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Approached ken cucinelli, who was second in command at department of homeland security at the time about seizing voting machines after the election and kuch nel kwli told him he didn t have that authority. cucinelli tells cnn his discussion with giuliani never developed to the point of talking specifically about an executive order. now, the house select committee is now looking into this effort to draft an executive order. how it began, and specifically the roles of giuliani, flynn, waldron, and former-trump attorney sidney powell. paula reid, i want you to day with us if you can. i want to bring in chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, former federal prosecutor. what do you make of this? i think it s worth pausing to consider what it would mean to have the federal government, especially the military, seize our voting machines. that is something that happened in south american dictatorships in the 1960s. you know, when when the party in power didn t like the outcome of an election ....
And michael steele is here, former rnc chairman. luke, i want to start with you and the reporting and ask you to piece together the significance of what ratcliffe offered waldron and how trump sought to seize that to operationalize the seizure by the national security agencies. yeah, sure. thank you. as the allies of donald trump and donald trump himself are trying to overturn the 2020 election, they need to have a veneer of legality to the efforts and can t just come in and seize voting machines for no reason. can t demand mike pence throw out legitimate votes and accept trump electors for no reason so they need a veneer of a reason. and what phil waldron down in ....
Approached ken cuccinelli, who was second in command at the department of homeland security at the time about seizing voting machines after the election and cuccinelli told him he didn t have that authority. now, cuccinelli tells cnn that his discussion with giuliani never developed to the point of talking, specifically, about an executive order. now, the house select committee is now looking into this effort to draft an executive order, how it began, and specific hi the roles of giuliani, flynn, waldron, and sidney powell. paula reid, stay with us if you can. i want to bring in our chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. former federal prosecutor. jeffrey, what do you make of this? well, i think it s just worth pausing to consider, you know, what it would mean to have the federal government, especially the military, seize our voting machines. this is something that happened in south american dictatorships in the 1960s. you know, when when the party in power didn t like the outcome ....
To paper to draft the eo, itself. now, trump s former-personal attorney, rudy giuliani, he was the one spearheading the efforts to challenge the election results. and we have learned that giuliani approached ken cuccinelli, who at the time was second in command at homeland security, about seizing voting machines after the election. and cuccinelli told him we don t have authority to do that. now, cuccinelli tells cnn his discussions with giuliani never developed to the point of talking specifically about an executive order. but now, we know the house select committee is looking into this effort to draft an executive order and how it began, including the rules of giuliani, flynn, waldron, and former-trump attorney sidney powell. paula, thank you for your reporting. i appreciate that. just imagine what would have happened if the former president had signed those executive orders, if voting machines had been seized. will the plot to overthrow our democracy have worked? you onlyr what you ....
To try to rope the department of defense and the department of homeland security into seizing voting machines in the states where donald trump lost and i m just wondering what your thoughts are as you hear about this plot. yeah, well, i wouldn t go so far as to call it a coup. perhaps it was an attempt at the start of a coup, but the definition of a coup, alisyn, is a violent overthrow of a government with control of all parts of the armed forces, the police and other military elements. they never had that. they had a couple of whack jobs in flynn and waldron and suggested this kind of operation, but in fact, you know, it was stopped within the pentagon. i don t know where it was stopped. you know, was it stopped at the civilian leadership or the military leadership? but i ll tell you, alisyn, as i said so many times on this program, the military will not follow illegal orders. this is, as john just said, this would have been an illegal order. if there was anyone in the civilian infr ....