accountable, and if you don t do that, you get weak states, which then, in their work with the private sector, can become easily captured because itjust becomes about being business friendly. we re almost out of time. i want to end by asking you, do you think we are heading in the right direction? not long ago, i had john kerry sitting in that chair, the special us representative on climate change. he said, things are extraordinarily difficult, but fundamentally, i m optimistic we can still get there with governments working together . do you believe that? because it s the ultimate mission right now, isn t it? i definitely believe that, and that s why i wrote the book. i don t think there s anything deterministic in the system that makes it that we have to have overly financialised businesses, overly bureaucratic governments. i believe that all these things are fruits of choices that have been made. we need now very different choices in intraorganisational governance, both in business
the bbc in what it does. we don t have equivalent metrics of public value or public purpose in many public organisations. so the bigger question, and this is why i ve set up a whole institute at university college about this, if public purpose is the goal, if we have missions that are societal in nature, you know, around the sustainable development goals, what are the metrics we need that go beyond cost benefit analysis, net present value, that actually capture these dynamic spill overs across the economy that the moon landing had.? but how does the state itself like, we need to hold it accountable, and if you don t do that, you get weak states, which then, in their work with the private sector, can become easily captured because itjust becomes about being business friendly. we re almost out of time. i want to end by asking you, do you think we are heading in the right direction? not long ago, i had john kerry sitting in that chair, the special us representative on climate change. he
across the economy that the moon landing had.? but how does the state itself like, we need to hold it accountable, and if you don t do that, you get weak states, which then, in their work with the private sector, can become easily captured because itjust becomes about being business friendly. we re almost out of time. i want to end by asking you, do you think we are heading in the right direction? not long ago, i had john kerry sitting in that chair, the special us representative on climate change. he said, things are extraordinarily difficult, but fundamentally, i m optimistic we can still get there with governments working together . do you believe that? because it s the ultimate mission right now, isn t it? i definitely believe that, and that s why i wrote the book. i don t think there s anything deterministic in the system that makes it that we have to have overly financialised businesses, overly bureaucratic governments. i believe that all these things are fruits of choices tha
so the bigger question and this is why i ve set up a whole institute at university college about this if public purpose is the goal, if we have missions that are societal in nature, you know, around the sustainable development goals, what are the metrics we need that go beyond cost benefit analysis, net present value, that actually capture these dynamic spill overs across the economy that the moon landing had.? but how does the state itself like, we need to hold it accountable, and if you don t do that, you get weak states, which then, in their work with the private sector, can become easily captured because itjust becomes about being business friendly. we re almost out of time. i want to end by asking you, do you think we are heading in the right direction? not long ago, i had john kerry sitting in that chair, the special us representative on climate change. he said, things are extraordinarily difficult, but fundamentally, i m optimistic we can still get there with governments