Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20240713

I was elected as first minister for a five year term and that is the term i intend to serve. Can i ask you to clarify post about them is to date the date you are sending the letter to the prime list . Yes. It will be going any time i should say, i dont know how much time you have had to read the document but it clearly says that today we are requesting the transfer of Power Production document is effectively the request and it will be sent by letter to the Prime Minister later on today. You said the prime list ignores the result of election after election. In 2014 scotland voted no to independence. Opinion polls, almost all of them can indicate there is a majority for staying in there is a majority for staying in the union. As well as you did at the election last week, 45 of the vote was behind you is it you that is ignoring result after result . Its not. Let me take the election result last week. People cannot have this both ways, we either accept the mandate and what constitutes a mandate and what constitutes a mandate in a first past the post election or we dont pollute the share of the vote won by the snp in scotla nd share of the vote won by the snp in scotland last thursday is higher than their share of the vote won by borisjohnson than their share of the vote won by Boris Johnson uk wide. Than their share of the vote won by borisjohnson uk wide. I dont hear anybody suggesting that he doesnt have a mandate to implement his ma nifesto. Have a mandate to implement his manifesto. I were to be say he does not have a mandate to take scotland out of the European Union. We also w011 out of the European Union. We also won 80 of the seat in scott, a significant higher percentage than the tories won across the uk. They fought this election on a single issue of opposition to an independence referendum and lost decisively. As i said in might remarks come by any normal standard democracy, that is a mandate that should be respected. On the 2014 point, i address that it my remarks andi point, i address that it my remarks and i think this takes us to a fundamental core point of the principle of Self Determination. If Self Determination can something that can only be sized once and people cannot exercise it again when circumstances change, that is by definition not democracy. Therefore it doesnt fulfil the criteria of we were told expressly that only by rejecting independence could we protect our eu membership. Fast forward a few years and within a matter of weeks, scotland will be taken out of the eu against our will. I accept i have the argument to make and to win, but i do not believe it isa and to win, but i do not believe it is a reasonable argument to say people in scotland should have the right to choose. I will take this question here. You may not like it when borisjohnson question here. You may not like it when Boris Johnson refuses question here. You may not like it when borisjohnson refuses your request for a referendum and you may use request for a referendum and you may use it to try and rally support for independence, but do you accept that there is nothing within your power that you can do to override his decision . No. Tell us what that is to do if that is your answer. |j decision . No. Tell us what that is to do if that is your answer. I am not going to seed the high ground that i believe a stand on here. Brian talked about impatience and suchlike. I won a mandate last week for the plan. People say what is your plan b . That is the question youre asking me. My plan a was put before the scottish electorate i won that election so i will, in a reasonable way, pursue plan a and i believe democracy will prevail. The longer the tories try to stay, stand in the way of democracy, the easier myjob to convince the people of scotla nd myjob to convince the people of scotland and the easier the case for independence becomes. What are you requesting today . Is this time limited transfer of power as we saw in 2014, or is this for a permanent change to a devilish and settlement . My preference is for that power to be transferred permanently, i dont think this would surprise anybody to hear anybody say, but president was for time limited transfer in 2014. That is something i am happy to discuss. Is there a draft the legislation in this document . Of course, it is my document. Im happy to discuss that, this is draft legislation, i am not saying i am not open to a discussion about the terms, but what is absolutely the principle i am arguing today is that that transfer of power can be done by a section 30 order as it was done in 2013, it can be done by a short act of parliament. So the means of doing it, iam parliament. So the means of doing it, i am open to discussing it around, and while my preference would be for the permit transfer, i am open to discussion about that and the terms we have put forward in the d raft the terms we have put forward in the draft of the legislation today. So i am not being unreasonable, i accept there is a process, just as i led there is a process, just as i led the latter stages of negotiation that culminated in the edinburgh agreement, a recognised that our discussions and negotiations and potential compromises that could be reached, but the principle of scotlands rate to dues as a fundamental point. And a quick follow up, you have asked the people to rally around your position. Follow up, you have asked the people to rally around your positionm they are all sitting at home nodding along quietly, borisjohnson is not going to be any the wiser, how do you want them to register and demonstrate that support . There are many ways in which people can make their views known and had been making their views known. People can sign up to petitions, they can take pa rt sign up to petitions, they can take part in peaceful demonstrations, they can, as they did last week, and this is retrospective, people responded last week and they can vote in elections. The tories lost more than half their seats last week on the cell argument that they wa nted on the cell argument that they wanted to pose an independence referendum. On the only argument. The tide of history, the momentum and the mandate is in the direction of scotla nd and the mandate is in the direction of scotland having its right to choose. The tories should learn from history and very recent history in terms of us week and further back history that their opposition and co nte m pt history that their opposition and contempt for scottish democracy really ends well for them and that will be the case this time. I have a sea of hands, spoiled for choice, paul. We are leaving the first minister of scotlands Nicola Sturgeon setting out her case for a second independence referendum and we will talk about it in the programme. Hello, its thursday, its just after 9 30, im Victoria Derbyshire and were live from new broadcasting house, on air slightly earlier. Because of the queens speech. President trump has become the third president in us history to be impeached, but hes not likely to be removed from office and he says its the democrats who are in the wrong. Theyre the ones that should be impeached, every one of them. Cheering well look at what it all means for his presidency. In a couple of hours, the queen will set out what the government plans to do in the year ahead, in the second state opening of parliament injust over two months. Meanwhile, the first minister of scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, says she wont be drawn on what shell do if borisjohnson blocks a second independence referendum in scotland. In her first ever interview, the mum of a 19 year old british woman who says she was raped while on holiday in cyprus and then forced to retract her statement, tells us she feel let down by the Foreign Office. And she couldnt believe what had happened when she spoke to her daughter. I had gone out and found my daughter to be in this terrible state after being raped. She was terrified that she had got hiv. She had been to the clinic several times and then she had been arrested. I was absolutely. I cant even explain how unbelievable it came across. You know, ijust literally couldnt believe it and it took lots of hours for that to properly sink in. And we meet nine year old drumming sensation nandi bushell. She drums hi, everyone. My names nandi, and i love playing the drums she drums hi. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 10. 30 this morning. If you are getting in touch can are very welcome, send an e mail or text us very welcome, send an e mail or text us and it will cost you the Standard Network rate. Donald trump has become the third president in American History to be impeached. It means therell be a trial in the senate, which will decide whether he remains in office. But that chamber is controlled by members of his party and it is unlikely to vote that he should be removed from office. The president has called the process an attempted coup and a witch hunt. Here are some of the key moments of the night. The yeas are 230. The nays are 197. Present is one. Article1 is adopted. I could not be prouder, or more inspired than by the moral courage of the house of democrats. We never asked one of them how they were going to vote. We never whipped this vote. We saw the vote. Well, you saw the public statements that some of them made. You saw the result when everyone else did. The statements on the floor about patriotism and about being very true to the vision of ourfounders. And so i view this day, this vote, as something that we did to honour the vision of our founders, to establish a republic. The sacrifice of our men and women in uniform to defend our democracy and that republic. And the aspirations of our children that they will always live in a democracy, and that we have tried to do everything we can to make sure that that is their reality. The president of the United States has been impeached, for now only the third time in history. The president of the United States should be tried. And the question is now whether senator mcconnell will allow a fair trial in the senate. Whether the majority leader will allow a trial that involves witnesses and testimony and documents. A trial that should be fair to the president , yes, but should be fair also to the american people. During the house debates, mr trump tweeted several times, calling the democratic arguments atrocious lies by the radical left and an assault on the republican party. And as voting took place he addressed supporters at a rally in michigan. So, yesterday, i sent pelosi a letter denouncing, condemning her part in this outrageous abuse of power. Thats what it is. They have nothing. Theyre the ones that should be impeached, every one of em. Cheering and here is what impeachment actually means. There are few actions as consequential as the impeachment of a president. Its not often a us president faces being kicked out of office. But this is the situation President Donald Trump finds himself in. Lets get back to basics. Theyve been trying to impeach me from the day i got elected. Ive been going through this for three years. Being impeached is when charges of wrongdoing are brought against a president by the Lower Chamber of the us congress, called the house of representatives. Im announcing the house of representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. Being impeached does not mean being removed from office, though. Thats a common mistake. For that to happen, the Upper Chamber of congress, the senate, would have to convict the president after a trial. Two president s have been impeached before, but none have ever been removed from the white house. This could be what happens to trump if he is impeached in the Lower Chamber of congress, which is controlled by democrats, but not convicted in the Upper Chamber, which is controlled by trumps own republican party. It all centres on whether trump sought help from ukraine to boost his chances of re election in the 2020 president ial election. How . By pressuring ukraines president to investigate one of his main democratic challengers, joe biden and his son, hunter. Hunter was on the board of a Ukrainian Company when his dad was us Vice President. You might have heard a lot about a whistle blower reporting a phone call which claimed to show this happened. That kicked everything off, but now the inquiry has gone much further. Public hearings have begun to hear evidence from officials about whether trump was essentially bribing ukraines president. My sole purpose is to provide facts, as i know them, about the incidents in question, as well as my views about the strategic importance of ukraine to the United States. President trump insists he didnt do anything wrong, and his defence comes in three parts. Firstly, he says there was nothing wrong with the phone call he held with ukraines president zelensky. Its perfect. The call was perfect. And he says when you take a look at the transcript released by the white house, it shows there was nothing that could be interpreted as bribery or extortion. There was no quid pro quo. Secondly, he says, president zelensky himself has stated publicly that he didnt feel any pressure. And you read it that nobody pushed me. There was no pressure. And thirdly, republicans insist its within a president s right to ask for an investigation into corruption, even in a foreign country, and even if it involves a political rival likejoe biden and his family. And to your knowledge, is there any factual basis to support those allegations . None whatsoever. When Vice President biden acted in ukraine, did he act in accordance with official us policy . He did. They say this whole impeachment process is a personal attack on the president. Lets talk to andre walker, a new York Observer columnist who supports President Trump and says the impeachment process is about political point scoring. And dr brian klaas is an assistant professor of Global Politics at University College london, and a trump critic. Welcome to both of you. First, this moment in history, the drama of this, how do you describe it . Well, i think there was a serious attempt to make it look sensible yesterday. We saw Speaker Nancy Pelosi shoeing people down when they were laughing and clapping and cheering and that is an attempt to make it look like a serious impeachment, even though it is not. This genuinely undermines the impeachment process. There is no charge of treason or bribery within this because the allegations, i think most people know to be false. In terms of this is a moment in history, how would you describe it . If you open up a textbook in 100 years, the first line about President Trump is he will be one of the three president s to be impeached and that will forever stay his legacy. This will get under trumps skin because it is history making. Andrewjohnson in 1868, bill clinton in 1988 andrewjohnson in 1868, bill clinton in1988 and andrewjohnson in 1868, bill clinton in 1988 and now donald trump, three president s, and whatever else he accomplishes, this will be one thing, the asterisk attached to his presidency. But president zelensky is not monica lewinsky, do you agree it hasnt captured the us publics imagination in the same way it did with president clinton . President trump is up five points according to gallop and it puts 30 congressional seats onto the table next time round in the elections next year. The american conservatives are hoping this impeachment will do for them what the staining of nine coded for borisjohnson in the uk. Essentially, outrage the rust belt and working class voters and potentially be to a big win next time. The polls certainly look like thatis time. The polls certainly look like that is the way it is heading. It could turbo charge his campaign for real action, could it . It depends on what pulls you look at. When you at fox news, and ideological outlet of President Trump, 54 polled over the weekend supported impeachment compared to 41 who opposed it, so a majority of americans supported it. The bigger question is not political, it is constitutional. This is a very big charge. In a british in the british context, this is hypothetical, what trump is accused of is if 12 mccord the president of ukraine and said you can have £300 million of anti tank missiles and a visit to downing street if you publicly announced an investigation ofjeremy corbyn or keirstarmer in the investigation ofjeremy corbyn or keir starmer in the labour party. Why are you shaking your head . There has been a long term policy by the American Government to investigate oligarchs in the soviet union. This all boils down to is president , Vice President biden went over to ukraine and he asked for the sacking of victor show can, the investigator into corruption of his own son. The reason he apparently asked for the prosecutor to be sacked is because the investigation was not fulsome enough. Youre shaking your head. I dont want to spend time of it, andre knows this has been debunked repeatedly and this is not true, fa ct repeatedly and this is not true, fact check viktor shokin, joe biden didnt do anything wrong and the republicans supported the sacking of viktor shokin. The important thing here is trump asked for an investigation ofjoe here is trump asked for an investigation of joe biden here is trump asked for an investigation ofjoe biden three times in that phone call, he doubled down on it in a white has called on them trump because my own people, them trump because my own people, the people he had picked to be ambassador to the European Union and National Security advisers, they testified against him, this is not a democratic witchhunt, it is trump people trump selected testifying against him. Who knows what will come up in the town next year, it will be interesting, but the republicans are in the majority and unlikely to vote him out of office. That is right, what is the harm in having a full investigation into corruption in ukraine . Why are they so corruption in ukraine . Why are they so scared . That is the important thing. What was not shown on your clip was Speaker Pelosi also said potentially, she might attempt to withhold the impeachment going to the senate and the reason is because they want the circus to continue. The senate and the reason is because they want the circus to continuem that practically possible . They want the circus to continuem that practically possible . I dont think it will be withheld for long. It is to ensure there is a fair trial because the Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell is coordinating with the way has to set the rules and if you imagine a criminal trial, the judge should not coordinate with people involved in a trial about the rules of operation. Thank you. But that is the constitution. Thank you, gentlemen, thatis constitution. Thank you, gentlemen, that is the constitution, thank you very much, thank you. Borisjohnson sets out his programme for government in the queens speech today brexit, the nhs, police and schools are tipped to be the focus. Meanwhile, scotlands first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has set out her case for another referendum on Scottish Independence this morning. I think it is reasonable for me to stand on the ground of expecting that election victory and that mandate to be respected. And if i looked, as i hope i do because it is how i feel, relaxed about this, it is because i also know the more a tory government looks to block the will of the scottish people, the more they show complete and utter co nte m pt more they show complete and utter contempt for scottish democracy, the more support for independence will rise. So their short term strategy, in my view, it sowed the seeds of their longer term defeat. It is self defeating, but it will not hold, because it is not a democratic position. I think we see the tectonic plates of this shifting already in the days since the election. Lets talk to some of the 140 newly elected mps about what are their priorities for the next five years . Lets speak to Nadia Whittome, labours new mp for nottingham east, who has become the youngest mp in parliament, at 23 years old. And john nicolson, the new snp mp for ochil and south perthshire, a seat previously held by the tories, but he was an mp for a previous seat between 2015 and 2017. We were supposed to be joined by dr kieran mullan, the new tory mp for crewe and nantwich, but he pulled out of our interview half an hour ago, saying he had to go to a meeting. Thanks, both. What are your priorities for the next year, nadia . 4096 of children in my constituency live in poverty. Amongst the 4 million children who will be spending christmas this year below the breadline. So for me, what is the tory government going to do for those children going hungry . And why should they believe Boris Johnson when it was his government that put them in that situation the first place . John nicholson, your priority for the next 12 months . Well, i agree with a lot of that. Universal credit is a huge problem in my constituency as well. And a lot of people are living with huge debt because of universal credit. And i am always very conscious in the run up to christmas, which is such a fantastic time for so many families, it is often a grim time for people trying to cope with debt and it is the conservatives who have driven these families into this terrible poverty. Brexit aside, john nicholson, there cant be much in this queens speech you would disagree with, nhs funding, enshrined in law, extra spending on the nhs, cutting hospital parking charges, £320 million cut in business rates, more money for schools. Parking charges, we dont in scotland. I take almost everything borisjohnson says in scotland. I take almost everything Boris Johnson says with a giant pinch of salt. We know he has not told the truth about the number of new hospitals for example that he is building. Sol of new hospitals for example that he is building. So i am inclined to disbelieve borisjohnson. But we are issuing our own queens speech today with a list of priorities for us, things we would do if we were in the unlikely position of running the uk government. And i think it is an attractive schedule. And following from what the first minister has said for the need for us to press ahead with an independence referendum, a second independence referendum, a second independence referendum, because time and time again throughout my constituency, i was told by people who had not supported independence before that they were determined to escape from borisjohnsons Brexit Britain because it will be so damaging. Borisjohnsons Brexit Britain because it will be so damaginglj will because it will be so damaging. will get back to independence in a moment can let me bring in Nadia Whittome again. You have said you are going to donate half your salary effectively to worthwhile causes in your community. Tell us why. So, i think that for me, it is an important representational principle for workers representatives to be on salaries that reflect workers salaries. That is why i have made that decision. And to contribute my earnings to causes in my constituency that are working with people in the face of austerity and also strike funds to enable the lowest pa id workers also strike funds to enable the lowest paid workers to fight for better pay and conditions. A former labourmp better pay and conditions. A former labour mp tweeted about your decision to do that. Virtue signalling is still the order of the day, ac, being paid properly for an importantjob day, ac, being paid properly for an important job is, it day, ac, being paid properly for an importantjob is, it seems, too good for the working class, what you say for the working class, what you say for that . I dont know whether melanie saw my comments i made before her tweets which says it is not about devaluing the work of mps who do a fantasticjob and job, but if that money is not good enough for a firefighter and a nurse and a teaching assistant to live on, then why should it be good enough for an mp . She says it puts other collea g u es mp . She says it puts other colleagues in an uncomfortable position because most give generously to guff to good causes. Then there is no real problem, is there . It is not about making colleagues feel uncomfortable and certainly the response i have had has been overwhelmingly positive. What prompted you to get into politics at such a young age . Tell our audience a bit about your background and what is motivating you. So, what really drove me to get involved in politics was when the bedroom tax was introduced. I was living and i still live in one of the poorest estates in nottingham. This was when people with a Spare Bedroom would being forced to pay a tax just for having a spare room in their council house. People were dying at the hands of austerity. And thatis dying at the hands of austerity. And that is what drove me to mobilise and tojoin that is what drove me to mobilise and to join the fight back and ultimately to stand, because we have had a decade of tory and lib dem austerity. I have seen the holes it has torn in our community. And how do you react to the fact that for example i spoke to a number of people who had been impacted by austerity and said they were voting conservative this time around because they wanted to leave the European Union . It is deeply saddening that this election was taken over saddening that this election was ta ken over by saddening that this election was taken over by what was essentially a populist live from Boris Johnson. Taken over by what was essentially a populist live from borisjohnson. We know that brexit cannot get done. This is just the know that brexit cannot get done. This isjust the beginning of at least ten years of trade deals. They just wanted a democratic vote to be represented, they told me. And certainly, i think that reflects the fa ct certainly, i think that reflects the fact that people need power in the hands,in fact that people need power in the hands, in their everyday lives. That is what the labour manifesto would have given to people in communities like mine, but now ourjob moving forwards is to hold borisjohnson to account. I was sent here by the people of nottingham east to oppose a hard right brexit and that is exactly what i will do. Let me bring you back in, john nicholson, what is the agency about a second scotland independence referendum . Well, i think the mood in scotland is that we should have that second independence referendum as soon as possible. I was very struck by some of the conversations i was having on the doors with people, in particular, i remember a the doors with people, in particular, i remembera woman the doors with people, in particular, i remember a woman i spoke to in crieff, which has traditionally been quite conservative. She said last time round in 2017, i voted conservative because i didnt want independence. And she said, but now, in 2019, i am voting snp because it is the only way i think i can stop borisjohnson and brexit. Voters are acutely aware of how damaging it brexit will become a driving up prices and hugely damaging in my constituency of south persia for the world famous Food Producers they have, food and drink producers south perthshire. They are incredibly worried about what brexit means. To escape brexit, you now have a choice, either Boris Johnsons narrow, inward looking Brexit Britain or to be a small, successful independent country like denmark. That is misleading, is it not . The brexiteers have removed that identity problem. Can i ask you a question . That is misleading if you say to people, if you want to escape brexit. Brexit is happening, onjanuary escape brexit. Brexit is happening, on january 31st, the escape brexit. Brexit is happening, onjanuary 31st, the uk is leaving the eu, it is happening. But you and i both know, well, let me not put words in your mouth. My view, and i totally agree with my labour colleague, my view is that one of the most dishonest slogans of recent times was get brexit done. Even if we do leave injanuary, the idea that we can conclude complex trade negotiations, so 27 countries by december 2020, is nonsense. There is nobody who is involved in trade negotiations he believes that can be done. You remember liam fox as International Trade secretary said that by today, he would have done 40 trade deals and he didnt. We have heard these assurances from the conservatives before, they are deeply dishonest. So if you do want to escape brexit long term, if you are scottish, the only way to do thatis are scottish, the only way to do that is to be part of an independent scotland in the European Union. Final thought, alisterjack said earlier this week people are fed up with constant division and uncertainty. He has got a point, hasnt he . This was the party that introduced the brexit legislation. Come on, i mean, they ran an entire campaign which just said come on, i mean, they ran an entire campaign whichjust said over and overagain ina campaign whichjust said over and over again in a very crude way, there was no policies, theyjust said, give Nicola Sturgeon a message. And the scottish people gave her a message and the message was, we quite like you, nicola, and we really dont like borisjohnson and we really, really dont want to be part of brexit written and the toys have to come to terms with that. Thank you very much, john nicholson. I guess you will vote against the Withdrawal Agreement when it comes back to the commons, what about yourself, Nadia Whittome . I will absolutely be voting against it, this is what i was sent here by the people of nottingham east to do, to resist a hard right tory brexit and protect peoples jobs and migrant rights and the climate, because we are right in the centre of the climate emergency, at the hands of a government that is led by a Prime Minister who called this a primitive concern. Thank you very much, it is good to see both of you. And enjoy yourfirst much, it is good to see both of you. And enjoy your first state opening of parliament. Coming up in the next half hour. Were going to meet nine year old drumming sensation, nandi bushell. She drums hi, everyone. My names nandi, and i love playing the drums she drums and after becoming one of the most successful names in modelling when she was just a teenager in the 90s, jodie kidd speaks to us us about the severe anxiety she suffered in her twenties. First, Annita Mcveigh has the news. Thank you. Good morning. Donald trump has become only the third president in American History to be impeached. The house of representatives, controlled by the opposition democrats, voted to send mr trump for trial by the senate on charges that he abused his power for personal gain, and obstructed efforts to investigate him. At a rally in michigan, President Trump claimed the democrats were trying to nullify his election win and predicted the move would backfire. The do nothing democrats, and they are do nothing, all they want to focus is on this. What they could be doing. What they are doing is declaring their depatriot and disdain for the american voter. This lawless, partisan impeachment is a political suicide march for the democrat party. Have you seen my polls in the last four weeks . The nhs will be at the centre of the queens speech today, as the conservative government sets out its legislative agenda for the year ahead. There will also be proposals for longer jail sentences for serious criminals, a cut to business rates, and the bill to deliver brexit. The ministry of defence is being urged to tackle racism within the armed forces. The watchdog overseeing complaints in the military is warning racist incidents are happening more and more often. It comes after a number of high profile cases involving soldiers whove taken legal action against the army. An mod spokesperson says racism has no place in the military and that there are a range of measures in place to ensure the issue is tackled. And the european premiere of the ninth and final star wars film, the rise of skywalker, has been held in london. The director, jj abrams, joined stars including daisy ridley and john boyega at the event in leicester square. The movie concludes the star wars saga started by george lucas more than 40 years ago. That is a summary of the news. Back to victoria. Next were going to introduce to you nine year old nandi bushell, from ipswich. Shes is a musical prodigy who has performed with huge stars such as Lenny Kravitz and Anderson Paak. She really is amazing. Our reporter Shamaan Freeman Powell went to meet her. Hello, everyone. My names nandi. And i love playing the drums. Recognise nandi . That might be because, unlike other nine year old girls, she is already a social media sensation. Videos of her amazing drumming skills have been viewed thousands of times, and shes even picked up some celebrity fans. Hi, im lenny. Hello nice to meet you, finally. Can i have a hug . I met Lenny Kravitz, and i played are you gonna go my way . And i met questlove. And i also know Anderson Paak. I met him in birmingham. If you could jam with someone else, who would it be . I think i want to jam with the Red Hot Chilli with the Red Hot Chilli peppers and foo fighters. If that wasnt enough, the little rock star was hand picked out more than 100 children, to appear in one of the uks so, i went to bulgaria, and it was pretty amazing. And i got like this chair that said nandy bushell, actress. And like, its one of those directors chairs. So i got one of those special chairs just for myself. I wasnt able. I really wanted to bring it home so i could just sit on it, but i couldnt. I couldnt put it on the plane after she appeared in the ad, the retailer told the bbc that sales of the drum kit scene had risen by a whopping 452 . Would you like a marshmallow . Nandi may have only started drumming at five years old, but music has always been a big part of theirfamily life, and her talent has been on display from a very, very early age. When i was little, ijust, whenever there was music on. I really like teletubbies. And id always play in time. Teletubbies. And id always, like, push my bum in the air in time. Like, one, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. She might look like shes fresh out of a performing arts school, but nandi goes to a normal state school in ipswich. And when shes at home, she finds other creative ways to spend her time. Who wants what . Like setting up a little coffee shop in her kitchen. For now, its just a Family Business at my house. I love it. Thank you. How much do i owe you . Nothing. On the house . Free today. 0k. Thank you on a Normal School day i would wake up. I do wake up later these days, cos im still suffering from jet lag. I get extra maths homework, which i enjoyed doing. I like playing squash. Squash is like one of my favourite sports to do. Her dad, john, says he always knew that nandi had something special, but never expected her to be recognised so early on. So i put a video of her playing a funky drum beat when she was eight years old on instagram. And ijust used the hashtag funky drummer. And somehow questlove from the roots picked up on that video. And at the time she maybe had like a few hundred followers. It was just for fun. We were, you know, not taking it too seriously. I dont know how, but Anderson Paak saw that little video that we made, and he re posted it on his page and thats when things really started to kind of gain traction, cos thats when Lenny Kravitz started to follow nandi. And a few weeks later, Lenny Kravitz was playing at the 02 arena. And we got a message from him saying, you know. Would you like to to jam at the 02 arena . And we were like, what . this is unreal, you know. She hadnt really practised anything cos it was all so kind of last minute, and she just started playing this beat, the purdy shuffle beat. And lennyjust was like, what . What . how . and he kind of went crazy, didnt he . He just ran up to her and he was like, give me a bass, give me a bass. And he starts like playing with nandi, like, jamming around. And at that point i wasjust like, oh, things are going to change. Music smells like teen spirit we got a call from the the ellen show, that we were going to be on the ellen show. And we were really excited. Youre nine, right . Yeah. So how long have you been playing . When did you start . Four years. Im very, very, very lucky to be on ellens show. Shes friendly and shes really nice. Yeah. So im going to give you a bass guitar. 0k. Things are incredibly exciting at the moment, but its all kind of new to us and we dont want to get swept away in the moment. Yeah. If she wants to be a drummer, she could be a drummer. If she wants to be like, a proper musician. If she wants to be a mathematician. Whatever nandi wants to be, we just want to support her in whatever she wants to do. So what does nandi want to do . Will she become a one woman band, like her idol, Lenny Kravitz . I want to be a musician. And if i had time, when i was going on tours, i would do like a little bit of maths teaching. Mathematician. And maybe if i had a little more time doing those two things, i would draw or like, paint. In the uk weve just had a general election. Some people think that the country is now quite divided. So if you could recommend a song that would bring everyone together, what song would it be . Erm, maybe a little bit of rage. Rage against the machine, killing in the name of. It just shows that whoever you are, you dont have to be judged for who you are. And ive. They do a lot of songs, but be careful of the swear words. Dont listen to the swear words. She is a legend already and only nine. The mum of a british teenager accused of lying about being raped by tourists in cyprus has told this programme that she thinks the British Government have let her family down. In her first ever interview about her daughters case, jenny, which is not her real name, says her daughter is suffering severe ptsd as a result of what shes been through and that both their lives have been a living nightmare. Her daughter, who were calling olivia, is on trial for falsely claiming to have been attacked at an Ayia Napa Hotel injuly. Ive been speaking to michael polack, human rights lawyer from Justice Abroad, which is providing help to the teenager. And her mum. And weve blurred herface to protect her identity. I was travelling to work on the train and she phoned me and i was absolutely devastated, i went numb andi absolutely devastated, i went numb and i was shaking and i couldnt process anything. I dont remember the detail of what she told me at all, it was horrendous, absolutely heartbreaking. Obviously you flew out to be with your daughter in cyprus. How was she when you got there . She was a changed person, very withdrawn, she was quite terrified of everything. She didnt wa nt to terrified of everything. She didnt want to leave the room she was in, she was very jumpy. Want to leave the room she was in, she was veryjumpy. When she left for cyprus she was a beautiful, bubbly happy girl that was very confident and she was totally different when i got there. And she said she had been gang raped by a group of israeli teenagers who were also staying at the resort where she was staying and the police have been investigating that and things changed when she was asked to go to the Police Station again one evening to help answer a few more questions. What happened . To help answer a few more questions. What happened . It was a saturday evening and she took a call from the police to come and collect her around 6 15pm. She had been feeling ill all day, we had been to the Medical Clinic twice that day to change medication she was on. She went with the police, thinking she was going to do something quite administrative, so she had not identified any of the men they had arrested at that point and not done any formal identification. She expected it would be something to do with that i think and she thought she would be an hour or so. That is not what happened. She was asked to make another statement and she says that she was forced into making this false confession. So, yeah. Then she was arrested. She told me she was absolutely terrified while she was absolutely terrified while she was going through that whole process. They said that they would arrest her, that they would get an International Arrest warrant for her friends if she did not sign the confession and if she did sign it, they would let her go, and she just wa nted they would let her go, and she just wanted to get out of there. Effectively your daughter went from being the victim of a crime, she said, to being charged with making up said, to being charged with making up the claims of rape . Yes, that is exactly it. And how did you react to that and how did she react to that . How did that and how did she react to that . How did i react . I had gone out and found my daughter to be in this terrible state after being raped, she was terrified that she had got hiv and she had been to the clinic several times. Then she had been arrested. I cant even explain how unbelievable it came across. I literally couldnt believe it and it took lots of hours for that to properly sink in. Im going to bring in your lawyer, michael, who is a human rights lawyer from Justice Abroad who are providing legal aid to you and your daughter put on the allegations olivia has made that the police ever to be put under pressure and forced her to retract her statement, the secret Police Reject those claims and reiterate that the 19 year old british woman was asked to make additional statements by which she withdrew the allegations she had initially made, they said. The interesting information around that night when she was taken to the Police Station was that she was there for eight hours with no legal representation, no interpretation as well, and what we did was we had expert evidence brought from the United Kingdom to the trial to show that that retraction statement is unreliable. We had the evidence of a forensic linguist who went through the retraction statement and said it is highly unlikely the words included them are the words given by an English Speaking person. So the words were written for her . They we re words were written for her . They were dictated to her. The probability of that coming from an English Speaking person he said was highly unlikely and it is a mathematical exercise he performed, going through the combination of words together and he also said it was highly unlikely that someone was able to fake the process because of how difficult it is to know which words a non English Speaking person would use together. His report was very compelling. We also had a psychologist, an expert in ptsd who works with the military around the world, and she gave evidence in regards to the effects of ptsd on the teenager how she would have been feeling at the time. It is not surprising that the teenager did give the retraction statement after that eight hour ordeal given the state she was in. You are clear that the initial rape allegations that your client has made absolutely truthful . We say the evidence supports what she is saying happened on that night and the interesting thing in the trial so far, and we have had all the evidence, is the cypriot authorities. To be clear, this is her trial . The trial against herfor this is her trial . The trial against her for allegedly this is her trial . The trial against herfor allegedly making this is her trial . The trial against her for allegedly making up the claims . It is a public mischief trial in the District Court in cyprus and during the trial, the interesting part is that cypriot authorities have not brought these israeli youths to court to say this is what happened. The only evidence we have in the trial process about what happened that evening is from the teenager herself. Going back to jenny your daughter has been on trial, as your lawyer has explained, the charge is public mischief which which we would understand as effectively making up the rape claims and shes now waiting to find out if she is guilty that charge. How is she in terms of how she is coping in terms while she is waiting . She is still quite withdrawn and are still suffering from the ptsd. She sees things and hear things. She has either insomnia or hypersomnia any given time and insomnia can go on for two or three days when she does not sleep and hypersomnia is when she is sleeping 14, 16 hours a day hypersomnia is when she is sleeping 14,16 hours a day and she goes through cycles of that. Otherwise, she is quite hardened to it and quite resilient and she is very keen on getting justice. Quite resilient and she is very keen on gettingjustice. She had had her passport removed from her so she cannot leave the country even if she wa nted cannot leave the country even if she wanted to. Has the British Government done enough to help you and your daughter . The embassy out here in cyprus at a Grassroots Level have been sort of helping with things like getting prison visits when she was in prison, and they have attended court, and in particular one consular officer has done that and she has done some of that in her own time. But at a senior, diplomatic level, i have not seen senior, diplomatic level, i have not seen anything from them. My ex, olivias father, met with the vice consul, called Christina Smith come out here with our lawyers, and they we re out here with our lawyers, and they were told this is the same attitude from my mp, it is localjudicial process and i understand that but in this case human rights have been violated and i find this case human rights have been violated and ifind it this case human rights have been violated and i find it really shocking that neither europe nor the embassy or our government feel able to make sure that her rights are being observed. Quite honestly. have a statement from the Foreign Office but i was stop continue support a british woman and a family following an arrest in cyprus and we have made a number of visits to her detention, then Court Hearings and are in contact with a legal representative and the local authorities about her case. A lawyer representing some of the israeli men had previously said that video clips made by at least one of those initially accused of rape by your client had contradicted the womans account. What say to that . The clips have gone into evidence in the trial we have asked Police Office rs the trial we have asked Police Officers about them and they have confirmed there was nothing showing group consensual sex. Have you seen the clips . We have and the judge has seen them as well, the officers have seen them as well, the officers have seen them, we have asked questions about them could we asked officer to describe them for the and nothing in that shows group consensual sex. A lot of information was put into the media immediately when the israeli youths were arrested and a lot of it was false information which was disseminated and changed peoples attitudes in regard to what had happened to put so im clear, you have seen these video clips . I have. Can you tell us, in your view, if your client was being raped by these men . On the evening of the rape incident, it shows consensual sex with one man and it shows others trying to enter the room and being told to leave the room, that is what it shows. It does not show the exact rape incident but it shows a precursor to it. Understood. And because earlier in the evening your client was having consensual sex with one man does not mean she was not raped late in the evening . Of course, and the videos seem to show people try to get into a room where they are not welcome which gives you a flavour as to what was going on. And jenny, what would you do if your daughter is found guilty of this . She. Last spoke to her yesterday, she is absolutely resolute, as michael said, she will keep fighting and appeal and take it to the highest level. And i will absolutely 100 support her, definitely. Highest level. And i will absolutely 10096 support her, definitely. Thank you very much for talking to us. I really appreciate your time and obviously we will follow what happens. The verdict is due at the end of december is my understanding. Yes, the 30th. Jenny, you are staying out there clearly with your daughter over christmas, thank you very much for being on our programme we wish you all the best. Thank you. And thank you for your time as well. And our action line website is on the bbc, there are loads of organisations listed who can help you. Jodie kidd was one of the biggest names in modelling in the nineties. A supermodel at only 16, she graced the cover of vogue and the runways of london, paris and milan for the top designers. But beneath the surface, she was struggling with crippling anxiety and panic attacks. She quit modelling aged only 19, and spent much of her twenties trying to overcome the anxiety that, at times, left her unable to leave home. Jodies here now. Good morning. You were scouted aged 15 and you have only recently revealed the depths to which your anxiety went really. Tell us how bad it was. It was such. It has been so long, and anything Mental Health, you are kind of like, everyone looks at you, it is something you should not speak about a. At the time come in the late 90s when i started suffering, i went to my doctor and said, look, im not feeling good. Im not sleeping, i have very little appetite, i feel very nervous, sweaty palms and all these things i didnt know what was going on. And nor did the doctors and the support system. Nobody really talked about it. I was put on beta blockers, told to breathe into brown paper bags and all of these things which of course you now know are not how you deal with anxiety. It was a very lonely place to be and terrifying as a young girl as well. What was triggering it . It is not like ptsd, thatis triggering it . It is not like ptsd, that is normally triggered by an event whereas anxiety or depression canjust come event whereas anxiety or depression can just come out of nowhere. There wasnt a particular point where i remember its only going, boom, it kind of creeps up on you. I suppose the most important thing is that it is being able to talk about it, and to break down the stigmas of it and to break down the stigmas of it and to go, you know, its ok, its all right. I suffered for years because i was ata i suffered for years because i was at a point where i did not see people talking about it on tv or you did not have social media where you could write about it. I suppose im just trying to push awareness and education, and not to be ashamed about it. Im reallyjust trying to push that side of things. We talk about it a lot on our programme, it isa about it a lot on our programme, it is a big issue for our audience and we have talked more recently about what is called social prescribing and the nhs is taking this on board where, alongside talking therapies or antidepressants potentially, you would prescribe some exercise or going for a walk or doing some gardening on an allotment. You have done a bit of that . Absolutely, it is so important and exercise i think with the real turning point where i kind of started healing myself but i went from active childhood to modelling where youre not doing much exercise as youre walking up and down catwalks, if you call that exercise i had to stop i went back to my roots, to riding horses, being in the country. I had an allotment, i grew my own vegetables, eating really well is very important. But it is so important, going for a walk. I found by it is so important, going for a walk. Ifound by going to it is so important, going for a walk. I found by going to the ocean, ocean therapy is incredible and there is something about listening to waves, walking along the beach, doing exercises like swimming that is really beneficial. There isnt a formula where you go, take this pill or do this thing and it will com pletely or do this thing and it will completely cure you, it is all a bit of finding out what suits you because it is a mental thing. Obviously it is a difficult subject but there is not a Straight Line formula. But exercise is really key and eating properly. formula. But exercise is really key and eating properly. I want to ask you about the criticism you got about your weight when you are modelling. 62 . About your weight when you are modelling. 62 . And even the Times Newspaper was writing how much you weighed. Yes. They were saying that heroin chic, so how did you cope with that . It was all the same time asi with that . It was all the same time as i was suffering from anxiety so i couldnt sleep, i was an insomniac. And if you have suffered from that anxiety, you are in this state of fight or flight and your body is pumping adrenaline round. You are in this state of emergency in the last thing you want to do is sit down and eat a great big bowl of something. I got the point where i was to feel very faint because i had to eat and it wasnt the fact i was looking in a mirror going, im too fat or anorexia or anything like that, it was just this state of panic at the whole time. My weight dropped off, obviously extremely tired because of insomnia and the next thing i know i have the whole British Press saying, you know, how much of a terrible role model i was. I was this young girl going, i dont know what is going on with me, everybody is putting on the. And people were shouting at you in the street . Saying i was a bad role model and i should not be modelling, go and get yourself a feed. It all added to this horrible downward spiral of where i just this horrible downward spiral of where ijust went. And the Tipping Point was doing a catwalk show in milan walked halfway down the catwalk, got a full blown panic attack, literally froze and turned round and walked off and got into my clothes, on a plane i never did another show. And i literally gave up my another show. And i literally gave up my modelling career and went, you know, ive got to stop this, its just horrendous. Was that the right thing to do . Absolutely yes. No regrets. And your Mental Health now, a good place . Absolutely but if i can help one person to say dont be embarrassed about it, talk about it, then thats a good thing. Thank you for talking about it. Thank you very much. In a moment, welljoin viewers on bbc one for special coverage of the queens speech, at the state opening of parliament, with huw edwards. Have a good day. Months, a state opening of westminster will be open. In a few moments time, the queen will arrive for a speech written by her ministers. This time will be different to the last, less pageantry different to the last, less pagea ntry and different to the last, less pageantry and more politics. The question is, what will borisjohnson and the government to do with the new mandate they have . Stand by for the state opening of parliament. A good morning to viewers across the uk and around