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Ahead, in fact, by a larger margin than he was five years ago, so hopefully the people to have france will deliver the verdict that not only the french but the rest of the world needs. i take the ambassador s point. it also shows you how tenuous these alliances are. that as we are having this conversation, there are still many elements that are in flux. look, in terms of ukraine and la pen, you know, the russians deny, you know, these atrocities. and what s interesting is that this is the same playbook that we saw in the war in bosnia. you know, there were shelling of marketplaces in sarajevo and the serbs with russian backing that were put out there, or that the bosnian muslims had fired these shells, and that s false. the difference now is that we re in digital age, that misinformation can spread to france, lies that russia isn t ....
Know, that president zelenskyy has called out, by name- the prime minister, viktor orban, when he is just saying don t you understand what is happening here? look at mariupol. look at everywhere. they just don t budge, though. they have their own view of what they are doing, and they say, hey, we were just re-elected resoundingly. the people want us to be doing what we re doing. you know, you and i have talked about this a little bit. you covered the the war in bosnia and the siege of sarajevo for years. just being there, does it bring back memories of that time? i mean, you think about the people killed on the bread line several weeks ago. i mean, how many times were there people killed on lines, you know, waiting to pump water or at the marketplace in sarajevo? yeah. absolutely. and you know, this week, it s 30 years since the siege of sarajevo began. 30 years ago, it was the longest siege in modern history and it was aggressors in the mountains firing and sniping and shelling ....
Using the air in the way that we see it here. we keep looking back at other pieces of hard evidence, whether it was syria or all of these players. and remember, and wesley clark knows this so well because he was right there, this is 30 years since bosnia. 30 years ago, this month, the siege and the war in bosnia started. it was the same kind of war. on a smaller scale. but exactly the same motivation. general clark said ethnic cleansing. that is what happened in bosnia. it is a political ideology that is fought on the back of civilians an that is what they do. some war crimes trials will be coming forward at least at some point. thanks you very much. just ahead, as we see more gruesome images from bucha, are world leaders more willing now to call it genocide. i ll ask the prime minister of norway for his take. he s standing by live. we ll be right back. ....
Iraq. buttigieg saying years in washington is not always the same thing as judgment. biden is now responding to this attack. what is he saying? biden did respond, it was surprising, that buttigieg did that this weekend, it s in the context of this biden versus buttigieg, judgment versus experience story line we re starting to see evolve here. and joe biden today talking to seacost online came back at buttigieg saying he would put his foreign policy record up against anyone. and talking about the breadth and depth of his experience. i put my foreign policy record against anybody in the country right now, i m the guy that led the fight to end the war in bosnia, take down slobodan milosevic. i m the guy that got past the chemng into ....
People. i covered the war in bosnia and sarajevo, which was the focus of a cease 300,000 people. everything is exponentially larger in ukraine. the un today, said there could be as many as 10 million refugees flooding in to europe. so, i see a continued slow siege and that s by war, but you re going to have a growing challenge of death by illness and starvation as well. and starvati of course, this s in the middle of a pandemic that has yet to be completely contained. joel, if putin really radically escalates attacks on civilians, which is hard to imagine given how barbaric his strategy has been so far. but if he radically escalates the violence, what tools to the west still have to punish him? and given the fact that we have spent so much currency already to impose these economic sanctions within the first two weeks? there still are many tools ....