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Described the climate crisis as a marxist conspiracy. it all added up to being very, very dismissive of science, of experts. that s what i think viviane viviane, that s what you re worried about? yes. yes, what she said. that s. but you contest this, all of what i quoted? yeah. why that? when you look into| the facts, isolate. but you seem to dismiss the facts, you didn t want research. no, not research, but it was you just gave an example. - the former president i of the brazilian institute for research, he was not fired because of the numbers. - he was fired because he was leaking information to the press before - presenting officially the information. . but president bolsonaro said he said when he gave figures for record high levels of deforestation, president bolsonaro said those are lies. no, he didn t say exactly that. what he said was it was not - the record, the highest number of deforestation was not ....
What makes people not relying even in democracy institution, democratic institutions, and so we break up kind of the pact that makes us a society, so that s serious. and viviane s question underlines that the former administration does have something to answer for. and if i can say you yourself, ricardo salles, you had to resign in 2021 as the environment minister because you were under investigations for regarding that you obstructed a police probe into illegal logging, and there was that video, which i m sure many in the audience yes, your eyes are going up they saw that video where you were telling the former administration, let s exploit the pandemic, people are preoccupied by it, and we can push through some environmental deregulation. it reinforced this idea that, you know, to put it bluntly, stuff the science the science doesn t matter. well, listen, in regard i to the minister meeting ....
It all added up to being very, very dismissive of science, of experts. that s what i think viviane viviane, that s what you re worried about? yes. yes, what she said. that s. but you contest this, all of what i quoted? yeah. why that? when you look into| the facts, isolate. but you seem to dismiss the facts, you didn t want research. no, not research, but it was you just gave an example. - the former president i of the brazilian institute for research, he was not fired because of the numbers. - he was fired because he was leaking information to the press before - presenting officially the information. . but president bolsonaro said he said when he gave figures for record high levels of deforestation, president bolsonaro said those are lies. no, he didn t say exactly that. what he said was it was not - the record, the highest number of deforestation was not during bolsonaro term. i the highest number of- ....
If we don t tackle disinformation, we are actually eroding trust in our institutions, what makes people not relying even in democracy institution, democratic institutions, and so we break up kind of the pact that makes us a society, so that s serious. and viviane s question underlines that the former administration does have something to answer for. and if i can say you yourself, ricardo salles, you had to resign in 2021 as the environment minister because you were under investigations for regarding that you obstructed a police probe into illegal logging, and there was that video, which i m sure many in the audience yes, your eyes are going up they saw that video where you were telling the former administration, let s exploit the pandemic, people are preoccupied by it, and we can push through some environmental deregulation. it reinforced this idea that, you know, to put it bluntly, stuff the science the science doesn t matter. ....
Regulations that should be reduced, rationalised and other things, - and what i said at that ministry was let s take advantage - on the fact that we can do things . without passing in congress at that time, because at that time, - we had a president of the chamber completely against the government. so, therefore, everything - that we tried to pass in congress were not be approved. yes, but i think viviane s viviane s question is different, and it was that if you look at the record, that you cut the funding, the university funding into science and agriculture, research linked to agribusiness, you president bolsonaro fired the head of the space research agency when he didn t like the figures on deforestation, the formerforeign minister described the climate crisis as a marxist conspiracy. it all added up to being very, very dismissive of science, of experts. that s what i think viviane viviane, that s what you re worried about? ....