electric Cars. What if you live in somewhere Electric Cars. What if you live in somewhere remote Electric Cars. What if you live in somewhere remote in Electric Cars. What if you live in l somewhere remote in scotland . Electric cars. What if you live in somewhere remote in scotland . You are lucky because there are more charges are lucky because there are more charges in are lucky because there are more charges in scotland are lucky because there are more charges in scotland than are lucky because there are more charges in scotland than in are lucky because there are more l charges in scotland than in england so that charges in scotland than in england so that is charges in scotland than in england so that is not charges in scotland than in england so that is not a charges in scotland than in england so that is not a good charges in scotland than in england so that is not a good excuse. 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But it is a business and people can see it as a the case. But it is a business and people can see it as a business. The case. But it is a business and. People can see it as a business and they will people can see it as a business and they will install people can see it as a business and they will install them. People can see it as a business and they will install them. That people can see it as a business and they will install them. That is people can see it as a business and they will install them. That is what| they will install them. That is what is happening. They will install them. That is what is happening. It they will install them. That is what is happening. It is they will install them. That is what is happening, it is not they will install them. That is what is happening, it is not being they will install them. That is what| is happening, it is not being funded try is happening, it is not being funded by the is happening, it is not being funded by the government. Is happening, it is not being funded by the government. Inth . Is happening, it is not being funded by the government. By the government. Why arent we installin by the government. Why arent we installing them . By the government. Why arent we installing them . Why by the government. Why arent we installing them . Why arent by the government. Why arent we installing them . Why arent we. Installing them . Why arent we seeing these Companies Taking over Petrol Stations . I seeing these Companies Taking over Petrol Stations . Petrol stations . I guess the. Uestion Petrol Stations . I guess the question is. Petrol stations . I guess the question is, it Petrol Stations . I guess the question is, it is Petrol Stations . I guess the question is, it is a Petrol Stations . I guess the question is, it is a good Petrol Stations . I guess the l question is, it is a good one, robert, where is the impetus going to come from . It has got to be the profit motive. As you said we could be market leaders, we could be global leaders. Are we up and running on that . Reign not yet, no. Not in the way you are talking about were if even a quarter of the cars were if even a quarter of the cars we use on the road were electric. We are still nowhere near that. But by 2030 we will be a way past that. Br; 2030 we will be a way past that. By 2030 we will be a way past that. By 2030 we will be a way past that. By 2030 we only need to supply electricity 2030 we only need to supply electricity for 2030 we only need to supply electricity for about 2030 we only need to supply electricity for about half 2030 we only need to supply electricity for about half of l 2030 we only need to supply. Electricity for about half of the castle electricity for about half of the castle use~ electricity for about half of the castle use. There electricity for about half of the castle use. There are electricity for about half of the castle use. There are too electricity for about half of the | castle use. There are too many electricity for about half of the castle use. There are too many cars anyway. Castle use. There are too many cars anyway. Too castle use. There are too many cars anyway. Too many castle use. There are too many cars anyway, too many people castle use. There are too many cars anyway, too many people own castle use. There are too many cars anyway, too many people own too i castle use. There are too many cars anyway, too many people own too many cars, anyway, too many people own too many cars. We anyway, too many people own too many cars. We need anyway, too many people own too many cars. We need less anyway, too many people own too many cars, we need less cars anyway, too many people own too many cars, we need less cars on anyway, too many people own too many cars, we need less cars on the anyway, too many people own too many cars, we need less cars on the road cars, we need less cars on the road and we cars, we need less cars on the road and we need cars, we need less cars on the road and we need to cars, we need less cars on the road and we need to use cars, we need less cars on the road and we need to use them cars, we need less cars on the road and we need to use them less cars, we need less cars on the road| and we need to use them less often and we need to use them less often and we and we need to use them less often and we need and we need to use them less often and we need to and we need to use them less often and we need to use and we need to use them less often and we need to use public and we need to use them less often and we need to use public transport and we need to use public transport and have and we need to use public transport and have safe and we need to use public transport and have safe cycling and we need to use public transport and have safe cycling of and we need to use public transport and have safe cycling of safe and have safe cycling of safe walking and have safe cycling of safe Walking Routes and have safe cycling of safe Walking Routes and and have safe cycling of safe Walking Routes and less and have safe cycling of safe Walking Routes and less air l Walking Routes and less air pollution. Walking routes and less air pollution, all Walking Routes and less air pollution, all of Walking Routes and less air pollution, all of those Walking Routes and less air i pollution, all of those things Walking Routes and less air pollution, all of those things are part of pollution, all of those things are part of the pollution, all of those things are part of the same pollution, all of those things are part of the same discussion. Pollution, all of those things are part of the same discussion. If. Pollution, all of those things are l part of the same discussion. If the only problem part of the same discussion. If the only problem is part of the same discussion. If the only problem is there part of the same discussion. If the only problem is there arent part of the same discussion. If the i only problem is there arent enough charge only problem is there arent enough Charge Points~~~ only problem is there arent enough Charge Points. There only problem is there arent enough Charge Points. There has only problem is there arent enough Charge Points. There has been Charge Points. There has been 14. 000 Charge Points. There has been 14. 000 new Charge Points. There has been 14,000 new charge Charge Points. There has been 14,000 new Charge Points Charge Points. There has been 14,000 new Charge Points put l Charge Points. There has been| 14,000 new Charge Points put in Charge Points. There has been 14,000 new Charge Points put in this year and 14,000 new Charge Points put in this year and its 14,000 new Charge Points put in this year and its only 14,000 new Charge Points put in this year and its only the 14,000 new Charge Points put in this year and its only the 1st 14,000 new Charge Points put in this year and its only the 1st of year and its only the 1st Of August year and its only the 1st Of August so year and its only the 1st Of August. So they year and its only the 1st Of August. So they are year and its only the 1st Of August. So they are appearing. But how august. So they are appearing. How many of those are working . August. So they are appearing how many of those are working . Where is this information from . I want electric but who collates the information . Every time i have gone to use a charge point, nine times out of ten there is a fault. Iteii out of ten there is a fault. I tell out of ten there is a fault. I tell you what. Out of ten there is a fault. I tell you what, mandy, out of ten there is a fault. I tell you what, mandy, you out of ten there is a fault. I tell you what, mandy, you should l out of ten there is a fault. I tell you what, mandy, you should be in line for a Presenting Gig on newsnight, this is a proper grilling. Respond to that. I newsnight, this is a proper grilling. Respond to that. I support electric. Robert grilling. Respond to that. I support electric. Robert llewellyn, grilling. Respond to that. I support electric. Robert llewellyn, go grilling. Respond to that. I support electric. Robert llewellyn, go on. | grilling. Respond to that. I support electric. Robert llewellyn, go on. I will question electric. Robert llewellyn, go on. I will question nine electric. Robert llewellyn, go on. I will question nine times electric. Robert llewellyn, go on. I will question nine times out electric. Robert llewellyn, go on. I will question nine times out of electric. Robert llewellyn, go on. I| will question nine times out of ten. I will question nine times out of ten. I would will question nine times out of ten. I would willingly will question nine times out of ten. I would willingly accept will question nine times out of ten. I would willingly accept two will question nine times out of ten. 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Charges since 2010 and i know what they are charges since 2010 and i know what they are like charges since 2010 and i know what they are like and charges since 2010 and i know what they are like and i charges since 2010 and i know what they are like and i know charges since 2010 and i know what they are like and i know how they are like and i know how incredibly they are like and i know how incredibly annoying they are like and i know how incredibly annoying it they are like and i know how incredibly annoying it is they are like and i know howl incredibly annoying it is when they are like and i know how incredibly annoying it is when they dont incredibly annoying it is when they dont work incredibly annoying it is when they dont work i incredibly annoying it is when they dont work. I know incredibly annoying it is when they dont work. I know the incredibly annoying it is when they dont work. I know the vile incredibly annoying it is when they l dont work. I know the vile language i dont work. I know the vile language i have dont work. I know the vile language i have shouted dont work. I know the vile language i have shouted at dont work. I know the vile language i have shouted at the dont work. I know the vile language i have shouted at the companies dont work. I know the vile language i i have shouted at the companies that run them. I have shouted at the companies that runthem. Not i have shouted at the companies that run them, not directly i have shouted at the companies that run them, not directly to i have shouted at the companies that run them, not directly to them, i have shouted at the companies that run them, not directly to them, but i run them, not directly to them, but ust run them, not directly to them, but just to run them, not directly to them, but just to the run them, not directly to them, but just to the sky run them, not directly to them, but just to the sky when run them, not directly to them, but just to the sky when they run them, not directly to them, but just to the sky when they dont run them, not directly to them, butj just to the sky when they dont run, and i just to the sky when they dont run, and i think just to the sky when they dont run, and i think if just to the sky when they dont run, and i think if you just to the sky when they dont run, and i think if you go just to the sky when they dont run, and i think if you go to just to the sky when they dont run, and i think if you go to a just to the sky when they dont run, and i think if you go to a car and i think if you go to a car charger and i think if you go to a Car Charger It and i think if you go to a Car Charger It is and i think if you go to a Car Charger It is not and i think if you go to a Car Charger It is not working and i think if you go to a carl charger it is not working that company charger it is not working that company that charger it is not working that company that is charger it is not working that company that is running charger it is not working that company that is running it i charger it is not working that company that is running it should be fined by company that is running it should be fined by the company that is running it should be fined by the hour company that is running it should be fined by the hour by company that is running it should be fined by the hour by a company that is running it should be fined by the hour by a competent. Fined by the hour by a competent government fined by the hour by a competent government who fined by the hour by a competent government who says fined by the hour by a competent government who says you fined by the hour by a competent government who says you cant l fined by the hour by a competent. Government who says you cant put this in government who says you cant put this in and government who says you cant put this in and not government who says you cant put this in and not run government who says you cant put this in and not run it, government who says you cant put this in and not run it, You Government who says you cant put this in and not run it, you have government who says you cant put this in and not run it, you have to. This in and not run it, you have to run it this in and not run it, you have to run it efficiently this in and not run it, you have to run it efficiently and this in and not run it, you have to run it efficiently and it this in and not run it, you have to run it efficiently and it has this in and not run it, you have to run it efficiently and it has to this in and not run it, you have to run it efficiently and it has to be i run it efficiently and it has to be reliable. Run it efficiently and it has to be reliable. It run it efficiently and it has to be reliable, it has run it efficiently and it has to be reliable, it has to run it efficiently and it has to be reliable, it has to be run it efficiently and it has to be reliable, it has to be easy run it efficiently and it has to be reliable, it has to be easy to run it efficiently and it has to be. Reliable, it has to be easy to use. That reliable, it has to be easy to use. That is reliable, it has to be easy to use. That is what reliable, it has to be easy to use. That is what we reliable, it has to be easy to use. That is what we should reliable, it has to be easy to use. That is what we should be reliable, it has to be easy to use. I that is what we should be shouting and stamping that is what we should be shouting and stamping our that is what we should be shouting and stamping our feet that is what we should be shouting and stamping our feet about. That is what we should be shouting| and stamping our feet about. There are charges and stamping our feet about. There are charges if and stamping our feet about. There are charges. If you and stamping our feet about. There are charges. If you look and stamping our feet about. There are charges. If you look at and stamping our feet about. There are charges. If you look at a and stamping our feet about. There are charges. If you look at a map i are charges. If you look at a map called are charges. If you look at a map called zap are charges. If you look at a map called zap app. Are charges. If you look at a map called zapapp. I are charges. If you look at a map called zap app, i dont are charges. If you look at a map called zap app, i dont want are charges. If you look at a map called zap app, i dont want to l are charges. If you look at a map i called zap app, i dont want to plug them called zap app, i dont want to plug them too called zap app, i dont want to plug them too much. Called zap app, i dont want to plug them too much, but called zap app, idont want to plug them too much, but they called zap app, i dont want to plug them too much, but they cover called zap app, i dont want to plug them too much, but they cover alli called zap app, i dont want to plug. Them too much, but they cover all of them too much, but they cover all of the charges them too much, but they cover all of the charges in them too much, but they cover all of the charges in the them too much, but they cover all of the charges in the country them too much, but they cover all of the charges in the country and them too much, but they cover all of the charges in the country and there| the charges in the country and there is a dense the charges in the country and there is a dense block the charges in the country and there is a dense block if the charges in the country and there is a dense block if you the charges in the country and there is a dense block if you zoom the charges in the country and there is a dense block if you zoom out the charges in the country and there is a dense block if you zoom out oni is a dense block if you zoom out on that map. Is a dense block if you zoom out on that map. There is a dense block if you zoom out on that map, there are is a dense block if you zoom out on that map, there are hundreds is a dense block if you zoom out on that map, there are hundreds of. That map, there are Hundreds Of Thousands that map, there are Hundreds Of Thousands of that map, there are Hundreds Of Thousands of them. That map, there are Hundreds Of Thousands of them. Not that map, there are Hundreds Of Thousands of them. That map, there are Hundreds Of Thousands of them. Not in the areas that i need them thousands of them. Not in the areas that i need them to thousands of them. Not in the areas that i need them to be. Thousands of them. Not in the areas that i need them to be. I thousands of them. Not in the areas that i need them to be. I cant that i need them to be. I cant travel. Sorry. Travel. Sorry. Its all right, dont go travel. Sorry. Its all right, dont go anywhere. Travel. Sorry. Its all right, dont go anywhere. When i l travel. Sorry. Its all right, l dont go anywhere. When i go travel. Sorry. Its all right, dont go anywhere. When i go on holiday you come in for some holiday relief here. It is a superb call. Texts, just a couple, then we will bring in steven broadstairs. Electric cars, can we reflect somewhere . The whole thing is a snare and delusion. Changing the type of car while not doing anything to get cars off the road, as robert said there, create a more sustainable lifestyle. Arguably you could improve rail, bus and walking and cycle infrastructure and car use would drop and there will be no need to endlessly fetishise motorised personal comfort boxes. There we are. Somebody said earlier, nick said they are more fun to drive. People have got hold of, got hold of an aston martin db five from the 605 may beg to differ but thats the thing times change and we need to move on and we know why we need to move on and we know why we need to move on. Stephen broadstairs, good morning, steve. Move on. Stephen broadstairs, good morning. Steve move on. Stephen broadstairs, good morning, steve. Are | move on. Stephen broadstairs, good i morning, steve. Are we morning, steve. Good morning. Are we auoin to morning, steve. Good morning. Are we going to get morning, steve. Good morning. Are we going to get there morning, steve. Good morning. Are we going to get there by morning, steve. Good morning. Are we going to get there by 2030 . Morning, steve. Good morning. Are we going to get there by 2030 . I morning, steve. Good morning. Are we going to get there by 2030 . I hope going to get there by 2030 . I hope so but im going to get there by 2030 . I hope so but lm not going to get there by 2030 . I hope so but im not confident going to get there by 2030 . I hope so but im not confident based going to get there by 2030 . I hope so but im not confident based on | going to get there by 2030 . I hope l so but im not confident based on my recent experience. My wife and i, we changed our ga5 guzzling diesels for electric vehicles last year for three main reasons. First the environmental issue. The second was the increasing cost of petrol. And the increasing cost of petrol. And the third was from a financial Point Of View there were some tax breaks for doing so. But within three months we have changed them back. We simply found that there wasnt the infrastructure to support them, let alone in the uk, but even worse in europe. So until that infrastructure is in place i wouldnt be confident to go back to electric vehicles. Dispiriting for you. Slightly depressing, trying to do the right thing and itjust didnt work out. And it cost me quite a lot of money in terms of changing vehicles and then switching them back and getting then switching them back and getting the Electric Point put in at home and everything. But what i found was that a car that is listed with a 250 mile range, in effect it is 200 and if you dare to put on the aircon or the radio it probably drops to about 180. My daughter is away at university in birmingham and i would have to stop once on the way and once on the way back to charge up in thatjourney. The other thing, it was even worse in france. When we were driving through france there just isnt the infrastructure available. We ended up driving through Winding Country Lanes to find one Charging Point in some sort of village off the main road. Yes. The other of village off the main road. Yes. The other thing of village off the main road. Yes. The other thing i of village off the main road. Yes. The other thing i found of village off the main road. Yes. The other thing i found in of village off the main road. Yes. The other thing i found in the uk is the other thing ifound in the uk is there is a scarcity of the high power Charging Points which are the faster charge where you can charge your vehicle in 45 minutes. A lot of them, the ones at the local supermarket and stuff like this, are the sort of seven Kilowatt Hour charges that add 30 miles so if you want to top up your car you have to sit there five hours to get a miles out of it. I understand its a lot better in the netherlands. I was speaking to another frustrated motorist in france and he was telling me how every couple of hundred yards on the road in the netherlands there is Charging Points and proper Charging Stations like Petrol Stations where you can go in and there are 20 points that you can fast charge on. And there are 20 points that you can fast charge om and there are 20 points that you can fast charge on. They are years ahead ofthe fast charge on. They are years ahead of the curve fast charge on. They are years ahead of the Curve On Fast Charge on. They are years ahead of the curve on us fast charge on. They are years ahead of the curve on us on fast charge on. They are years ahead of the curve on us On Bike Fast Charge on. They are years ahead of the curve on us on bike lanes, of the curve on us on bike lanes, for example, arent they . Exactly and i for example, arent they . Exactly and i think for example, arent they . Exactly and i think this for example, arent they . Exactly and i think this is for example, arent they . Exactly and i think this is the for example, arent they . Exactly and i think this is the same. For example, arent they . Exactly and i think this is the same. I and i think this is the same. I think until we have a similar setup to the set up in the netherlands, i dont see how it is going to work in practice. Dont see how it is going to work in ractice. ,. ,. , practice. Excellent points. Robert, are ou practice. Excellent points. Robert, are you still practice. Excellent points. Robert, are you still there, practice. Excellent points. Robert, are you still there, robert are you still there, Robert Llewellyn . Are you still there, robert| llewellyn . This are you still there, Robert I Llewellyn . This is are you still there, Robert Llewellyn . This is Worth Llewellyn . Yes, i am. This is worth Caettin Llewellyn . Yes, i am. This is worth getting your llewellyn . Yes, i am. This is worth getting your comment llewellyn . Yes, i am. This is worth getting your comment on, llewellyn . Yes, i am. This is worth getting your comment on, it llewellyn . Yes, i am. This is worth i getting your comment on, it bolsters the point you made to an extent. This has come from the government quoted in the papers today, a government insider. Because there are many people in the conservative party, and indeed in the cabinet saying maybe we should rethink this one. But rishi sunak seems to be sticking to his guns at the moment. This Government Source says, this is palpably attracting investment into the uk. If we start to muck about with that there would be people in the car sector saying, hang on, you are not serious. A campaign to ensure that the next Electric Mini is built in oxford rather than china would be harmed by a delay. However, as i say, tory mp5 and peers on the right of the parties say the 2030 ban risks doing grave damage. There is of course a Bigger Picture about Environmental Issues and some of the commitments to those slightly fraying at the edge of those for electoral reasons. What about that, investment . What about business grabbing the nettle on this one, is that happening, robert . On this one, is that happening, robert . , ,. ,. , robert . Yes, this is one of the interesting robert . Yes, this is one of the interesting thing robert . Yes, this is one of the interesting thing is, robert . Yes, this is one of the interesting thing is, the robert . Yes, this is one of the interesting thing is, the resistance to this interesting thing is, the resistance to this ban interesting thing is, the resistance to this ban is interesting thing is, the resistance to this ban is coming interesting thing is, the resistance to this ban is coming from interesting thing is, the resistance to this ban is coming from a interesting thing is, the resistancei to this ban is coming from a Certain Group to this ban is coming from a Certain Group of to this ban is coming from a Certain Group ofmps to this ban is coming from a Certain Group ofmpsand to this ban is coming from a Certain Group of mps and right wing to this ban is coming from a certain. Group of mps and right wing pundits. Mr Clarkson Group of mps and right wing pundits. Mr Clarkson Springs group of mps and right wing pundits. Mr Clarkson Springs to group of mps and right wing pundits. Mr Clarkson Springs to mind. Group of mps and right wing pundits. Mr Clarkson Springs to mind. But group of mps and right wing pundits. Mr Clarkson Springs to mind. But not| mr Clarkson Springs to mind. But not from the mr Clarkson Springs to mind. But not from the automotive mr Clarkson Springs to mind. But not from the automotive industry. Mr Clarkson Springs to mind. But not from the automotive industry. You. From the automotive industry. You might from the automotive industry. You might think from the automotive industry. You might think they from the automotive industry. You might think they might from the automotive industry. You might think they might want from the automotive industry. You might think they might want to from the automotive industry. You| might think they might want to say we cant might think they might want to say we cant be might think they might want to say we cant be bothered might think they might want to say we cant be bothered with might think they might want to say we cant be bothered with all might think they might want to sayj we cant be bothered with all these fancy we cant be bothered with all these fancy electric we cant be bothered with all these fancy Electric Cars, we cant be bothered with all these fancy Electric Cars, lets we cant be bothered with all these fancy Electric Cars, lets stick we cant be bothered with all these fancy Electric Cars, lets stick to fancy Electric Cars, lets stick to diesel fancy Electric Cars, lets stick to diesel ones. 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I transferring their whole i manufacturing base. And transferring their whole manufacturing base. And its not ust manufacturing base. And its not just in manufacturing base. And its not just in this manufacturing base. And its not just in this country, manufacturing base. And its not just in this country, its manufacturing base. And its not just in this country, its all manufacturing base. And its not just in this country, its all over. Just in this country, its all over the world just in this country, its all over the world. And just in this country, its all over the world. And they just in this country, its all over the world. And they are just in this country, its all over the world. And they are not just in this country, its all over. The world. And they are not going just in this country, its all over the world. And they are not going to id the world. And they are not going to go back the world. And they are not going to go back and the world. 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Along the roads and not let anyone. Stop us and pump out the fumes that we do. Stop us and pump out the fumes that we do. Then stop us and pump out the fumes that we do. 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Have to import billions of barrels of oil to burn once. We have to import billions of barrels of oil to burn once. We cant of oil to burn once. We cant recycle of oil to burn once. We cant recycle diesel. Of oil to burn once. We cant recycle diesel. Of oil to burn once. We cant recycle diesel. Of oil to burn once. We cant re cle diesel. ,. , ~. ,. , recycle diesel. You talk about human riuhts, recycle diesel. You talk about human rights. Electric recycle diesel. You talk about human rights, electric vehicle recycle diesel. You talk about human rights, electric vehicle batteries rights, electric vehicle batteries use rare metals. They are a humanitarian nightmare. Use rare metals. They are a humanitarian niahtmare. ,. , humanitarian nightmare. Name me one iece of humanitarian nightmare. Name me one piece of hightechnology humanitarian nightmare. Name me one piece of hightechnology machinery piece of High Technology machinery that doesnt piece of High Technology machinery that doesnt use piece of High Technology machinery that doesnt use the piece of High Technology machinery that doesnt use the metals piece of High Technology machinery that doesnt use the metals that piece of High Technology machinery| that doesnt use the metals that are du that doesnt use the metals that are dug up that doesnt use the metals that are dug up around that doesnt use the metals that are dug up around the that doesnt use the metals that are dug up around the world. That doesnt use the metals that are i dug up around the world. Everything we consume dug up around the world. Everything we consume is dug up around the world. Everything we consume is grown dug up around the world. Everything we consume is grown or dug up around the world. Everything we consume is grown or dug dug up around the world. Everything we consume is grown or dug up, we consume is grown or dug up, everything. We consume is grown or dug up, everything. It we consume is grown or dug up, everything, it always we consume is grown or dug up, everything, it always has we consume is grown or dug up, everything, it always has been. I everything, it always has been. Cobalt everything, it always has been. Cobalt deposits everything, it always has been. Cobalt deposits in everything, it always has been. Cobalt deposits in the everything, it always has been. Cobalt deposits in the democratic republic of the congo, for example. The Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, the the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, the oil the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, the oil industry the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, the Oil Industry Uses. The Oil Industry Uses the most i cobalt, the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, cobalt, the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, that cobalt, the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, that point cobalt, the Oil Industry Uses the most cobalt, that point is cobalt, the Oil Industry Uses the | most cobalt, that point is never, never most cobalt, that point is never, never mentioned. Most cobalt, that point is never, never mentioned. You most cobalt, that point is never, never mentioned. You mentioned it, i think. Never mentioned. You mentioned it, i think they never mentioned. You mentioned it, i think they are never mentioned. You mentioned it, i think. They are destroying never mentioned. You mentioned it, i think. They are destroying forests,. Think. They are destroying forests, they are destroying species, they are exploiting women, they are exploiting children. But many people would say youre right, there is no perfection afoot here. Share would say youre right, there is no perfection afoot here. Would say youre right, there is no perfection afoot here. Are of course there isnt perfection afoot here. Are of course there isnt 0r perfection afoot here. Are of course there isnt. Or ended perfection afoot here. Are of course there isnt. Or ended in perfection afoot here. Are of course there isnt. Or ended in the perfection afoot here. Are of course there isnt. Or ended in the car, there isnt. Or ended in the car, never mind there isnt. Or ended in the car, never mind afoot. There isnt. Or ended in the car, never mind afoot. Mike there isnt. Or ended in the car, never mind afoot. Mike hawes,| there isnt. Or ended in the car, never mind afoot. Mike hawes, Chief Executives of the society of Motor Manufacturers and traders, thank you for hanging in there on a rather gridlocked programme, it is busy. But robert set you up rather nicely about the motor trade. What do the men and women of the motor trade think about this . Think about this . Robert is right. The industry think about this . Robert is right. The industry is think about this . Robert is right. The industry is betting think about this . Robert is right. The industry is betting the think about this . Robert is right. The industry is betting the farm l think about this . Robert is right. I the industry is betting the farm on this technology. It is making those investments, it is developing the products. The product choice is ever greater. Any suggestion now that there is going to be some flip flopping on this policy will send entirely the wrong message, both to investors and to the public about this transition. Thats the last thing you need right now. What last thing you need right now. What about the wobbling last thing you need right now. What about the wobbling that is going on . What is that doing to confidence . The likes of michael gove. Im just looking for his particular quote, a man who is deeply embedded in the cabinet, of course. These mixed messages. He said last week, he spoke to the sun last week and said net zero must not become a religious crusade and i think we should relax the pace of all this, the inference being he is talking, amongst other things, about the ban. Things, about the ban. Yeah. This whole transition things, about the ban. Yeah. This whole transition to things, about the ban. Yeah. This whole transition to net things, about the ban. Yeah. This whole transition to net zero things, about the ban. Yeah. This whole transition to net zero is whole transition to net zero is going to cost money. We have always known that. You mentioned earlier, chris stark from the committee on Climate Change, their original report was very clear that this can be done. They found it was going to be done. They found it was going to be cheaper than initially we thought it would be but there are costs, societal costs, industrial costs. For the industry we are spending that money, making those investments, we are putting the products on the market. You cant compel people to buy them. But if you are to deliver net zero you must decarbonise road transport in its entirety. The focus we have been talking about is on passenger cars, the same applies to vans, buses, trucks, it applies to the whole plethora of road transport. Some of those technologies Like Hydrogen may meet certain solutions but the deadline, the target put before us six or seven years, compel a technology commercially available now, and thats why electrification will be the mainstay. We dont want to see any backtracking on that because it sends the wrong message. What about the price . It is because it sends the wrong message. What about the price . What about the price . It is a new technology what about the price . It is a new technology and what about the price . It is a new technology and it what about the price . It is a new technology and it is what about the price . It is a new technology and it is more what about the price . It is a new. Technology and it is more expensive and thats why you need to be pulling every single lever to help the consumer make that transition. When you charge, if you charge at home you pay 5 vat, charge on the road, these destinations, they are paying 20 vat, thats wrong. In terms of the cost of ownership, running one tends to be cheaper because Service Costs are lower if you can charge at home. There is a fiscal benefit if buying on company car in terms of purchase, thats why the majority of the initial transition is often now on the corporate buyer. But what else can we do to try and make sure we can drive down these costs . Many other countries have incentives. We are facing a mandate which will compel the sale. But the fear is that is going to be a steep incline in the production, the take up of these vehicles. But we can put them on the market, will people buy them . That is up to making sure that they are indeed affordable. So is up to making sure that they are indeed affordable. Is up to making sure that they are indeed affordable. So in a sense the market will dictate indeed affordable. So in a sense the market will dictate this indeed affordable. So in a sense the market will dictate this and indeed affordable. So in a sense the market will dictate this and this market will dictate this and this certainly concentrates minds. A couple of texts. What about terraced streets and tower blocks . Where are the charges . Another says, ive driven an electric vehicle for four months and had no problem with electric charging and the effect on pollution is unanswerable. And a in lincoln and also the mayoral car is now electric. If the commercial and political will is there we can easily achieve this modest end to fossil fuels. Easily achieve this modest end to fossilfuels. We are easily achieve this modest end to fossil fuels. We are looking at a bmp fossil fuels. We are looking at a lamp post charging in lincoln and we need to have a real public transport system run by local authorities. The view there from lincoln. All views are absolutely brilliant on this. Richard is in france. Do you swear by them, richard . I have been driving electric for seven years and in that time i have saved £12,000 from what i was paying on diesel. It is not only because the fuel, also the zero servicing. Because Electric Cars are generally one pedal drive in, you do not use the brakes, you dont wear out your brake pads. My First Electric car had four years. When i sold it, the brake pads and discs were like new because i didnt use them. It has got brakes, in an emergency situation, you use them, but it is something so simple to drive and easy, so cost effective, and silent of course. Which is lovely. It has brought back the pleasure of driving to me. I had given up having pleasure driving. It is a whole new mindset, a whole new ball game, it is a no brainer. Mindset, a whole new ball game, it is a nobrainer. Is a nobrainer. Marks out of ten for infrastructure is a nobrainer. Marks out of ten for infrastructure in is a nobrainer. Marks out of ten for infrastructure in france . Is a nobrainer. Marks out of ten for infrastructure in france . Itsl for infrastructure in france . Its not ve for infrastructure in france . Its rrot very good. For infrastructure in france . It� s not very good, they made a big mistake, they put slow chargers in all the villages but they did not put any rapid charges on the autoroutes. They are addressing that now but in england, you know, ten years ago we started putting rapid chargers on all the Motorway Services and i have been to two or three services in england lately where i they had one or two rapid chargers and now they have 30. So the infrastructure is building very quickly. The infrastructure is building very cuickl. ~. The infrastructure is building very ruickl. ,. , the infrastructure is building very cuickl. , � , quickly. What about glasgow . Lets to from quickly. What about glasgow . Lets go from france. Quickly. What about glasgow . Lets go from france, a quickly. What about glasgow . Lets go from france, a lovely quickly. What about glasgow . Lets go from france, a lovely village quickly. What about glasgow . Lets go from france, a lovely village in i go from france, a lovely village in france to the contribution that is glasgow in the central belt. Im glasgow in the central belt. Im sor ,i glasgow in the central belt. Im sorry. I am glasgow in the central belt. Im sorry. I am not glasgow in the central belt. Im sorry, i am not here to argue with anybody. Sorry, i am not here to argue with anybody, but i completely disagree on Electric Cars due to the fact that on Electric Cars due to the fact that the on Electric Cars due to the fact that the documentary on the children between that the documentary on the children between the ages of five, as young as three between the ages of five, as young as three to between the ages of five, as young as three to the age of seven, not older as three to the age of seven, not older because they are too big to go down older because they are too big to go down the older because they are too big to go down the mines for the lithium batteries down the mines for the lithium batteries. Many die each day. Just to give batteries. Many die each day. Just to give People Electric cars. Im sorry. To give People Electric cars. Im sorry, the to give People Electric cars. Im sorry, the documentary was shown. We are here sorry, the documentary was shown. We are here to sorry, the documentary was shown. We are here to fight for our children and the are here to fight for our children and the future of our children, what about and the future of our children, what about the and the future of our children, what about the future of the children who are dying about the future of the children who are dying every day. It is as bad as going are dying every day. It is as bad as going back are dying every day. It is as bad as going back to the coal mines when the children had to do that work. What the children had to do that work. What about robert earlier on . Nothing is perfect. Look at human rights abuse, death and destruction on the trail of oil to petrol to the pumps here. It is bad on the trail of oil to petrol to the pumps here. It is bad well, we have not all pumps here. It is bad well, we have got all these pumps here. It is bad well, we have got all these fossil pumps here. It is bad well, we have got all these fossil fuels, pumps here. It is bad well, we have got all these fossil fuels, there got all these fossil fuels, there are ways got all these fossil fuels, there are ways of cleaning up the fossil fuels, are ways of cleaning up the fossil fuels, electric at the cost of all these fuels, electric at the cost of all these children between the age of three these children between the age of three and these children between the age of three and seven should not be acceptable. Three and seven should not be acceptable three and seven should not be accetable. ~ ,. ,. , acceptable. Thank you very much, she did not acceptable. Thank you very much, she did rrot wish acceptable. Thank you very much, she did rrot wish to acceptable. Thank you very much, she did not wish to argue acceptable. Thank you very much, she did not wish to argue with acceptable. Thank you very much, she did not wish to argue with anyone, acceptable. Thank you very much, she did not wish to argue with anyone, a l did not wish to argue with anyone, a very strong point and it will be interesting to get reactions to what we have heard so far in our first half hour or so. So the ban, 2030, is it realistic . More to come. Get in touch. And here is the news. Changes to alcohol duty is the news. Have come into force meaning drinks will now be taxed according to how strong they are. The government says the new system is common sense but critics argue it will have an impact the latest figures show the rate at which food prices are going up has dropped to its lowest level since last december. Statistics from the British Retail Consortium show Food Inflation slowed to 13. 4 injuly. The Nationwide Building Society says the average house now costs nearly 261,000 pounds. New figures show the uks average house price fell by nearly li percent in the year tojuly. Thats the biggest drop since 2009. The owners of the uks newest spaceport say theyre weeks away from getting permission to launch rockets into space. The first orbital launch from the Saxavord Space Centre on the Shetland Islands is due to take place next year. All eyes will be on the england teamsheet in the build up to their final Womens World Cup Group game against china this lunchtime. The big question is who comes in to replace injured play maker keira walsh she was stretchered off with a knee injury in the win over denmark on friday. Kick off is at 12, well have all the build up here on slive from 11. Right now the final matches are taking place in group e. Holders usa vs portugal. The usa need at least a point to progress. Netherlands are currently top of the group theyre thrashing vietnam. Liverpools fabinho has moved to al ittihad for £40 million. Crystal palace are set to sign the brazil under 20 international midfielder Matheus Franca from flamengo for a reported £26 million. Harry kane continues to be linked with bayern munich. More talks reportedly took place with tottenham yesterday. And Frankie Dettori will chase a record sixth win in the goodwood cup at 4 35. Its the feature race on the opening day of horse racings glorious goodwood. Dettori is on board his royal ascot gold cup winner courage mon ami and faces the runner up coltrane. Let me tell you about ten oclock. Alcohol tax is it too strong . A major shake up of how alcohol is taxed. The basic principle is that duty is being set in relation to a drink� s strength. The higher the alcohol content the higher the tax. Heres some figures from the wine and spirit trade association. An extra [dip on a bottle of red wine, 97p on sherry, £1. 30 on port, 76p on vodka. The National Newspaper in scotland reports anger they are, very much scotch on the rocks, each bottle taxed at 75 . Stronger beer over 4. 5 will cost 4p more in shops but stays the same on draught in what is billed as a measure to support pubs. We know what landlords and ladies landladies have been through in the past. Do you upload this . What do you think . So what do you think to the cost of booze . In pubs and in shops . The cost to individuals and society . A blight on society . Do they have these problems in helsinki as they do in hull . No disrespect to hull. Lets talk about alcohol tax, is it too strong . At ten oclock. The ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030, is it realistic . Should it be delayed . Is it absolute madness or an absolute necessity . Coming up, it is nick and chris, and ken, the ceo of motor services. Hello, ken. Chris, and ken, the ceo of motor services. Hello, ken. How are you . Man . Are services. Hello, ken. How are you . Man . Are we services. Hello, ken. How are you . Man . Are we going services. Hello, ken. How are you . Man . Are we going to services. Hello, ken. How are you . Man . Are we going to get services. Hello, ken. How are you . Man . Are we going to get to services. Hello, ken. How are you . Man . Are we going to get to 2013 . J man . Are we going to get to 2013 . Seriously . 0nly man . Are we going to get to 2013 . Seriously . Only if the government take Decisive Action and start planning the power that is required which i have been speaking to them and particularly the minister of state for decarbonisation for some time now saying the biggest problem we have is i do not believe the grid has sufficient power for the number of chargers and in that amount of charge that ev drivers are going to need unless Decisive Action that is taken now. We have got as an example of that, four of our Motorway Service areas at the moment setting with charges which have no power, they are not connected. Ev drivers when they understandably pull up to charge are getting frustrated and the power i think has been underestimated by the government. When they put the ban in place, the amount of power for electricity they would need to provide to give ev drivers confidence that they would be able to drive on theirjourney and safely be able to charge, as one of your callers were saying earlier, on a journey for you might need to charge one were going to your destination and another returning home, to give you an idea of the amount of power, just for moto alone, in seven years time, will need the equivalent power produced by an averaged sized new claire perry station, will need 25 of that powerjust perry station, will need 25 of that power just for moto perry station, will need 25 of that powerjust for moto chargers. Power just for moto chargers. Nuclear powerjust for moto chargers. Nuclear power station. [30 powerjust for moto chargers. Nuclear power station. Powerjust for moto chargers. Nuclear power station. Do you think we miaht Nuclear Power station. Do you think we might drift Nuclear Power station. Do you think we might drift away Nuclear Power station. Do you think we might drift away from Nuclear Power station. Do you think we might drift away from those we might drift away from those deadlines for practical reasons . I hope we do not. I hope the government listens. Basically compels the Power Companies to provide sufficient power at the time that it provide sufficient power at the time thatitis provide sufficient power at the time that it is needed. I have written to the government and said what they should do is set targets, not for the number of chargers that we need, but the amount of power that we need on a region by region basis. And annually, between 2030, to give ev drivers the confidence they will be sufficient chargers and power for them to travel around the uk. It is them to travel around the uk. It is about political them to travel around the uk. It is about political will, and there are refusers on the tory backbenchers, when it comes to priorities, one wonders, thank you for all the text and phone calls. Good morning, nick, what do you think . What do you think . Fun . What do you think . We have what do you think . Fun . What do you think . We have lost what do you think . Fun . What do you think . We have lost him. What do you think . Fun . What do you think . We have lost him. We what do you think . Fun . What do you think . We have lost him. We have think . We have lost him. We have got chris and terry. Think . We have lost him. We have got chris and terry, who think . We have lost him. We have got chris and terry, who needs think . We have lost him. We have got chris and terry, who needs nick . Chris and terry, who needs nick . Come back, neck. Chris in manchester. Is this achievable . 2032 i do not think so. I am a driver, a courier driver, i do deliveries. 70 to £80, i get out of my diesel, my electrical vehicle, to £80, i get out of my diesel, my electricalvehicle, i to £80, i get out of my diesel, my electrical vehicle, i used 10 during 15 miles. If i had one of those vehicles for work, i would stop three times a day, it is not feasible for myjob. I would not be doing thisjob any feasible for myjob. I would not be doing this job any more. Feasible for myjob. I would not be doing thisjob any more. In my text message, to get to and from work, it is forcing me out of the job. If you force me to go electric, you are forcing me out of the job. It is not feasible. I can go down to london and back on a full tank of diesel without stopping. I would stop twice without stopping. I would stop twice with an electric vehicle on the way down and then i have to stop on the way back. It is going to take over five hours to do the journey, it is not doable. The batteries are not usable, they do not have enough charge or keep it long enough. The only people i have found, the hybrid is ok, but they are going to ban them so whats the point . Terry, what do you them so whats the point . Terry, what do you think . Them so whats the point . Terry, what do you think . Can them so whats the point . Terry, what do you think . Can you them so whats the point . Terry, what do you think . Can you hear| them so whats the point . Terry, what do you think . Can you hear me . In what do you think . Can you hear me . In london. What do you think . Can you hear me . In london. L what do you think . Can you hear me . In london. I do what do you think . Can you hear me . In london, | do 1000 what do you think . Can you hear me . In london, i do 1000 miles what do you think . Can you hear me . In london, i do 1000 miles a what do you think . Can you hear me . In london, i do 1000 miles a week. In london, i do 1000 miles a week. They in london, i do 1000 miles a week. They have in london, i do 1000 miles a week. They have got customers and go on a lon they have got customers and go on a long journey, they have got customers and go on a longjourney, i they have got customers and go on a long journey, i dont think they want long journey, i dont think they want me long journey, i dont think they want me to pull into a Service Station, want me to pull into a Service Station, that is not part of the deal station, that is not part of the deal if station, that is not part of the deal if i station, that is not part of the deal. If i go on a long journey, i will be deal. If i go on a long journey, i will be struggling, do you call the breakdown people to charge you up . It is breakdown people to charge you up . It is not breakdown people to charge you up . It is not fit breakdown people to charge you up . It is not fit for purpose. For my job. It is not fit for purpose. For my job, it it is not fit for purpose. 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I never used to do that with an internal Combustion Engine car. All through thejourney, an internal Combustion Engine car. All through the journey, i am looking at the miles running down and trying to work out where i am going to get charge quickly enough that i can continue the journey. We took a decision at moto that we would install the fastest ultra rapid chargers that are available and that is 350 kilowatts, and they will allow you to charge about 100 miles of charge on your car in five to ten minutes. When they are available, they definitely reduce range anxiety, but the governments target was to have six ultra rapid chargers on each. Motorway service area. That is not sufficient. In two days time, we are going to have a0 ultra rapid chargers at our newest Motorway Service area which is rugby, and the week after, we will have 50 ultra rapid chargers at exeter. That is only because we have been able to get the power to get that many charges down. What electric drivers want, they want to pull into a Service Station, and have a choice of chargers and be able to get on, charge quickly, and get on their way. . You have got a map behind you, i am seeing the route from london to edinburgh. Is route from london to edinburgh. Is there a problem there is that not a problem . Iterate there a problem there is that not a nroblem . ~ . There a problem there is that not a nroblem . , , problem . We have a problem in stirlinn. Problem . We have a problem in stirling we problem . We have a problem in stirling. We have problem . We have a problem in stirling. We have got problem . We have a problem in stirling. We have got problemsl stirling. We have got problems across the whole of the country. You dont have to across the whole of the country. You dont have to go across the whole of the country. You dont have to go to stirling to go from london to edinburgh. You would have ranne from london to edinburgh. You would have range anxiety from london to edinburgh. You would have range anxiety going from london to edinburgh. You would have range anxiety going from from london to edinburgh. You would | have range anxiety going from london to edinburgh. Depending on where the ultra rapid chargers where, and the Power Company and whether they have been able to put power in place. If you are going by the m m62, or by the m6or a1, and are trying to find a Motorway Service area with sufficient ultra rapid chargers, you still have the legacy on a lot of Motorway Service areas, of two 50 kilowatts chargers because only two or three years ago, each Motorway Service area only had to have 250 kilowatts chargers. Today, that is not sufficient. In june kilowatts chargers. Today, that is not sufficient. Injune alone, we actually gave 3 million kilowatts of charge to motorists. That is the equivalent forjune of 9 million miles of charge that weve provided. If you arrive at a Motorway Service area, that has got sufficient numbers of chargers, if you are going up, at wetherby, wetherby has got 12 ultra rapid chargers, you will feel comfortable you are going to get sufficient charge. 50 it will feel comfortable you are going to get sufficient charge. To get sufficient charge. So it is not the to get sufficient charge. So it is rrot the same to get sufficient charge. So it is not the same everywhere, to get sufficient charge. So it is not the same everywhere, i to get sufficient charge. So it is not the same everywhere, i have| to get sufficient charge. So it is not the same everywhere, i have got caller anxiety, brilliant points, chris in manchester, i want you to stay there because somebody might address your problem in just a second. Lets get some more voices. And she in staple, your experience. We have lost her. We have got darren in norwich. Can you make your point . I can understand why they want electric i can understand why they want Electric Cars, we use a horsebox to transport Electric Cars, we use a horsebox to transport horses all around the country. Transport horses all around the country, nobody is making electric car horseboxes at the moment, by 2030. Car horseboxes at the moment, by 2030, youre looking at a cost of 80 to 200,000, we cannot afford that to transport to 200,000, we cannot afford that to transport horses. And the electricity part of it, we have to travel electricity part of it, we have to travel from here to scotland, how many travel from here to scotland, how many times are you going to stop to charge many times are you going to stop to charge your many times are you going to stop to charge your lorry with an anxious horse charge your lorry with an anxious horse two charge your lorry with an anxious horse two live animals, you cannot do that horse two live animals, you cannot do that. . . Do that. That is an interesting noint. Do that. That is an interesting point are do that. That is an interesting point are you do that. That is an interesting point. Are you still do that. That is an interesting point. Are you still there, do that. That is an interesting i point. Are you still there, chris . Are you still with us a few head of Climate Policy at the green alliance, in the time we have, speak to these guys. Chris says, i cannot do the same mileage in an electric car, if he is forced to buy electric, he is out of a job. Electric, he is out of a ob. There are lots electric, he is out of a ob. There lots of t electric, he is out of a ob. There are lots of different electric, he is out of a job. There are lots of different types electric, he is out of a job. There are lots of different types of are lots of different types of electrical vehicles on the market, some have better range than others and i take the point for very long journeys, at the moment the charging structure might not be sufficient on some journeys to charge at the speed you might want to in the same way you might want to in the same way you can quickly fill up a petrol car. It is really important to remember that 70 of carjourneys in the uk are five miles are under and every single ev can do five miles easily. Lots of them have got ranges of 100s of miles, i am not disputing the fact that we need to improve our Charging Infrastructure across the uk, it is condensed in urban areas like london of course, and there is a problem that i think has been mentioned about vat on public charging versus people who are charging versus people who are charging on their own driveway. That has to be addressed to bring costs down for people as well. I has to be addressed to bring costs down for people as well. Down for people as well. I have a messane down for people as well. I have a message here. Down for people as well. I have a message here, asking down for people as well. I have a message here, asking about down for people as well. I have a message here, asking about the| message here, asking about the second hand market and reconditioning calls and how those on low incomes are ever going to be able to afford one. I am going to put that one out there. What are your thoughts on that . The put that one out there. What are your thoughts on that . Put that one out there. What are your thoughts on that . The way 2030 nhase out your thoughts on that . The way 2030 phase out new your thoughts on that . The way 2030 phase out new sales, your thoughts on that . The way 2030 phase out new sales, the your thoughts on that . The way 2030 j phase out new sales, the government is going to introduce zero emission vehicles mandate from every year to 2030, sales targets to car manufacturers, this will start flooding the first hand market with electric vehicles which then slots the second and third had market with electric vehicles and brings price points then, it is a market mechanism, it will be more competitive on will come down. I do not think anyone is suggesting that first hand electric vehicles are price competitive with petrol and diesel cars, that is the whole point of the market mechanism to bring costs down. It is economic. The more we manufacture and bridges, the lower the cost will be. I we manufacture and bridges, the lower the cost will be. We manufacture and bridges, the lower the cost will be. I liked your noints, lower the cost will be. I liked your points. Darren lower the cost will be. I liked your points, darren in lower the cost will be. I liked your points, darren in norwich, lower the cost will be. I liked your points, darren in norwich, an points, darren in norwich, an interesting point. Points, darren in norwich, an interesting point. You are talking about cars. Interesting point. You are talking about cars, hgv interesting point. You are talking about cars, hgv driver interesting point. You are talking about cars, hgv driver who interesting point. You are talking about cars, hgv driver who transport live animals about cars, hgv driver who transport live animals. By 2030 . Do i have to ive live animals. By 2030 . Do i have to give up live animals. By 2030 . Do i have to give up my live animals. By 2030 . Do i have to give up my business because i personally will not be able to afford personally will not be able to afford an electric horsebox . The 2013 date afford an electric horsebox . Tt9 2013 date applies to cars and vans. There will be sacred targets for lorries and trucks and bigger vehicles. 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The Bigger Picture a few another thing to point out, second hand market, on low income buying a five k car cannot afford the reconditioning course, that is happening now. That is from a car dealer, joan. The Bigger Picture, it is good to talk about this as we close before we talk about alcohol, head of Climate Policy at the green alliance, given the Bigger Picture with a bit of rollback going on here on green issues, thinking about the election, some would think short sighted lee thinking about the here and now, there is so much for the government to do to make this work, do you think it is going to happen . Work, do you think it is going to hanen . Work, do you think it is going to ha nen . ,. , work, do you think it is going to hanen . ,. , work, do you think it is going to ha. Nen . ,. ,. , happen . The government has got good ambition on this, happen . The government has got good ambition on this, 2034 happen . The government has got good ambition on this, 2034 this happen . The government has got good ambition on this, 2034 this target. I ambition on this, 203a this target. Some of them are warbling. Iterate ambition on this, 2034 this target. Some of them are warbling. We heard from a minister some of them are warbling. We heard from a minister on some of them are warbling. We heard from a minister on the some of them are warbling. We heard from a minister on the bbc some of them are warbling. We heard from a minister on the bbc today i from a minister on the Bbc Today Programme this morning saying 2030 is still the target date, and manufacturers in the uk are set up and ready to go, we have had an announcement about big investment from government into a bigger factory, land rover, creatingjobs, lots of progress in europe, and china on electric vehicles, this is where the Global Market is going and they did a brilliant thing by setting an early date, not disputing the fact lots is still to be done, they cannot set a target and not intervene, there is a lot to be done on charging, a lot to be done about electric vehicle and battery manufacturing in the uk, there is a lot to be done about dispelling myths. We have heard from listeners who are not quite. They are not getting communicated properly that 2030 is not a ban on all petrol and diesel in the uk, only a new sales, second hand vehicles will be available for sale long after 2030. I think it is doable. The ambition is there, we need more support from government and Clear Communication about what the date actually means. Thank you so much for getting in touch. Try the next one. Alcohol, the tax, is it too strong . It has been announced today. Just to be transparent, i drink. Your views on this major shake up of how alcohol is taxed. The basic principle, due to being set in relation to drink� s strength. The higher the alcohol content, the higher the tax. Wine and spirit trade association, let me give you these figures to concentrate the mind. An extra aap on a bottle of red wine, 97p on sherry, £1. 30 on port, 76p on vodka. 7596 75 on a bottle of malt whiskey, blended or whatever, will be taxed as well. And pubs, this is being billed as very good for pubs because the balance will be altered to what it costs in an off licence and what it costs in an off licence and what it costs in an off licence and what it costs in a pub. A lot of landlords and landladies and pub owners are welcoming this. Over 150 pubs in england and wales have shut down in the first three months of 2023 and at least 50 pubs closing down per month, significantjump from 32 pubs lost per month during the whole of 2022. It has been really tough in the sector. Last year 386 pubs were lost for good. The pub is the hub. Think of some of the best pubs you have been to, what wonderful places as well. What do you think about the cost of booze in pubs and shops, the cost to individuals, of course, the cost to society . The alcohol tax, is it too strong . Here is the news from karishma patel. Thank you. Changes to alcohol duty have come into force. It means stronger drinks will be more expensive. The government says the new system is common sense but some Alcohol Companies argue it will affect businesses. Retailers say the rate at which food prices are rising is at its lowest level since last december. New figures from the British Retail Consortium show Food Inflation slowed to 13. A last month thanks to the falling cost of goods like cereals and fish. Moscows mayor says a skycraper in the city was hit by a drone for the second time in two days. He added that several drones were shot down overnight. Russia blames ukraine but kyiv hasnt commented. The kremlin also says it destroyed three unmanned ukrainian boats trying to attack its naval ships in the black sea. The chair of parliaments Housing Committee is calling on regulators to look into how tenants are chosen for affordable housing. The bbc found many of the schemes in london exclude people earning over £30,000 a year because they dont earn enough. Massive cost to society, massive cost of the nhs, massive indirect costs as well from the amount we drink in society, and we do neck it. Mind you, with all the stuff going on in the world, all of the shebang, give me a cold one sometimes with prices still rising but at a slower rate the government will go ahead with this 10. 1 rise in alcohol duties, overhauling the system. Drinks with alcohol by volume, a bv below 3. 5 taxed at a lower rate, tax on drinks with an abv of 8. 5 will stay the same whether it is wine, spirits or beer. Sparkling wine, spirits or beer. Sparkling wine previously taxed at a higher rate, distilled wine will be 19p cheaper, for a higher rate, still wine will be 19p cheaper, first understrength bottle. If retailers pat on the tax changes by lowering prices. A can of premixed gin and tonic would be 5p cheaper as well. This is bigger stronger beer over a. 5 will cost ap more in the shops but stays the same on draught. This is interesting. This is part of the cell. May be a sound too cynical, but its part of the reason they are doing it to support the pubs, 08085 909693, 08085 some say it is too expensive and some too cheap, is it too strong, this alcohol tax . Transport minister Richard Holden was on the television this morning and he stressed that pubs were very much at the heart of this decision. Pubs are the heart of the community, they were a lot of people like myself had their firstjob, really important for hospitality, really important for hospitality, really important for hospitality, really important for jobs important for hospitality, really important forjobs for young important for hospitality, really important for jobs for young people and a real heart of many communities up and down the country. Thats why i think we want to see lower tax wherever possible on pubs, and we also have to acknowledge that the hospitality sector has had a really tough time over the last few years and anything that we can do to help our pubs and clubs across the country i want to see us doing it. We have always seen public and is upset about the fact supermarkets are able to massively discounted prices and this is trying to tip that balance back in the favour of our 38,000 plus pubs and clubs across the country. Across the country. There is the transport across the country. There is the transport minister across the country. There is the transport minister richard across the country. There is the l transport minister Richard Holden talking about it. A quick text, one just in, looking at the console, i dont believe it will put people off, our drinking culture is to embed it, thats from tracy in belfast. Mike beale, Chief Executive of the wine and spirit trade association. Of the wine and spirit trade i association. Mark association. Good morning. Mark dickson, landlord association. Good morning. Mark dickson, landlord of association. Good morning. Mark dickson, landlord of the association. Good morning. Mark dickson, landlord of the king i association. Good morning. Markl dickson, landlord of the king arms in norfolk dickson, landlord of the king arms in norfolk flood hello, mark. Hello, how are in norfolk flood hello, mark. Hello, how are you . Do in norfolk flood hello, mark. Hello, how are you . In norfolk flood hello, mark. Hello, how are ou . , how are you . Do you like this, mark . Is this how are you . Do you like this, mark . Is this good . How are you . Do you like this, mark . Is this good . I how are you . Do you like this, mark . Is this good . I believe how are you . Do you like this, mark . Is this good . I believe so how are you . Do you like this, mark . Is this good . I believe so but how are you . Do you like this, mark . Is this good . I believe so but it how are you . Do you like this, mark . Is this good . I believe so but it is i is this good . I believe so but it is hard to tell is this good . I believe so but it is hard to tell because is this good . I believe so but it is hard to tell because it is this good . I believe so but it is hard to tell because it hasnt i hard to tell because it hasnt really hard to tell because it hasnt really kicked in properly yet until today really kicked in properly yet until today. But it sounds good, so fingers today. But it sounds good, so fingers crossed, anything to help us in the fingers crossed, anything to help us in the trade fingers crossed, anything to help us in the trade is nice. The last few years in the trade is nice. The last few years have in the trade is nice. The last few years have been tough on everybody, not just years have been tough on everybody, notjust on years have been tough on everybody, not just on people years have been tough on everybody, notjust on people in pubs but people notjust on people in pubs but people around the world. But anything people around the world. But anything to get more people in is good anything to get more people in is good for anything to get more people in is good for us. We have noticed a big change good for us. We have noticed a big change in good for us. We have noticed a big change in the last few years, i guess change in the last few years, i guess peoples routines have changed and the guess peoples routines have changed and the world has changed a lot. Getting and the world has changed a lot. Getting more people in the pubs fingers getting more people in the pubs fingers crossed well help us out. What fingers crossed well help us out. What is fingers crossed well help us out. What is it. Fingers crossed well help us out. What is it, not wfh, d f h, drink from what is it, not wfh, d f h, drink from home, what is it, not wfh, d f h, drink from home, what has been going on . I guess from home, what has been going on . I guess peoples routines, they got used guess peoples routines, they got used to guess peoples routines, they got used to drinking at home. Definitely a lot of used to drinking at home. Definitely a lot of our used to drinking at home. Definitely a lot of our normal locals were used to get a lot of our normal locals were used to get in a lot of our normal locals were used to get in day a lot of our normal locals were used to get in day to day are not coming through to get in day to day are not coming through the doors. Money must play a bil through the doors. Money must play a big part through the doors. Money must play a big part in through the doors. Money must play a big part in it through the doors. Money must play a big part in it. They routines have changed. Big part in it. They routines have changed, so fingers crossed, supermarkets have had it good for as lon supermarkets have had it good for as long as supermarkets have had it good for as long as they have had it and they can charge long as they have had it and they can charge what they want but we have can charge what they want but we have to can charge what they want but we have to set our prices to cover our costs have to set our prices to cover our costs and have to set our prices to cover our costs. And we have to hope they will come costs. And we have to hope they will come back costs. And we have to hope they will come back through the doors and stay with us come back through the doors and stay with us. , ~ , , come back through the doors and stay with us. , ,. , with us. You kept going, was it touch and with us. You kept going, was it touch and go . With us. You kept going, was it touch and go . At with us. You kept going, was it touch and go . At one with us. You kept going, was it touch and go . At one point, i touch and go . At one point, definitely yes. figs touch and go . At one point, definitely yes. Touch and go . At one point, definitely yes. Touch and go . At one point, definitel es. A , definitely yes. As soon as the doors closed april. Definitely yes. As soon as the doors closed april, march, definitely yes. As soon as the doors closed april, march, we definitely yes. As soon as the doors closed april, march, we thought i definitely yes. As soon as the doors closed april, march, we thought it i closed april, march, we thought it would closed april, march, we thought it would just closed april, march, we thought it would just be for a few weeks. But obviously would just be for a few weeks. But obviously as time went on, i guess the first obviously as time went on, i guess the first lockdown for us was the best thing the first lockdown for us was the best thing that ever happened as a business. Best thing that ever happened as a business. I best thing that ever happened as a business, i know it sounds crazy to say. Business, i know it sounds crazy to say, but business, i know it sounds crazy to say, but we business, i know it sounds crazy to say, but we rethought what we were doing say, but we rethought what we were doing and say, but we rethought what we were doing and change things for when we reopened doing and change things for when we reopened. But for a lot of people the reopened never came and they had to close the reopened never came and they had to close but the reopened never came and they had to close. But for us as a business it made to close. But for us as a business it made it to close. But for us as a business it made it stronger, if im honest. But it it made it stronger, if im honest. But it wasnt it made it stronger, if im honest. But it wasntjust by luck, it was by changing what we do and completely changing what we do and our business thoughts and come out stronger~ our business thoughts and come out stron. Er. Our business thoughts and come out stronner. , ,. ,. , stronger. Interesting. So you had a nro ner stronger. Interesting. So you had a proper rethink stronger. Interesting. So you had a proper rethink when stronger. Interesting. So you had a proper rethink when you stronger. Interesting. So you had a proper rethink when you had i stronger. Interesting. So you had a proper rethink when you had the i proper rethink when you had the opportunity tojust get proper rethink when you had the opportunity to just get your head together. During lockdown. What did you change . Iterate together. During lockdown. What did ou chance . ~ together. During lockdown. What did you change . Together. During lockdown. What did ou chance . ,. ,. , you change . We were probably 5050 drinks to restaurant, you change . We were probably 5050 drinks to restaurant, eating you change . We were probably 5050 drinks to restaurant, eating in. You change . We were probably 5050 drinks to restaurant, eating in. We i drinks to restaurant, eating in. We changed drinks to restaurant, eating in. We changed that probably 280 20, so 20 now we changed that probably 280 20, so 20 now we rely changed that probably 280 20, so 20 now we rely on the drink, we made a new bar now we rely on the drink, we made a new bar outside. Obviously the rules with one new bar outside. Obviously the rules with one household and whatever they were now. With one household and whatever they were now, one pertable, with one household and whatever they were now, one per table, they were not viable. Were now, one per table, they were not viable, we were better off closing not viable, we were better off closing there and then as soon as they started making those rules so we changed and made a bar outside, redesigned we changed and made a bar outside, redesigned the restaurant so we could redesigned the restaurant so we could get redesigned the restaurant so we could get more covers in for food without could get more covers in for food without losing our drinkers. So we had a without losing our drinkers. So we had a bit without losing our drinkers. So we had a bit of without losing our drinkers. So we had a bit of a reshuffle and it definitely made us better. Obviously for us definitely made us better. Obviously for us personally where we are in norfolk for us personally where we are in norfolk we for us personally where we are in norfolk we are in the middle of nowhere norfolk we are in the middle of nowhere so we only have our village locals, nowhere so we only have our village locals, in nowhere so we only have our village locals, in flag bearer, we are talking locals, in flag bearer, we are talking about 1000 people maximum, who come talking about 1000 people maximum, who come in daily. But from 30 or 40 people who come in daily. But from 30 or 40 people coming in like clockwork, probably people coming in like clockwork, probably down to 15, when we all came probably down to 15, when we all came back probably down to 15, when we all came back and reopened as normal. Fleggburgh came back and reopened as normal. Fleggburgh. We have got the numbers back up fleggburgh. We have got the numbers back up slowly but nowhere near where back up slowly but nowhere near where we back up slowly but nowhere near where we were before. So fingers crossed where we were before. So fingers crossed with these new rules and price crossed with these new rules and price decreases, and with supermarket prices going up that will hopefully bring more people through will hopefully bring more people through the door. That will hopefully bring more people through the door. Will hopefully bring more people through the door. That is the kings arms. Let through the door. That is the kings arms let me through the door. That is the kings arms. Let me ask through the door. That is the kings arms. Let me ask you through the door. That is the kings arms. Let me ask you one through the door. That is the kings arms. Let me ask you one more. Through the door. That is the kings arms. Let me ask you one more. I | arms. Let me ask you one more. I think this is so important for our discussion, the effect on pubs. Lets hear it for our pubs. Drinks with alcohol by volume abv below 3. 5 will be taxed at a lower rate. I never understand the percentages. I never understand the percentages. Ijust i never understand the percentages. I just put it i never understand the percentages. Ijust put it in a glass. Would you get a decent real ale for that was mike most of our drinkers that drink, i cant tell you how many points a day they drink because i will probably get in trouble but the ones who come in and have a good few pints a day, these sit around the 3 a pints a day, these sit around the 3 4 mark so they are more session beers. 50 4 mark so they are more session beers. , , , , 4 mark so they are more session beers. ,. ,. , beers. So obviously you can have a few more of beers. So obviously you can have a few more of them beers. So obviously you can have a few more of them and beers. So obviously you can have a few more of them and without i beers. So obviously you can have a i few more of them and without feeling it, few more of them and without feeling it. One few more of them and without feeling it. One and few more of them and without feeling it. One and a few more of them and without feeling it, one and a half. The}f few more of them and without feeling it, one and a half. It, one and a half. They slip down. Will ou it, one and a half. They slip down. Will you be it, one and a half. They slip down. Will you be passing it, one and a half. They slip down. Will you be passing on it, one and a half. They slip down. Will you be passing on the it, one and a half. They slip down. | will you be passing on the saving . Definitely. We have also noticed the last couple of months the normal beer through the draft, they have lowered beer through the draft, they have lowered the abv to fit in with this new rule lowered the abv to fit in with this new rule. One of the ciders has changed new rule. One of the ciders has changed abv, a few of the other bears changed abv, a few of the other bears have lowered the percentage to fit into bears have lowered the percentage to fit into this bears have lowered the percentage to fit into this market will help a few of fit into this market will help a few of the fit into this market will help a few of the other beers. They will be a lot more few of the other beers. They will be a lot more beers people used to drink a lot more beers people used to drink before having lowered the abv to fit into drink before having lowered the abv to fit into this market. | rdrill drink before having lowered the abv to fit into this market. To fit into this market. I will come to fit into this market. I will come to mark and to fit into this market. I will come to mark and l to fit into this market. I will come to mark and i will to fit into this market. I will come to mark and i will come to fit into this market. I will come to mark and i will come to to fit into this market. I will come| to mark and i will come to Richard Piper, Chief Executive of alcohol change uk, a very important desk. But lets get a couple of calls, adam and lindsay. Good morning. Adam, what is your reaction to these tax changes . Adam, what is your reaction to these tax changes . Hello, nikki. Iwelcome the change tax changes . Hello, nikki. Iwelcome the change l tax changes . Hello, nikki. Iwelcome the change. Ithink tax changes . Hello, nikki. Iwelcome the change. I think pubs tax changes . Hello, nikki. Iwelcome the change. I think pubs have tax changes . Hello, nikki. Iwelcome the change. I think pubs have had i the change. I think pubs have had quite a time because of lockdown and energy bills. A lot of pubs near me have closed and have really been struggling. I think that anything that supports them is a good thing and also id like to add that obviously alcoholism is quite a big problem that people suffer with so i think that if you are going to drink its a lot better to do it in a pub or in a place where there is other people to look out for you whether thatis people to look out for you whether that is pub staff or other customers. If you do get destroyed and you are struggling there is someone there to look out for you, call you an ambulance, send you home or whatever. Call you an ambulance, send you home or whatever or whatever. Rather than the solitary seeker or whatever. Rather than the solitary seeker drinker. Or whatever. Rather than the i solitary seeker drinker. Lindsay or whatever. Rather than the solitary seeker drinker. Lindsay in durham, your experience . Hi. Hi. My mother died durham, your experience . Hi. Hi. My mother died aged durham, your experience . Hi. Hi. My mother died aged 55 durham, your experience . Hi. Hi. My mother died aged 55 after durham, your experience . Hi. Hi. My mother died aged 55 after years durham, your experience . Hi. Hi. My mother died aged 55 after years of. Mother died aged 55 after years of alcohol mother died aged 55 after years of alcohol abuse and she had access to very cheap alcohol abuse and she had access to very cheap alcohol both in pubs and in shops very cheap alcohol both in pubs and in shops. This is in 2019. And obviously in shops. This is in 2019. And obviously the effect is life changing for myself and my two sisters changing for myself and my two sisters. We had to fork out £6,000 between sisters. We had to fork out £6,000 between us sisters. We had to fork out £6,000 between us for her funeral. Obviously that was very expensive that we obviously that was very expensive that we never planned for someone who is that we never planned for someone who is 55 that we never planned for someone who is 55 i that we never planned for someone who is 55. Ijust despise it. It is the only who is 55. Ijust despise it. It is the only addiction that people actively the only addiction that people actively encourage. Your friends say. Actively encourage. Your friends say, do actively encourage. Your friends say. Do you actively encourage. Your friends say, do you want to have a drink . Why say, do you want to have a drink . Why arent say, do you want to have a drink . Why arent you drinking . That is really why arent you drinking . That is really boring, that kind of thing, and i really boring, that kind of thing, and i get really boring, that kind of thing, and i get that a lot, and thats not because and i get that a lot, and thats not because of and i get that a lot, and thats not because of my mother dying, its because because of my mother dying, its because im lucky enough to be able to take because im lucky enough to be able to take or because im lucky enough to be able to take or leave alcohol and i definitely dont want pubs to be negatively affected but i also think that it negatively affected but i also think that it is negatively affected but i also think that it is time for us to take ownership of how bad the uks drink problem ownership of how bad the uks drink problem is ownership of how bad the uks drink problem is and to actually take a step further and make alcohol tax higher step further and make alcohol tax higher because it shouldnt be something you can afford to get completely out of control on. It should completely out of control on. It should he completely out of control on. It should be completely controlled and that you should be completely controlled and that you should have to take account personally that you should have to take account personally for that because the toll on the personally for that because the toll on the nhs and the Overall Mental Health on the nhs and the Overall Mental Health of on the nhs and the Overall Mental Health of people. For example, ive worked health of people. For example, ive worked with people who havent turned worked with people who havent turned into work and that has affected turned into work and that has affected the team and people who have an affected the team and people who have an alcohol problem, it is a massive have an alcohol problem, it is a massive spiral of things rolling on and i massive spiral of things rolling on and i dont massive spiral of things rolling on and i dont think it is actively talked and i dont think it is actively talked about enough and people think you are talked about enough and people think you are sad because you dont drink as much you are sad because you dont drink as much alcohol as they do. It is really as much alcohol as they do. It is really had as much alcohol as they do. It is really bad. Do as much alcohol as they do. It is really bad as much alcohol as they do. It is reall bad. ,. ,. , really bad. Do you ever have a glass of wine or anything really bad. Do you ever have a glass of wine or anything like really bad. Do you ever have a glass of wine or anything like that . Really bad. Do you ever have a glass of wine or anything like that . I really bad. Do you ever have a glass of wine or anything like that . I do. | of wine or anything like that . I do. Im lucky enough of wine or anything like that . I do. Im lucky enough to of wine or anything like that . I do. Im lucky enough to be of wine or anything like that . I do. Im lucky enough to be able to take it or leave im lucky enough to be able to take it or leave it im lucky enough to be able to take it or leave it. I have two weddings coming it or leave it. I have two weddings coming up. It or leave it. I have two weddings coming up. I it or leave it. I have two weddings coming up, i can take it or leave it there. Coming up, i can take it or leave it there. Ini coming up, i can take it or leave it there, im happy to be the designated driver and get home safely designated driver and get home safely and i know everyone is good so thats safely and i know everyone is good so thats ok. Safely and i know everyone is good so thats 0k so thats ok. You are right about the way we so thats ok. You are right about the way we talk so thats ok. You are right about the way we talk about so thats ok. You are right about the way we talk about in so thats ok. You are right about the way we talk about in a so thats ok. You are right about| the way we talk about in a alcohol kind of brazen way. I felt guilty at the top saying i drink, i dont drink a lot but i do like a drink. We do it with rather too much abandon without thinking about the problems it creates, problems for individuals, problems for society. Sometimes you do walk down the high streets in some of our towns and cities on a friday night and think my god, this is like the wild west as you step over the next pile of something unpleasant, or pile of people as well. It cost the nhs 3. 5 billion a year at least, 3. 5 billion, staggering amount. Its not just the drunken admissions to a e, of course. It is violent assaults, all sorts of alcohol related crimes as well. It is so sad your mother, 55 years old, lindsay. If alcohol had been more expensive, would it have helped her . I had been more expensive, would it have helped her . Have helped her . I think it would have helped her . I think it would have made have helped her . I think it would have made it have helped her . I think it would have made it harder have helped her . I think it would have made it harder for have helped her . I think it would have made it harder for her have helped her . I think it would have made it harder for her to i have helped her . I think it would i have made it harder for her to have and to have made it harder for her to have and to have have made it harder for her to have and to have in such large quantities. Ive not mentioned the brands quantities. Ive not mentioned the brands because i dont want to give free advertising but it was available in a uk supermarket, £3 for two available in a uk supermarket, £3 for two litres and it is 10 at the time for two litres and it is 10 at the time so for two litres and it is 10 at the time so she for two litres and it is 10 at the time so she could buy three of those and drink time so she could buy three of those and drink them in a decider . Yes. It was cider~ and drink them in a decider . Yes. It was cider. ,. ,. ,. , was cider. The sort of cider that has never was cider. The sort of cider that has never seen was cider. The sort of cider that has never seen an was cider. The sort of cider that has never seen an apple was cider. 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But we have got to the point where myself and my sisters got to the point where myself and my sisters would tip a third of it out on top sisters would tip a third of it out on top it sisters would tip a third of it out on top it up sisters would tip a third of it out on top it up with water and she wouldnt on top it up with water and she wouldnt notice she was so drunk. It wouldnt notice she was so drunk. [ii is a wouldnt notice she was so drunk. Is a tale i wouldnt notice she was so drunk. It is a tale i know from friends and friends parents. It is so sad. Richard piper, do you want to come in, Chief Executive of alcohol change uk. You have heard lindsays story and stories like it a hell of a lot but most people enjoy a drink and feel that it is too expensive and feel that it is too expensive and this is going to be great for the pubs because it is redressing the pubs because it is redressing the balance. What you think about the balance. 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Whether it has apples or not it is of scrumpy, or a nice. Whether it has apples or not it is the of scrumpy, or a nice. Whether it has apples or not it is the amountl has apples or not it is the amount of alcohol that causes the harm. We do like to have these ideas of, there is a lovely rural version and a more industrial version. They are both as harmful as each other if they contain the same amount of alcohol. What the government has not done, and we have asked for them to address this, is they havent dealt with the fact that cider is still being artificially taxed cheaper than an equivalent strength beer or an equivalent strength wine. That is an equivalent strength wine. That is an anomaly that we do need to sort it. The fact is, as lindsay and your previous caller said, the cheaper alcohol is the more people drink and the more people die. It isnt actually that complex and equation. And we dont need to put up with it, we shouldnt have to put up with it. Is that absolutely verifiable, valid, scientifically backed equation . Valid, scientifically backed equation . Let valid, scientifically backed equation . Let me i valid, scientifically backed equation . Yes. Let me bring in. Some interestin equation . Yes let me bring in. Some interesting points of the. Let me bring in the Chief Executive of the wine and spirit trade association, miles beale committed address the cider issue and some other points raised there. Welcome, miles. Hi. Raised there. Welcome, miles. Hi, and hello to raised there. Welcome, miles. Hi, and hello to everyone else. We drink 15 less and hello to everyone else. We drink 15 less now and hello to everyone else. We drink i5 less now than and hello to everyone else. We drink i5 less now than we and hello to everyone else. We drink i5 less now than we did and hello to everyone else. We drink i5 less now than we did 15 and hello to everyone else. 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Alcohol producers, many of whom are making millions and millions of pounds in profit, are contributing fairly to the economy. All that is being asked by the government is for the producers to contribute in line with inflation. This is not an increase, it is in line with inflation. Finally, this point about cost of living. Alcohol is not an essential household good. It is a luxury item. We are not talking about pasta, bread, milk, we are talking about a substance that anybody can choose not to drink. So the idea that it is an essential in our basket of goods is, im afraid, nonsense. People can take it or leave it and should be able to take it or leave it, it isnt something you have to drink. His cake and essential . I isnt something you have to drink. His cake and essential . His cake and essential . I wouldnt sa so, his cake and essential . I wouldnt say so. N0 his cake and essential . I wouldnt say so, no. Would his cake and essential . I wouldnt say so, no. 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Drinkers drink of choice, by 58 and if you happen to like port iti and if you happen to like port it has been and if you happen to like port it has been increased and if you happen to like port it has been increased by and if you happen to like port it has been increased by 90 . I and if you happen to like port itl has been increased by 90 . Hot has been increased by 90 . Not reall. A has been increased by 90 . Not really a study has been increased by 90 . Really. A study in the has been increased by 90 . Ilrg� rr really. A study in the lancet has been increased by 90 . Really. A study in the lancet in 2023, ive looked at some stats and gone through some links, the minimum unit pricing policy in scotland decreased alcohol deaths by 13 . An arguable stat. This is the programme where you have the opportunity to express your views on the big stories of the day. We are at the heart of the bbc. The bbc is for you. Stewart is on the wirral. Rachel in gainsborough. Kevin, not real name, in surrey. Hello, kevin. Let me come to you, because a recovering alcoholic, congratulations on yourjourney. What do you think about this, kevin . Ive had two major events of alcoholism. Well, twice ive ended up alcoholism. Well, twice ive ended up in hospital, one required a three week stay. I think you cant tax your way out of alcoholism. I think the money that the government will earn out of this, its not going to make any difference, the money will not get ploughed directly back into alcohol services. I think in my experience the pressures of life like a cost of living, covid, you could argue, general uncertainty, is making people worse, taxing your way out is not going to help. Also, the government, i was listening to the transport minister talk on the news this morning and he is trying to make out that the tories are now for the working man. But its just like not all people go to a pub. There are certain villages where the pub is the heart of the community and always has been full time in memorial. But everyones living has changed, people have busy lives, they get drunk on the train coming home from work and that is where problems start because they are stressing out about work. The only way you will deal with alcoholism is if you are going to sort of deal with what the normal working man is dealing with. There is something in some people, isnt there, kevin . My friend who is no longer with us used to say you and me, nick, we can go into a pub, we can have a point, you can walk out of that pub, i cannot leave that pub, i have to have another, i have to have another, i have to have another. � � , to have another, i have to have another. � , another. And im exactly the same. I can no to another. And im exactly the same. I can go to a another. And im exactly the same. I can go to a pub another. And im exactly the same. I can go to a pub now, another. And im exactly the same. I can go to a pub now, i another. And im exactly the same. I can go to a pub now, i had another. And im exactly the same. I can go to a pub now, i had a another. And im exactly the same. I can go to a pub now, i had a meal. Can go to a pub now, i had a meal with my daughter the other day in guildford and not feel any sort of cravings or the urge to feel like i have to have a drink. But ijust think, again, two things, the current government have suddenly changed tack in the last two or three days, and now they suddenly have an environmental agenda where they are trying to hammer home the message that they are for the working man and will try and make your life easier and now they are saying we want pubs to be the centre of our community but we are going to tax the working man as well. So its like no one is actually coming up with any sort of ideas about how they can stop these problems. They just want to tax their way out of them. This just want to tax their way out of them. � ,. , just want to tax their way out of them. A just want to tax their way out of them. ,. Them. As you say, kevin, these are conflict problems. Them. As you say, kevin, these are conflict problems. Thank them. As you say, kevin, these are conflict problems. Thank you. Them. As you say, kevin, these are i conflict problems. Thank you. Rachel in gainsborough, hi. Goad conflict problems. Thank you. Rachel in gainsborough, hi. In gainsborough, hi. Good morning. Morninu. In gainsborough, hi. Good morning. Morning. Alcohol in gainsborough, hi. Good morning. Morning. Alcohol tax . In gainsborough, hi. Good morning. Morning. Alcoholtax . Yeah, in gainsborough, hi. Good morning. Morning. Alcoholtax . Yeah, i morning. Alcoholtax . Yeah, i su ose morning. Alcoholtax . Yeah, i suppose really morning. Alcoholtax . Yeah, i suppose really i morning. Alcoholtax . Yeah, i suppose really i just morning. Alcoholtax . 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I told one of your members of staff when i put my message in, i do the weekly staff when i put my message in, i do the weekly shop and i can buy my husband the weekly shop and i can buy my husband three boxes of stellar, so he gets husband three boxes of stellar, so he gets 30 husband three boxes of stellar, so he gets 30 cans, for £20. That actually he gets 30 cans, for £20. That actually costs me less than it does to buy actually costs me less than it does to buy stillwater for the kids and p0p to buy stillwater for the kids and pop for to buy stillwater for the kids and pop for the kids a week in the weekly pop for the kids a week in the weekly shop. And i, like you, like a drink weekly shop. And i, like you, like a drink at weekly shop. And i, like you, like a drink at night and i like a glass of wine drink at night and i like a glass of wine and drink at night and i like a glass of wine and i drink at night and i like a glass of wine and i want to drink wine, not drain wine and i want to drink wine, not drain cleaneror paint wine and i want to drink wine, not drain cleaner or paint stripper. And that bottle drain cleaner or paint stripper. And that bottle of wine is creeping up now to that bottle of wine is creeping up now to £9. 50, £10 for the decent bottie now to £9. 50, £10 for the decent bottle of now to £9. 50, £10 for the decent bottle of wine. Whereas, as i say, yesterday bottle of wine. Whereas, as i say, yesterday alone my daughters birthday, nipped out to get drinks and looked at the beer and thought im not buying one box when i can et im not buying one box when i can get three im not buying one box when i can get three at im not buying one box when i can get three at £20 and walked away with 30 get three at £20 and walked away with 30 cans of beer for £20 and two bottles with 30 cans of beer for £20 and two bottles of with 30 cans of beer for £20 and two bottles of prosecco for the same price bottles of prosecco for the same price. Sparkling wine is going to go down price. Sparkling wine is going to go down. �. Price. Sparkling wine is going to go down. , � ,. , , price. Sparkling wine is going to go down. V. , ;; down. Thats really interesting. 30 cans for 20 down. Thats really interesting. 30 cans for 20 quid, down. Thats really interesting. 30 cans for 20 quid, i down. Thats really interesting. 30 cans for 20 quid, i will down. 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Im the major supermarkets, you know all the names, im not the major supermarkets, you know all the names, im not going the major supermarkets, you know all the names, im not going to the major supermarkets, you know all the names, im not going to say the names, im not going to say them~ the names, im not going to say them there the names, im not going to say them. There is the names, im not going to say them. There is a the names, im not going to say them. There is a local the names, im not going to say them. There is a local one i the names, im not going to say them. There is a local one right| them. There is a local one right near them. There is a local one right near me them. There is a local one right near me and them. There is a local one right near me and i them. There is a local one right near me and i will them. There is a local one right near me and i will walk them. There is a local one right near me and i will walk in i them. 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You know, i and this really needs to be i addressed. You know, because and this really needs to be addressed. You know, because for and this really needs to be addressed. You know, because for the likes of addressed. You know, because for the likes of me addressed. You know, because for the likes of me it addressed. You know, because for the likes of me it is addressed. You know, because for the likes of me it is an addressed. You know, because for the likes of me it is an attraction. Well, it is not good. It is a point we need to well, it is not good. It is a point we need to put well, it is not good. It is a point we need to put two well, it is not good. It is a point we need to put two miles well, it is not good. It is a point we need to put two miles and i we need to put two miles and richard, it is a point that is being made by a good few people this morning, i am scanning the text. Thank you, stewart, mark, are you still with us . I thank you, stewart, mark, are you still with us . Thank you, stewart, mark, are you still with us . The i still with us . I am still here. The supermarket still with us . I am still here. The supermarket issue. Still with us . I am still here. The supermarket issue. Yes, still with us . I am still here. The supermarket issue. Yes, they i still with us . I am still here. The i supermarket issue. Yes, they have not awa supermarket issue. Yes, they have got away with supermarket issue. Yes, they have got away with it supermarket issue. Yes, they have got away with it for supermarket issue. Yes, they have got away with it for years, supermarket issue. Yes, they have got away with it for years, they i supermarket issue. Yes, they have} got away with it for years, they can charge what they want. Even i go in and am tempted to buy alcohol because it is so cheap. Their price change will hopefully make a difference. Well see how much of a difference. Well see how much of a difference it makes obviously in time, but, yes, fingers crossed. Some of your callers, it is too easy to get cheap alcohol. When they come to get cheap alcohol. When they come to a pub, it is not about coming for a drink, it is the experience, chatting, socialising, we have some people now who used to drink alcohol, and the comfort and eliminate because it is a pub, they have not come the drink. Eliminate because it is a pub, they have not come the drink. Some people will sell their have not come the drink. Some people will sell their soul have not come the drink. Some people will sell their soul to have not come the drink. Some people will sell their soul to get have not come the drink. Some people will sell their soul to get a have not come the drink. Some people will sell their soul to get a drink. Will sell their soul to get a drink. They will sell their soul to get a drink. They come will sell their soul to get a drink. They come for a drink, the chat and socialise, you are not going to get that in the supermarket and sitting at home drinking it in the kitchen. Stewart, did you say sell your soul . You would sell your soul to get that final drink you would sell your soul to get that final drink. When you become an alcoholic, final drink. When you become an alcoholic, you start drinking at home, alcoholic, you start drinking at home, you alcoholic, you start drinking at home, you know, because obviously the supermarket it says there, the alcohol the supermarket it says there, the alcohol is the supermarket it says there, the alcohol is a the supermarket it says there, the alcohol is a lot cheaper in the supermarket than it is in his pub. So, supermarket than it is in his pub. So. Yes, supermarket than it is in his pub. So. Yes, you supermarket than it is in his pub. 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This is a problem for england but like it used to be in england. This is a problem for england but notl is a problem for england but not necessarily is a problem for england but not necessarily the is a problem for england but not necessarily the whole is a problem for england but not necessarily the whole of is a problem for england but not necessarily the whole of the is a problem for england but notj necessarily the whole of the uk. Have necessarily the whole of the uk. Have you necessarily the whole of the uk. Have you been necessarily the whole of the uk. Have you been affected necessarily the whole of the uk. Have you been affected by necessarily the whole of the uk. Have you been affected by any l necessarily the whole of the uk. Have you been affected by any issues in our programme this morning . A range of websites can offer support, you can find it on the action line website. More to come on the alcohol tax. Is it Strong Enough . Get in touch. It came and it was there. Here is the news. As weve been hearing on the show major changes to alcohol duty have come into force. Drinks will now be taxed according to how strong they are. It means most wines and spirits will go up in price while some weak beers and sparkling wines will become cheaper. New figures show the rate at which food prices are rising slowed last month. The British Retail Consortium says Food Inflation was at 13. A injuly its lowest level since the end of last year. The Building Society nationwide says house prices fell by nearly li in the year tojuly. Thats the biggest drop since 2009. It also says buying property is difficult right now due to higher Interest Rates on mortgages. The family of captain sir tom moore has defended constructing a home spa without permission. Plans for an office to be built for the familys charity the captain Tom Foundation were originally given the go ahead. But new plans were submitted later for a swimming pool, toilet and kitchen. The family have been told to knock it down, but have lodged an appeal. Now the sport. Its another big day for england at the womens world cup, as they play their final group game against china in adelaide this lunchtime, a draw will be enough for the lionnesses to qualify top of group d. Bbc sports vicki sparks is there for us welcome to adelaide, a point would do it for england against the reigning asian champions china to get through to the knockout stages of the womens world cup. If they were to lose, they leave the door open for china and denmark to perhaps overtake them. They will have to do it without their key midfielder, they are yet to concede a goal at this womens world cup, and as reigning european champions they are one of the big favourites for this tournament, will be progressed safely through to the last 16 . Join us on radio 5 live, kick off is at midday uk time. And commentary on 5live from 11. Kick off is at 12. Its also denmark against haiti. Earlier, the width of a post saved the holders usa from being eliminated. They drew 0 0 with portugal, portugal hitting the woodwork in injury time. It means usa are second in group e, behind the netherlands who thrashed vietnam 7 nil. And its day one of glorious goodwood, Frankie Dettori will chase a record sixth win in the goodwood cup at 4 35. Dettori is on board his royal ascot gold cup winner courage mon ami and faces the runner up coltrane. This is your programme where you get your chance to express your views on the news, literally on the news programmes. Alcohol tax, is it too strong . Let me remind you of the basic principle, with variations and permutations. The higher the alcohol content, the higher the tax. We have a collar from content, the higher the tax. We have a collarfrom leeds, brentwood and Richard Piper is with us, Chief Executive of alcohol change uk. Some takes are saying pretty hard line but a lot of support as well given the effects on our society. Good morning, danny. First of all, a recovering alcoholic, an amazing achievement. Fora recovering alcoholic, an amazing achievement. For a long time. And from your text, you work in Alcoholics Anonymous. What do you think about higher prices . Has a recovering think about higher prices . Has a recovering alcoholic, think about higher prices . Has a recovering alcoholic, it think about higher prices . Has a recovering alcoholic, it is think about higher prices . Has a recovering alcoholic, it is not. Think about higher prices . Has a recovering alcoholic, it is not a l recovering alcoholic, it is not a sermon recovering alcoholic, it is not a sermon on recovering alcoholic, it is not a sermon on everyones recovery, a different sermon on everyones recovery, a different road to not picking up a drink, different road to not picking up a drink, a different road to not picking up a drink, a minute ago that struggle every drink, a minute ago that struggle every day, drink, a minute ago that struggle every day, i am lucky, it does not affect every day, i am lucky, it does not affect my every day, i am lucky, it does not affect my life, i do not think about it any affect my life, i do not think about it any more. Affect my life, i do not think about it any more, i have had personal tragedies. It any more, i have had personal tragedies, my wife passed away from cancer. Tragedies, my wife passed away from cancer, many things have happened to me, cancer, many things have happened to me. Lrut cancer, many things have happened to me. But i cancer, many things have happened to me. But i did cancer, many things have happened to me, but i did not pick up a drink. I am lucky me, but i did not pick up a drink. I am luckyt me, but i did not pick up a drink. I am lucky i do me, but i did not pick up a drink. I am lucky i do not struggle because i regularly am lucky i do not struggle because i regularly go to meetings. My point is, it regularly go to meetings. My point is. It does regularly go to meetings. My point is, it does not matter if they increase is, it does not matter if they increase the price buy whatever they are going increase the price buy whatever they are going to raise it by like a packet are going to raise it by like a packet of are going to raise it by like a packet of cigarettes, people are still going to buy it. Or they are going still going to buy it. Or they are going to still going to buy it. Or they are going to drink more of it to get the same going to drink more of it to get the same kick going to drink more of it to get the same kick out of it that they want to get same kick out of it that they want to get it same kick out of it that they want to get. It doesnt matter in my opinion to get. It doesnt matter in my opinion. My parents were smokers, only this opinion. My parents were smokers, only this morning, i looked at a packet only this morning, i looked at a packet of only this morning, i looked at a packet of cigarettes, the ones i used packet of cigarettes, the ones i used to packet of cigarettes, the ones i used to smoke, 15 quid � ie packet of cigarettes, the ones i used to smoke, 15 quid packet of cigarettes, the ones i used to smoke, 15 quid 15 quid now 15 auid for used to smoke, 15 quid 15 quid now 15 quid for a used to smoke, 15 quid 15 quid now 15 quid for a packet used to smoke, 15 quid 15 quid now 15 quid for a packet of used to smoke, 15 quid 15 quid now 15 quid for a packet of wellknown i 15 quid for a packet of well known cigarettes. 15 quid for a packet of well known cigarettes, the brand that i smoked was £15 cigarettes, the brand that i smoked was £15 50. When you pass through duty free. Was £15 50. When you pass through duty free, you can buy 200 in america duty free, you can buy 200 in america for the same amount of money for one america for the same amount of money for one packet in england. What about that for one packet in england. What about that a for one packet in england. What about that a guy for one packet in england. What about that a guy in for one packet in england. transit about that a guy in manchester for one packet in england. fausgtt about that a guy in manchester said he smoked 60 a day. 60 a day people are aaoin he smoked 60 a day. 60 a day people are going to he smoked 60 a day. 60 a day people are going to pay he smoked 60 a day. 60 a day people are going to pay it he smoked 60 a day. 60 a day people are going to pay it because he smoked 60 a day. 60 a day people are going to pay it because they he smoked 60 a day. 60 a day people are going to pay it because they are. Are going to pay it because they are addicted are going to pay it because they are addicted to are going to pay it because they are addicted to it. There is a very fine line between alcohol dependency and alcoholism. As i said to your researcher earlier, i do not see i am an researcher earlier, i do not see i am an alcoholic in public because i always am an alcoholic in public because i always get am an alcoholic in public because i always get one person who says i drink always get one person who says i drink a always get one person who says i drink a bottle of wine a night, do you think drink a bottle of wine a night, do you think i drink a bottle of wine a night, do you think i have got a problem . And i am |. You think i have got a problem . And i am i. Well. You think i have got a problem . And lam i, well, what do you think i have got a problem . And i am i, well, what do you think . It is a very i am i, well, what do you think . It is a very fine i am i, well, what do you think . It is a very fine line, you have alcoholics is a very fine line, you have alcoholics who are people who are floating alcoholics who are people who are floating alcoholics and people whose lives become to complete stop. I was a functioning alcoholic but ijumped off of a functioning alcoholic but ijumped off of the a functioning alcoholic but ijumped off of the elevator at the top and stayed off of the elevator at the top and stayed there. Off of the elevator at the top and stayed there stayed there. How much are you drinkina . Stayed there. How much are you drinking . How stayed there. How much are you drinking . How much stayed there. How much are you drinking . How much did stayed there. How much are you drinking . How much did you stayed there. How much are you i drinking . How much did you drink . Two bottles of rum a day. That sounds two bottles of rum a day. That sounds dramatic, from the morning iilht sounds dramatic, from the morning right through to the evening. And when right through to the evening. And when t right through to the evening. And when i came back to the uk, i was drinking when i came back to the uk, i was drinking a when i came back to the uk, i was drinking a bottle of whiskey a day. It was drinking a bottle of whiskey a day. It was a drinking a bottle of whiskey a day. It was a constant top up. It wasnt one hit. It was a constant top up. It wasnt one hit, during the day, weekend, it would one hit, during the day, weekend, it would go one hit, during the day, weekend, it would go ballistic. My late wife unfortunately had seven years of me being unfortunately had seven years of me being completely hammered. And then she had being completely hammered. And then she had seven years of me sober. And then she she had seven years of me sober. And then she passed away of cancer. To then she passed away of cancer. To the point then she passed away of cancer. To the point at then she passed away of cancer. To the point at the funeral, people were the point at the funeral, people were trying to smell my breath to see if were trying to smell my breath to see if i were trying to smell my breath to see if i had were trying to smell my breath to see if i had a relapse. Which i found see if i had a relapse. Which i found embarrassing, but disrespectful also. That is the way of the disrespectful also. That is the way of the world, unfortunately. Alcohol. Of the world, unfortunately. Alcohol, i go out with people all the time alcohol, i go outwith people all the time i alcohol, i go out with people all the time. I buy a alcohol, i go out with people all the time. I buya round alcohol, i go out with people all the time. I buy a round of drinks at the time. I buy a round of drinks at the tennis the time. I buy a round of drinks at the tennis club, 50 quid and i will have the tennis club, 50 quid and i will have a the tennis club, 50 quid and i will have a coca cola. The tennis club, 50 quid and i will have a cocacola. Have a cocacola. What is it like when you have a cocacola. What is it like when you are have a cocacola. What is it like when you are taking have a cocacola. What is it like when you are taking a have a cocacola. What is it like when you are taking a trip have a cocacola. What is it like when you are taking a trip backl have a cocacola. What is it like l when you are taking a trip back on carrying the alcohol back and you get the smell of the alcohol . I miss a nice glass get the smell of the alcohol . I miss a nice glass of get the smell of the alcohol . I miss a nice glass of wine get the smell of the alcohol . I miss a nice glass of wine with get the smell of the alcohol . I miss a nice glass of wine with a get the smell of the alcohol . I miss a nice glass of wine with a nice a nice glass of wine with a nice steak a nice glass of wine with a nice steak or a nice glass of wine with a nice steak or a a nice glass of wine with a nice steak or a glass of wine with a fish dish~ steak or a glass of wine with a fish dish~ but steak or a glass of wine with a fish dish~ but i steak or a glass of wine with a fish dish. But i will not stop there. If you said dish. But i will not stop there. If you said to dish. But i will not stop there. If you said to me have one year, i would you said to me have one year, i would be you said to me have one year, i would be thinking about that all day until the would be thinking about that all day until the next day, then it would be one. Until the next day, then it would be one. Two. Until the next day, then it would be one, two, three. I have been around 22 years one, two, three. I have been around 22 years now one, two, three. I have been around 22 years now sober and i have seen so many 22 years now sober and i have seen so many people full of the wagon. I constantly so many people full of the wagon. I constantly go to meetings. . Do you et constantly go to meetings. . Do you get that. Constantly go to meetings. . Do you get that, people encouraging you . They are get that, people encouraging you . They are people i dont want to be around they are people i dont want to be around. When you get sober, you change. Around. When you get sober, you change, people, places and things. If change, people, places and things. If you change, people, places and things. If you go change, people, places and things. If you go to change, people, places and things. If you go to the hairdresser, what is going if you go to the hairdresser, what is going to if you go to the hairdresser, what is going to happen . You get your hair cut is going to happen . You get your hair cut. When i get to the point when hair cut. When i get to the point when i hair cut. When i get to the point when i have had enough of being in the social when i have had enough of being in the Social Circle when everyone is hammered, i go home, and i watch netfliac hammered, i go home, and i watch netfliac the hammered, i go home, and i watch netflix. The next day, you hear the carnage netflix. The next day, you hear the carnage are netflix. The next day, you hear the carnage are the fun from the night before carnage are the fun from the night before or carnage are the fun from the night before or the punch up. They are going before or the punch up. They are going off before or the punch up. They are going off track a little bit, i feel that it going off track a little bit, i feel that it does not matter what the duty price that it does not matter what the duty price is on alcohol, people are going duty price is on alcohol, people are going to duty price is on alcohol, people are going to drink it. Thats my point. Tony going to drink it. Thats my point. Tony in going to drink it. Thats my point. Tony in lincoln, what do you think . I want to hear the other side of it. You do not like the tax. I i want to hear the other side of it. You do not like the tax. I want to hear the other side of it. You do not like the tax. I am not in lincoln. You do not like the tax. I am not in lincoln my you do not like the tax. I am not in lincoln. My mistake. You do not like the tax. I am not in lincoln. My mistake. What you do not like the tax. I am not in lincoln. My mistake. What do you do not like the tax. I am not in lincoln. My mistake. What do you| lincoln. My mistake. What do you reckon . Putting lincoln. My mistake. What do you reckon . Putting high lincoln. My mistake. What do you reckon . Putting high taxes lincoln. My mistake. What do you reckon . Putting high taxes on lincoln. My mistake. What do you i reckon . Putting high taxes on drink, it not only doesnt reckon . 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Do i make more lucrative for people to start doing that even more. Do you feel this is start doing that even more. Do you feel this is an start doing that even more. Do you feel this is an attack start doing that even more. Do you feel this is an attack on start doing that even more. Do you feel this is an attack on people i start doing that even more. Do you| feel this is an attack on people who are drinking for pleasure . Not drinking to excess . Drinking for just a treat. Drinking to excess . Drinking for just a treat just a treat. Yes. I can drink or leave it just a treat. Yes. I can drink or leave it i just a treat. Yes. I can drink or leave it. I can just a treat. Yes. I can drink or leave it. I can go just a treat. Yes. I can drink or leave it. I can go out, just a treat. Yes. I can drink or leave it. I can go out, i just a treat. Yes. I can drink or leave it. I can go out, i have i just a treat. Yes. I can drink or leave it. I can go out, i have a| leave it. 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And i with my meal and that is it. I am i quite happy to have that. And drive all the quite happy to have that. And drive all the way quite happy to have that. And drive all the way back quite happy to have that. And drive all the way back from quite happy to have that. And drive all the way back from nottingham. | quite happy to have that. And drive i all the way back from nottingham. It is a good all the way back from nottingham. It is a good night all the way back from nottingham. It is a good night out. All the way back from nottingham. It is a good night out. You all the way back from nottingham. It is a good night out. Is a good night out. You are all riaht to is a good night out. You are all right to drive is a good night out. You are all right to drive with is a good night out. You are all right to drive with one is a good night out. You are all right to drive with one glass i is a good night out. 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Glass of wine with it, i am usually thereto gone midnight anyway, there is entertainment thereto gone midnight anyway, there is entertainment laid thereto gone midnight anyway, there is entertainment laid on, thereto gone midnight anyway, there is entertainment laid on, i thereto gone midnight anyway, there is entertainment laid on, i would i is entertainment laid on, i would et is entertainment laid on, i would get there is entertainment laid on, i would get there at is entertainment laid on, i would get there at seven is entertainment laid on, i would get there at seven oclock, is entertainment laid on, i would get there at seven oclock, one i get there at seven oclock, one glass get there at seven oclock, one glass of get there at seven oclock, one glass of wine get there at seven oclock, one glass of wine with get there at seven oclock, one glass of wine with a get there at seven oclock, one glass of wine with a body get there at seven oclock, one glass of wine with a body massi get there at seven oclock, one glass of wine with a body mass like mine glass of wine with a body mass like mine is glass of wine with a body mass like mine is more glass of wine with a body mass like mine is more than, glass of wine with a body mass like mine is more than, you glass of wine with a body mass like mine is more than, you know, glass of wine with a body mass like i mine is more than, you know, enough time for mine is more than, you know, enough time for the mine is more than, you know, enough time for the alcohol mine is more than, you know, enough time for the alcohol to mine is more than, you know, enough time for the alcohol to burn mine is more than, you know, enough time for the alcohol to burn off. Mine is more than, you know, enough time for the alcohol to burn off. I time for the alcohol to burn off. I ust time for the alcohol to burn off. I just feel time for the alcohol to burn off. I just feet if time for the alcohol to burn off. I just feel if people time for the alcohol to burn off. I just feel if people need time for the alcohol to burn off. I just feel if people need to, time for the alcohol to burn off. I just feel if people need to, what| just feel if people need to, what is the word . Just feel if people need to, what is the word . It just feel if people need to, what is the word . If i just feel if people need to, what is the word . If i go just feel if people need to, what is the word . If i go over just feel if people need to, what is the word . If i go over to just feel if people need to, what is the word . If i go over to the the word . If i go over to the continent. The word . If i go over to the continent. the word . If i go over to the continent, i do the word . If i go over to the continent, i do not the word . If i go over to the continent, i do not see the word . If i go over to the l continent, i do not see people acting continent, i do not see people acting in continent, i do not see people acting in the continent, i do not see people acting in the streets continent, i do not see people acting in the streets the continent, i do not see people acting in the streets the way. Continent, i do not see people i acting in the streets the way they did here acting in the streets the way they did here in acting in the streets the way they did here in britain. Acting in the streets the way they did here in britain. I acting in the streets the way they did here in britain. I have acting in the streets the way they did here in britain. I have had did here in britain. I have had family did here in britain. I have had fanrity and did here in britain. I have had family and friends did here in britain. I have had family and friends come did here in britain. I have had family and friends come over| did here in britain. I have had family and friends come over from italy family and friends come over from itaty and family and friends come over from itaty and they family and friends come over from italy and they wanted family and friends come over from italy and they wanted to family and friends come over from italy and they wanted to go family and friends come over from italy and they wanted to go into i family and friends come over from i italy and they wanted to go into the city on italy and they wanted to go into the city on a italy and they wanted to go into the city on a night italy and they wanted to go into the city on a night out, italy and they wanted to go into the city on a night out, and italy and they wanted to go into the city on a night out, and quite city on a night out, and quite frankly, city on a night out, and quite frankly, i city on a night out, and quite frankly, i have city on a night out, and quite frankly, i have been city on a night out, and quite| frankly, i have been ashamed city on a night out, and quite frankly, i have been ashamed when you see frankly, i have been ashamed when you see people frankly, i have been ashamed when you see people in frankly, i have been ashamed when you see people in the frankly, i have been ashamed when you see people in the gutter. Frankly, i have been ashamed when you see people in the gutter. [it frankly, i have been ashamed when you see people in the gutter. [it is. You see people in the gutter. It is unbelievable you see people in the gutter. It is unbelievable i you see people in the gutter. Unbelievable i am you see people in the gutter. Unbelievable iam not you see people in the gutter. Iii iii unbelievable i am not going you see people in the gutter. Unbelievable i am not going to you see people in the gutter. Unbelievable i am not going to talk about certain cities but i have had some extraordinary experiences. I bet you have as well. Some extraordinary experiences. I bet you have as well. Good morning. Yes, i bet you have as well. Good morning. Yes. I have bet you have as well. Good morning. Yes. I have had bet you have as well. Good morning. Yes, i have had experiences bet you have as well. Good morning. Yes, i have had experiences where i | yes, i have had experiences where i have treen yes, i have had experiences where i have been approached by people who were drunk have been approached by people who were drunk on the street and being a british were drunk on the street and being a british asian, they attract that type british asian, they attract that type of british asian, they attract that type of person. Name calling on the rest of type of person. Name calling on the rest of it type of person. Name calling on the rest of it. And that is induced by all the rest of it. And that is induced by all the alcohol they have been consuming, really, you know . But it is inside them consuming, really, you know . But it is inside them in consuming, really, you know . But it is inside them in the consuming, really, you know . But it is inside them in the first consuming, really, you know . But it is inside them in the first place. Is inside them in the first place. Yes, i suppose the need dutch courage. Yes, i suppose the need dutch courage, really, but the reason i ot courage, really, but the reason i got in courage, really, but the reason i got in touch courage, really, but the reason i got in touch is because the plain fact is got in touch is because the plain fact is if got in touch is because the plain fact is if they invented alcohol today, fact is if they invented alcohol today, because it is obvious it is a depressant, today, because it is obvious it is a depressant, it is not something. If depressant, it is not something. If people depressant, it is not something. If people think they feel happy when they drink, thats fine, it is the after they drink, thats fine, it is the after effects that makes them suicidat after effects that makes them suicidal. I will give you an example. I suicidal. I will give you an example suicidal. I will give you an example. Suicidal. I will give you an examle. ~. ,. , example. I like a couple of bottles of beer during example. I like a couple of bottles of beer during the example. I like a couple of bottles of beer during the week example. I like a couple of bottles of beer during the week and example. I like a couple of bottles of beer during the week and a example. I like a couple of bottles. Of beer during the week and a glass of beer during the week and a glass of whiskey on a friday night, it is relaxing, it is a warming feeling, it is just the one, or maybe two, it is not a problem, i am like most people. I is not a problem, i am like most eole. ~ , is not a problem, i am like most neale, ~ ,. ,. , is not a problem, i am like most eole. ,. ,. ,. , people. I think it is fortunate that ou are people. I think it is fortunate that you are able people. I think it is fortunate that you are able to people. I think it is fortunate that you are able to control people. I think it is fortunate that you are able to control the people. I think it is fortunate that l you are able to control the amount that you you are able to control the amount that you consume. But the issue here is that that you consume. But the issue here is that people who cant control it, like i is that people who cant control it, like i mentioned, last year, the nhs spent like i mentioned, last year, the nhs spent over like i mentioned, last year, the nhs spent over {3. 5 billion towards alcoholism, to alcoholics. I mean, like, alcoholism, to alcoholics. I mean, like. £35 alcoholism, to alcoholics. I mean, like, {3. 5 billion could be spent elsewhere, you know . Like, £3. 5 billion could be spent elsewhere, you know . Like, £15 billion could be spent elsewhere, you know . What would you do . We would elsewhere, you know . What would you do . We would all elsewhere, you know . What would you do . We would all be elsewhere, you know . What would you do . We would all be smoking elsewhere, you know . What would you do . We would all be smoking weed elsewhere, you know . What would you do . We would all be smoking weed if. Do . We would all be smoking weed if there was no alcohol. I do . We would all be smoking weed if there was no alcohol. There was no alcohol. I think the science is there was no alcohol. I think the science is still there was no alcohol. I think the science is still out there was no alcohol. I think the science is still out as there was no alcohol. I think the science is still out as far there was no alcohol. I think the science is still out as far as science is still out as far as consuming wheat is concerned. Im sure in consuming wheat is concerned. Im sure in the consuming wheat is concerned. Im sure in the long term it cannot good for you sure in the long term it cannot good for you we sure in the long term it cannot good for ou. ~. , sure in the long term it cannot good for ou. ~. ,. , for you. We need a little bit of a. For you. We need a little bit of a unless for you. We need a little bit of a. Unless you for you. We need a little bit of a. Unless you have for you. We need a little bit of a. Unless you have an for you. We need a little bit of a. Unless you have an ideological or religious, for most people, it is something they do and it does not cause them any harm at all. But you make a really good point, about the devastation in our society. How do you feel when you see one of those hen are stag dos, what do you think . Signs mark will hen are stag dos, what do you think . Sins mar ,. ,. , hen are stag dos, what do you think . Sins mar ,. , ~. , hen are stag dos, what do you think . Sinsmar ~. , signs mark you know something is auoin to signs mark you know something is oaian to ao signs mark you know something is going to go wrong signs mark you know something is going to go wrong. I signs mark you know something is going to go wrong. I have signs mark you know something is going to go wrong. I have actually| going to go wrong. I have actually seen going to go wrong. I have actually seen people in a party where they were seen people in a party where they were the seen people in a party where they were the best of friends and the drinks were the best of friends and the drinks too were the best of friends and the drinks too much and they ended up punching drinks too much and they ended up punching each other. It is really regrettable. Coming back to the hospitals, i want to say back in 2018. Hospitals, i want to say back in 2018. I hospitals, i want to say back in 2018, i lost my father unfortunately. We had taken him in because unfortunately. We had taken him in because he unfortunately. We had taken him in because he had low Blood Pressure and he because he had low Blood Pressure and he was because he had low Blood Pressure and he was collapsing. We wanted to have him and he was collapsing. We wanted to have him looked at and while we were there. Have him looked at and while we were there. The have him looked at and while we were there, the doctor and nurse said you do not there, the doctor and nurse said you do not have there, the doctor and nurse said you do not have to state, we will let you keep do not have to state, we will let you keep an eye on him, you can go. So we you keep an eye on him, you can go. So we left you keep an eye on him, you can go. So we left in you keep an eye on him, you can go. So we left. In the middle of the night, so we left. In the middle of the night, he so we left. In the middle of the night, he wanted to go to the bathroom, but he could not find a nurse. Bathroom, but he could not find a nurse. He bathroom, but he could not find a nurse, he tried to get up and he fell over. Nurse, he tried to get up and he fell over, and he actually consequently got a brain bleed and died consequently got a brain bleed and died we consequently got a brain bleed and died. We went to the hospital the following died. We went to the hospital the following day and asked what had happened, we asked why there was not a nurse happened, we asked why there was not a nurse in happened, we asked why there was not a nurse in attendance, and the head nurse a nurse in attendance, and the head nurse said a nurse in attendance, and the head nurse said it a nurse in attendance, and the head nurse said it is because she was attending nurse said it is because she was attending to an alcoholic. This went deep to attending to an alcoholic. This went deep to us attending to an alcoholic. This went deep to us as a family. Here is my father, deep to us as a family. Here is my father, an deep to us as a family. Here is my father, an outstanding upstanding citizen, father, an outstanding upstanding citizen, and father, an outstanding upstanding citizen, and they went to an alcoholic citizen, and they went to an alcoholic who was feeling suicidal because alcoholic who was feeling suicidal because he is depressed, because alcohol because he is depressed, because alcohol at because he is depressed, because alcohol at the end of the day is a depressant. I� m alcohol at the end of the day is a depressant depressant. Im so sorry that happened depressant. Im so sorry that happened to depressant. Im so sorry that happened to your depressant. Im so sorry that happened to your father, depressant. Im so sorry that happened to your father, it l depressant. Im so sorry that| happened to your father, it is unconscionable, it is awful. There are lots of things taken to excess that are damaging. Ideas taken to excess are damaging. The that are damaging. Ideas taken to excess are damaging. That are damaging. Ideas taken to excess are damaging. The thing about alcohol is people excess are damaging. The thing about alcohol is people on excess are damaging. The thing about alcohol is people on tv excess are damaging. The thing about alcohol is people on tv saying excess are damaging. The thing about alcohol is people on tv saying the alcohol is people on tv saying the pros and alcohol is people on tv saying the pros and the cons, there is not a substitute pros and the cons, there is not a substitute for the government to raise substitute for the government to raise taxes. If we ban alcohol altogether, the government would be in a lot altogether, the government would be in a lot of altogether, the government would be in a lot of trouble because they havem in a lot of trouble because they havem l in a lot of trouble because they have. ,. ,. , in a lot of trouble because they have. ,. , have. I have to stop you there, because i have. I have to stop you there, because i want have. I have to stop you there, because i want to have. I have to stop you there, because i want to see have. I have to stop you there, because i want to see mark have. I have to stop you there, because i want to see mark in i because i want to see mark in guildford. Hello. What do you think . I am an alcoholic and i am relapsing now. And i watch your show because i sit on the sofa Drinking Alcohol in the morning. I enjoy your show and it helps to be part of the world basically. You give me a chance to use my head rather thanjust basically. You give me a chance to use my head rather than just sit and drink. I would like to stick to the subject. Alcoholism right now. The tax on non alcoholic drinks that taste like alcohol should be less. What drinks are you talking about . What drinks are you talking about . What drinks are you talking about nonalcoholic beer . You what drinks are you talking about nonalcoholic beer . What drinks are you talking about nonalcoholic beer . You pay the same arice for a nonalcoholic beer . You pay the same price for a nonalcoholic nonalcoholic beer . You pay the same price for a nonalcoholic beer. Nonalcoholic beer . You pay the same price for a nonalcoholic beer. I nonalcoholic beer . You pay the same price for a nonalcoholic beer. I am. Price for a nonalcoholic beer. I am lucky, i am price for a nonalcoholic beer. I am lucky, lam not price for a nonalcoholic beer. I am lucky, i am not that bad, i can go for months where ijust get one beer, but i am not encouraged to get the nonalcoholic beer. Thats what im trying to say. I pay £5 70 in a pub in guildford for the same thing. All this tax. I could become drug dealer, i havent done any of those things, but i couldnt. So what does that matter about the tax . I dont get the point about the tax. Its not stopping me. Im on a mission at the moment, im trying to get to the next Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. The guy before, he is the real deal, the Alcoholics Anonymous man who has recovered. You the Alcoholics Anonymous man who has recovered. ,. , ~ the Alcoholics Anonymous man who has recovered. ,. ,. , recovered. You would like to be in that situation. Recovered. You would like to be in that situation. They recovered. You would like to be in that situation. They never recovered. You would like to be in that situation. They never like recovered. You would like to be in that situation. They never like to i that situation. They never like to sa the that situation. They never like to say they have that situation. They never like to say they have recovered that situation. They never like to say they have recovered and say they have recovered and i understand that. Three or four times, i have been sober and ifeel great. And i enjoy cups of coffee and cake. But i need that because i have got an addiction. Apparently, 10 of people have real problems with alcohol, but 3 are alcoholic. We are talking about it tax. The tax has got nothing to do with it. All thatis has got nothing to do with it. All that is going to do is make more criminals out of us. Criminals out of us. Listen, ive lost the line criminals out of us. Listen, ive lost the line there. Criminals out of us. Listen, ive lost the line there. Are criminals out of us. Listen, ive lost the line there. Are you criminals out of us. Listen, ive. Lost the line there. Are you there . Thank you for coming on. Are you considering, because hearing it from you is really important, are you going to go to Alcoholics Anonymous and try and. Two i going to go to Alcoholics Anonymous and try and. Two and try and. Two i spent my life there. And try and. Two i spent my life there the and try and. Two i spent my life there. The nhs and try and. Two i spent my life there. The nhs or and try and. Two i spent my life there. The nhs or the and try and. Two i spent my life | there. The nhs or the government have put me on sick leave, and i sit in my house, i am very lucky to have a council flat, in my house, i am very lucky to have a councilflat, and they in my house, i am very lucky to have a council flat, and they pay for it and i am just going to drink for the rest of my life basically. If i dont go to Alcoholics Anonymous. And the church, actually. That dont go to Alcoholics Anonymous. And the church, actually. And the church, actually. That is oaod, i and the church, actually. That is good. I hope and the church, actually. That is good. I hope we and the church, actually. That is good, i hope we talk and the church, actually. That is good, i hope we talk again, and the church, actually. That is. Good, i hope we talk again, thank you for watching and listening to the problem Programme Every day. I really appreciate it. Next time there is a topic that grabs you, please get in touch, what you have said today is born of great experience. And personal pain. Thank you very much indeed. If you have been affected by issues in this discussion, there is a range of organisations and websites on the action mine website. Work full time, dont have much time, dont spend on holidays, cinemas, dont smoke, my treat as a bottle of wine or two on the weekend, i work hard all week, i do not drink to get drunk, just to unwind after a hectic week. Now the costis unwind after a hectic week. Now the cost is going up, the only treat i have, my work will be work, work, work, work and no play thats the way it goes. Thank you for listening, thank you for watching, this is the programme when you can express your views. Live from london, this is bbc news. At least 20 people are killed and 19 are missing as storm doksuri batters northern china. Police in australia say a former childcare worker has been charged with more than 1600 child abuse offences. All the children allegedly offended against were prepubescent girls. We allege the 45 year old man from the gold coast recorded all his alleged offending on his phone and cameras. France says itll start evacuating its citizens from niger on tuesday, after last weeks military coup. And england prepare to take on china at the womens world cup in australia. Hello. We start in northern china, where the death toll from heavy rains and flooding has risen to 20. Authorities say 19 people are also missing in beijing and hebei, as rescue efforts continue. Storm doksuri hit the country on friday, bringing almost a months rainfall to beijing injust1r0 hours. Military units and helicopters are now being used to deliver food and supplies to rail passengers whove been stranded by the flood waters. Forecasters have warned of the potential for more flash flooding and landslides in the coming days. 0ur china correspondent Stephen Mcdonell sent this update from beijing. I will start with the good