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Long. that s why you really need a president to stick to a goal and then let congress fund it, not waver. leland: there is an irony here because you will know and people who are fans of the space program know that 50 years ago after president kennedy issued his challenge to put a man on the moon not because it is easy, but because it is hard, there was huge debate about whether to blast off from then cape kennedy and go right to moon or whether to have a lunar lander that was going to go around there and left. and that debate went on for a very long time much like this debate now, moon, versus mars. kristin: it is a debate that has raged on for decades, and it has divided the apollo 11 astronauts, even my parents, they re on opposite sides leland: pretty cool that you talked to vice president yesterday, but kristin had another interview yesterday. do we have pictures? it divided your parents? kristin: my dad thinks we should go straight to mars, my mom ....