thank you, really appreciate it. joining our discussion, now alex, wagner cohosted executive producer of sort times a circus, she s writer at the atlantic, always with us julia maxwell, host of the program zerlina, that airs on peacock. and i just want to hand this over to both of, you i m kind of speechless at the moment. zerlina go ahead. that was really hard to listen to lawrence, because i feel in my heart, we are all living through a pandemic, and nobody is really done this before, and so we are all sort of flailing about, in can we just be a little bit nicer in kinder to each other, in unfortunately what has happened, is we ve lived through four years of a presidency where so much bad behavior was normalized, racism, inside, jimmy homophobia, bullying, and so nobody, is raising their kids to behave in this way, the way adults are behaving, in some of these school board meetings, and across the
career, and they know that no matter what spin comes out of the white house if they vote for somebody who s going to change precedent it could be a career-ending move. susan, i m trying to figure out how the democratic base we ve heard in the clips there, we heard zerlina go through the issues that most animate the democratic base now, and i think it s logical to assume are going to lead the vast majority of senate democrats to vote against this. but then you ve got that group of democrats, and you were mentioning them before. joe manchin in west virginia. donnalley in indiana. heitkamp in north dakota. the incentives, the political incentives for them might work differently. well, that s true. and they may also realize it s an interesting problem for those democrats. because yes, they want to keep their jobs. but they re also supposed to represent their constituency. many of the ones you just mentioned are red states that donald trump won. so that will be that s also something