any time that we can reduce pollution from power plants, those benefits are real. any time we can prevent even one asthma attack for one family, for one child, that s one less trip to the emergency room. it s one less missed day of school. and it s a wonderful, wonderful policy that s in place to protect our air. the bottom line is, pollution from power plants kills. and the clean power plan is going to save lives. period. laura kellogg, mother of three children with severe asthma and a volunteer with the american lung association thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us. thank you, chris. also joining me now, christie todd whitman who man the e.p.a. under george w. bush from 2001 to 2003, she wrote an op ed titled how not to run the e.p.a. we will get to that in a moment. what s your take on the roll