myths. there are still people living in these areas either because they choose to, either because they have no choice, but they are there and these are very much civilian targets, anderson. that s a really important point you make because russian authorities will say well, you know, either we re not targeting civilian structures, we don t hit residential areas. either ukrainian nationalist forces which is what they call basically all the ukrainian military, was using that to launch attacks and therefore it s a target, or this was done by the ukrainians themselves to make the russians look bad. reporter: and this is the playbook they have been using for such a long time, anderson. i mean we saw it in syria, i saw it on the ground myself. you would see them hitting hospitals, fruit markets, schools, and always you would hear the same language coming back. we re targeting terrorists. this is an antiterrorism