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Did do that and it was evidence to find that they didn t change what they were otherwise going to do in a normal investigation. so are there people involved here who didn t like the president? yes. that doesn t necessarily from a legal standpoint invalidate the investigation itself. harris: so these revelations are being called explosive. what category would you put it in, and i see you nodding, why? i m nodding because i understand why those on the side of defending the president or wanting to criticize the fbi would call them explosive. and certainly, any connection at all to the dnc for the clinton campaign is going to raise eyebrows. i don t know if i personally would call it explosive for the reason that i just said. i don t think it s all that extraordinary to find out that the person who originally gave the dirt on the target of this investigation was someone who ....
Could become a subject and need a lawyer himself, joyce? so, i don t think that we can rule that out. the timing of his departure on the heels of the news that he had dangled those pardons is certainly one piece of evidence from which you could conclude he had been told that there were problems coming down the road. the origin of that problem is that the pardon process is something and, nicolle, i m sure you know this. you expect to see that process initiated someplace along the spectrum between the justice department and the counsel s office issuing pardons. you don t expect to see that happening with a lawyer in private practice who represents the president. it looks like the quintessential bribe. and i m sure that mueller s team will take a good hard look at dowd, whether or not he becomes a subject in the investigation, it s really not even possible to speculate. frank figliuzzi, our viewers can t see you nodding, but i can. go ahead. there is some irony developing here whi ....
Just trying to poke the lion to roar. then when he roars he may say things that are not in his best interest. sara, quickly, last word. i m hearing you nodding. yes you agree? absolutely i agree, avenatti is playing trump s game very well and he has so far. one of the things that came out yesterday with the photograph, the polygraph and her polygraph results, why? polygraph tests are not admissible in a trial. i think the idea is that he s setting the stage for the interview with anderson cooper this sunday is, look, the american people, the world needs to know that my client is going to tell the truth. so, listen to her, because it is the truth. he says he has video of it, too. whoo! photos. not sure i want to see them. i wish i looked that good taking a poly. sara and ashleigh, we ll save that conversation for commercial break. do not miss anderson cooper s ....
This in terms of what the spirit of the hatch act here. is this using your government after to get somebody elected or somebody defeated or is this an interview where you re advocating for the same position of the president of the united states. i would argue that if what they have here will two interviews, that s thin rule. i see you nodding, adrian. the hatch act is sometimes kind it s a gray act in so many respects. the real question is, was she doing something on taxpayer payroll. was she doing something while she was getting paid by federal taxpayer dollars. so the question is, was she doing this in her personal time or in her personal capacity or was she doing this on government time. if she was doing this on government time, that is where red flags are raised. how do you know the difference? everybody is 24/7 right now. now that you just lost another communications director, everybody is working 24/7. so the fair question is, when does when do those things start and be ....
Gotten very muddled the in the last few weeks, and there s actually republicans that seem to be encouraging this kind of behavior with the president and i think they re playing with fire as they go down that road in terms of what it might mean for the 2018 election. i see you nodding, david swerdlick. yeah, i think ron is right on point here. look, the president had a narrative going for the early part of this year, which is move on, nothing to see here. we got the manafort indictment, then we got the flynn plea. and that narrative went away for them. when you read this tweet, you re lack looking he s looking for a hook. it s very specific. the dossier is unverified. we know that it s not all verified. but it s not all unverified. the president is fishing for a way to get back to the idea that this is closed, game over, nothing to see here, and he hasn t found it yet. i realize the word fact is a four-letter word, but we have four indictments so far. four indictments. two ....