you re to be kind even through the most brutal acts of prepresentation and in the face of complete political defeat. when the world is greedy, you are generous. when the world is cruel, you are kind. when the world is fearful, you are faithful. when the world is proud, you are humble. how do you know we re christian? by our love. yes, we say. yes to all of this. right until the moment when we think our kindness, our faithfulness, or our humility carries with it a concrete political cost. we think we know what s just, and we can t do justice without power. so in our arrogance, we think we know better than god. we can t let kindness or humility stand in the way of justice, yet, we re sowing the wind and we rear the whirlwind. the world s most christian advanced nation is tearing itself apart, and its millions of believers bear much of the blame. in 2016 and 17, david, i know you heard this, when you d can about donald trump, how can you support a man who is so cruel, profane, and says o
packing up boxes, as we heard from your new york times colleague katie benner, of classified documents and taking them to the basement at mar-a-lago. first of all, let s address that issue. what hillary clinton did with her server was potentially unethical. but that is not the same as potentially committing a crime by refusing to hand over documents that belong to the american people, that contain potentially nuclear secrets of the united states. despite knowing better. god knows who had access to the documents, what the former president may have done with the douments in the interim. we need a full investigation there. it is not the same thing. i want to pull back, though, and i think what david is talking about is really important. there is a playbook here. it is important that we recognize that, rather than kind of taking on the substance of the republican arguments, when there really isn t substance to
here, we have a maga movement that is proclaiming some sort of national emergency. it is nothing on the scale of jim crow. it s not within shouting distance of that. yet, they have utterly abandoned, in many ways, even the most basic requirements of human decency. again, in their interactions with each other, interactions with political opponent, in their interactions with truth. this is turning that christian political ethic utterly upside down. i wanted to ask you a question. you know, there are scholars, like dumez in michigan, who argue the white evangelical movement is actually, at this point, more a social and political movement than a religious one, focused on a warrior god that is nationalist. what do you make of that argument here, and how useful do you think it could be? yeah, i think she s on to
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