year. the question is will any actual testimony come forward at a time useful to the democrats for the impeachment process. will don mcgahn, the former white house counsel need to await legal appeals by the white house or justice department or potentially could he make a decision on his own, since he has been ordered to appear before the house of representatives by this u.s. district court judge, can he decide to obey what the judge ordered? he could. but my sense is having gone this far he will probably continue. there are a number of witnesses the last few weeks who defied the white house demand to testify. the state department officials, national security council officials, fiona hill and alex vindman, they testified even though the president said they
would say i want it public. i don t want it hidden. then the corroborating witnesses. we have christie, priebus. take a look at this other exchange about the attacks on mueller in the same interview. take a look. if you answer these questions to me now, why not anxious to rob mueller under oath? because they were looking to get us on lies or slight mistakes. i look at what happened to people and it was unfair. very unfair. very, very unfair. i gave them 1.5 million pages of documents. i gave them four or 500 witnesses. i let don mcgahn testify. i let him use the white house counsel. john? well, the trouble with this is his impulses are all wrong on
it by calling his lawyer a liar in testimony with the special counsel. what s privilege? if the core question is did mcgahn tell truth or lie about the request to get rid of mueller, and mcgahn has talked about it under oath in a report that s public. and the president is now just ripping him over it. what left is secret and privilege? i don t think anything. you re right. rolling it back, we have the president originally says, go up there and talk and he knows that they do it and he gets annoyed when he finds out how much they did. then his hand picked attorney general who basically was doing whatever trump wanted him to do. he approved the release of that information and now we have within hours the president himself accusing, not just accusing mcgahn of lying but also, disclosing the conversations. as he says it is which very few of us believe. if i was mcgahn s lawyer, he s been up there testifying and i
russia is doing this. stop. the die has been cast here. this was about the political play. the political play. if you want to be skeptical, you could look at that and say that s joe biden. he s a democrat. he s criticizing mitch mcconnell. but what he said is that he was speaking as the vice president. that there was a security level to this. it was about protecting the election regardless of what happened. many thought trump would lose any way and mitch mcconnell for his own political reasons, didn t want the election as protected as possible. a chilling thought and one we ll stay on. when we come back, a different story may undermine his own attempt to assert executive privilege against don mcgahn. we ll be back in 30 seconds we ll be back in 30 second incomparable design makes it beautiful.
i was never going to fire mueller. i never suggested firing mueller. i don t care what he says. that was to show everyone what a good counsel he was. but we had why he would lie under oath? because he wanted to make himself look like good lawyer. or, or he believed it because i would constantly tell anybody that would listen, including you, including the media, that rob mueller was conflicted. robert mueller had a total the important part there is the president trashing his own counsel mcgahn and alleging a crime. alleging that mcgahn lied under oath to mueller. here s a question. at what point does mr. don mcgahn who has a career and a life and a life after the trump era, at what point does he say, maybe i don t need to continue to try to keep trump s secrets and fight the house under claim of executive privilege. this isn t just any witness.