credibility is taking another blow here. he s good at going out in public and speaking and saying, there s nothing here, of course not. remember, he went out and did that for the question of whether mike flynn had conversations with the russian ambassador before the inauguration, about relaxing sanctions. and that turned out to be false, too. supposedly, he just didn t know at the time. so i think the next time the vice president is trotted out to reassure us, there s nothing to look at here, folks, we are taking that with a grain of salt and it is the way to do it. and it may be that he really wasn t loop in on any of this. that s the argument that the white house would make. danny, let me turn back to you on that point. the vice president, other officials, very clear, look, there was no coordination. and donald trump jr. really downplayed this whole story. he said, look, there were three measly interactions. and they weren t significant. i mean, does he have a point in that regard?