source to materially change the outcome of this election, those people should be in jail for the rest of their lives. we ll get to our team of reporters in just a moment. but first, let s bring in paul fishman, a former u.s. attorney for the district of new jersey and a former federal prosecutor. paul, with thanthanks for being. always a pleasure, katy. when you looked at reporting for the subpoena and saw the president s name on it, what was your reaction? so, i m not really surprised. and here s why i m not surprised, katy. i think what a lot of people don t understand is that the only way for bob mueller and the prosecutors and agents with whom he s working to get information, to get physical documents, e-mails, notes that people took, whatever pieces of paper that they have in their houses or their offices is with a grand jury subpoena. they can call people up and say, will you give it to us? but people have the right to say no. and the only compulsory process to collect do
memo out of the way and most of the interviews that we believe will be scheduled out of the way, they re going to try to wrap this up. they ve been saying they want to do that, at least, republicans, for at least a couple of months. but now based on how hicks goes today, they might be ready to actually do that. nbc s mike memoli and the washington post phil rucker, thank you very much. also thank you to hallie jackson in the white house press briefing room. let s go to paul fishman, a former u.s. attorney for the district of new jersey and a former federal prosecutor. paul, it s great to see you, thank you for being here. thanks for having me on. it s interesting that republicans are already writing their report, even before they get to somebody as important and crucial as hope hicks. that kind of says all you need to know about the house intel investigation. well, it s certainly not the way prosecutors investigate things, right? yeah. and you ve certainly seen that from
going to see in those materials. fbi, department of justice would have had to have had compelling evidence of potential criminal activity for them to conduct this type of surveillance against an individual who has worked closely with mr. trump over the course of many years. what do you think is going to happen with michael cohen? i think michael cohen is in a lot of trouble. while we monitor what s happening inside that courtroom, let s bring in our reporters and analysts. nbc s jeff bennett at the white house. danny savalos, criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst. jonathan lamier, an msnbc political analyst. paul fishman, former u.s. attorney for the district of new jersey. danny, how rare is it for the president s legal team to say, hey, no, the president of the united states, y should look atl these materials first before investigators get hold of them? to use a legal term, it is