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return for the 2016 dnc server and burisma investigation. when you heard burisma, you didn t see it as code for biden, the bidens? i did not. when did you know that. your testimony saying that burisma included the biden s when the readout came out. my testimony wasn t specific with regards to the date. september? i don t recall the date. if i told you that the legal definition of bribery was an event of offering, giving, soliciting or receiving of any item of value and the means of influencing an action of an individual holding a public or legal duty. do you believe that not only was it quid pro quo but it was bribery. not a lawyer and i m not going to characterize what something was or wasn t legally. you also said in your opening statement that secretary perry and yourself, as well as ambassador volker worked with giuliani on the ukraine matter, and express direction of the president. is that right? you also go on to say that we did not want to work with gi ....
That apparently there was a meeting with rudy giuliani and the message you got was underscored, very concerned about what lutsenko told them, that according to rg, rudy giuliani, the z-potus meeting will not happen. it s not condition. it s just not going to happen. your understanding of the difference. i think what you re saying is this meeting i was talking about in my opening statement was apparently a meeting rudy giuliani was having at the same time in ukraine. unbeknownst to us. but he is saying something different. he is saying it s not going to happen. there s no notice and hear that it s conditioned in any way. well, that was ambassador volker s point. this was an exchange with ambassador taylor and ambassador volker ambassador volker. ambassador volker is saying don t let other people speak for the u.s. government. that was his point. but if rudy is following the directions and he saying what he saying here, and you re also ....