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It was not in any record i july 25th call. And this is consistent with the reported comments from received. But when you did see. Ambassadors volker and taylor. After the zelensky meeting, i yes, i saw that in september, also met with zelenskys senior correct. So on this continuum, the aide, andre yermak. Beginning of the continuum begins on may 23rd when the president instructs you to talk I Dont Recall the specifics of our conversation, but i believe the issue of investigations was to rudy . Correct. And you understood that as a probably a part of that agenda direction by the president that you needed to satisfy the or meeting. Concerns that Rudy Giuliani would express to you about what also, on july 26th, shortly the president wanted in ukraine . After our kiev meetings, i spoke not to me. By phone with President Trump ....
that s correct. now, i m going to move ahead in time to the end of august and early september when you came to believe, i believe as you testified, that it wasn t just the white house meeting that was contingent on the announcement of these investigations, that the president wanted, but security assistance as well. you testified that in the absence of any credible explanation for the hold on security assistance, you came to the conclusion that, like the white house visit, the aid was continued on the investigations that president trump wanted. is that what you said in your opening statement? it is. so let me break this down with you. by this time you and many top officials knew that that coveted white house meeting for president zelensky was conditioned on these investigations, right? the announcement of the investigations, correct. thank you. and that includes secretary pompeo, right? many people. ....
To him that you were concerned that the delay in the aid was tied to the issue in the investigations, is that right? i don t know exactly what i said to him. this was a briefing attended by many people and i was invited at the very last minute. i wasn t scheduled to be there. but i think i spoke up at some point late in the meeting and said it looks like everything is being held up until these statements get made and that s my you know, my personal belief. and vice president pence just nodded his head? again, i don t recall any exchange or he asked me any questions. i think it was sort of a duly noted well, he didn t say gordon, what are you talking about? no. he didn t say what investigations? he did not. now, after this meeting you discussed this pull-aside you had with mr. yermak where you ....
However, i have no recollection you have no reason to believe of discussing vice president that mr. holmes would make that biden or his son on that call or up, if that s what he recalls after the call ended. you saying? you have no reason to question i know that members of this that, do you? i do not recall saying biden. committee frequently frame these i never recall saying biden. complicated issues in the form but the rest of mr. holmes of a simple question, was there recollection is consistent with your own? a quid pro quo. well, i can t testify as to as i testified previously, with what mr. holmes might or might not have heard through the regard to the requested white house call and the white house phone. i don t know how he heard the meeting, the answer is yes. conversation. are you familiar with his testimony? vaguely, yes. and the only exception you mr. giuliani conveyed to take is to the mention of the secretary perry, ambassador name biden? volker and others tha ....
The openness subject, including went to speak with yermak and you told him similarly that in specifics next week, all of which referred to the 2016 and order to release the military assistance, they were going to the burisma. have to publicly announce these ms. kenna replied, gordon, i ll investigations? yeah, much has been made of that meeting. and it really wasn t a meeting. pass to the secretary, thank what happened was everyone got up after the bilateral meeting you. again, everyone was in the loop. between president zelensky and vice president pence and people get up and mill around and shake curiously, and this was very hands, and i don t know if i interesting to me, on august came over to yermak or he came over to me. but he said, you know, what s going on here, and i said i 26th, shortly before his visit don t know. it might all be tied together to kiev, ambassador bolton s now. you know, i have no idea. i was presuming that it was. but it was a very short office requested mr ....