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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20140615:15:28:00

Denying negroes anything before o.j. when dna comes along, there s a critical mass of science and its understanding of its use, people were much more careful about it. you would think the mountain of evidence being used against o.j. proved again, something you said that s very important, black people s skepticism about technology, it wasn t about technology itself, it s about technicians. it s not about science, it s about scientists. it s the use of it. so when we discovered that oh, yeah, some of that dna, we kept it out, didn t put it in, when questions began to be raised, it showed them that even science can t testify on its own. it s got to always be put into a larger context and in that context, race makes a huge difference in terms of the interpretation of the data. i think o.j. showed all of that but he did become a critical figure in releasing a lot of men who were innocent. i want to one other kind of evidence, not dna evidence. witnesses and to the extent to which witnes ....

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20140615:15:10:00

I want to listen to mr. cochran and ask whether or not you think that is an argument being made to the jury or an argument being made to a broader audience. let s listen for a classic moment. i want you to remember these words. like the defining moment in this trial, the day mr. darden asked mr. simpson to try on those gloves and the gloves didn t fit, remember these words. if it doesn t fit, you must acquit. is that a jury argument or is that he has to be playing to the jury. even though we see it at home, his client s life and liberty is on the line, so that s who he s playing to. it just happens to work for us as well. sometimes you hear politicians say certain things, they are playing for the audience. when you are a trial lawyer, i tried a few cases, and not well, that s why i left doing it, everything, all you care about is doing well for your client. if their liberty is on the line, that s the most pressure you can ....

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20140615:15:29:00

Very racially angst-filled trial. in the zimmerman trial, the testimony of the young woman who just graduated from high school, but who was the last person to speak with trayvon martin, she was meant to provide humanization of trayvon martin, to make us think of him as a young boy on the phone with his friend but in part because of how she presented racially, in many ways, it had the opposite effect. folks had such negative feelings about her. i was comparing that to o.j. simpson s daughter, arnelle, the older daughter, who when she testified, this beautiful young woman who was so lovely and articulate and had all these nice things to say about her father and how her character witness played very different racially. i just thought this is exactly how that race and witnessing makes for different kind of evidence. jurors are human beings. they connect with certain people in different ways. i felt bad for the young lady because the struggles of being ....

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20140615:15:19:00

The result of that trial, then you have the election of bill clinton who is talked about as the first black president, then o.j. simpson is acquitted, does it feel in 95 like we are entering this post-racial seriously, part of the reason i ask this is because this way in which these moments end up standing in for much bigger things than what they are actually about. oddly for me, when the o.j. simpson verdict happened, i was a white guy. because 9/11 happened, so you were still white. right. i watched the o.j. verdict as a white lawyer and tried to be objective and when the verdict came out, i said i didn t watch every piece of evidence that went in, this jury said he s not guilty, that s fine. flash forward to trayvon martin, i m a minority after 9/11. i had a vested interest. when that verdict came out i was organically angry at the verdict because things had changed for me. there was i don t want to leave this for a second. we talk about the social ....

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20140615:15:09:00

Batterer, we get to see all kinds of things on the internal part of his life and i m wondering if it actually generates a hunger then. because our world now is knowing all the dirt, knowing all of the everything of one another. do you think, clearly it follows the o.j. case but is it causal? maybe so. i continue to cover trials around the country for 19 years after that trial, and i did see changes in the courtroom. first of all, cameras didn t cause the spectacle. it was who o.j. was. we got a little bit jaded as americans, got a little more used to the justice system. while there was always an appetite to see a trial unfolding it was never the same. maybe when michael jackson was tried for child molestation there was a zoo outside the courtroom, tent city, but no cameras in the courtroom. so i did see more sophistication among viewers, cynicism also about the system, but cameras did not cause that. let me ask, because i like this idea. ....

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