Team members gathered outside v. M. D. C. Headquarters in harare he founded the m. D. C. In one thousand nine hundred nine as augur headlined stay with us the street is our next. Hi im seventy ok and im really could be today a stream update on a story weve covered extensively here and across the aisle dizzier and that work the crisis the United Nations is confronting several issues at once this is back to continue violence by the military the arrests of journalists covering the story and the abundant problems facing refugees in neighboring bangladesh as always tweet us your comments or if youre watching live on you tube take part in the chat and you too could be in the stream. Stream. The u. N. Is sounding the alarm about another potential crisis facing me im miles from haiti refugee the march monsoon season since august around six hundred seventy thousand where he fled their homes amy and ma to bangladesh in an effort to escape the violence against them this month alone more than fifteen hundred refugees have fled across the border and thousands more are expected now the u. N. Estimates one hundred seven thousand refugees are living in areas of baghdad desh prone to flooding or landslides and joining us to talk about this in Dhaka Bangladesh journalist choudhry in Frankfurt Germany wrote in activists and blogger in new york Catherine Mahoney shes a senior spokesperson with the United Nations high commissioner for refugees and here in our studio wiles hes a senior crisis advisor with Amnesty International welcome everyone to this story and i want to start with a member of our community this is priya an International Lawyer who tweeted in this about the upcoming monsoon season multiple accounts have painted a very dire picture of the camps already and these are the camps in bangladesh with the onset of the monsoon there will be greater risk of water Borne Disease and epidemics mudslides logistical difficulties with food and essential revisions and thats just to name a few grave concerns ten vere what are preparations look like for the upcoming season. Well the u. N. Agencies are saying that up to a hundred thousand people are under this condition we have just reported from. The family and i struggle i fear when he was that monsoon season and i had my fellow have been in knee deep water watching woman with their babies in. The water in the rain with their kids exposed to weather twenty four hours now under the very Poor Condition congested about five hundred thousand refugees living in a between quick apollo and blue collar thats just two of the areas and they include structures are very poor during the rainy season a lot of people have to walk down to the camp to get their food the shelters are basic bamboo pole type being made out of plastic. Tents are weather proof and much better condition but thats grossly inadequate. From that. Logical leave the near bare bangle and prone to heavy monsoon cycling in the bay of bengal and during the season these people are not really protected i mean the winds will blow away most of this time considering all the situation that needs to be much more robust activity there considering the u. N. Say that the funding is getting dried out of the need for food as well as the infrastructure donors are reluctant to give in more so this is a very impending and multidimensional problem. Kathleen. Is coming how do you prepare and how the refugees getting ready. Yeah i couldnt agree more this truly is a race against time to prevent a crisis for people who have quite simply already suffered enough who dont belong is currently the Worlds Largest refugee camp so imagine People Living in incredibly precarious situation its overcrowded the risks for. Public Health Problems are rife as youve mentioned we do estimate that one hundred thousand People Living in this camp are in areas that are prone to landslides and flooding were talking about a about a third of the settlement which could flood so currently the government of bonded actually is leading this massive humanitarian and Emergency Preparedness effort were in the process of working with the government and all of the humanitarian partners to move tens of thousands of people out of flood prone areas were working with to provide sandbags to prevent flooding were trying to negotiate access to new land to move people to places that are safer were also desperately concerned that the efforts that weve already put in place to provide humanitarian aid could also be swept away in this human and this monsoon season so really this is a massive effort thats under way and it has massive means and everybody is truly rallying together to make this situation better but it is it is a huge problem you know there are members of our community who are linking the upcoming months the monsoon season with things that are even worse this is protect the rain about their handle they write in that their legal team took statements from over sixty one refugees in bangladesh last december asking them about their challenges they talked about everything from access to education and labor to medical and food and they go on to say though the impending monsoon sounds far safer than. Creation to me and maher where the military can continue its campaign of starvation rape and mass murder against the redemption this is a. The words of this person who tweeted matt we talked about impending repatriation where are we with that program and i think talk of repatriation is really premature repatriation needs to be rooted in the principles of being safe and voluntary and dignified and the reality is right now that the abuses being committed by the me and our military have yet to even stop as we reported last week they are in effect starving out the remaining population in northern Rakhine State they have blocked access so people cant go out to the rice fields in order to harvest rice they have burned markets or blocked access to other markets they have with along with vigilantes they have looted cattle buffaloes cows basically all of the range of wealth has been taken away and its been made impossible even to go out to harvest rice fields and so the result has been now you know growing Food Insecurity and people consistently telling me in recent weeks when i was in bangladesh that they are arriving now in bangladesh because they have been driven to the point of starvation and so at this time in particular in the aftermath of what was a horrific campaign of violence involving widespread killings widespread Sexual Violence against women and girls in a targeted burning of revenge of villages we need to address these issues first in the culture of impunity that is allowed to me and more military to get away with this as well as the underlying conditions that we say amount to apartheid in terms of the long standing denial of the ability to move around freely to access education to Access Health care is the population has been systematically persecuted and discriminated against for years and those issues have to be addressed before we can talk about the ability to safely return people to northern Rakhine State navys a stories that you tell in your blog. Activism and research that military and i want to show you something on my laptop or this comes from the government from their Facebook Page and its always difficult for us here in our desire to go. The government perspective so we went. To see what they have to sell the government for not tomorrow and also writes my role i once asked about strong evidence all Human Rights Violations often investigation prosecutors will take actions according to your. What do you make of that. Just what the always see but recently if you see the story of the Associated Press they have exposed their five miles great in. Bed each. I spoke with many very jump from that would be and there are some very gender some really enjoy a village or are living inside the village or are they. Are and also i have always thought of five video on my facebook and the creature as well so will the government you know simply dismiss. That too and also they have been doing these things two thousand and sixteen we have many story old many every day but they simply dismiss as if fake news and you know the event attacked me personally on their state Media Television and the state news people are and they called me that i am posting there all the fake news and even they dismiss all there really. Are the fakery yesterday in their interview with their prophet so yes. Channel full she also said you know they are dismissing everything like you know there is no there is no any atrocity against their own people and also there is no rape this is they will never admitting that they are committing the crime again is. Nine hundred Seventy Eight they will never admit that they are these you know side. Boss or do yes. So channel four is a British News Network or put a channel in the United Kingdom and we just share this with your game for me my information committal the ground went to the locations that were mentioned in the a. P. News story as where the bodies were buried and found out that it is not true naysay thats what you were saying there again they are you saying some day and they say no that didnt happen yeah let me get a job in one that government all should be sitting there i was on the floor with the villagers did they didnt go to the place where there was great are they just go into the. Village and they came back and. Theyre not. Hiring all of you save that they didnt live and he was great then i want to bring in another member and i hear what youre saying there they want to bring in another member of the community have ebola is in the us hes a member of the Iraqi National organization and this is what he told the stream about repatriation efforts theres enormous change of attitude of the myanmar government and the military tours to rangers is to the identified ranges as bengali internal course from others and you see ranges continue entering into bangor there is due to continuing violence and brutality against them you know. And yes it would be worse just simply moving the food you can from bangladesh to another. Kind of state so catherine he doesnt think that its possible whats is what see u. N. H. C. R. Position on what conditions are like for repatriation. Absolutely i couldnt agree more with what everybody is saying we are hearing nothing but hauling reports of violence harrowing accounts of individuals witnessing the murders of their husbands their wives their childrens people are fleeing villages that are have essentially been razed to the ground under no circumstances do we believe that conditions are conducive to return at this stage and for us we believe that the solutions to this crisis for a crisis of seven hundred thousand people flood the border and for many hundred thousands more inside myanmar the solutions to this crisis lie inside myanmar in till we have a guarantee that there is peace and security and one that is sustainable we cannot advocate for the return even a voluntary one for people to return to myanmar the conditions simply are not conducive we cannot guarantee peace and security and intel the root causes of this crisis are addressed were not going to have a solution tell me how do you get it like this and i hear you just me well my i just want to check in with ted there for a moment had this headline hit bangladesh greece and that u. N. Oversee of the hinge of refugees to me and how do you get that situation but were hearing a and catherine talking about how it is so dangerous for the refugees to go back why do you want to work lets do this. Just two days ago the differing ministers say that they have an agreement with the un to monitor this and he couldnt go into detail exactly on long. Capacity to have a we know under the agreement the myanmar has never agreed for a u. N. Participation in the process and what other guests say it is exactly true we still have arranged refugees crossing into bangladesh just on they were returned and that we brought that approximately over two hundred people crossing to bangladesh and they have been reading a very similar story of what the other record is that say that there are still atrocities been going. Have been burned so under this condition the International Community can very visibly the ration is definitely not conducive for any any victims to go into that place and expect some sort of confidence to leave there without some sort of international guarantee despite what bangladesh and myanmar saying to diffuse diplomatic tension and to good benefit to create understanding and diffuse the tension so that there is a bilateral communication going on which is a good step but its definitely not a time with the rainbow to which it should be able to go back to. The kind state without some sort of guarantee and that a here at ten saying there about this being about defusing diplomatic tensions or someone online to agree this is the you tube live or if you will says now no one knows when they will get back to their home country without any recognition of citizenship from the me and my government an issue weve covered here on the stream and he goes on to say the Bangladesh Government should have agreed on a specific timeline to send back was there a timeline and where did it go wrong i mean various times there has been the governments have put forth a timeline for us to the idea of a specific time line it is actually problematic and that then. Returns might not be guy lied and might not be rooted in the principles of being safe involuntary that. Ultimately what we need to ensure and so if you set a hard time line and say they have to go back by this point and its still not safe in northern Rakhine State as all of my fellow panelists have pointed out then they they shouldnt be returned it again it has to be rooted in being safe and voluntary and and i think you know raise an important point with while the Bangladeshi Government has talked about the involvement of the un to me and more government is still you know not indicated that it will allow the type of involvement from the u. N. That we need to see and at the same time it is to severely restricting aid access in northern Rakhine State its limiting the ability of humanitarian actors there to get assistance to the who are still there who desperately need it its also severely restricting the ability of independent vesta gaiters to go to northern Rakhine State and to document the types of atrocities that have happened and then how i want to say this to this without its really this was something tweeted out recently talking about. You were involved in putting together you just back from the region two weeks ago and you say here that military has stuff this is the mom that she has starved abducted right from the way he remained a. State give us one story tell us one story because hes so much about the one that were never going to forget you know i mean i took so many and the are each so devastating because these are people who. One man for example you know he stayed as part of his village was burned he stayed is as members of his family were killed he is the market in his village was torched by me and more soldiers he stayed as all of his life stuck in the livestock of other hinge in his village were taken away by the military and by other ethnic groups in the area where he couldnt ultimately stay you know afterwards when the military then stopped him from going to his rice fields and a guy. To a situation where he couldnt get enough food for himself for his family he saw that his Young Children were in effect starving because of what the military was continuing to do the fact they are continuing to squeeze the ranger population more than five months into this campaign and so its only that which forced him and other people who recently arrived to bangladesh to eve we cannot resist. Yet it cannot be from want on to another. You cannot travel with you dont. You dont still last sunday i bloody i washed i went i went to get you live what have you got the i really used to get up. There then if you like it you will the reason so. August you cannot. Get it people. Are going to go and it is good. Specially my mission from there all that at the end they can get there but they cannot get the old no i we cant wrap up this conversation without talking about an explosive expose and by reuters about a massacre and i was also can you give us an example so we can connect the story and that story that right instead now the two of the organizations journalists in general wallow. Were investigating the killings of a hinge on muslims in northern Rakhine State and the journalists reported that ten people. Happened shot and well have to death by a group that included the buddhist nobles and soldiers and them up to a chief of rightist told the struggle a bit earlier today that the organization stands behind the story and those too generous. The story also highlights the importance of high quality indepth reporting that so badly needed in myanmar as it goes through democratic transition. Both well known until so apart from being fantastic reporters are also great husbands great sons great friends and they we are in touch with them when they come out to the court for almost weekly hearings and we know that they very strongly supported the decision to publish the story. The we they were they were in the courtroom this week they will be back. In Court Next Week as well and we expect. The judicial process to take some time and thats why we are very you know we are probably appreciate any expressions of interest and encourage moment and support as the reporters. Spend their time behind bars dont you see now for we have. Hes our Senior Reporter were funny. Would it be fair to say that you report any two stories that are probably more sympathetic to the Administration Long government. Oh yeah you know i know this is who you know all your gullet a lawyer you know ball the atrium gone and if we meet you know that who are coming here you know maybe. We. Done it because you know people on media going down the on a mission to the media and even on the local media that got in on the. Reporting of the people angry on on the above you are kind. Of names in the media and then look at media well you know some media. Of all military and you know the government like that you ought to be a right has to come there look people who are not who need to know this became very angry and clear that up to the needs of the right. Reporting you know its not only on what is reported and the and the news in the media its all. To on the albany and what beyond that what you know well if its trust and media is going down this could be one reason we got the video comment this isnt local newspaper editor and then gone and this is what he told the stream we need to be it simply. Before we write any piece and before we have to say anything we must be one of the the calmest a man a manager for me and an intern if you know when i do. Were going to them. About the life of the job. Because a weekend with them by our staff. Thats. Very very comforting. So matt he talks about some of the challenges facing reporters like him you of course couldnt actually go in to see the camps yourself you were using satellite imagery is that correct can you talk about some of those challenges about access throughout of course to the part that many people who are in bangladesh and so frequently interviewed the many who have fled across into into bangladesh and weve supported that with satellite imagery to see again the very targeted systematic nature of the military is burning you see in some of these villages that are mixed that aboriginal population where within you know five ten meters apart you have the entire area completely burned to the ground every last structure and the areas completely intact and weve interviewed people from those villages to describe where they live in the population lives and it lines up it corroborates in terms of who did this to me and more military and to whom the population in these villages and so i think you know our reporting when you look at what reuters was able to do with this indian report its incredibly thorough and its not just testimony from victims from witnesses but also from the perpetrators of the specific incident and it winds up with what weve reported with what Human Rights Watch has reported about what journalists you know from the most respected Media Outlets in the world have reported again and again and again that this is been a Systematic Campaign led by the Myanmar Military against the range of civilian population across northern i have a headline here which from the New York Times it says well the way he has we are just going to school down here he gave us a very different perspective from inside myanmar as to how they feel the world is reporting about do you want to be him jeff you an outsider to all do you want them to come back. But you know it wont be going. In your mind. Or going to be there maybe. Already agreed and you know where i grew. Ok and i thank you too i guess for this update on a very complicated long running story thank you matt via ne for joining us and also catherine as well of course the story we will continue to cover it at aljazeera dot com and you can find any kind i online at hashtag a. J. Strain just checking in from he has a story going down on line i will interview this week from andrew who is from reuters and links to a petition that you can sign to help get those reporters really. So watching everybody take a. 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