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Compel answers to the questions he s refused to answer, the fact that he alluded to or talked about certain conversations may undermine the white house s assertion of a broad claim of privilege there. it may not, but it really might. and, paul butler, how would you use someone like steve bannon as a witness? if you re trying to get to the bottom of what other people did, maybe even the president, of what the president knew and when he knew it, around certain issues that we now know to be of interest to bob mueller, like the crafting of that false statement aboard air force one, like the firing of jim comey, how would you use someone like steve bannon as a witness? well, you make them know that it s not a big deal that he s talking to not to the grand jury, but to the investigators. it s a different crime to lie to the fbi than it is to lie before a grand jury. but you go to the same jail if you do it. so, that s a lot of pressure. ....
Steve bannon blames for making that decision is jared kushner. that s absolutely right, nicole. and, so, that is presumed to be one of his values as a witness, is and he may only be a hearsay value. he may have only heard about things kushner was doing. one of the lines mueller is pursuing is what meetings kushner was having during the transition and bannon may have information about that. and i think paul really nailed it. you know, i ve always presumed that bannon s chief value as a witness is his answer to the sort of penultimate question of what did the president know and when did he know it. what did he know about did he dispatch mike flynn to go negotiate with the russian ambassador over sanctions? you know, the answers to those key questions, that s going to be his value and, you know, presumably he s got a lot to say on that subject, nicole. natasha, we talk more about the obstruction of justice line of the investigation because it s got more public facing t t tentacles ....