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americans tuned in — fair to say they had more sympathy for harry and meghan than for the palace. also in the programme... americans who have been fully vaccinated can now meet each other indoors without wearing masks, under new guidance issued today by the cdc. and they are back — the welsh goats that occupied llandudno. and they mean business. this time — they have taken primark. hello, i'm katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. the queen has faced many crises in the 68 years of her reign. the death of diana princess of wales, the collapse of three of her childrens�* marriages — and now this. the interview, as it's being called, ranks pretty high on that list of dramas. this spectacular fallout with the sussexes is reminiscent of the bitter period that culminated in the death of harry's mother but this time there's race involved too. or perhaps even racism. meghan and harry suggest someone in the royalfamily, was concerned about the colour of their future child. harry says it wasn't the queen or prince phillip, but they suggest it was someone close. so far there's been no response from the palace. the only communication today was a tweet celebrating commonwealth day. notable, because in the context of the commonwealth, these allegations could be hugely damaging. however, remember, so far we only have one side of the story. here with all the latest our royal correspondent nicholas witchell. whatever the palace expected, the reality was worse, with meghan describing uncaring attitudes and a racist remark from a member of the royal family. it nearly broke her. were you thinking of harming yourself, having suicidal thoughts? yes. this was very clear. very clear and very scary and i did not know who even to turn to. these are the thoughts that i'm having in the middle of the night that are very clear, and i'm scared because this is very real. it's not some abstract idea. this is methodical and this is not who i am. a particular low point had occurred in january 2019. the couple had attended an event at the royal albert hall. meghan says she was in tears for much of it and told harry she did not want to be alive anymore. she said she had approached one of the most senior people in the palace seeking help and she says she was told was nothing that could be done. rewind to a spring day in may 2018. it all started with so much promise. then meghan admitted she had been naive at the time of her wedding to harry. she said she did not fully understand what her role as a royal would involve. the queen quickly took her under her wing and there was a successful joint visit to chester. meghan said the queen had always made herfeel welcome and she loved being in a company. but the relationship with catherine, the duchess of cambridge, was evidently more complicated. at one point there were newspaper stories that meghan had made catherine cry. in fact, meghan said it was catherine who had made her cry but the palace never corrected the stories. it was a moment, meghan said, when things changed. they were willing to lie to protect other members of the royal family but they were not willing to tell the truth to protect me and my husband, she said. and then to another extraordinary claim concerning their son archie in the months before his birth, meghan said there had been discussions about his status and security and she says there was a comment from a family member about the colour of his skin. in those months when i was pregnant, all around the same time, so we had in tandem the conversation of he will not be given security, he will not be given a title, and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he is born. what? and you're not going to tell me who had the conversation? i think that would be very damaging to them. harryjoined his wife for the final part of the interview. he hinted otherfamily members had becomejealous of them after their visit to australia in 2018. things really changed after that, he said. he said both his father and brother were trapped in the royal family. he was happy to have space from william and he revealed a rift with his father. there's a lot to work through. i feel really let down. because he has been through something similar. he knows what pain feels like. and archie's his grandson. but... at the same time, of course i will always love him. but there's a lot of hurt that's happened. they were revelations of the kind that any family would prefer to keep private. many things remain unanswered not least the identity of the family member who made the remark about archie's skin colour. on that, oprah winfrey has said who it was not. he did not share the identity with me but wanted to make sure that i knew if i had an opportunity to share it that it not his i knew if i had an opportunity to share it that it was not his grandmother nor his grandfather apart of those talks. but for all the hurt and pain that this couple had expressed about the past, meghan said that they were now thriving and harry said time heals all things. nicholas witchell, bbc news. 17 million viewers watched the interview live here in the us last night — and the interview in full is currently airing in the uk as we speak. how will it land? here to discuss is tv presenter and talk show host trisha goddard. thank and talk show host trisha goddard. you very much from thank you very much forjoining us from stanford and connecticut. you watch that on this side of the atlantic as did i. i was struck by the fact that their reaction to harry and meghan markle was almost universally sympathetic. i don't think it will be that way in the uk but there is a real transit lengthy difference here is seen.— but there is a real transit lengthy difference here is seen. there is a ve bi difference here is seen. there is a very big difference. _ difference here is seen. there is a very big difference. and _ difference here is seen. there is a very big difference. and i - difference here is seen. there is a very big difference. and i think. difference here is seen. there is a very big difference. and i think it| very big difference. and i think it is from _ very big difference. and i think it is from a — very big difference. and i think it is from a perception of snobbery that meghan markle was not good enough _ that meghan markle was not good enough and also sort of she wasn't one of— enough and also sort of she wasn't one of us, — enough and also sort of she wasn't one of us, and it is the class thing and that— one of us, and it is the class thing and that has— one of us, and it is the class thing and that has reared its head and other— and that has reared its head and other relationships with kate middleton as well. not only she wasn't — middleton as well. not only she wasn't good enough, she was middle—class, she wasn't a proper breathing — middle—class, she wasn't a proper breathing and what have you. with meghan. _ breathing and what have you. with meghan, also the race thing here. a lot meghan, also the race thing here. a iot of— meghan, also the race thing here. a lot of things i think you might agree — lot of things i think you might agree on— lot of things i think you might agree on this, a lot of things the tabloids— agree on this, a lot of things the tabloids have got away with over the years _ tabloids have got away with over the years in— tabloids have got away with over the years in the — tabloids have got away with over the years in the uk, they would not publish — years in the uk, they would not publish those things here. everybody thinks _ publish those things here. everybody thinks of— publish those things here. everybody thinks of america being very forward but in _ thinks of america being very forward but in many— thinks of america being very forward but in many ways there are more conservative than britain. it is a wage _ conservative than britain. it is a wage exposition. —— where juxtaposition. do wage exposition. -- where juxtaposition.— wage exposition. -- where juxtaposition. wage exposition. -- where 'uxtaosition. ., wage exposition. -- where juxtapo opportunity for me family? i was at windsor castle, me a christian, we were reporting on the wedding when it happened, it did seem like there was this moment of incredible hope and optimism and here was the royal family welcoming somebody who was an american divorcee of mixed race and people seemed excited about that possibility for the family. yes, it definitely was _ possibility for the family. yes, it definitely was a _ possibility for the family. yes, it definitely was a missed - possibility for the family. yes, it - definitely was a missed opportunity. you're _ definitely was a missed opportunity. you're absolutely right. however, it wasn't _ you're absolutely right. however, it wasn't all_ you're absolutely right. however, it wasn't all roses. if you remember the press — wasn't all roses. if you remember the press was saying meghan was exotic— the press was saying meghan was exotic or— the press was saying meghan was exotic or straight out of compton, and that— exotic or straight out of compton, and that is— exotic or straight out of compton, and that is so offensive! i was talking — and that is so offensive! i was talking to _ and that is so offensive! i was talking to a journalist today and to try to _ talking to a journalist today and to try to out — talking to a journalist today and to try to put across to him that supposed you meet your lovely wife and introduce her to your family and in the _ and introduce her to your family and in the headline in your local newspaper is that you're intended and beloved looks like she is straight _ and beloved looks like she is straight out of a stripjoint. i mean. — straight out of a stripjoint. i mean. and _ straight out of a stripjoint. i mean, and he was like, oh, right, 0k and there— mean, and he was like, oh, right, 0k and there were tinges of a but yes you are _ and there were tinges of a but yes you are right there is a lot of optimism _ you are right there is a lot of optimism and there still is. i have been _ optimism and there still is. i have been absolutely inundated by mainly composed say 50—50 but a lot of black— composed say 50—50 but a lot of black people, a lot of black people in the _ black people, a lot of black people in the very. — black people, a lot of black people in the very, very high places, i'm really— in the very, very high places, i'm really surprised, thanking me for speaking — really surprised, thanking me for speaking out. that is not what i intended — speaking out. that is not what i intended to do. i'm just saying what i intended to do. i'm just saying what i see _ intended to do. i'm just saying what i see and _ intended to do. i'm just saying what i see. and people forget grenfell disaster. — i see. and people forget grenfell disaster, the block of flats that went _ disaster, the block of flats that went out — disaster, the block of flats that went out. meghan markle was there. notjust_ went out. meghan markle was there. notiust for— went out. meghan markle was there. notjust for a photo went out. meghan markle was there. not just for a photo opportunity. they— not just for a photo opportunity. they in— not just for a photo opportunity. they in and day out, cooking alongside people of colour who were struggling, so she has always been a champion— struggling, so she has always been a champion and much of it very quietly so. champion and much of it very quietly so so— champion and much of it very quietly so so a _ champion and much of it very quietly so so a lot — champion and much of it very quietly so. so a lot of what you are saying is a lot _ so. so a lot of what you are saying is a lot of— so. so a lot of what you are saying is a lot of young people and a lot of black— is a lot of young people and a lot of black people who are actually quite _ of black people who are actually quite sick — of black people who are actually quite sick of the toxicity that surrounds a couple who are in their perception— surrounds a couple who are in their perception is a real, they get it wrong — perception is a real, they get it wrong sometimes come with a stuff up, wrong sometimes come with a stuff op. they— wrong sometimes come with a stuff up, they have family problems, but they kicked — up, they have family problems, but they kicked off an amazing mental health— they kicked off an amazing mental health initiative along with william and catherine and it seems very ironic— and catherine and it seems very ironic that— and catherine and it seems very ironic that all of this time that michaei— ironic that all of this time that michael and was suffering herself and cannot speak out. although they were launching mental health services _ were launching mental health services. —— meghan it was suffering herseif~ _ services. —— meghan it was suffering herseif~ 0" — services. -- meghan it was suffering herself. .. ., herself. on the face of it, the cueen herself. on the face of it, the queen comes _ herself. on the face of it, the queen comes out _ herself. on the face of it, the queen comes out of - herself. on the face of it, the queen comes out of this - herself. on the face of it, the. queen comes out of this pretty herself. on the face of it, the - queen comes out of this pretty well. she talked warmly of the queen and how she enjoyed being intercompany. prince charles less so of course because of this very difficult relationship with harry. but the queen is the head of the family. she is the boss of the firm. does the bulk ultimately stop with her? —— does the buck. the bulk ultimately stop with her? -- does the buck.— bulk ultimately stop with her? -- does the buck. ,, , ' :: , ., , does the buck. the queen is 90 years old. ithinkthe _ does the buck. the queen is 90 years old. i think the meineke _ does the buck. the queen is 90 years old. i think the meineke is _ does the buck. the queen is 90 years old. i think the meineke is like - does the buck. the queen is 90 years old. i think the meineke is like a - old. i think the meineke is like a dinosaur— old. i think the meineke is like a dinosaurand old. i think the meineke is like a dinosaur and elevator as the american _ dinosaur and elevator as the american essay. they turn very siowiy~ — american essay. they turn very siowiy~ -- _ american essay. they turn very slowly. —— the monarchy is like a dinosaur — slowly. —— the monarchy is like a dinosaur as— slowly. —— the monarchy is like a dinosaur. as an institution, they have _ dinosaur. as an institution, they have this — dinosaur. as an institution, they have this benign, if you're jumping up have this benign, if you're jumping upand— have this benign, if you're jumping up and down and bare breasted and putting _ up and down and bare breasted and putting garlands around your neck, that is— putting garlands around your neck, that is the — putting garlands around your neck, that is the appearance, you are welcome, — that is the appearance, you are welcome, but how much further theirs a-o? welcome, but how much further theirs ago? and _ welcome, but how much further theirs ago? and individually, i'm sure they are very— ago? and individually, i'm sure they are very welcoming. i know they are. i are very welcoming. i know they are. i have _ are very welcoming. i know they are. i have ireen— are very welcoming. i know they are. i have been to lunch with charles and camilla many years ago. they are on individual— and camilla many years ago. they are on individual basis. but it is not 'ust on individual basis. but it is not just the — on individual basis. but it is not just the royal family. there are the ports— just the royal family. there are the ports are _ just the royal family. there are the ports are the leading partiers, yes-men _ ports are the leading partiers, yes—men if anybody remembers that programme camejo machinery, the queen— programme camejo machinery, the queeniust — programme camejo machinery, the queenjust doesn't get up programme camejo machinery, the queen just doesn't get up and programme camejo machinery, the queenjust doesn't get up and decide to do something, i really don't believe — to do something, i really don't believe that. there mechanisms and machineries and i thought it was very interesting in the cbs interview this morning when harry was talking about this weird symbiotic relationship between tabloids and the monarchy, like fear _ tabloids and the monarchy, like fear i_ tabloids and the monarchy, like fear. . ., ., , ., ., fear. i heard that. i was going to ick u- fear. i heard that. i was going to pick up on _ fear. i heard that. i was going to pick up on that _ fear. i heard that. i was going to pick up on that point. _ fear. i heard that. i was going to pick up on that point. i - fear. i heard that. i was going to pick up on that point. ijust - pick up on that point. ijust wondered in one sense if there was a bit of a culture clash or in another sense and that the royal family is a section in the spotlight, something written about the royal family every day that they respond to every bit of title title in the press, they would forever be responding. more than that, it is a hierarchy constructor devoted principally to the line of the throne. i wonder if some of the lesser royals don't fully understand that it is wholly about the queen and if they have a problem, the household is indifferent for that reason. i problem, the household is indifferent for that reason. i think the household _ indifferent for that reason. i think the household is _ indifferent for that reason. i think the household is indifferent - indifferent for that reason. i think i the household is indifferent because the household is indifferent because the just— the household is indifferent because the just doesn't understand it. it is archaic — the just doesn't understand it. it is archaic. meghan came from a very independent place. she says her stuff _ independent place. she says her stuff in — independent place. she says her stuff in the interview she worked all her— stuff in the interview she worked all her life. she looked after herseif~ _ all her life. she looked after herself. she has climbed up the ladder— herself. she has climbed up the ladder herself and got her own voice — ladder herself and got her own voice. and i think there was a mistake — voice. and i think there was a mistake on— voice. and i think there was a mistake on the behalf of the palace and probably meghan an innocent mistake _ and probably meghan an innocent mistake that red if you can deal with hollywood come you can deal with hollywood come you can deal with the _ with hollywood come you can deal with the limelight. not fair. it doesn't — with the limelight. not fair. it doesn't translate. hollywood and his llitz doesn't translate. hollywood and his giitz and _ doesn't translate. hollywood and his glitz and glamour as it is nothing like the — glitz and glamour as it is nothing like the royal family. you bark at somebody— like the royal family. you bark at somebody and everybodyjumps. with the royal _ somebody and everybodyjumps. with the royal family, you whisper something in 1000 times and somebody will something in1000 times and somebody will say— something in1000 times and somebody will say yes— something in 1000 times and somebody will say yes mum and probably not -et will say yes mum and probably not get it— will say yes mum and probably not get it done. —— yes ma'am. it is very— get it done. —— yes ma'am. it is very different. get it done. -- yes ma'am. it is very different.— get it done. -- yes ma'am. it is very different. good point. lovely to talk to you — very different. good point. lovely to talk to you. thank _ very different. good point. lovely to talk to you. thank you - very different. good point. lovely to talk to you. thank you for - to talk to you. thank you for joining us. to talk to you. thank you for joining us— meghan makes that point at the beginning of the interview with 0prah beginning of the interview with oprah winfrey. 0prah asked her did you do any research and she said no i didn't because i thought i understood celebrity. she came from hollywood where the celebrities are falling out of trees and i thought thatis falling out of trees and i thought that is what the royal family would be. they were just printed celebrities. and then she got there and realised that it was very different. this was recorded... there are rules or hierarchies. this was recorded before the allegations came up last week about the way she treated her staff so i haven't seen it yet, but she wasn't asked about any of the questions of her behaviour towards her staff presumably. not in that interview that i heard. it was recorded over several days. cbs the ed dickson ordinaryjob of keeping it completely under wraps until he came out. —— sent a extraordinaryjob of keeping it under wraps. that is why it was only to anyway. but it is not met my husband and daughter were watching it and they are interested in the royal family per watching it and they are interested in the royalfamily per se, and it was riveting television. royals aside, a gripping interview that 0prah conducted. you'll have to catch later tonight. i want to see how it lands here. very interesting to see what the reaction is. let's get some of the day's other news. the number of coronavirus—related deaths in italy has exceeded 100,000. it's the seventh country in the world to suprass this number. italy has been one of the worst affected countries by the pandemic. in an effort to reduce the infection rate, the country recently approved the astrazeneca vaccine for the over 65s. a supreme courtjudge in brazil has annulled the criminal convictions against former president lula da silva. it clears his way to run in next year's election. his political rights were suspended and he was barred from running for office in 2018 when he was imprisoned for corruption. 98 people are now known to have been killed and more than 600 others injured in a series of explosions at a military camp in equatorial guinea on sunday. state media said three young children have been rescued from the rubble of flattened buildings. for those watching on bbc world news — we'll be right back. police in london searching for missing 33—year—old sarah everard have given another update this afternoon. scotland yard say they remain "open—minded as to all possibilities" over ms everard's disappearance. but they say it is still a missing person investigation. ms everard hasn't been seen since wednesday evening when she left a friend's house in clapham. the last sighting was at about nine—thrity. detective chief inspector katherine goodwin is leading the investigation. we continue to search the area. anyone around the area where she disappeared from may notice a lot of police activity as we continue our searches. in terms of the investigation, we've drafted in specialist officers from across the met and continue to work on every line of inquiry possible. i want to thank the members of the public across london and outside who have come forward with information and continue to pass information to us through the incident room. we are all looking to try and find sarah as quickly as possible. thank you. the 27 million americans who have already had their coronavirus vaccine were given the green light today to return to something resembling normal life. the centre for disease control has relaxed its guidance for people who've had the jabs. and because covid instructions seem to cry out for cartoons, there's this nifty graphic. vaccinated households and can get together, in doors, no masks. it would seem you can even enjoy three bowls of soup. 0r vaccinated people can meet unvaccinated people, so long as they are young and relatively low risk. and here is what a vaccinated person should do if meeting people who are not vaccinated, and could be high risk. the masks stay on and the windows are open. 0n the upside — they get burgers. quite a lot of freedom. in fact, much more freedom than we have here in the uk. if you've had a jab here you still have to stick to the coronavirus rules. and only today did we take our first tentative step towards some normality. the prime minister was asked in mind of the improving picture here — whether he might consider accelerating the timeline. of course i understand the urgency that people feel, but we have to be driven by the data. we have to look at the rates of infection. don't forget, they are still very high by the standards of last year. we still have thousands of people in hospital with covid—19. and we have seen, alas in other european countries, that the curve is going up again. and we remember frankly what happened every time we have seen those upward curves in our friends and neighbours that it is not too long after that that we see an increase in this country as well. there was really encouraging piece of news today from the uk's 0ffice of national statistics. latest research suggests that a massive 94% of adults have either had the vaccine or would be likely to take it. let's talk to linda bauld — professor of public health at the university of edinburgh. lovely to see you. remarkable. 94%. it's been taking upwards. what do you put that down to?— it's been taking upwards. what do you put that down to? interesting in the asti you put that down to? interesting in the past i have _ you put that down to? interesting in the past i have worked _ you put that down to? interesting in the past i have worked in _ you put that down to? interesting in the past i have worked in other - the past i have worked in other public— the past i have worked in other public health topics, christian, what _ public health topics, christian, what we — public health topics, christian, what we have seen when intervention is introduced, the confidence in that building, people see media stories— that building, people see media stories to — that building, people see media stories to show the people are taking — stories to show the people are taking up— stories to show the people are taking up a vaccine or complying with new— taking up a vaccine or complying with new guidance, and people are enthusiastic about it and also early evidence _ enthusiastic about it and also early evidence that things work. we have seen some — evidence that things work. we have seen some really important studies in the _ seen some really important studies in the uk _ seen some really important studies in the uk over the last couple weeks showing _ in the uk over the last couple weeks showing the vaccine is reducing the risk of— showing the vaccine is reducing the risk of hospitalisations and even reduction — risk of hospitalisations and even reduction in mortality among so the people _ reduction in mortality among so the people who have been vaccinated. it is not _ people who have been vaccinated. it is not surprising to me that there is not surprising to me that there is more _ is not surprising to me that there is more enthusiasm now but i think when _ is more enthusiasm now but i think when you _ is more enthusiasm now but i think when you we need to look carefully in the _ when you we need to look carefully in the future at the age groups because — in the future at the age groups because of monks youngest adults, we may still— because of monks youngest adults, we may still see some reluctance to take it _ may still see some reluctance to take it up — may still see some reluctance to take it up because it is not necessarily an immediate threat that they perceive to themselves. i�*m they perceive to themselves. i'm struck by the _ they perceive to themselves. i“n struck by the difference in tone between this side in the united states was that we have 65 deaths here in july states was that we have 65 deaths here injuly hours. it is always lower on a monday but around the same level of texas where they are completely unlocking on wednesday. people will look at the cdc rules today and say that we need some guidance like that? i today and say that we need some guidance like that?— guidance like that? i think that issue. guidance like that? i think that issue- the _ guidance like that? i think that issue. the us _ guidance like that? i think that issue. the us is _ guidance like that? i think that issue. the us is such - guidance like that? i think that issue. the us is such large - guidance like that? i think that - issue. the us is such large complex country— issue. the us is such large complex country that — issue. the us is such large complex country that and you have devolved administrations and steaks making their own — administrations and steaks making their own decisions and maybe not always— their own decisions and maybe not always following the science to the same _ always following the science to the same extent, so it is important that that is— same extent, so it is important that that is consistent messaging to the public, _ that is consistent messaging to the public, and — that is consistent messaging to the public, and what i was saying about these _ public, and what i was saying about these new — public, and what i was saying about these new guidelines for the us, there _ these new guidelines for the us, there is— these new guidelines for the us, there is obviously a vaccine hasn't is the _ there is obviously a vaccine hasn't is the issue — there is obviously a vaccine hasn't is the issue in the us which is stronger— is the issue in the us which is stronger than the uk so by government saying to people you can behave _ government saying to people you can behave differently if you have been vaccinated, that might encourage others _ vaccinated, that might encourage others to— vaccinated, that might encourage others to take up a vaccine so i can understand — others to take up a vaccine so i can understand what they messaging is coming _ understand what they messaging is coming from even though the science to support _ coming from even though the science to support i _ coming from even though the science to support i think what they are advocating no mask and etc and mixing — advocating no mask and etc and mixing with other householders is not as— mixing with other householders is not as strong as we would wish. professor— not as strong as we would wish. professor come of this announcement from the cdc was definitely predicated by arguments from health officials saying quite vocally you have got to give people hope to say to them if you get the vaccine, you can kind of return to normal life. 0therwise can kind of return to normal life. otherwise they will say what is the point getting the vaccine if i can't return to normal life. the cdc is also saying we don't know whether people have been vaccinated can transmit, so there is a missing piece in the puzzle are they being a little cavalier? if they don't know if vaccinated people can transmit, surely vaccinated people have to carry on wearing mask social distancing?— carry on wearing mask social distancin ? . , , carry on wearing mask social distancin. ? ., , , ., distancing? that is the message that is more consistent _ distancing? that is the message that is more consistent internationally, i is more consistent internationally, that i_ is more consistent internationally, that i think— is more consistent internationally, that i think it is difficult to let out for— that i think it is difficult to let out for the font that we have a few important — out for the font that we have a few important studies that suggest there is reduce _ important studies that suggest there is reduce transmission for people who have — is reduce transmission for people who have been vaccinated, one from cambridge _ who have been vaccinated, one from cambridge last week and earlier from israei— cambridge last week and earlier from israel amongst health care workers showing _ israel amongst health care workers showing that people who have had swabs _ showing that people who have had swabs for — showing that people who have had swabs for infection from sarris cove to have _ swabs for infection from sarris cove to have far— swabs for infection from sarris cove to have far lower levels if they were _ to have far lower levels if they were vaccinated. that is promising but not _ were vaccinated. that is promising but not definitive evidence and let's _ but not definitive evidence and let's remember most of these are preprints, — let's remember most of these are preprints, not peer—reviewed. —— sars-cov-z _ preprints, not peer—reviewed. —— sars—cov—2. with authorities in the us are _ sars—cov—2. with authorities in the us are trying to do is way up different— us are trying to do is way up different harms, the harms from peopie _ different harms, the harms from people not taking up the vaccine, which _ people not taking up the vaccine, which is _ people not taking up the vaccine, which is a — people not taking up the vaccine, which is a slow recovery for the whole — which is a slow recovery for the whole country and also the harms were _ whole country and also the harms were thinking about what disease transmission will be. different things— transmission will be. different things to — transmission will be. different things to look at here but here in the uk, — things to look at here but here in the uk, the message still come more straightforward from a behavioural perspective, even if you have been vaccinated. — perspective, even if you have been vaccinated, you need to maintain the protective _ vaccinated, you need to maintain the protective behaviours the rest of us have been— protective behaviours the rest of us have been asked to adopt. professor, thank ou. i guess people here who are vaccinated are already still taking off their mask. they are already behaving the way they want to. never made the connection that if you don't give people hope. a seaside village in wales is reporting unusual sightings. in the midst of the coronavirus lockdown, the deserted streets of llandudno have been occupied by goats. mountain goats, who have swapped altitude — for attitude. first reported on this programme last year, they began with a slow, purposeful infiltration of the town centre. and now they have returned, they have taken the chippy, the barbers shops, a hotel, and now primark. who do they think they are? 15 of these now—famed goats were seen in the car park of primark on wednesday. even though nonessential shops are closed. this herd of kashmiri goats, a gift to lord mostyn of landudno from queen victoria, normally they spend their time on the high pastures of great 0rme. but not right now. not — when the town is at their mercy — and the smell of fish and chips is in the air. more fish and chips in fresh air. the smell of primark. may be. i do want a goatjust like that. a long—haired girl. i am obsessed by them. the second time featured on them. the second time featured on the programme. i keep seeing them on my timeline. that's a long hair to go to. we will keep watching. primark today. who knows where tomorrow? good evening. today brought sunshine for some, cloud and rain for others but for just about all of us the winds were relatively light, the calm before the storm. the winds were relatively light, look at this hook of cloud out in the atlantic. still a long way away from our shores but this weather system is being developed, it is being picked up and strengthened by a powerfuljet stream which is going to push it across the atlantic is quite a deep area of low pressure, so things in the middle part of this week are going to turn very wet and very windy. through wednesday night, into the early part of thursday, we could see some quite stormy weather in places. so, the rest of the week will bring spells of rain and some very strong winds. it is quiet in the short term, the winds stay light as we head through tonight. where we see clear skies, down towards the south, the midlands, south east wales, southern england, that is going to allow temperatures to drop away, may be —3 “i! celsius in some spots of the countryside. the north is not as cold, that's because there will be more in the way of cloud, that cloud producing some outbreaks of patchy rain and drizzle. some mist in places as well. as we start off tomorrow, it is still going to be quite calm out there, a lot of cloud, some spots of rain, some brightness, i think, down towards the south, but the winds will be strengthening out west later on as heavy rain approaches northern ireland and western scotland. those winds will continue to pick up into the evening, gusts of a0 to 50 mph in western areas, may be 60 to 70 mph in parts of north—west scotland, hence the met office yellow weather warning. as we move few tuesday night and into wednesday, this band of rain with strong winds will push its way south eastwards. it will try to clear, leaving some sunny conditions briefly but you can see rain is going to return from the south—west through the afternoon and with that the winds will start to pick up once again. wednesday night is set to be the windiest spell of the week as our deep area of low pressure approaches. notice a lot of white lines, a lot of isobars on this chart, there will be gales quite widely, yellow warning is already in force for england and wales, the potential for some disruption. those winds will only very slowly ease through thursday and friday and we will end the week with a mix of sunshine and heavy showers. you're watching bbc news. i'm katie katie in washington, christian fraser is in london —— caddy katty kay in washington. our top stories: in an interview with oprah winfrey, the duchess of sussex has said that a member of the royalfamily expressed concerns about how dark her child's skin would be. jury selection has been delayed in the case of an ex—minneapolis police officer accused of killing unarmed black man george floyd. also in the programme: us climate envoyjohn kerry arrives in london at the start of a multi—city european tour aimed at talking strategy ahead of a key climate conference in november. plus, how mount etna is the volcano that can't stop erupting — it's gone off no less than ten times in three weeks. anyone in the area of santa barbara, california last night may have felt a slight tremor in the ground, perhaps even a shift in the wind. and that's because a detonation went off in one of those grand mansions outside los angeles. in a two—hour interview with the us talk show host oprah winfrey, the duchess of sussex accused a member of the royal family of being racist towards her unborn child archie, openly discussing how dark the baby would be. today, 0prah said categorically that the royal in question was not the queen or prince philip. not only that, meghan suggested their son's dual heritage was behind their son's dual heritage was behind the decision not to make rga prince. —— archie a prince. so how does the royal family recover from an interview that many are comparing to princess diana's interview with the bbc in 1995? the man with the answers is charles anson. he was the queen's press officer from 1990—1997. and we spoke to him a little earlier. take us back to the morning after that interview aired. what was it like in the palace that day? well, let me take you back, actually, to watching the programme itself on that monday evening when, clearly, we knew that there was going to be some fairly earth—shattering things said but we didn't know what exactly was going to be said. but the very frank statements about the monarchy and about the way she felt she'd been treated and so on, we decided the next day — and at the queen's agreement — that we should say nothing whatsoever about the interview. the princess had said what she had to say. there was no point in taking issue with it publicly. the best thing was to sit down... do you think that will be the attitude after this interview? i think this could be rather different. i mean, that was a one—off interview. there wasn't going to be anything more. i think one wants to make sure in the situation now, in a slightly more open world — social media and the opportunities for stories to spread at the most lightning speed — i think you need to be a little bit more cautious in disaggregating bits of the story and then working out solutions to the things that you can resolve that are of public interest. is the complicating factor this time, charles, the issue of race, given the queen is the head of the commonwealth? i think the issue of race... i mean, clearly, one's got to take that very seriously, and it's obviously a matter of concern for the couple themselves, but in seven years that i worked at the palace, i never sensed any kind of bias in that respect. and obviously, in terms of the queen's position, it's unassailable that she's been head of the commonwealth from the day she became queen, and the commonwealth is really probably the greatest, biggest, most successful multiracial organisation in the world. there are 2 billion people that live under the commonwealth umbrella, so to speak, and the queen is a very popular, highly admired head of the commonwealth, and the commonwealth has now said that they would like prince charles to become head of the commonwealth when he becomes king. and there's no other organisation in the world that has quite that sort of spread. and that percolates down not only on the political front but the professional organisations — doctors, lawyers, etc. you couldn't make a case against the queen. it's been slightly surprising to me to hear other broadcasters — not the bbc — talk about the queen being a racist. she's not in any way. and i think there is a streak of racism in all our countries, but it tends to be individuals who are sort of active on social media. and they build up this kind of slightly false base of power, where in fact they're re—tweeting all the time. charles anson there, who was inside the palace for many years and knows how it works on occasions like this. let's head over to los angeles to get the latest stateside from the bbc�*s sophie long. i read today, sophie, that there was another two hours of this interview thatis another two hours of this interview that is still somewhere in the camera. what happens next? yeah, that's it, christian, _ camera. what happens next? yeah, that's it, christian, this _ camera. what happens next? yeah, that's it, christian, this was - camera. what happens next? yeah, that's it, christian, this was a - that's it, christian, this was a widely— that's it, christian, this was a widely trailed interview and we watched — widely trailed interview and we watched two hours of the last night, but he _ watched two hours of the last night, but he did _ watched two hours of the last night, but he did not stop there. 0prah but he did not stop there. oprah winfrey— but he did not stop there. oprah winfrey was live on the morning show this morning — winfrey was live on the morning show this morning and she told us more, not only— this morning and she told us more, not only do— this morning and she told us more, not only do we have more clips not included _ not only do we have more clips not included in — not only do we have more clips not included in last night positing interview, but also heard her tell us that— interview, but also heard her tell us that harry wanted her to clarify those _ us that harry wanted her to clarify those conversations about the colour of their— those conversations about the colour of their then unborn child plus masking — of their then unborn child plus masking were not had by the queen or prince _ masking were not had by the queen or prince philip. she said prince harry had wanted — prince philip. she said prince harry had wanted him to clarify that but she did _ had wanted him to clarify that but she did not go any further than that, _ she did not go any further than that, so— she did not go any further than that, so certainly, will there be more? — that, so certainly, will there be more? they have certainly left enough — more? they have certainly left enough onset and there's a huge amount— enough onset and there's a huge amount of— enough onset and there's a huge amount of speculation now, turning it into _ amount of speculation now, turning it into a _ amount of speculation now, turning it into a guessing game as to who was buying — it into a guessing game as to who was buying those conversations. —— behind _ was buying those conversations. —— behind this— was buying those conversations. —— behind this conversation. there was a lot more _ behind this conversation. there was a lot more sympathy for the couple with a _ a lot more sympathy for the couple with a said — a lot more sympathy for the couple with a said then in the united kingdom _ with a said then in the united kingdom for tub in britain, they are broadcasting that right now, so they will like _ broadcasting that right now, so they will like what we watched last night, — will like what we watched last night, but here i think there was a human— night, but here i think there was a human of— night, but here i think there was a human of simile for the couple come both in— human of simile for the couple come both in terms of what they reveal about _ both in terms of what they reveal about the — both in terms of what they reveal about the impact on their mental health. _ about the impact on their mental health, making —— meghan saying she actually considered suicide, and there's been coverage _ considered suicide, and there's been coverage of— considered suicide, and there's been coverage of that today, people talk about _ coverage of that today, people talk about what courage it took to seek help even — about what courage it took to seek help even though she was denied it, and the _ help even though she was denied it, and the other is race. again, when we heard _ and the other is race. again, when we heard from oprah winfrey this morning. — we heard from oprah winfrey this morning, we heard more clips not included _ morning, we heard more clips not included in — morning, we heard more clips not included in the interview last night emma _ included in the interview last night emma and — included in the interview last night emma and we heard meghan but how there'd _ emma and we heard meghan but how there'd been stories about kate and there'd been stories about kate and the british— there'd been stories about kate and the british press as well, that were rude about — the british press as well, that were rude about her, but she said the difference, — rude about her, but she said the difference, there's a big difference between _ difference, there's a big difference between rudeness and racism, nothing that is— between rudeness and racism, nothing that is the _ between rudeness and racism, nothing that is the real difference here and that is the real difference here and that is— that is the real difference here and that is what resonated with a long peopie _ that is what resonated with a long people who watched it in america last night— people who watched it in america last night —— and i think that is what — last night -- and i think that is what. ~ ., last night -- and i think that is what. ,, ., ., , ., , what. do we know what their plans are now, what. do we know what their plans are now. short _ what. do we know what their plans are now, short and _ what. do we know what their plans are now, short and long-term? - what. do we know what their plans | are now, short and long-term? are are now, short and long—term? are they going to carry on with the interviews, talking about their time interviews, talking about their time in the palace? is that it and what are their long—term plans as far as we know in santa barbara? brute are their long-term plans as far as we know in santa barbara?- are their long-term plans as far as we know in santa barbara? we did not hear hue we know in santa barbara? we did not hear huge amount _ we know in santa barbara? we did not hear huge amount about _ we know in santa barbara? we did not hear huge amount about their- hear huge amount about their long—term plans, 0prah hear huge amount about their long—term plans, oprah winfrey enter question— long—term plans, oprah winfrey enter question did touch on their deals with streamers, bay—side most million—dollar deals with streamers, and she _ million—dollar deals with streamers, and she said when she asked him about— and she said when she asked him about that, — and she said when she asked him about that, some people might call you money—grubbing royals, harry said that _ you money—grubbing royals, harry said that was not part of the original— said that was not part of the original plan. it may now be part of the long—term plan for b said that idea was— the long—term plan for b said that idea was suggested to them by a friend _ idea was suggested to them by a friend of— idea was suggested to them by a friend of theirs during the pandemic and they— friend of theirs during the pandemic and they thought that would be a good _ and they thought that would be a good idea, he was talking about how he was _ good idea, he was talking about how he was cut— good idea, he was talking about how he was cut off financially by his family— he was cut off financially by his family and had he not had the inheritance from his mother diana, they would — inheritance from his mother diana, they would not have been up to provide — they would not have been up to provide secured for their family, so they did _ provide secured for their family, so they did touch on the planes they have _ they did touch on the planes they have in— they did touch on the planes they have in terms of their career and also _ have in terms of their career and also we — have in terms of their career and also we heard amongst all the jaw—dropping revelations some happy things. _ jaw—dropping revelations some happy things, like for example they are expecting — things, like for example they are expecting a baby girl, we now know tub which _ expecting a baby girl, we now know tub which is — expecting a baby girl, we now know tub which is due to be born in the summer. — tub which is due to be born in the summer, and also it was good for many— summer, and also it was good for many americans, particularly, to hear— many americans, particularly, to hear about— many americans, particularly, to hear about harry talking about how hear about harry talking about how he now _ hear about harry talking about how he now has— hear about harry talking about how he now has a freedom and he is able to offer— he now has a freedom and he is able to offer archie the freedom he never had as— to offer archie the freedom he never had as a _ to offer archie the freedom he never had as a child and talked about how one of— had as a child and talked about how one of his _ had as a child and talked about how one of his favourite things to do at the moment is to shop archie into the moment is to shop archie into the seat _ the moment is to shop archie into the seat on — the moment is to shop archie into the seat on the back of his bike, go for bike _ the seat on the back of his bike, go for bike rides, go on hikes, go to the beach— for bike rides, go on hikes, go to the beach and how much they're enjoying — the beach and how much they're enjoying open space that particularly is important during the pandemic — particularly is important during the pandemic. a lot of questions asked. when _ pandemic. a lot of questions asked. when they— pandemic. a lot of questions asked. when they said they moved to united states— when they said they moved to united states because of the intrusion in their— states because of the intrusion in their lives— states because of the intrusion in their lives from the british press, why are _ their lives from the british press, why are they sitting down with the woman— why are they sitting down with the woman known as the queen of american television? _ woman known as the queen of american television? they could not get a bigger— television? they could not get a bigger audience come up more than 17 million _ bigger audience come up more than 17 million people tuned in last night, many— million people tuned in last night, many millions more tonight in the uk, so _ many millions more tonight in the uk, so there were questions this morning — uk, so there were questions this morning again about what the difference is between privacy and intrusion~~~ — difference is between privacy and intrusion... | difference is between privacy and intrusion- - -_ difference is between privacy and intrusion... i was going to ask you about those _ intrusion... i was going to ask you about those viewer _ intrusion... i was going to ask you about those viewer figures, - intrusion... i was going to ask you i about those viewer figures, sophie, because 17 million sounds like a lot, but in the context of the united states, exactly not that big, is it? when you compare it to 62 million for michaeljackson, 0prah's interview with michaeljackson, 62 million, anderson cooper got 21 million, anderson cooper got 21 million for an interview with stormie daniels, diane sawyer�*s 2015 sit down with caitlinjenner... we have to see the consolidated figures, but i listen to the american network saying, they are our royalfamily, ijust american network saying, they are our royal family, ijust wonder whether that popularity does translate across the country. i translate across the country. i mean, those are the initial data from _ mean, those are the initial data from more _ mean, those are the initial data from more than 70 million. those figures _ from more than 70 million. those figures will — from more than 70 million. those figures will be collated tomorrow. that does — figures will be collated tomorrow. that does not include on—demand, peopie _ that does not include on—demand, peopie witt— that does not include on—demand, people will watch it after the interview was first broadcast in a but i _ interview was first broadcast in a but i think— interview was first broadcast in a but i think it is a huge number, christian. — but i think it is a huge number, christian, when you think it was many— christian, when you think it was many more _ christian, when you think it was many more than watch the golden globes. _ many more than watch the golden globes, the emmys, more than watch the inauguration of president biden, so it is— the inauguration of president biden, so it is one — the inauguration of president biden, so it is one of the biggest audiences for a non—sporting event, certainty— audiences for a non—sporting event, certainly in — audiences for a non—sporting event, certainly in this television season, so it was— certainly in this television season, so it was a — certainly in this television season, so it was a huge audience and that will be _ so it was a huge audience and that will be added to once we get those figures _ will be added to once we get those figures coming in tomorrow in the days ahead. figures coming in tomorrow in the days ahead-— days ahead. looks lovely there in los angeles! _ days ahead. looks lovely there in los angeles! look _ days ahead. looks lovely there in los angeles! look at _ days ahead. looks lovely there in los angeles! look at that - days ahead. looks lovely there in los angeles! look at that lovely l los angeles! look at that lovely blue sky! i los angeles! look at that lovely blue s ! . . ., blue sky! iwatched it, i had complete — blue sky! iwatched it, i had complete house _ blue sky! iwatched it, i had complete house envy, - blue sky! i watched it, i had i complete house envy, because blue sky! i watched it, i had - complete house envy, because they sit in this gorgeous garden. we have got to take the whole show to california, moved to california. i california, moved to california. i will come and sit for an interview with you! will come and sit for an interview with ou! . ., , , with you! yeah, ok. yeah, because that would — with you! yeah, ok. yeah, because that would finance _ with you! yeah, ok. yeah, because that would finance our _ with you! yeah, ok. yeah, because that would finance our show. - with you! yeah, ok. yeah, becausej that would finance our show. would not... that would finance our show. would not- -- maybe _ that would finance our show. would not... maybe 1.7 _ that would finance our show. would not... maybe 1.7 people? _ that would finance our show. would not... maybe 1.7 people? or- that would finance our show. would not... maybe 1.7 people? or17 - not... maybe 1.7 people? or17 --eole! not... maybe 1.7 people? or17 people! my _ not... maybe 1.7 people? or17 people! my kids _ not... maybe 1.7 people? or17 people! my kids and _ not... maybe 1.7 people? or17 people! my kids and your - not... maybe 1.7 people? or17 people! my kids and your kids| not... maybe 1.7 people? or17| people! my kids and your kids - people! my kids and your kids — that's four, five, six. let's move on to something else. a judge has delayed jury selection in the case of an ex—minneapolis police officer accused of killing george floyd, an unarmed black man, last may. derek chauvin faces murder charges for kneeling on mr floyd's neck for over seven minutes, in a widely—viewed video that sparked protests worldwide. jury selection will now begin on tuesday at the earliest. a warning — this report by barbara plett usher contains distressing images. # we live all the time... # keep it straight, keep it raw. that's what they say in krump. in a time of raw emotions, this fantastically physical street dance is a cathartic release. krumping has helped them work through their anger and pain over george floyd's death, and it will help them deal with the trial of the man charged in the killing, derek chauvin. however, this trial is going to end will be really big, either on the bad side or the good side. and i believe that it shows us how much our government cares about us, or not. the graphic video of the white police officer pinning down the black man has made this perhaps the most famous prosecution of police brutality in us history. i can't breathe! nojustice! no peace! protests demanding racialjustice and police reform rolled across the country — peaceful by day, but sometimes violent by night. in minneapolis, there was extraordinary damage. elias has managed to restock the drugs in his pharmacy, but his business is still recovering. last year, he watched helplessly by security camera as it was ransacked. wow, what a mess. completely trashed ? yes. elias and his wife mawerdi had invested their lives and savings in the pharmacyjust eight months before the unrest. the trial, it kind of brings _ a nervousness and brings back some of the flashbacks, what happenedj in the past during the civil unrest. but at the same time, - we feel like it's probably part of a little bit of the price that we pay forjustice. i justice for george, the rallying cry that shaped a movement and is now facing a moment of reckoning. trials in police killings are rare, in a nation that seldom punishes cops for allegations of abusive behaviour. once again, minneapolis is in the national spotlight — this time, as a test case for the country on whether anything's changed about holding police officers to account for the way they use force and about attitudes towards racism and policing in america. barbara plett usher, bbc news, minneapolis. that killing has had a huge followed in the united states and around the world and, in fact. stay with us on bbc news. still to come: america's top climate official is in the uk pushing for stricter global limits on emission limits. it's a sharp turn from the prior administration's strategy and comes amid worrying new signs from the world's rainforests. for viewers here in the uk, let's return to that explosive interview with meghan and harry, the duke and duchess of sussex. it was broadcast in the united states overnight and is being broadcast in the uk, now on itv. labour are calling for a full investigation into any allegation of racism. there's been no official comment from buckingham palace. but our royal correspondent nicholas witchell gave us this update about the likely impact on the royal family and the lessons that could be learned. family members, one must suppose, will be hurt. officials i think will be shocked, even dumbfounded. they tried so hard to make this work. the idea that buckingham palace is full of fussy men in suits just is not correct. team sussex was hand—picked — their private secretary an australian woman, communications secretary an american man, followed then by an american woman. they wanted this to work, they wanted to be able to show that the palace has learned the lessons of diana from 25 years ago. it didn't work, and we have this curious inversion of meghan's personality — from a strong, independent woman, as she undoubtedly is, to a broken woman, as she tells the whole story, who had to escape. undoubtedly, this underlines that one of the great challenges that the palace faces is the assimilation of outsiders who marry into the royal family. we've seen diana, sarah ferguson and now meghan. now, there have been successes — kate middleton most notably, the countess of wessex also, sophie rhstones, as she used to be. the palace will want to learn lessons, but i cannot see the central members of the family feeling that they should retreat from the central principle that in the positions of great privilege that they occupy, they have an absolute obligation to do their duty and to put that first. finally, on a lighter note — it wasn't in my report — harry and meghan disclosed that their baby is a girl, to be born in the summer. president biden tells us that from now on, the us will lead by the power of its example, rather than the example of its power. but later this year, that lofty rhetoric will be tested. in november, glasgow will host the cop26 climate conference — and the world's eyes will be on the us for the commitments it makes on cutting its own greenhouse gas emissions. as part of the us�*s diplomatic push ahead of that conference, joe biden's climate envoyjohn kerry is this week visiting european capitals. and today he met with borisjohnson here in london, where the pair have begun talking strategy. in an interview with bbc newsnight, john kerry said glasgow's agreement must go even further than the paris accord the us pulled out of during the trump administration. there's no question. the united states has been absent from this effort for the last four years, at least as a federal government, even as states and mayors continued to stick by paris. but the problem, emily, is if every country— but the problem, emily, is if every country agreed to do what they agreed — country agreed to do what they agreed in — country agreed to do what they agreed in the paris agreement, which they do— agreed in the paris agreement, which they do not. — agreed in the paris agreement, which they do not, you would still see a rise in— they do not, you would still see a rise in the — they do not, you would still see a rise in the earth's temperature. catastrophic. rise in the earth's temperature. catastrophic-— but in order for the glasgow climate conference to be a success, countries around the world are going to have to make even more ambitious commitments. take rainforests. new data out today reveals that two—thirds of the world's original tropical forest cover has been destroyed or degraded entirely. that's pretty depressing, isn't it? and that is a problem if you're worried about climate change. the amazon — which you see here — absorbs two billion tonnes of c02 each year from the atmosphere. that's the equivalent to 5% of our annual emissions of the gas. dr erin mccrellis is a conservation scientist with the rainforest trust. shejoins us now from oregon. dr, could you have you with us. the most depressing to cystic i looked at today is that if football fields worth of forest finishes every six seconds —— the most depressing statistic i looked at. seconds -- the most depressing statistic i looked at.— seconds -- the most depressing statistic i looked at. statistici looked at. indeed. it is a frightening _ statistici looked at. indeed. it is a frightening statistic _ statistici looked at. indeed. it is a frightening statistic and - statistici looked at. indeed. it is a frightening statistic and it - statistici looked at. indeed. it is a frightening statistic and it has l a frightening statistic and it has major— a frightening statistic and it has major implications for the health of the world _ major implications for the health of the world and for all of us who live here _ the world and for all of us who live here. ., , . ., , ., here. how so? what is it the rain forest do we _ here. how so? what is it the rain forest do we need _ here. how so? what is it the rain forest do we need to _ here. how so? what is it the rain forest do we need to bear- here. how so? what is it the rain forest do we need to bear in - here. how so? what is it the rain i forest do we need to bear in mind? rain forests play a role in sequestering oxygen from the esther and storing it. as long as the rain forest _ and storing it. as long as the rain forest remains intact, the carbon remains — forest remains intact, the carbon remains out of the atmosphere, but if the _ remains out of the atmosphere, but if the force — remains out of the atmosphere, but if the force destroyed, that would to sequester carbon goes away and it is released _ to sequester carbon goes away and it is released into the atmosphere, purser— is released into the atmosphere, purser leading to climate change. 74% of _ purser leading to climate change. 74% of the — purser leading to climate change. 74% of the rain force we have left is in the amazon, up in venezuela, and in is in the amazon, up in venezuela, and , ., is in the amazon, up in venezuela, and ,., .,, is in the amazon, up in venezuela, and ., , and in peru, so those are very poor countries- — and in peru, so those are very poor countries. they _ and in peru, so those are very poor countries. they are _ and in peru, so those are very poor countries. they are going - and in peru, so those are very poor countries. they are going to - and in peru, so those are very poor countries. they are going to gather here in glasgow, they're going to talk strategy, but how do you achieve what you want to achieve if you do not provide support to those poorest countries?— poorest countries? that's a very aood poorest countries? that's a very good question- _ poorest countries? that's a very good question. one _ poorest countries? that's a very good question. one thing - poorest countries? that's a very good question. one thing to - poorest countries? that's a very. good question. one thing to keep poorest countries? that's a very - good question. one thing to keep in mind good question. 0ne thing to keep in mind is— good question. one thing to keep in mind is that — good question. one thing to keep in mind is that the economic benefits of deforestation, particular cutting down _ of deforestation, particular cutting down forests for agriculture, are short—lived, so deforestation leads to erosion— short—lived, so deforestation leads to erosion and it actually changes the iocai— to erosion and it actually changes the local climates in a way that makes — the local climates in a way that makes lands less productive, so in the long _ makes lands less productive, so in the long term, deforestation actually— the long term, deforestation actually may not have great economic benefits _ actually may not have great economic benefits. it's also important to remember that the economic and if it's from _ remember that the economic and if it's from deforestation may not go to the _ it's from deforestation may not go to the people that live in and depend — to the people that live in and depend on the resources of the rain forest. _ depend on the resources of the rain forest. so _ depend on the resources of the rain forest, so there are human rights issues _ forest, so there are human rights issues to— forest, so there are human rights issues to consider as well. two thirds, we _ issues to consider as well. two thirds, we have _ issues to consider as well. two thirds, we have got _ issues to consider as well. two thirds, we have got it - issues to consider as well. iii-w7 thirds, we have got it up there on the screen come of the world's rain forests have now gone. do you think, dr mccrellis, there's any chance that we can get them back? i believe, first of all, the good news of it is— believe, first of all, the good news of it is that — believe, first of all, the good news of it is that we have the resources and the _ of it is that we have the resources and the ability to conserve that remaining. where i work, we work closely— remaining. where i work, we work closely with — remaining. where i work, we work closely with local partners and communities to establish long—term protected _ communities to establish long—term protected areas that protect and reinforce — protected areas that protect and reinforce habitats in perpetuity. there _ reinforce habitats in perpetuity. there also reforestation initiatives come _ there also reforestation initiatives come or— there also reforestation initiatives come or we can naturally trying get back some — come or we can naturally trying get back some of the —— where we can try and get _ back some of the —— where we can try and get back— back some of the —— where we can try and get back some of the forest loss _ and get back some of the forest loss. . , , .,, .,, and get back some of the forest loss. . , , ., , ., , ., and get back some of the forest loss. ., , , .,, .,, ., , loss. party problem, as we have seen in brazil, loss. party problem, as we have seen in brazil. we've _ loss. party problem, as we have seen in brazil, we've reported _ loss. party problem, as we have seen in brazil, we've reported on _ loss. party problem, as we have seen in brazil, we've reported on it- loss. party problem, as we have seen in brazil, we've reported on it a - in brazil, we've reported on it a lot on this programme over the last couple of years, a huge amount of forest burning going on. and it's been sanctioned byjair forest burning going on. and it's been sanctioned by jair bolsonaro, the president of brazil. when you have one person in power who is prepared to sacrifice the rain force, or at least not protect them, how much damage can be done in a short amount of time? that how much damage can be done in a short amount of time?— how much damage can be done in a short amount of time? at your mendis amount of damage _ short amount of time? at your mendis amount of damage can _ short amount of time? at your mendis amount of damage can be _ short amount of time? at your mendis amount of damage can be done - short amount of time? at your mendis amount of damage can be done in - short amount of time? at your mendis amount of damage can be done in a i amount of damage can be done in a short— amount of damage can be done in a short amount of time —— a tremendous amount _ short amount of time —— a tremendous amount i_ short amount of time —— a tremendous amount. i mentioned reforestation efforts _ amount. i mentioned reforestation efforts. that may or may not be possible — efforts. that may or may not be possible in _ efforts. that may or may not be possible in many cases, so it is really— possible in many cases, so it is really important to do everything we can politically and financially to establish immediate conservation of the reinforce and prevent the kinds of things— the reinforce and prevent the kinds of things like wildfires that are leading — of things like wildfires that are leading to its destruction. and if we don't, leading to its destruction. and if we don't. if _ leading to its destruction. and if we don't, if we _ leading to its destruction. and if we don't, if we carry _ leading to its destruction. and if we don't, if we carry on - leading to its destruction. and if we don't, if we carry on losing i leading to its destruction. and if i we don't, if we carry on losing our rain forests at the speed that we have been doing, over the past decade, what happens then? climate chance decade, what happens then? climate chan . e will decade, what happens then? climate change will get _ decade, what happens then? climate change will get worse, _ decade, what happens then? climate change will get worse, many - decade, what happens then? climate change will get worse, many species | change will get worse, many species will lose _ change will get worse, many species will lose their homes and go extinct and the _ will lose their homes and go extinct and the life of human beings who depend _ and the life of human beings who depend on healthy ecosystems will be degraded _ depend on healthy ecosystems will be degraded as well, things like clean water— degraded as well, things like clean water will— degraded as well, things like clean water will be less available to humans _ water will be less available to humans. dr water will be less available to humans. , ~ . , water will be less available to humans. , a , ., ., water will be less available to humans. , a , ., humans. dr erin mccrellis, good to net humans. dr erin mccrellis, good to let our humans. dr erin mccrellis, good to get your thoughts. _ humans. dr erin mccrellis, good to get your thoughts. thank - humans. dr erin mccrellis, good to get your thoughts. thank you - humans. dr erin mccrellis, good to get your thoughts. thank you very | get your thoughts. thank you very much forjoining us from oregon. could have ended on a cheerful note there, but it is dramatic, the speed at which the forests are going. i am aood to at which the forests are going. i am good to say — at which the forests are going. i am good to say what — at which the forests are going. i am good to say what some _ at which the forests are going. i —n good to say what some of our viewers will say, we focused tonight on meghan and harry come social issues being discussed and we focus on stimulus packages and we focus on covid, and this is the biggest disaster we are facing. and it is a ticking time bomb. you listen to some of those figures and how quickly it is happening and he short period of time we have left, and the fact in america, where you are, half the country has to be reconciled to the country has to be reconciled to the problem we face — in enormous challenges — and you've heard why it is not top of the bulletin, don't you? but there we are. band is not top of the bulletin, don't you? but there we are.- is not top of the bulletin, don't you? but there we are. and it is a ve hard you? but there we are. and it is a very hard want — you? but there we are. and it is a very hard want to _ you? but there we are. and it is a very hard want to communicate i you? but there we are. and it is a i very hard want to communicate every time. now, we'vejust got time to bring you one of the day's hottest stories. literally. mount etna, the tallest volcano in europe, is erupting for the tenth time in just three weeks. yeah, it is a very trigger—happy volcano, incessantly? there it is. ash —— in sicily. it is spewing outjets of ash and molten lava more than ten kilometres into the sky — plumes so large that they are visible from space. the ash and smoke its ejecting is raining down on the entirety of sicily�*s eastern coast. at least eight villages were pelted with tiny rocks ejected from the volcano. amazing. i remember those pictures of that volcano from iceland and when travel was stopped because the volcanic ash was spewing around the world, and you wonder, you can see how that kind of thing can happen. just so long as it is that one and not the one of the road in vesuvius, yeah? because when that one goes, we will really know about it. i remember doing my report from italy. forget travel in europe when that one goes. forget travel in europe when that one noes. , ., , forget travel in europe when that one noes. , .,, ., , , one goes. the people in naples will be watching- _ one goes. the people in naples will be watching. we _ one goes. the people in naples will be watching. we will _ one goes. the people in naples will be watching. we will see _ one goes. the people in naples will be watching. we will see you - one goes. the people in naples will be watching. we will see you back. be watching. we will see you back here tomorrow.— here tomorrow. thanks for your company- _ here tomorrow. thanks for your company- see _ here tomorrow. thanks for your company. see you _ here tomorrow. thanks for your company. see you back - here tomorrow. thanks for your company. see you back here i here tomorrow. thanks for your - company. see you back here tomorrow. hello there. monday was the calm before the storm. yes, some of us saw rain, others got some sunshine, but the winds were relatively light. that is set to change. 0n the satellite picture, you can see this hook of cloud across the other side of the atlantic, a weather system that is being picked up by a strong and powerfuljet stream, turning it into a deep area of low pressure, and that is heading in our direction. it's going to bring some very, very strong winds, particularly during wednesday night into and thursday. so, the weather set to turn a lot livelier with spells of rain and some of those very strong winds in the forecast. tuesday, though, starts off on a relatively quiet note. a frost in the south with clear skies, more cloud further north, the odd spot of rain with that. but as we go through the day, we'll see thicker cloud bringing heavier rain into northern ireland and western scotland. it is going to be pretty mild out there — 9 to 12 degrees — but the winds will be strengthening across these western areas with gusts of a0 to 50, maybe 60 or 70 mph in parts of northwest scotland late in the day, hence that met office yellow warning. now, as we head through tuesday night, this band of rain and brisk winds will stagger further southeastwards. some clearer spells following on behind with some wintry showers into the northwest. but wednesday is going to bring some pretty wet weather to start off across parts of england and wales as this frontal system moves through. but instead of clearing away, this front actually bends back out into the atlantic. rain will return with increasingly strong winds. so, perhaps a brief window of calmer weather with some sunshine. still some wintry showers across scotland, but here comes our next brush of wet weather from the southwest, and with that, the winds will be strengthening once again. this is where we see our really deep area of low pressure pushing through. during wednesday night into thursday, a lot of white lines on this chart, a lot of isobars. there will be gales. already met office yellow warnings enforced for england and wales, but these are the kind of wind gusts we can expect through the early part of thursday morning. gusts of 60 miles per hour or more in the south, but even for northern ireland and scotland, it's going to be pretty windy as well. those winds may ease a little through the day on thursday, but it will stay blustery out there. we'll see some spells of sunshine, some showers as well, which could contain some hail. maybe some wintriness over higher ground because the air following on into the uk will not be particularly warm, and that continues on into friday. low pressure to the north, not as stormy by this stage, but still quite blustery. plenty of showers in the flow and a westerly wind bringing some relatively chilly air in our direction. there will be some spells of sunshine around, perhaps the best of that across eastern areas with some shelter. plentiful showers with some hail, maybe some wintriness, the odd rumble of thunder. temperatures between seven and 10 degrees. very similar weather on saturday. showers or longer spells of rain with some sleet and some hail mixing in. equally, some spells of sunshine and those temperatures by this stage down in single digits forjust about all of us. now, as we head through sunday and into next week, it looks like things are going to calm down. this area of high pressure is going to wobble its way northwards. it may be that we still see frontal systems for a time, but generally speaking, we can expect it to turn drier and calmer during next week. now and then, some stormy weather in the forecast. tonight at ten: the royal family is hit by allegations of racism and a lack of care in its dealings with the duchess of sussex. despite the joy of parenthood, the couple express their dismay and anger at the treatment which they say forced them to move abroad. in a us prime—time interview with oprah winfrey, the duchess claimed she'd faced questions from one royal about her baby's likely colour. so we have in tandem the conversation of he won't be given the security, he's not going to be given a title. and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he is born.

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